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« on: June 11, 2012, 13:44 »


http://www.scotsman.com/sport/athletics/interview-ben-johnson-sprinter-1-2347937

makes for some very interesting reading.

 “It’s more annoying that people think I used drugs to make me run fast,” he says. “You don’t take drugs to run fast. Scientifically that’s not possible. A sprinter like me was born.”

In one sense, it is a moot point. Johnson admitted later that he had been using performance-enhancing drugs, including steroids, for seven years.

to Lewis

“I would say to him that we all were running for the same title, I beat you fair and square, from zero to 100. And you only beat me in the doping room.”

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    Of course, if this turns out someday to be the industry standard integrated handlebar-computer-braking solution then I'll eat my kevlar-reinforced aerodynamic hat.

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    Re: Athletics
    « Reply #1 on: June 11, 2012, 14:33 »
    Thanks for that JSG.

    There's clearly a whole sub plot to the doping conspiracies and that is the testing conspiracies.

    The question being asked is, "How the hell did you catch me this time when I've evaded detection every other time?"

    And the answer is often unclear.

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    Re: Athletics
    « Reply #2 on: June 11, 2012, 15:01 »
    Thanks for that JSG.

    There's clearly a whole sub plot to the doping conspiracies and that is the testing conspiracies.

    The question being asked is, "How the hell did you catch me this time when I've evaded detection every other time?"

    And the answer is often unclear.

    Correct and there are so many same stories from Cycling

    Look at Landis

    he has claimed for a long time now he was busted for a drug he did not take, he was on other stuff

    I especially like the diamond mine bit at the end - person of standing in the community obviously 
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    Re: Athletics
    « Reply #3 on: June 14, 2012, 23:25 »
    Yes, the whole story of who else in that race was positive that day in Korea and why only Johnson was busted is one that has never really come out.  That is what makes the current Armstrong case so vital.  McQuaid and others have backed Armstrong to the hilt.
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    Re: Athletics
    « Reply #4 on: July 10, 2012, 12:18 »
     from the book  The Dirtiest Race in History: Ben Johnson, Carl Lewis and the 1988 Olympic 100m Final, by Richard Moore

    Similar




    http://www.scotsman.com/sport/athletics/from-gold-and-silver-to-drugs-and-jail-david-jenkins-never-ran-from-fate-1-2400561
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    Re: Athletics
    « Reply #5 on: July 10, 2012, 14:25 »
    There was a docu on SBS tonight about it.

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    he Race That Shocked The WorldThe 100 metre sprint final at the 1988 Seoul Olympics was the fastest and dirtiest race in history. Six of the eight runners have since tested positive for banned substances. Ben Johnson, the winner, received a career destroying ban, whilst his rival, Carl Lewis, had failed three drug tests prior to the competition, and British runner Linford Christie, who finished second, was eventually banned for a series of drug test failures. In this program, Johnson and other runners will tell their personal stories of the race, and also put into context how and why athletes become drug cheats.

    Not sure if it's been shown elsewhere, if not I'll watch and report.

    http://www.sbs.com.au/ondemand/video/2254229605/The-Race-That-Shocked-The-World (Aus restricted)

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    Re: Athletics
    « Reply #6 on: July 14, 2012, 14:31 »
    Spew.


    "  In December 1988 he was sentenced to seven years in prison for conspiring to produce, smuggle and distribute steroids. “You had it all,” the judge told him. “You have brains, you’re bilingual… You have great health and a fantastic, God-given athletic ability. Then enters greed and the whole thing seems to go down the toilet bowl.”

    Jenkins apologised to the court, saying the enterprise “had got out of control.” Despite the seven-year sentence, he was released after nine months in Mojave Desert Prison. “The prosecutor wanted to meet me; he wanted to know where the raw materials had come from, and how we’d done it. I told him.

    “Plus,” adds Jenkins with a smile, “the prosecutor’s wife went to Edinburgh University at the same time as me.”

    At so many levels this just tells us how cr*p these journos are.  Let's tell poor Ronnie Biggs' story.  Yeah let's, I want to hear all about just how he woz innocent really. 

    I luv it.  Jenkins is reformed.  He has a giant buddah in his lounge.  You couldn't make it up.  If he was reformed he wouldn't have a single medal in his house. Just like Dave Millar and Marion Jones - I never took any drugs until the one I got tested positive for - honest.  They caught me first time.  Yes Marion you keep hold of all those earlier medals.  We will overlook the fact that even when at high school you needed to employ the same attorney that OJ Simpson used to get off the murder rap of his wife, to get you off a drugs violation.  They really think we are all as dumb as them and the journos that interview them.

    A complete pearl -
    "...Jenkins apologised to the court, saying the enterprise “had got out of control.” ...."

     Da*n it.  I said we should have made the order 150 not 175 phials. 
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    Re: Athletics
    « Reply #7 on: August 10, 2012, 07:48 »


    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/olympics/athletics-london-2012/ive-no-respect-for-him-bolt-reignites-lewis-feud-after-drug-slur-20120810-23yen.html#ixzz237hKjEBv

    what the flip is Lewis saying. Lewis who has had a positive for testosterone, and a back dated TUE to cover it up. What a muppet , this is nothing to do with Bolt being clean or not that is for another day - but Lewis has nothing to stand on
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    Re: Athletics
    « Reply #9 on: August 10, 2012, 07:56 »
    IOC to look into it

    8 US athletes involved

    http://www.arabnews.com/node/231840
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    Re: Athletics
    « Reply #10 on: August 10, 2012, 08:40 »
    What is it, 9 years since that article was written? Fair to say nothing's happening.

    Respect? Carl Lewis?

    wikipedia

    While Johnson basked in the glory of his achievement, Lewis started to explain away his defeat. He first claimed that Johnson had false-started, then he alluded to a stomach virus which had weakened him, and finally, without naming names, said “There are a lot of people coming out of nowhere. I don’t think they are doing it without drugs.” He added, “I could run 9.8 or faster in the 100 if I could jump into drugs right away.”[43] This was the start of Lewis’ calling on the sport of track and field to eliminate the illegal use of performance-enhancing drugs. Cynics noted that the problem had been in the sport for many years, and it only became a cause for Lewis once he was actually defeated. Johnson replied "When Carl Lewis was winning everything, I never said a word against him. And when the next guy comes along and beats me, I won’t complain about that either".[44]

    And didn't mister Lewis test positive in the trials as mentioned in one of them articles?
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    Re: Athletics
    « Reply #11 on: August 10, 2012, 09:14 »
    I can't give you a source but according to one of the coaches of a runner (who was knocked out in the semi final) everyone was tested positive in that final of the '88 olympics
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    « Reply #12 on: August 10, 2012, 09:24 »
    I can't give you a source but according to one of the coaches of a runner (who was knocked out in the semi final) everyone was tested positive in that final of the '88 olympics

    I have heard that as well
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    Re: Athletics
    « Reply #13 on: August 10, 2012, 10:23 »
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    Re: Athletics
    « Reply #14 on: August 10, 2012, 10:30 »
    Interesting article on Bolt;
     http://www.muscleweek.com/is-usain-bolt-on-steroids

    Bolt may or may not be but he has been running super fast since being 15 years old he was beating 19 year olds at the junior WC and broke the WR for under 19 at 17 I am pretty sure.

    for what it is worth
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    Re: Athletics
    « Reply #15 on: August 10, 2012, 10:48 »
    Jeepers Dancing what a find only thing which would have been better if he was a gynecologist

    http://www.google.com/search?btnG=1&pws=0&q=angel+hernandez+heredia

    http://deadspin.com/angel-heredia/
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    Re: Athletics
    « Reply #17 on: August 10, 2012, 11:47 »
    Bolt may or may not be but he has been running super fast since being 15 years old he was beating 19 year olds at the junior WC and broke the WR for under 19 at 17 I am pretty sure.

    for what it is worth

    I know, his success has been on the cards ever since he was about 14/15, so although there was a big drop in his times in 2008, it had been coming (had had injury problems in the years before that, combined with going from junior to senior ranks).  It's a shame perhaps though, that when Jamaica already has a bit of a reputation for their lack of a rigorous anti-doping body, that Bolt should be associated with this guy.  You'd  have thought that he'd want to do everything possible to have as clean a reputation as possible

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    « Reply #19 on: August 10, 2012, 14:31 »
    Indeed
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    Re: Athletics
    « Reply #20 on: August 10, 2012, 19:27 »
    Damn, that's depressing

    Ive read that it may be a fake.
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  • Despite the self-serving data benders and associated propaganda to the contrary, I am led to believe that there are pockets of organised, highly sophisticated dopers, even within 'new age' cycling teams. Personally, I don't accept that the 'dark era' has ended, it has just morphed into a new guise.

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    Re: Athletics
    « Reply #21 on: August 13, 2012, 17:36 »
    Another blog today, looking in detail at Heredia

    http://tenpercentorless.blogspot.co.uk/2012/08/want-to-run-958-speak-to-bolts-chemist.html

    Certainly if this was cycling, there would be pretty major fall out.. but its athletics.. nobody cares

    this interview makes fascinating reading
    http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/a-571031.html
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    Re: Athletics
    « Reply #24 on: August 14, 2012, 22:33 »
    Another blog today, looking in detail at Heredia

    http://tenpercentorless.blogspot.co.uk/2012/08/want-to-run-958-speak-to-bolts-chemist.html



    Wow, that blew me away dim.

    What a story.

    Problem is there are no sources so people can dismiss it as pure fantasy. But i googled the Greene connection and found NY times saying  Greene admitting to pay the $10 000

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/17/sports/othersports/17track.html?_r=1&ref=othersports

    Now that right therer is a smoking gun. If half of what Heredia says is true, the 100 yard dash is like US Postal  on genetic doping and CERA.  And Heredia does seem to be a real genius. hes a doper, but Bolt and the lot get all the credit in the world for what they do. An olympic aspirant who stats crunching numbers and gets to deciding olympic medals while barely out of his 20s, thats more impressive than what i seen any of them do, johnson, Montgommery, Bolt, the lot.
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    Re: Athletics
    « Reply #25 on: August 14, 2012, 22:56 »
    Oh and if Bolt is working with Heradia, and Heredia said in 2008 that the winner of the 100m will be a doper, Bolt is in other words working with a coach who sees him as a doper.
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    Re: Athletics
    « Reply #26 on: October 23, 2012, 07:24 »
    What do i say to someone who says dopers are caught everytime in athletics and give the wiki page of list of doping cases in athletics  :P
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    Re: Athletics
    « Reply #27 on: October 23, 2012, 07:33 »
    What do i say to someone who says dopers are caught everytime in athletics and give the wiki page of list of doping cases in athletics  :P

    not positive does not = not doping

    and then explain the 11 in the USADA  report none we positive all doping
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    Re: Athletics
    « Reply #28 on: October 23, 2012, 07:46 »
    not positive does not = not doping

    and then explain the 11 in the USADA  report none we positive all doping

    I did that and he goes why cant other sportsman take the same drugs that cyclist take  :fp even if lance can get away   hahaah  :police: :police: :fp :fp
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    « Reply #29 on: October 23, 2012, 08:06 »
    I did that and he goes why cant other sportsman take the same drugs that cyclist take  :fp even if lance can get away   hahaah  :police: :police: :fp :fp

    some people you just can not help Zam  :D
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