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« Reply #151 on: December 04, 2013, 11:26 »
Turkey has banned 23 coaches over the recent doping scandals

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    « Reply #152 on: December 22, 2013, 23:52 »
    If anybody has not seen it yet, then I can strongly recommend watching this:
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    Re: Athletics
    « Reply #156 on: May 02, 2014, 21:14 »
    12 month ban be running again in June

    USADA press release http://www.usada.org/default.asp?uid=4589  -
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    Re: Athletics
    « Reply #157 on: May 02, 2014, 21:17 »
    12 month ban be running again in June

    USADA press release http://www.usada.org/default.asp?uid=4589  -

    does he run for garmin?  :-x
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    Re: Athletics
    « Reply #158 on: June 25, 2014, 09:40 »


    Jamaica has been producing world-beating athletes since long before Bolt and Blake sprinted into the record books, but a new storm of high-profile doping scandals is threatening to ruin the island’s reputation for fair play. As the athletics world gears up for the  commonwealth games, with Jamaica expected to star again, Esquire reports from kingston on a nation facing intense suspicion.

    Jamaica's Record-Beating Athletes & The Country's Fight Against Banned Substances
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    Re: Athletics
    « Reply #159 on: July 14, 2014, 18:40 »
    Asafa Powell and Sherone Simpson have had drug bans cut from 18 to 6 months by CAS following their appeal.

    https://twitter.com/SiHart/status/488738378201202689
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    Re: Athletics
    « Reply #160 on: November 01, 2014, 12:58 »
    Rita Jeptoo: Kenyan marathon runner fails doping test

    Kenyan marathon runner Rita Jeptoo has become the latest athlete from the country to fail a doping test.

    The International Association of Athletics Federations (IAAF) informed Athletics Kenya of traces of a banned substance in Jeptoo's 'A' sample.

    An Athletics Kenya statement on the 33-year-old read: "The result of the 'A' sample for the athlete has indicated the presence of prohibited substances."

    Thirty-six Kenyans have been confirmed as failing tests in the past two years.

    http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/athletics/29855763

    Rita was one of the best going around
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    Re: Athletics
    « Reply #161 on: November 02, 2014, 16:10 »
    Saw that about Rita Jeptoo, whole family are engaged in international representative distance running.  Quite whether this (36 x Kenyans) goes anywhere  - in terms of the OOC testing in Kenya is debatable.  With so many Europeans doing camps there and the tales of the dodgy doctors, it is as if no-one is rushing to put pressure on the Kenyans to introduce effective OOC for athletes in the country.  Got to say, as the years tick by, I have been moving my position on Paula Radcliffe.  Jeptoo getting pinged had me comparing their times, Paula was faster.  We can rehearse and rehash the plot-line and no definitive answer is going to pop out of the system.  I think I am happy with - walk away if people I don't know are talking about the subject and express my doubts if it is people who have an informed position.  I was quite happy with thinking Linford Christie and his gang were dopers, I had put a little fence around them, in my mind.  I think what shook me was finding out that Jonathan Edwards used Andy Norman as his agent.   

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    Re: Athletics
    « Reply #162 on: November 07, 2014, 14:48 »
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    Re: Athletics
    « Reply #164 on: December 03, 2014, 19:30 »
    The Biggest doping story since the East Germans including Festina, USPS etc etc just hit the airways

    Russia the country doping athletes

    watch this space ....

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    Re: Athletics
    « Reply #165 on: December 03, 2014, 19:34 »
    WADA respond

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    WADA Statement on German Television Documentary

    WADA has seen the German television documentary alleging systematic doping in Russia, and other breaches of the World Anti-Doping Code. WADA will ensure that all matters raised are fully investigated.

    WADA has in fact already received some information and evidence of the type exposed in the documentary. All of that information has been passed to the appropriate independent body within the international federation, the IAAF. We will await the outcome of that independent body’s deliberations.

    Insofar as the particular allegations against Russian authorities and others are concerned, these will all be carefully scrutinized and if action is warranted, WADA will take any necessary and appropriate steps under the Code.
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    Re: Athletics
    « Reply #166 on: December 03, 2014, 19:35 »
    WADA has already issued a statement:
    https://www.wada-ama.org/en/media/news/2014-12/wada-statement-on-german-television-documentary

    ... curse, ninja'ed again ...

    In other words, they're covering all the bases and do everything necessary while firmly sitting on their hands. Or something. :S

    L'arri, have you been hired to do the WADA press releases? :P
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    Re: Athletics
    « Reply #167 on: December 03, 2014, 19:37 »
    here is the video, probably geo-restricted though

    "Geheimsache Doping: Wie Russland seine Sieger macht"
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    « Reply #168 on: December 03, 2014, 19:39 »
    here is the video, probably geo-restricted though
    Yep, geo-restricted. :(

    ... which can be circumvented by Hola though. :)
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    « Reply #169 on: December 03, 2014, 19:41 »
    WADA has already issued a statement:
    https://www.wada-ama.org/en/media/news/2014-12/wada-statement-on-german-television-documentary

    ... curse, ninja'ed again ...

    In other words, they're covering all the bases and do everything necessary while firmly sitting on their hands. Or something. :S

    L'arri, have you been hired to do the WADA press releases? :P

    and Member of the IAAF has been named and the Russian ADA so I can see why no realness to the presser
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    « Reply #170 on: December 03, 2014, 19:43 »
    Yep, geo-restricted. :(

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    « Reply #171 on: December 03, 2014, 19:46 »
    Download Hola and set to German
    I have it already, just always forget about it. :fp

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    Re: Athletics
    « Reply #173 on: December 03, 2014, 20:33 »
    here is the video, probably geo-restricted though

    "Geheimsache Doping: Wie Russland seine Sieger macht"

    I caught the last 20 minutes or so on tv.
    Wow. Some real eye popping stuff.
    Huge sums of money involved, too.
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    « Reply #174 on: December 03, 2014, 20:37 »
    I caught the last 20 minutes or so on tv.
    Wow. Some real eye popping stuff.
    Huge sums of money involved, too.

    yep and some heavy hitters up the food chain it seems
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    Re: Athletics
    « Reply #175 on: December 03, 2014, 20:58 »
    More government-funded, government-sanctioned filth. If it can go as deep as this in Russia, it can do likewise almost anywhere else. I'm not particularly surprised. I've heard some truly hair-raising stories concerning other governmental practices outside of sport there.

    Meanwhile RUSADA has returned a truly remarkable number of positive doping tests in the last few years and it is tempting to imagine that a smokescreen of anti-doping success enables pervasive corruption underneath. Hiding in plain sight, as it were.

    Will this be a wakey wakey for the honey-coated, sunshine sh*tting sport of Athletics or will Coe get the presidency at the IAAF and PR-finesse his way through this over the next 12 months or so with a very, very shallow plough?
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    « Reply #176 on: December 03, 2014, 21:02 »
    If it can go as deep as this in Russia, it can do likewise almost anywhere else. I'm not particularly surprised. I've heard some truly hair-raising stories concerning other governmental practices outside of sport.

    "he told me, everyone in the world would do it that way" is what Stepanova says about Portugalov, who according to that feature is head of the state organized doping in Russia since the 1970's
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    Re: Athletics
    « Reply #177 on: December 03, 2014, 21:56 »
    Well, that only took about 2 hours ... :o

    Here's my transcript of the documentary. Not edited in any way, just what I jotted down while watching it. Direct quotes are mostly paraphrased and subject to correction, but recite what's said in the German soundtrack.


    Vitaly Stepanov (ex-RUSADA employee): All Russian athletes dope. Results not possible without doping. Coaches and officials clearly say "you can only get so far with your natural abilities". To win medals, you need help - doping.

    Coaches are told again and again "they have to dope", coaches then tell it to the athletes again and again. Athletes don't even think they're doing anything wrong.

    EPO from pharmacy, brought by courier, no prescription necessary

    Bribery of anti-doping officials; training camps under false names; 'pre-produced' clean urine samples

    RUSADA: 23110 tests, 2.2% positive (>500 cases)

    Sound files (talks between coaches & athletes): "EPO?" "Peptide hormones"; "forbidden substances?" "don't call it that, it's 'special preparation'"; Melnikov (athletics coach): "we don't need high hemoglobin, so we don't need EPO, especially not the amounts used earlier"

    Coaches tell athletes "use this and that" - if caught, they're discarded and someone else is given the same treatment

    Evgenia Pecherina (discus throw): "99% of Russian athletes dope. You can get whatever you want. The shorter it's detectable, the higher the price"

    Anonymous coach: "Internal system. If you want to get better results, you call a phone number, introduce yourself, and you'll get what you want. But you only get the phone number after a background check - if the high authorities don't approve of you, you won't get it."

    Oleg Popov (coach throw disciplines): "Athletes have no choice. Stay in the system, win medals that count for the federation, the coach, the sports ministry etc. - or you'll be thrown out very quickly."

    Sergey Portugalov: Building anti-doping task force in Russia with support from IAAF; YouTube video from seminar on medicine & supplements; adviser to several international sports organisations; central figure in Russian Olympics preparation (already since Soviet era in 70s & 80s); advises athletes on doping practices (by mail), hands out substances and performs injections himself

    Price for Portugalov's help: 50.000 for gold medal, 30.000 for silver, 20.000 for bronze (not clear which currency, I presume rubles); plus 5% of all prize money earned in a season, plus price for substances

    Hidden camera video of meeting with Portugalov & Melnikov; no comments from those two

    Other sports waiting at Portugalov's office: cross country skiing, race walking, 400 m, swimming

    TV crew not welcome at Russian Olympic Committee; mailed questions never answered by Russian athletics fed

    When athlete is tested, they get a form with the ID number of their sample - they send it to Portugalov by text message, and he'll arrange everything

    Ministry officials called RUSADA, asking for identity of positive athlete. If he/she was unknown, it's positive. If it's a celebrity or a young medal hopeful, it was a "mistake".

    RUSADA officials made sure that certain athletes didn't even get tested: Swimming, cycling, biathlon, athletics, weight-lifting, nordic skiing

    Nikita Kamaev (RUSADA director) denies allegations. "All sportsmen that make allegations have been tested positive themselves. These people then turn to journalists and tell stories. Those stories are simply ridiculous for professionals. RUSADA always worked correctly."

    RUSADA calls in Yuliya Stepanova for test (that she has to pay for herself).

    Talk between Vitaly Stepanov & sports ministry official: "Ministry doesn't like that WADA wants to control RUSADA"

    Government decree that says that test samples have to be declared before being exported (to foreign labs), may even be opened at border controls (signed by then prime minister Putin)

    Valentin Kruglyakov (400 m): Pre-competition tests before big events, making sure all athletes are 'clean'. Those who don't pass controls simply don't start - that doesn't mean they're also banned, though.

    RUSADA report 2012: "Every of the 500 Olympics starters tested at least once pre-Games"[1]

    Video with Mariya Savinova (2012 gold medal on 800 m): "Well, this is how it works in Russia. We have to use pharma. My coach works with Melnikov and helps to sweep the tests under the carpet. They switch dates for/of tests. And oxandrolone is gone from my system very quickly, less than 20 days. We tested that, my husband has good connections to the anti-doping lab."

    Olivier Rabin (WADA scientific director): "We've had 'miscommunications' in reporting of test results. Test that we knew were positive weren't reported as such. Corruption, or as I call it, influencing of reporting of test results. Corruption or something difference."[2]

    Rodchenkov is director of anti-doping lab in Moscow. Stepanov says he does the same as Portugalov: "Sells doping to athletes, prepares doping plans, watches out for 'his' athletes and makes positives go away. Of course he does it for money." Popov: "Especially with the very top athletes, samples were exchanged with others." Pecherina: "Rodchenkov is informed about everything. He knows about half-life times, he's the absolute specialist."

    Rodchenkov: "Be careful about believing fraudsters. A positive test was the disaster of their life." Denies he's taken money to cover up positives: "There are rumours, yes, but they're not true."

    Rodchenkov was suspected of doping trafficking 3 years ago - allegations not investigated by Russian government

    President of Russian federation, Balakhnichev, cornered in hotel: "I'm not involved in doping. I'll never talk about it. You have your opinion, I have mine: I'm not involved. I'm the president and never involved in anything. I reject your questions. I'm not involved [in the doping problem], your questions are strange."

    Suspicious bio-passport from marathon runner. Mario Thevis (Köln lab): "Outside of references, ban would be justified." Anonymous informer from IAAF periphery: "Bribery in IAAF to cover up positives." Confirms that bio-passport data are from Liliya Shobukhova.

    IAAF states: "Bio-passport processes take longer. But also delay from Russians." Shobukhova: "2011 Russian athletic fed said there were problems, 2012 Olympics participation in doubt. We had to pay 150.000 € to solve the problems, then I could participate." Money withdrawn in cash in January 2012, meeting in Moscow, money handed over, told "it will all be fine", next day she went to training camp in Portugal. IAAF reported bio-passport irregularities to Russian fed in June 2012, and now they're seen as anti-doping violation. Shortly after Melnikov contacts Shobukhova, asks for 300.000 € (again paid in cash). Abandons Olympic marathon in August due to injury. Not listed in IAAF testing protocol once in 2012. IAAF: "Tested once in competition."

    2013: Some people were still pushing for a ban. Melnikov calls Shobukhova & husband to Moscow for meeting, asks them to sign paper about doping suspension. They deny to sign, ask "what did we pay all the money for?" Balakhnichev got nervous, ordered the money to be paid back. No comment on that from Balakhnichev.

    Shobukhov shows bank receipt for transaction of 300.000 € from Black Tidings, company registered in Singapore, phantom company in residential area. Company was divested shortly after payment to Shobukhov.

    Mail communication regarding bank transaction between Melnikov & Shobukhovs - a forward from Balakhnichev. Bank receipt attached.

    Confirmation of transaction in internal IAAF document; investigation into bribery performed by Shobukhova. Balakhnichev is IAAF treasurer.

    Anonymous IAAF informer tells of death threats.

    Kruglyakov: "Someone's currently serving a 2-year ban and tried to take action against his ban. He was told not to do that, or he might get involved in a car crash."

    Anonymous coach: "It's dangerous to talk. Some have tried to commit suicide[3]. In one case the help came too late."

    Wada founding president Dick Pound & WADA general director David Howman are confronted with evidence.
    Pound: "You've put together a comprehensive and very alarming case. Now that it's public, somebody has to come up with an answer. If things of this magnitude are organised in a country, it's a serious problem for the credibility of sports and of anti-doping efforts. It's pretty dreadful to see it goes all the way up to the IAAF, that's equally serious."
    Howman: "The combination of it all is shocking. Details are disappointing. Combining everything and looking at the facts, it's certainly shocking. Now we have to approach this fearlessly, but also make sure to protect the people suffering from fear."

    August 2014: Russian TV reports about anti-doping meeting with sports minister. 6 coaches banned for doping practices - the names are kept secret though.

    Kyrgyzstan, training camp, short time ago: Stepanova is training, ban ends in January. Meeting with Kazarin (coach of Savinova): "We can work with oxandrolone and primobolan, also with EPO to start with. But we have to be careful that you stay within the limits in case of a control. Here you have the pills." (taking pills & vials from a drawer in the hotel room and throwing them on the bed) "What's that?" "Oxandrolone."

    Pills analysed in Köln, clearly contain oxandrolone (anabolic steroid).

    Question asked at end: Only happening in Russia? Tip that it would be worthwhile to look at other countries, too.

    Stepanovs say they'll be public enemies no. 1 in Russia. Get letter from WADA saying they did a big contribution to anti-doping fight. Have left Russia with their 8-month old son a few days ago - forever.
     1. You'd bloody well hope so! OOC testing is the way forward we're always told...
     2. Call a spade a spade, Olivier! Corruption doesn't have to be cash ...
     3. yeah, right. 'Suicide'
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    Re: Athletics
    « Reply #178 on: December 03, 2014, 22:00 »
    I'm not particularly surprised.
    Me neither. Nothing I saw was any 'new' practice. It was like Armstrong, Festina or Fuentes all over again. Same practices, same cover-ups etc.

    Maybe I've just become cynical. But after watching it, my feeling isn't "oh my, how shocking" - but "really, Hajo Seppelt? Make such an emotive piece, almost a thriller, full of pathos? All of this is basically an open secret, why do you act so surprised?" :(
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    Re: Athletics
    « Reply #179 on: December 04, 2014, 03:35 »
    Government decree that says that test samples have to be declared before being exported (to foreign labs), may even be opened at border controls (signed by then prime minister Putin)

    Anonymous IAAF informer tells of death threats.

    Kruglyakov: "Someone's currently serving a 2-year ban and tried to take action against his ban. He was told not to do that, or he might get involved in a car crash."

    And this the ad that Velorooms is showing me right now.  :D


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