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Stage 3

The Danes get their win, the Norwegians take the GC... seems fair (It's not  :angry)





Write up and video highlights here

Still love this race ;)
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    We may or may not have skipped a few U23 races in this thread, I've lost sight of it a bit.

    But today we'll see the start of the first bike race in my new hometown, the U23 Tour de Berlin!
    Held for the 65th time, this nice little race consists of five stages on four days.

    Tonight there'll be a 6.3 km TTT on the Kurfürstendamm, three 2.1 km laps with one of the turning points at the Kaiser-Wilhelm-Gedächtnis-Kirche.
    Tomorrow morning the race goes to the very west of Berlin for 121.6 km consisting of 16 laps around the Schäferberg (the closest to a mountain you'll get here), and on Sunday they trek to Baruth (approximately half-way between Berlin and Dresden) for a morning ITT (21.4 km) and an afternoon road stage (135.3 km).
    Finally, Monday sees a 151.2 km stage in Birkenwerder just north of Berlin, consisting of 12 laps with 1800 m of cobbles per lap.

    The startlist consists of 24 teams including many of the strongest U23 development teams, several Continental squads and two national teams.

    Biggest names are #seg Jakobsen, #trefor Würtz, #trefor Asgreen, #trefor Rahbek, #teamde Ackermann, #awt Bokeloh, #awt Schachmann, #awt Schreurs, #lkt Franz, #bmc Appelt[1], #bmc van Hooydonck, I would say.

    I'll be roadside for the TTT and the stages on Saturday and Monday, doing the odd update on Twitter (#TourdeBerlin) and hopefully collecting a couple of thoughts here each day.
     1. apparently not starting after all
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    The TTT was a great way to start this race: On the Kurfürstendamm in the middle of Berlin - I've lost count of the number of people who asked me just what was going on here (and I happily explained it to them).

    #bmc BMC Devo were the strongest over the 6.3 km, but only just: #awt Klein Constantia, #trefor Team TREFOR, and #teamca Team Race Clean all finished only one second behind.

    On the podium, #bmc Bas Tietema dedicated their win to Gijs Verdick. The Dutchman was scheduled to ride this race with #piels Cyclingteam Jo Piels, but passed away at the start of the week after a heart attack at the Carpathian Couriers Race and was being laid to rest today. #piels understandably pulled out of the race.

    Pre-race favourite #trefor Mads Würtz suffered some sort of bad luck and apparently finished way behind his teammates - he's listed as dead last on GC now. Time will tell if he has fire in his belly and takes his revenge on the coming days was registered as having lost over two minutes on the TTT, but he didn't.

    Result:
    1 #bmc BMC Development Team 7:23
    2 #awt Klein Constantia 7:24
    3 #trefor Team TREFOR 7:24
    4 *ca Team Race Clean 7:24
    5 #kuota Team Kuota - Lotto 7:28
    6 #seg SEG Racing Academy 7:29
    7 #soigneur Team Soigneur - Copenhagen Pro Cycling 7:35
    8 *de P&S Team Thüringen 7:36
    9 *be Baguet - MIBA - Indulek - Derito 7:37
    10 #teamde German National Team 7:38
    11 #colorcode Color Code - Arden Beef 7:38
    12 #heizomat Team Heizomat 7:38
    13 #lkt LKT Team Brandenburg 7:39
    14 *de KED Stevens Radteam Berlin 7:40
    15 #teamch Swiss National Team 7:40
    16 *nl NWVG Fila Nijwa Trucks 7:43
    17 *de Matrix Racing Team 7:45
    18 *de LV Berlin 7:54
    19 *de Team Sauerland NRW p/b Henley & Partners 7:57
    20 *de Cyclingteam Sachsen 8:01
    21 #wsa WSA - Greenlife 8:07
    22 *de Fachklinik Dr. Herzog 8:21

    The race continues tomorrow at 8 am (that's in less than 10 hours) with a 16-lap, 121.6 km road stage. The finishing straight is uphill, so it won't be a straightforward affair.
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    Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
    « Reply #33 on: September 15, 2016, 19:09 »


    Who knows if he'll make it big, but the latest Estonian on the Pro Immo Nicolas Roux talent conveyor belt, Karl Patrick Lauk, is racking up the low level French wins recently.

    http://www.directvelo.com/coureur/15027/karl-patrick-lauk



    He's from Saaremaa, the same as Raim. He's got a long way to go anyway, but let's hope Pro Immo Nicolas Roux's potential relegation from D1 doesn't blunt his progress.
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    Hey I just realised that Jasper Philipsen won the Tryptich Mounts & Castle.  :cool


    If you remember Jasper was the victim of Qatar heat at the Worlds : http://velorooms.com/index.php?topic=7581.msg2221306#msg2221306


    The Tryptich is probably the best Belgian stage race for U23 & amateur riders. Let's remember that its main climb is the Côte du Beau site, probably the second hardest climb in the Flemish Ardennes to the Koppenberg only it's in Wallonia (but just beyond the laguage border and in the region that is historically Flemish). A cobbled climb with no dend after the top and with no gutter to "cheat" on the climb. ItIt was formerly on the route of Dwars door Vlaanderen when the latter race was still called Dwars door België (good ole days).


    Jasper is really a very good ITT talent from Limburg. I hope he can evolve. :)
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  • "Paris-Roubaix is the biggest cycling race in the world, bigger than the Tour de France, bigger than any other bike race" (Sir Bradley Wiggins)

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    Philipsen second at the U23 Ronde today behind Eddie Dunbar  #axeon who came second to Philipsen in the Tryptique des Monts et Chateaux. Philipsen looks like a big cobbled talent. Dunbar however is a climber and one of the least likely looking guys to suddenly turn out to be great on the cobbles.

    As of a year ago I'd have said that Dunbar was a prospective JRod or Pozzovivo kind of espoir. Since then he's won the Irish U23 TT, got a top 5 in the U23 Euro TT, a top 10 in the worlds U23 TT, came second at the Tryptique M et C and won the U23 Ronde. Thereby proving that I know nothing about this stupid sport.
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    Philipsen second at the U23 Ronde today behind Eddie Dunbar  #axeon who came second to Philipsen in the Tryptique des Monts et Chateaux. Philipsen looks like a big cobbled talent. Dunbar however is a climber and one of the least likely looking guys to suddenly turn out to be great on the cobbles.

    As of a year ago I'd have said that Dunbar was a prospective JRod or Pozzovivo kind of espoir. Since then he's won the Irish U23 TT, got a top 5 in the U23 Euro TT, a top 10 in the worlds U23 TT, came second at the Tryptique M et C and won the U23 Ronde. Thereby proving that I know nothing about this stupid sport.

    I don't think it shows you nothing about this sport. I think its more a case of when they are U23 and especially juniors they still arent really specialising in a way they will probably have to do when they start riding pro/senior races.

    I always think Junior/U23 results give a guide to who should be a good rider in the future not necessarily what type of rider. Kittel was a double junior TT world champ but developed into a sprinter and Popovych winning the U23 Roubaix and then going on to 3 or 4 GT top 10's are a couple of examples of big wins when younger in a different area they excelled at later.
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    I don't think it shows you nothing about this sport. I think its more a case of when they are U23 and especially juniors they still arent really specialising in a way they will probably have to do when they start riding pro/senior races.

    I always think Junior/U23 results give a guide to who should be a good rider in the future not necessarily what type of rider. Kittel was a double junior TT world champ but developed into a sprinter and Popovych winning the U23 Roubaix and then going on to 3 or 4 GT top 10's are a couple of examples of big wins when younger in a different area they excelled at later.

    I agree entirely about the relative lack of specialisation in age group races and that many riders grow up to have a very different focus than the one they appeared most likely to develop.

    But in Dunbar's case the issue isn't so much that he says he's a climber, although he does, or that he was the outstanding climber among Irish or British juniors, although he was. It's that he weighs around 55kg. That really isn't a very likely physique for a guy producing those results.
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    In order to second Carlo's post I remember discovering Robert Gesink when he was European TT champion as a junior. When he turned pro, I didn't see his first results immediately and was told he rather was a climber. I said what? Also Marc De Maar won the Classique des Alpes as a U23 but as a pro if ever there's a style of races he was a specialist at is the cobbles. Dumoulin was not really a Time Trialist in the youth categories either, I think. So I agree with Carlo, those races are good to notice the best riders but not really the type of races they would be good at as pros.
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    Who knows if he'll make it big, but the latest Estonian on the Pro Immo Nicolas Roux talent conveyor belt, Karl Patrick Lauk, is racking up the low level French wins recently.

    Just won stage one of the Tour of Estonia.  :cool
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    http://www.axeoncycling.com/news/costa_loa

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    Axeon Hagens Berman Cycling Team announced today that Adrien Costa will take a break from competitive cycling for the remainder of the 2017 season.

    The California native, who is one of the sport's most promising young talents, has cited fatigue as the reason behind the hiatus, explaining that at just 19 years of age, he wants to make sure that he doesn't rush his development.

    “This was an incredibly tough decision for me to make, but for my personal development I think it's the best option. I want to take time to do other things that I've always been passionate about and finding a new balance between the sport I love and the rest of my life."

    I had been thinking that the death of Chad Young might have had something to do with his absence from the racing scene. Still could be.

    Anyway even with today's news, it still feels like we're not hearing the whole story, but it's not really our place to pry. So hopefully he'll find what it is he's searching for.
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    http://www.axeoncycling.com/news/costa_loa
    Chad Young, team press officer Sean Weide ... and Costa is still only 19.
    Losing two people you've been working closely with - and that you probably considered friends - within such a short period of time would be hard on anyone.

    The fatigue he cites may not be the whole story, nor may the deaths of two team members.
    But like you say, it's not our place. He decided to take a break and not rush anything, and that sounds like the completely right decision to me.

    It is only a sport, after all.
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    https://twitter.com/WillElliott25/status/894248776092831744

    https://twitter.com/TeamRaceClean/status/894208776571674631

    He's in his last year with Team Race Clean as he ages out, so a performance like this could help get him a contract for 2018 and beyond.
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    He's in his last year with Team Race Clean as he ages out, so a performance like this could help get him a contract for 2018 and beyond.
    I've heard that #academy are not beyond looking on the Canadian market ... ;)
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    http://www.directvelo.com/actualite/60815/coupe-des-nations-les-reserves-pros-invitees-en-2018

    WT Devo teams in the Coupe des Nations?

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    The Coupe des Nations Espoirs, launched in 2007 with the ambition of bringing national teams into opposition exclusively, has already undergone modifications and derogations, such as when teams of clubs and Continental competed in the Canadian round of Saguenay in 2013 or, When the World Cycling Center, which gathers riders of different nationalities, is engaged on tests. Since last year, the organizers of the Nations Cup have been allowed to invite regional teams.

    According to our sources, the peloton could now include Continental teams attached to World Tour groups, such as Dimension Data-Qhubeka or Development Team Sunweb.

    This change of rules is intended to maintain a high level of sport on the sleeves of the Nations Cup and to respond to the budgetary problems of many federations that no longer have the means to compete in all the events of the calendar.

    Final decision at the Worlds.
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    http://www.directvelo.com/actualite/60815/coupe-des-nations-les-reserves-pros-invitees-en-2018

    WT Devo teams in the Coupe des Nations?

    Final decision at the Worlds.

    Perhaps it is time to get rid of the Coupe des Nations and have it replaced by a more coherent set of .2U races throughout the season that National, Regional and Conti/Devo teams can all ride in.
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    Perhaps it is time to get rid of the Coupe des Nations and have it replaced by a more coherent set of .2U races throughout the season that National, Regional and Conti/Devo teams can all ride in.
    Hear, hear!

    The Nations Cup (on U23 level at least) has shrunk to no more than half a dozen races anyway; instead of reducing a Nations Cup to the absurdity of being contested by non-national teams, they should get rid of it altogether and establish a season-long U23 ranking based only on .2U races. The Tour de l'Avenir or Baby Giro could even be ranked as 2.1U if the UCI finds its long-lost never-had flexibility.

    It would just make much more sense ...
    ... so we know for sure it'll never happen. :fp
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    Another directvelo article talks about a proposed nations cup race in Cameroun. That sounds way cool but surely too expensive for many teams that were in l'Avenir.

    Season ranking sounds like a good idea but bigger races need to still be for national teams. As development teams channel wealth and investment to riders from the same few countries the result is the sport gets even more insular. Avenir with more trade development teams means no bielorussian and moroccan teams and even harder for riders from other nations to get noticed.
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    Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
    « Reply #48 on: November 22, 2017, 15:58 »
    https://twitter.com/FirstCycling/status/927493606360993792

    An interview with the future of Finnish cycling.
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    Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
    « Reply #49 on: December 13, 2017, 18:14 »
    For those of you who miss the U23 ramblings of Vlaanderen90 on Espoirs Central, salvation could be at hand.

    @U23CyclingZone

    He's only recently started up and with no races on at the moment, it's mainly interviews. Some of the folk that he has spoken to include Kanepejs, Abderrahim, Foss and Thijssen.

    @EspoirsWorld is another option.

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    Keeping an eye on these youngsters this year:

    Maikel Zijlaard *nl = good genes, it takes  #axeon's Merckx Jr to know one

    Marc Hirschi  *ch = tipped for years already, no surprise #sunweb has noticed

    Karl Patrick Lauk  *ee = surprise stagiaire at #astana last season, already doing well in France

    Mikkel Bjerg *dk = another #axeon scoop and future big

    Add any others you know.
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    Burgaudeau at Vendee U is a very obvious one. Already racking up some results in 2018. Watch out for him at Triptyque des Monts et Chateaux, Circuit des Ardennes and LBL U23s in April.

    Kippers at Bike Aid has already shown what he can do in Sharjah beating Rebellin. Sibiu awaits.

    Julius Johansen. A year behind Bjerg in development, but should still leave his mark in 2018. That still leaves five or six Danes for Fus to name.

    Javier Montoya did pretty well at Oro y Paz considering the big names there and the local teams wanting to shine. Put him up against some less developed lights at the mountainous Baby Giro, Aosta, l'Izard or Savoie Blanc and he could steal the show.
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    Burgaudeau at Vendee U is a very obvious one. Already racking up some results in 2018. Watch out for him at Triptyque des Monts et Chateaux, Circuit des Ardennes and LBL U23s in April.

    Kippers at Bike Aid has already shown what he can do in Sharjah beating Rebellin. Sibiu awaits.

    Julius Johansen. A year behind Bjerg in development, but should still leave his mark in 2018. That still leaves five or six Danes for Fus to name.

    Javier Montoya did pretty well at Oro y Paz considering the big names there and the local teams wanting to shine. Put him up against some less developed lights at the mountainous Baby Giro, Aosta, l'Izard or Savoie Blanc and he could steal the show.

    Nice picks, LB! I didn't include Burgaudeau because I felt he'd been "outed" already as a future big, but he does look like a shoo-in. Going to keep an eye on your others too.
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    Apart from a few of the more obvious picks who featured last season:

    Jacob Hennesy *gb #mbe   -  former  #wiggins , Gent-Wevelgem u23 winner last year and already has a top 10 in Dubai (ahead of Cav, Kittel, Degenkolb...) this year

    Ian Garrison  *us   #axeon  - Second behind Hennessy at G-W u23, 10th in Tour de Beauce and a decent TT

    Jacob Scott *gb #onepro - Couple of decent placings in Belgian 1.1 races last year and riding for One Pro so should get an opportunity to test himself in the UK races

    Remco Evenpoel *be - Still a junior but highly rated and heading to #axeon next year so will be interesting to keep tabs on him
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    I will see your picks and raise with a #unox Tobias Foss.  :shh
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    Some excellent and, to me at least, previously unknown picks here (who is this Foss kid, for example?), especially because the topic of U23 is not as well covered online as I would sometimes like.

    Too often it is only when the junior versions of the big Classics are decided that we hear about these kids until they burst through "from nowhere" at the Tour de l'Avenir.

    DirectVélo is an excellent source for the high-level French scene, where all the world seems to come to learn how to race in a climate rather less claustrophobic than the intense (and reportedly very Dark Side) Italian or the barely reported Spanish scenes. DV also covers Belgium, which is a great service for those of us hunting for updates about the kermissen and the semi-Classics.
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    Julius Johansen. A year behind Bjerg in development, but should still leave his mark in 2018. That still leaves five or six Danes for Fus to name.
    I think that while Julius Johansen will definitely make his mark this year, we shouldn't expect too much from him in his first U23 season. I'll happily let myself be surprised though.
    I expect more from Bjerg (who's already delivered) and Egholm for this season.

    My five or six Danes:
    1995:
    #virtu Kasper Asgreen: doesn't need an introduction. Definitely pro material, probably stayed with #virtu in the hope that the team will step up to at least ProConti next season. If they don't, he ought to look elsewhere - he absolutely has the potential for a pro contract at a foreign team.

    1996 (last U23 season):
    #coloquick Jonas Vingegaard: was stopped in his tracks by a broken leg in 2017, but is now back and will be a contender for the Tour de l'Avenir, with a pro contract for 2019 definitely possible
    #riwal Jonas Gregaard Wilsly: almost certain he'll get a pro contract for 2019, just has to figure out where he wants to sign
    #riwal Rasmus Bøgh Wallin: while not as far as Vingegaard or Gregaard yet, he's a versatile rider who won a UCI race last year. Raced the Tour of Denmark the past two years and should improve on his result there even more this year. Will probably have a hard time getting a pro contract with a non-Danish team, though, as he's just not very much on the teams' radars.

    1997:
    *dk Mathias Kjeldsmark Christiansen: Racing for Sydkysten Cycling (as far as I know) and working part-time as 'handelselev' (commerce/business apprentice??). No results to speak of so far, but apparently did some big riders in a training camp in January and impressed Kamp enough for him to say "I'll have to talk to Riis and Skelde". We'll see what comes of that. :shh

    1998:
    #virtu Jakob Egholm: junior #rainbow in Qatar, last season was a year where he could get used to the longer & harder races at elite level; after #roskilde folded, he was picked up by Riis & Skelde for #virtu

    There are even more U23 riders one could keep an eye on - #coloquick Price-Pejtersen, #coloquick Rodenberg, #coloquick Salby, #bornholm Hulgaard, #riwal Mathias Norsgaard Jørgensen (the brother of #bigla Emma), #riwal Kron, #riwal Stokbro, #riwal Søren Malling Siggaard (the brother of #virtu Christina), #virtu Honoré, #virtu Niklas Larsen, #virtu Jesper Schultz ...

    Some excellent and, to me at least, previously unknown picks here (who is this Foss kid, for example?), especially because the topic of U23 is not as well covered online as I would sometimes like.
    :o
    For real? Have you lived behind a rock last season? :P
    He's THE hot sh*t in Norwegian cycling. With #unox he will have pro-level support, and he can climb. Tour de l'Avenir battle vs. Vingegaard coming up.
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    So, last weekend saw the 187.5km Kattekoers U23 Gent-Wevelgem, the first round of the UCI Nations Cup, with most riders competing in national jerseys.

    Let's appraise ourselves of the Top 20, with bold formatting if we already tipped the rider above:

    1 JERMAN Žiga 4h39'44''
    2 STEWART Jake
    3 BURGAUDEAU Mathieu
    4 KRON Andreas Lorentz
    5 HONORÉ Mikkel Frølich
    6 AALRUST Håkon Lunder
    7 BENNETT Sean
    8 KANTER Max
    9 CULLAIGH Gabriel
    10 SCHINNAGEL Johannes
    11 PHILIPSEN Jasper
    12 BARBIER Pierre
    13 HIRSCHI Marc
    14 MALECKI Kamil
    15 KURIYANOV Stepan
    16 DE POORTER Maxime
    17 HORVAT Žiga
    18 STOKBRO NIELSEN Andreas
    19 GALVAN FERNANDEZ Francisco
    20 GUGLIELMI Simon

    ... All same time

    Well done, folks!

    Out of the above, Kanter and Philipsen definitely deserve to make the list too.

    Winner of a fairly reduced bunch sprint (or possibly a late flyer - I didn't see it) on the cobbles of Ieper/Ypres, Jerman from *si caught me unawares. Still only 19 and largely unknown in Western Europe, he performed well against a stacked field.

    Next round is this weekend's Ronde van Vlaanderen Beloften.

    Source: https://www.directvelo.com/actualite/64955/kattekoers-gand-wevelgem-classement (FR)

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    Winner of a fairly reduced bunch sprint (or possibly a late flyer - I didn't see it) on the cobbles of Ieper/Ypres

    The first seven were part of a break that went with ~40km to go. They just managed to avoid capture.
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    Out of the above, Kanter and Philipsen definitely deserve to make the list too.
    As Kanter is the German U23 champion racing for a WT devo squad, and Philipsen has actually turned pro already with #axeon, I wouldn't say they are so much 'riders to watch for their breakthrough' as they are 'riders who haven already broken through'. :P

    *de #tirol Johannes Schinnagel is also someone to watch. Has been with Austrian teams for all his U23 years, now (in his final U23 year) he's getting good results in UCI races too. Methinks that with their *at connection, #bora will be giving him a call sometime.
    *uk #wiggins Gabz Cullaigh has been at or near the top of the U23 scene for some years now, too, and he is a 1996 as well. The next #sky classics hardman?

    #virtu Kasper Asgreen: doesn't need an introduction. Definitely pro material, probably stayed with #virtu in the hope that the team will step up to at least ProConti next season. If they don't, he ought to look elsewhere - he absolutely has the potential for a pro contract at a foreign team.
    Well, that went faster than expected.
    Asgreen is off to #quickstep effective immediately. :cool
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