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THE GREAT GRAND TOUR GAME 2016/17
« on: April 19, 2016, 19:51 »
THE GREAT GRAND TOUR GAME... It´s back, yet again  :)


Season 2016/2017


It will start with the Tour de France 2016
, and finish in 2017 with the Vuelta 2017!
Please see below in this post; tournament rules. May also have a look at the 2014/15-Season of how the game runs (Link: Season 2014/15).
If questions arise, just post here to ask.
You can join from now, by just posting your will to participate.


Champions:
2011-Season; Mortand
2012-Season; Sylvester
2013-Season; Omitted due bad Giro weather
2014/15-Season; FoxxyBrown1111 aka Freedomofspeech
(Link to Final Standings & predictions: Championship Division)
2016/17-Season; To be decided


Participants:
Hopefully 54 at least...


The Rules:
Every player has to predict upfront the winner of each stage* and the Top-20 of the Final-CG of the given Grand Tour. That is all. Sounds easy, but is actually very hard, as the "veterans" can attest. But it is also great fun. It gets you through boring flat stages, literally making them thrilling.
(* = A rider can be selected a maximum 3 times to win a stage.)

Points:
1 for each correct predicted Stage/Prologue-Winner.
0.5 if a predicted Stage/Prologue-Winner finishes in the Top-3 of the given stage.

1 for every predicted CG-Top-20-Finisher.
1 additional point for the correct predicted place in the Final-CG.

Examples;
a.) Player A predicts Cavendish to win stage 3 of the TdF. If Cavendish indeed wins that stage, player A will score 1 point. If Cavendish finishes that stage on 2nd or 3rd place, player A will get 0.5 points.
b.) Kreuziger finishes 12th in the TdF. Player A predicted him to finish 20th. Player A will collect 1 point.
c.) Same result (Kreuziger finishing 12th), but in this case player A predicted Kreuziger correctly to finish 12th. He receives 2 points.



Tournament:
1.) The game will open with 54 players.
2. a) The predictions must be send to me via PM until 48 hours (thus usually Thursday) before the 1st stage (prologue) of the given GT.
b) A confirmation for participation PM must be send latest 3 days (usually Wednesday; 72 hours ahead of the start of stage 1/prologue) before every GT. This is necessary to guarantee a smooth organisation in case replacement players need to be called upon. Of course, therefor this rule does not apply for any replacement players who are contacted by me late, and may take part in the game.
3. a) If a player stops the game (due illness, holidays, or other reasons), even though qualified for the next round, he can name me a willing replacement player (a friend for example) who will take his spot during his hiatus, or for the reminder of the tournament.
Such a replacement player will start his first GT with one "inherited" point less than the lowest ranked player left in the tournament, independent of the inherited points the player who stopped the game would have taken to that given GT.
b) If no replacement player is announced, the highest ranked eliminated player will take his spot. Such player will be contacted by me no later than 24 hours before the given GT start.
4.) Schedule;
TdF 2016; Four divisions a 13 respectively 14 players. The two lowest seeded players from each division drop out, and since we start with uneven numbers in the divisions, an additional 2 players will be further eliminated (the two lowest seeded of the remaining players of all four divisions) from competition.
Vuelta 2016; Four divisions a 11 players. The two lowest seeded from each division will drop out.
Giro 2017; Four divisions a 9 players. Again, the two lowest seeded per division will drop out.
TdF 2017; Four divisions a 7 players. The two lowest seeded players from each division will be eliminated.
Vuelta 2017; We start with four divisions a 5 players where the lowest seeded player from each one drops out after the last stage before the 2nd rest day of the Vuelta (decisive would be the provisional rankings after that stage x)**, while the remaining 16 players will form the "Championship-Division" that plays out the overall winner.
** Is subject to change. There must remain at least four decisive stages (high mountains & time trials) after that final "cut".
5.) After each GT, every qualified player will take 25% of his scored points (so-called "inherited points") to the next rounds ("25%-Rule")***. That is a rule change from previous editions, where every player started with zero points in the next round. The reason: It is more fair for players who showed good "skills" in the Giro and/or TdF, only to lose out at the Vuelta on bad luck. OTOH, this "25%-Rule" still makes good comebacks possible for players who just slid into the next round. This version has been tested and showed the best results.
6.) Players could be excluded from competition if not following common sense of fairness, and/or (intentionally) not playing to their best abilities (like for example sending picks with lots of riders not riding the given GT; meaning the player doesn´t really care about the game or give it a serious try). There are always players waiting in line who actually enjoy the game, but may have been cut through some bad luck (like missing a spot point here or there, or just missing out on stages with some 4th place finishes) in previous round(s).
Before any action (expulsion of the game) would be taken, a warning will be send via PM. So that no misinterpretation of actions can happen.

*** Examples;
a.) Player A scored 19.5 points in the TdF 2014. He will take 5.0 rounded points to further round(s).
b.) Player B scored 17.0 points, thus he will head start with 4.5 rounded points at the Vuelta 2014.
c.) Player C scored 20.0 points at the TdF 2014, 17.0 net points (not counting the inherited "25%-Rule-Points") at the Vuelta 2014, and 17.5 net points at the Giro 2015. His head start for the TdF 2015 will be 13.5 rounded points.


Nuances, specifics and further explanations:

Not that important for now. Just in case for if "controversial matters" come up.


Tie-Breakers;

1. Most stages & Top-20 picks scored * (Explanation)
2. Most predicted Top-20 finishers *
3. Most correct stage wins predicted *
4. "Off-Score" * (Explanation)
5. Unrounded (speak exact) points according to the "25%-Rule" **
6. Most combined total net points scored in all GTs
7. Coin toss
(* of the given GT that is just played)
(** Example; Player A is tied with player B at 23 points each at a given GT. Both inherited 7.5 points from the previous round(s). Now the decider is the unrounded inherited points. May player A inherited 7.625 points, while player B inherited 7.375 points. In that case player A wins the tie breaking step.)

Predictions;
If a predicted rider will not race (due to a late injury for example), the player can exchange (only) this certain rider up to 1 hour before the GT begins.

Miscellaneous;
You guys should check in here (the first three posts) now and then since I may will add important things that might come up during the game. Thus nobody would have to sift trou the thread to get knowledge of important topics.

(All rules written in this linked post are from the last played game, but they also count for this game, unless they are contradicting. Then of course the actual ones for the 2014/15 season are applicable.)
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  • « Last Edit: April 19, 2016, 21:25 by Freedomofspeech, Reason: Frontpage Update »

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    Re: THE GREAT GRAND TOUR GAME 2016/17
    « Reply #1 on: April 19, 2016, 21:16 »
    In this post #2 I will have a summary of (important) answers to questions for the game. Thus nobody has to sift trou the whole thread to look for infos.

    1.) Confirmed participants will always be updated (within a few days) in the 1st post (front page).
    2.) If guys come/came over from the "other forum" (where the game formerly was run), please post your original name from that forum in your "joining post" here. It then will be easier for me to make all-time stats later in the game (like game records for example).
    3.) @ Mods: Could you make the game "sticky", even though it only starts in 2 1/2 months? Thanks in advance!
    4.) For all people that join: You guys may PM me other cycling forums where we may get more players from to join here? I would especially like to know some big german cycling forums. I think the mods/site owner would agree: The more new traffic here is good for everybody.  :)
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  • Freedomofspeech

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    Re: THE GREAT GRAND TOUR GAME 2016/17
    « Reply #2 on: April 19, 2016, 21:24 »
    ... finally: Sorry to all the "veterans" that the game can´t start with this Giro (2016). I am too busy now to could manage all the hard work that comes with organizing the game as you know it. I´d rather have it perfect than rushed. Quality comes first.  :cool
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  • Jspear

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    Re: THE GREAT GRAND TOUR GAME 2016/17
    « Reply #3 on: April 23, 2016, 16:41 »
    Awesome to see this game up and running again. I'm from the CN forums...I took part in this game last year and would love to do so again! Thanks for organizing this game. I know it's a lot of work!
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  • vladimir

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    Re: THE GREAT GRAND TOUR GAME 2016/17
    « Reply #4 on: April 25, 2016, 12:34 »
    Great news! I am normally only on CN, but stepped over to see if there was a new edition of this great game coming up. I am super busy myself now up to the Giro, so a start in TDF suits me just perfect!
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  • aarnold517

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    Re: THE GREAT GRAND TOUR GAME 2016/17
    « Reply #5 on: May 09, 2016, 20:00 »
    You know I'm ready to play the GGTG again! Ready to move up one step on the podium and knock off the previous winner  :P
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    Re: THE GREAT GRAND TOUR GAME 2016/17
    « Reply #6 on: May 21, 2016, 14:40 »
    Great to have you back guys.  :cool
    Anyway, I need more advertisement at the other forum (via PMs for example) to join this good forum here...
    Let them all know they are pretty much welcomed back to play. Outside of Eshnar of course, who is banned for life, but still is posing to be a past podium finisher, yet his results are nullified like those of LA. Someone should let him know he is posing without merit!  :angry

    Further: Omg! A Grand Tour is sooo boring without the GGTG. Look at Monfort for example. This great "ninja" would make us all nervous again if he gains a important point or not (right now he´s just hovering around his usual 20th in CG). But without the GGTG no one cares. What a shame.  :o

    P.S.:
    IMPORTANT NOTE:
    I need Diggercuz. He produced a great program to have the GGTG working even better*. With him it was possible to get the daily standings in a hurry. He is the secret MVP of the GGTG (not to take anything away from you other veteran GGTG guys of course).

    * As ya all know, I am not that good in computer stuff. Just happy to have managed google.docs...  :(
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    Re: THE GREAT GRAND TOUR GAME 2016/17
    « Reply #7 on: June 09, 2016, 08:07 »
    Think I might give this a go  :cool
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    Re: THE GREAT GRAND TOUR GAME 2016/17
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    Re: THE GREAT GRAND TOUR GAME 2016/17
    « Reply #9 on: June 13, 2016, 21:45 »
    Thanks guys, but I´ll have to postpone the GGTG until the Vuelta... Because too less entrees. I´ll look for more players in other forums, but the main site (for standings etc) will be here.

    Thanks anyway, and enjoy the TdF
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    Re: THE GREAT GRAND TOUR GAME 2016/17
    « Reply #10 on: July 25, 2016, 09:04 »
    Hi, nice to see this will be organized again. Just for fun this was my prediction for the Tour. You'll have to take my word that I wrote it down on paper the day before the Tour started.

    GC: 14 points

    Froome 2
    Quintana 1
    Contador
    Aru 1
    Porte 2
    Pinot
    Bardet 1
    Van Garderen
    Barguil
    Mollema 1
    DMartin 1
    Zakarin
    Rolland 1
    AYates 1
    Kelderman
    Nibali
    Valverde 1
    Henao 1
    Landa
    Thomas 1

    Remarks GC: Putting in four riders from Team Sky was a good idea. Kreuziger was my #21. I didn't pick Rodriguez because I thought he would ride for stage wins only.

    Stages: 4.5 points

    Kittel 0.5
    Sagan 1
    Kittel
    Coquard 0.5
    Alaphilippe
    Greipel
    Rolland
    Bardet
    Froome
    Sagan 0.5
    Greipel
    Froome
    TMartin
    Greipel
    Costa
    Sagan 1
    Quintana
    Froome 1
    Quintana
    Aru
    Kittel

    Stages comment: I kept up with my tradition of having all the bunch sprints wrong. Sagan saved me, unlike last year when he finished fourth in every stage I gave him. Froome be cursed for attacking one day too early. Bardet picked the wrong day as well. I can't believe that Tony Martin has let me down in the time trial. This was the first time I didn't give a stage to De Gendt - guess what happened.
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    Re: THE GREAT GRAND TOUR GAME 2016/17
    « Reply #11 on: July 25, 2016, 12:30 »
    Great game, I'm definitely in for the Vuelta!  :cool
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    Re: THE GREAT GRAND TOUR GAME 2016/17
    « Reply #12 on: July 30, 2016, 12:09 »
    Great,  I'm in as well  :D
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    Re: THE GREAT GRAND TOUR GAME 2016/17
    « Reply #13 on: August 15, 2016, 22:04 »
    So is this game gonna start at the Vuelta?

    (And btw. what's up with both Captcha and an additional question before posting?)
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