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Simon Yates fails drugs test
« on: April 28, 2016, 23:12 »
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-3564406/Leading-GB-Cyclist-fails-drugs-test-British-Cycling-plunged-crisis.html

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British Cycling descended deeper into crisis on Thursday night after it emerged that one of their leading riders has failed a drugs test.

Sportsmail can reveal that the rider, a road specialist but a former star of the British track team, tested positive in a race in France last month.

The rider, who is known by this newspaper but cannot be named at this stage, was among those contesting a place in the British team for the Olympic road race in Rio de Janeiro this summer.

Officials from British Cycling declined to comment on Thursday night even though it is believed senior figures at the governing body are aware of the situation.

Officials from the rider’s professional team could not be contacted. The rider’s father refused to provide contact details for his son or his representatives.

The news will come as a hammer blow to British Cycling when the sport is already reeling from the discrimination scandal — exposed by Sportsmail this week — which has led to the resignation of technical director Shane Sutton.


Originally said the rider was a track world champion, is male (his son) according to Sky is not one of theirs, so in France, track WC (if not removed as it was false), aiming for Rio not Sky and male = Simon Yates? Plus he hasn;t raced for a while although he did crash in Spain earlier this month.

Any other possibilities that fit?

Post Merge: April 28, 2016, 23:16
OK well that didn't take long to figure out, as I was making the thread it's been confirmed as Simon Yates.
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    Re: Simon Yates fails drugs test
    « Reply #1 on: April 28, 2016, 23:18 »
    #cleanedge
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    Re: Simon Yates fails drugs test
    « Reply #2 on: April 28, 2016, 23:39 »
    For the first time in a long time in respect to cycling, I am genuinely genuinely shocked. Pretty devastating news tbh, not just because he is British but because I like his style a lot
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    Re: Simon Yates fails drugs test
    « Reply #3 on: April 28, 2016, 23:53 »
    It'll be interesting to see what he's been found with too.
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    Re: Simon Yates fails drugs test
    « Reply #4 on: April 28, 2016, 23:55 »
    looked like a "nice guy" indeed, doesn't bold well for cycling when the new-new generation is dirty as well. Let's hope he comes clean, but well... not too likely I fear
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    Re: Simon Yates fails drugs test
    « Reply #5 on: April 29, 2016, 00:06 »
    It'll be interesting to see what he's been found with too.

    Terbutaline.

    It's used in inhalers but unlike some stuff like salbutamol where there is an allowable amount this requires an TUE for any amount.

    Orica statement here, doctor taking the blame http://www.greenedgecycling.com/news/statement-regarding-simon-yates-adverse-analytical-finding.phps
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    Re: Simon Yates fails drugs test
    « Reply #6 on: April 29, 2016, 00:11 »
    http://erj.ersjournals.com/content/42/Suppl_57/P3960

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    Supratherapeutic inhalation of terbutaline provides an ergogenic effect on muscle strength and anaerobic performance, but decrease endurance due to side-effects.
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    Re: Simon Yates fails drugs test
    « Reply #7 on: April 29, 2016, 00:18 »
    So parking the issue of the misuse of stuff like inhalers for the moment, if Orica can show that he has previous TUE's for Terbutaline and the amounts found in his system are consistent with regular use he'll lose his results from Paris-Nice and ??
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    Re: Simon Yates fails drugs test
    « Reply #8 on: April 29, 2016, 00:33 »
    Another asthmatic in the peloton. It's an epidemic.  :lol
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    Re: Simon Yates fails drugs test
    « Reply #9 on: April 29, 2016, 00:43 »
    http://www.greenedgecycling.com/news/statement-regarding-simon-yates-adverse-analytical-finding.phps

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    Statement regarding Simon Yates’ adverse analytical finding

    On April 22, the team was notified that Simon Yates has an adverse analytical finding from a test conducted at Paris-Nice, stage 6 on March 12, 2016.

    The positive result is for the substance Terbutaline.

    The substance was given to Simon Yates in the form an asthma inhaler and accordingly, this was noted by the team doctor on the Doping Control Form, signed at the time of the test.

    The substance was given in an ongoing treatment of Simon Yates’ documented asthma problems. However, in this case the team doctor made an administrative error by failing to apply for the TUE required for the use of this treatment.

    The use of Terbutaline without a current TUE is the reason it has been flagged as an adverse analytical finding. This is solely based on a human error that the doctor in question has taken full responsibility for.

    There has been no wrong-doing on Simon Yates’ part. The team takes full responsibility for this mistake and wishes to underline their support for Simon during this process.

    The team is concerned by the leak of this information and has no further comments until there has been a full evaluation made of the documentation, statements and evidence that the team and Simon Yates are now submitting to the UCI in order to clarify everything.
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    Re: Simon Yates fails drugs test
    « Reply #10 on: April 29, 2016, 01:27 »
    setting aside the abuse of inhalers and asthma medications within the peloton - If he truly did write the drug on his doping control form, and the levels re consistant with use from an inhaler which would have been given a TUE for, then I dont really have any problem with letting him off with a warning.

    If he has written it on his form, not getting a TUE is an administrative error.   A massive one ... but an error none the less.  He isnt trying to hide it.


    (again - the abuse of asthma medications and the amount of asthma sufferers in the peloton is certainly an issue that needs to be addressed - but we shouldnt single out Simon Yates alone over that)

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    Re: Simon Yates fails drugs test
    « Reply #11 on: April 29, 2016, 02:10 »
    setting aside the abuse of inhalers and asthma medications within the peloton - If he truly did write the drug on his doping control form, and the levels re consistant with use from an inhaler which would have been given a TUE for, then I dont really have any problem with letting him off with a warning.

    If he has written it on his form, not getting a TUE is an administrative error.   A massive one ... but an error none the less.  He isnt trying to hide it.
    Yoann Offredo and Alex Rasmussen got one-year bans for administrative errors (filing their whereabouts to late). And they didn't even test positive, they 'only' were too forgetful to do things properly.
    Those were their own personal cock-ups, but other than that the cases aren't so dissimilar.[1]
     1. provided that the #orica story holds true
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    Re: Simon Yates fails drugs test
    « Reply #12 on: April 29, 2016, 02:17 »
    true enough

    personal responsibility and all ....
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    Re: Simon Yates fails drugs test
    « Reply #13 on: April 29, 2016, 03:35 »
    Assuming that Orica's story is verifiable, which it should be if it's true, I suspect that the authorities will take the view that Yates is entitled to rely on his team and its medical staff filing the requisite paper work. That it's somebody else's administrative error rather than his own will probably be seen as a crucial distinction.
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    Re: Simon Yates fails drugs test
    « Reply #14 on: April 29, 2016, 05:49 »
    This sounds like the Vegard Robinson Bugge (Team Sparebanken Sør) case from last year. Same substance, "should have had a TUE" - 4 months ban. There was also a similar case in France in 2015, but no name mentioned in the newspaper report on Bugge's conviction. Bugge was not racing at Yates level, and is currently without a contract, riding for some amateur team in Belgian races AFAIK.
    I consider it odd that there are a lot of asthmatics racing at top level in cycling. In cross country skiing one might imagine a lot of breathing and heavy breathing in sometimes very low temperatures can actually lead to or worsen some asthma symptoms, but cyclists don't train in very cold conditions.


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    Re: Simon Yates fails drugs test
    « Reply #15 on: April 29, 2016, 06:36 »
    well, there is asthma medication available that is not on the doping list (Ventolin), just not a performance enhancing one - unless you use it the Ulissi way (maybe). So morally, everyone who can't deliver a bullet proof reason why to use this one you need a TUE for instead is a doper anyway, from my point of view. Concerning the rules, yes, he will probably get less than a four year ban - but I would say he shouldn't be better off than Ulissi.
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    Re: Simon Yates fails drugs test
    « Reply #16 on: April 29, 2016, 08:26 »
     It's a conspiracy, I tell ya..........
    A conspiracy by the Daily Mail to boost sales across the globe. :D

    Regardless of what OGE claim, ultimately it is the athlete who carry the responsibility.
    It may sound daft, when the doctor who's job (in part) it is to avoid such situations is the bloke who gets the stuff down your neck, but thems the rules.
    I don't know what discretion is available to the UCI to adjust their 4 year holiday clause.
    Maybe there is and he'll get 1-2 years.
    For Simon, it is perhaps a partial cleansing, but regardless of it being down to someone else's error, he will forever carry the tag of doper and his subsequent performances, viewed with scepticism.

    Right now, I cannot help but think upon yesterday's doping sanction from the sport of football and in the light of this, think that was so wrong.
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    Re: Simon Yates fails drugs test
    « Reply #17 on: April 29, 2016, 08:37 »
    This one seems an open shut case.

    There is a typical drug for the aliment - Ventolin/Salbutermol, which isn't on the banned list (ish).

    There is no medical reason to take Terbutaline, 1. its rarely used for asthma. 2. Its a PED.

    There was no TUE. 1. Why are they allowing the use of Terbutaline, when legal drugs are available. surely the response would be "no, go get a Ventolin" and 2. there  was no TUE, saying we meant to fill out the form, doesn't magic up a TUE.
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    Re: Simon Yates fails drugs test
    « Reply #18 on: April 29, 2016, 09:01 »

    For Simon, ..., he will forever carry the tag of doper and his subsequent performances, viewed with scepticism.


    Yep Mellow I think you are right there, almost regardless of his defence and what sanction the UCI imposes.  This is all the more disappointing as he play(ed) an important new-gen, untainted, poster boy role, as cycling seeks ongoing 'clean' credibility.  It is genuinely still difficult in a business / sponsorship sense not to come across a room of sceptics, and this really wont help at all.

    I feel sorry for his bro' too, who will be perpetually mis-identified as the 'doper'...
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    Re: Simon Yates fails drugs test
    « Reply #19 on: April 29, 2016, 09:11 »
    well, he was taking performance enhancing drug, so he is a doper, regardless of what the rules say
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    Re: Simon Yates fails drugs test
    « Reply #20 on: April 29, 2016, 09:15 »
    sure Search - that is my disappointment - sorry if I was ambiguous - one of the new vanguard - has agreed for whatever reason, in spite of huge natural talent to take a PED - gutted!

    His brother will be mistaken, and gain an unwarranted sibling slur - that was all
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    Re: Simon Yates fails drugs test
    « Reply #21 on: April 29, 2016, 09:18 »
     Yeah, Search, that's what I said, too! :D


    (at least I'm pretty sure I did)
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    Re: Simon Yates fails drugs test
    « Reply #22 on: April 29, 2016, 09:20 »
    ah, yeah sorry, I didn't see you were talking about Adam there, Servais
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    Re: Simon Yates fails drugs test
    « Reply #23 on: April 29, 2016, 09:21 »
    Disaster, and yet a number of the people I know around cycling are saying it can't be true based on two "facts".

    1. He's a Brit
    2. He's a nice bloke known around the club scene.
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    Re: Simon Yates fails drugs test
    « Reply #24 on: April 29, 2016, 09:23 »
    On Adam.

    Did he know Simon was taking the drug, probably, but I doubt that's a "brotherly" exclusive within Orica.

    I guess put simply, Its not about Adam, I feel for Simon, its got to suck. I'd be certain, plenty are guilty of the same, they just had the piece of the paper that made it "ok". I hope he is able to process it better than his doping predecessors.

    The TUE process, needs complete reform. It isn't working, even a little bit.
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    Re: Simon Yates fails drugs test
    « Reply #25 on: April 29, 2016, 09:32 »
    On Adam.

    Did he know Simon was taking the drug, probably, but I doubt that's a "brotherly" exclusive within Orica.

    I guess put simply, Its not about Adam, I feel for Simon, its got to suck. I'd be certain, plenty are guilty of the same, they just had the piece of the paper that made it "ok". I hope he is able to process it better than his doping predecessors.

    The TUE process, needs complete reform. It isn't working, even a little bit.
    Wasn't there a backstage pass with one of the Yates dropping an inhaler? Although in this case I think it was meant for someone else.
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    Re: Simon Yates fails drugs test
    « Reply #26 on: April 29, 2016, 09:51 »
    Yea, it was Simon, I think it was meant for Gerrans, but I'd have to watch it again. Ironically that was a ventolin.
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    Re: Simon Yates fails drugs test
    « Reply #27 on: April 29, 2016, 09:52 »
    This one seems an open shut case.

    There is a typical drug for the aliment - Ventolin/Salbutermol, which isn't on the banned list (ish).

    There is no medical reason to take Terbutaline, 1. its rarely used for asthma. 2. Its a PED.

    There was no TUE. 1. Why are they allowing the use of Terbutaline, when legal drugs are available. surely the response would be "no, go get a Ventolin" and 2. there  was no TUE, saying we meant to fill out the form, doesn't magic up a TUE.
    To my limited knowledge, Terbutaline is more often prescribed for sportsmen/women than the general public because it's more convenient to use.
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    Re: Simon Yates fails drugs test
    « Reply #28 on: April 29, 2016, 10:03 »
    Given that Orica are claiming it was used in an inhaler, which is odd given that it is normally injected or taken orally and Terbutaline is less prevalent, in the general market. You could argue prophylactic use, which really isn't what a TUE is for?
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    Re: Simon Yates fails drugs test
    « Reply #29 on: April 29, 2016, 10:06 »
    Wasn't there a backstage pass with one of the Yates dropping an inhaler? Although in this case I think it was meant for someone else.

    https://youtu.be/LRnInyTd8b8?t=286
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