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Re: Athletics
« Reply #60 on: July 14, 2013, 19:51 »
Asafa Powell - Jamaica - Former 100 world record holder
Tyson Gay - USA - US 100m record holder, second fastest man in history
Nesta Carter - Jamaica - One of only five women in history to run under 9.8 seconds
Sherone Simpson - Jamaica - Olympic medal winner at 4x100m

Two more jamaicans to come allegedly.

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Veronica Campbell Brown - Jamaica - Olympic Champion

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    Re: Athletics
    « Reply #61 on: July 14, 2013, 19:52 »
    Five Jamaicans positive so far.

    Usain Bolts agent says that Bolt is not among them

    Usain Bolt is a £100 million a year business.

    No one is ever going to sabotage that.  His sponsors could each offer about £5 million to cover up a positive test and still come out in profit.
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    « Reply #62 on: July 14, 2013, 20:53 »
    "Tyson Gay has been tested positive. Therefor he cancelled his participation in the upcoming athletics world championships in Moskow"

    as reported in german tv :D
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    « Reply #63 on: July 14, 2013, 21:02 »
    The same German TV that can't mention cycling without going into a 30-minute rant about doping?
    Had this been Alexis Vuillermoz (I don't think he dopes, he's just an example of one of the riders that nobody who isn't into cycling would ever have heard of) they would be all over it.

    A former 100 m world record holder (so comparable in status to, say, Petacchi) tests positive, and they make that out of it?
    Idiots. :hb
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    « Reply #64 on: July 14, 2013, 21:04 »
    The same German TV that can't mention cycling without going into a 30-minute rant about doping?

    yeh, it was in the Tagesschau, on ARD
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    Re: Athletics
    « Reply #65 on: July 14, 2013, 21:13 »
    Watched it myself now (wonderful what you can do nowadays).
    "Therefore he cancelled his participation in the world championships" - honestly. :fp

    I guess the guy writing the news for the show has no idea about doping, and simply copied what they got off the news agencies, but that doesn't make it much better. As if Gay had been allowed to compete under any circumstances at all.
    Clearly this is a case of a positive A test, therefore not finalized yet.

    But I stand by my point: Would Vuillermoz (sorry Alexis) have a positive A test for anything during the Tour, they'd be over it like vultures.
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    Re: Athletics
    « Reply #66 on: July 14, 2013, 21:21 »
    Expanded thread title for all track athletes that pop +.

    New test, improved test, new substance not as safe as advertised, or fluke? Not sure what we're looking at yet, but I tend not to bet on fluke.
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    Re: Athletics
    « Reply #67 on: July 14, 2013, 21:40 »
    Don't know about Gay yet but Simpson and Powell were popped for oxilofrine which seems to have been able to be detected for a while, with VCB failing and rumours of some more on the way is it more targeted testing on the Jamaicans?
      Lack of "friendly" Jamaican anti doping testing ?  Turn a blind eye to the can of drink full of urine trick ? 

    I hope not, I sincerely hope better testing or a drug not being as clean as hoped but at least we can be grateful that some were caught.

    I go along with the Hitch.  Bolt is humungous business and they could pay somebody to drive a motorbike into the testing shed to destroy the sample whilst it is being taken. 
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    Re: Athletics
    « Reply #68 on: July 14, 2013, 23:23 »
    I had missed this until I saw it mentioned in today's story,  about 30 Turks caught too  :slow

    http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/athletics-turkish-athletes-targeted-anti-doping-investigators-151359262.html

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    Re: Athletics
    « Reply #69 on: July 14, 2013, 23:51 »
    A former 100 m world record holder (so comparable in status to, say, Petacchi) tests positive, and they make that out of it?
    Idiots. :hb

    Dont underestimate how big Powell used to be. He was 1 of the biggest sportstars in the world. Especially after Gatlin positive 2005 there were 2 years till the 07 worlds where he was favorite, where he dominated the sport. Set a wr first of 9.77 then down to 9.73. The wr before used to go down by 0.01 or 2 every time so for him to take 0.05 out of everyone made him a mega superstar and the biggest show in town right up to the point that he choked in the final in Osaka i think it was.
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    Re: Athletics
    « Reply #70 on: July 15, 2013, 02:53 »
    Yes, it is refreshing.

    I know absolutely zero about athletics but I do recognise this guy by name at least.

    Seems like there's been quite a few athletics positives lately (particularly in Russia) and didn't they also implement the bio-passport recently?

    Interesting times. Good progress achieved quickly. Apparently not afraid to drop a big name too.

    Bio Passport? they could start with out of season testing.
    few years ago now but always found the explanation of how easy it was to cheat fascinating

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/olympics/athletics/7403158.stm

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    Re: Athletics
    « Reply #71 on: July 15, 2013, 02:56 »
    I had missed this until I saw it mentioned in today's story,  about 30 Turks caught too  :slow

    http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/athletics-turkish-athletes-targeted-anti-doping-investigators-151359262.html

    Obviously they do have a passport now and is working. Interesting that it is based on a month before, given how slowly cycling passport cases seem to progress. must have been pretty substantial changes. will be interesting for sport in general is passports become the accepted norm for doping cases.
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    Re: Athletics
    « Reply #72 on: July 15, 2013, 08:58 »
    Dont underestimate how big Powell used to be. He was 1 of the biggest sportstars in the world.
    Hey, I have no idea about athletics.
    Maybe he'd be closer to an Evans, Contador or Schleck in cycling terms. Which makes the low-key reaction from the media even more ridiculous.
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    Re: Athletics
    « Reply #73 on: July 15, 2013, 09:03 »
    Gay - hugely disappointing, was a fan of his, has been in great form, and hopefully was going to push Bolt very close in the WC.  Although as my paper put it this morning, his form, thought to be down to being injury free for the first time in several years, now seems to have been due to more sinister reasons.

    Powell (and other Jamaican's in general) - the whole island has been dodgy for years, poor testing regimes and a long history of doping. 

    As the OP said, sprinters testing positive is not a surprise at all, and there is quite a large part of me that delights in seeing another sport dragged through the gutter.  However, reading about it this morning and listening on the radio, the level of outrage seems far lower than one might expect, as if this is a one off (which it obviously isn't) - so still a way to go for the rest of the world to wake up and realise that doping pervades sport.
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    « Reply #74 on: July 15, 2013, 09:05 »
    Hey, I have no idea about athletics.
    Maybe he'd be closer to an Evans, Contador or Schleck in cycling terms. Which makes the low-key reaction from the media even more ridiculous.

    Powell and Gay are a level above every cyclist there is at the moment, I'd say
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    Re: Athletics
    « Reply #75 on: July 15, 2013, 10:23 »
    I didn't mean to compare Gay or Powell to cyclists in terms of recognition, prestige and whatnot. I wanted to make a comparison regarding what the magnitude of this affair would be if it had been in cycling.

    Or, in simpler terms: I have no idea about athletics! :P
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    Re: Athletics
    « Reply #76 on: July 15, 2013, 11:24 »
    In cycling, that would be if Contador, Nibali, Rodriguez and Valverde were caught at the same time - i.e. many of the candidates for the biggest races except for the currently dominant one (Froome or Bolt).

    So yes, it's pretty big.
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    Re: Athletics
    « Reply #77 on: July 15, 2013, 11:37 »
    It is a total farce. Slowly but surely Athletics is being outed and credit to WADA etc for that, but with all the information coming out it is ridiculous that this is not instant front page stuff.

    I haven't seen the paper this morning, but the chances of it even making one of the first 4 backpage pages.. very unlikely.

    (Ok, so cricket will dominate, but still ridiculous)
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    « Reply #78 on: July 15, 2013, 12:25 »
    Hey, I have no idea about athletics.
    Maybe he'd be closer to an Evans, Contador or Schleck in cycling terms. Which makes the low-key reaction from the media even more ridiculous.

    Yep. Certainly in my neck of the woods everyone knew who Powell was. I doubt anyone knew who any of those cyclists were.

    Who would it be as a cyclist? Tyson gay- Evans. Asafa Powell - valverde (had piti not been caught the first time). Nestor crater- Sylvain chavanel. Vcb- Emma pooley.
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    « Reply #79 on: July 15, 2013, 12:34 »
    Also apparently more positives to come from us today. 


    Basically a guy who 2 days ago said on letsrun.com there would be a major positive on Sunday says there are more to cone on Monday.
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    Re: Athletics
    « Reply #80 on: July 15, 2013, 14:01 »
    Tancredi Palmeri ‏@tancredipalmeri 2h
    Italian police found more than 50 different medicines in room of Asafa Powell and of other members of Jamaica team training at Lignano
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    « Reply #81 on: July 15, 2013, 14:05 »
    okay, I was already wondering how this could happen - but obviously it was not down to the work of the jamaican anti doping agency

    Edit: but I just saw Powell tested positive at the Jamaican Championships, so this thing in italy is a different story?!
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    Re: Athletics
    « Reply #82 on: July 15, 2013, 14:16 »
    That all sounds like athletics are living through 1997-2009 (in cycling terms) in just a week.
    This is their Festina affair, Contador positive and Giro searching of team hotels all in one.
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    « Reply #83 on: July 15, 2013, 14:28 »
    That all sounds like athletics are living through 1997-2009 (in cycling terms) in just a week.
    This is their Festina affair, Contador positive and Giro searching of team hotels all in one.

    Nah, they already had all those things. This is all those things happening again in 1 week ;)
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    Re: Athletics
    « Reply #84 on: July 15, 2013, 15:14 »
    i know it's kind of a new thing but could an admin merge this thread with the athletics darkside thread
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    Re: Athletics
    « Reply #85 on: July 15, 2013, 15:54 »
    Yep. Certainly in my neck of the woods everyone knew who Powell was. I doubt anyone knew who any of those cyclists were.

    Who would it be as a cyclist? Tyson gay- Evans. Asafa Powell - valverde (had piti not been caught the first time). Nestor crater- Sylvain chavanel. Vcb- Emma pooley.


    Tyson Gay - Andrei Greipel
     Asafa Powell - Marcel Kittel
    Nestor Carter - Emma Pooley
    Sherone Simpson  - Tyler Farrar
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    « Reply #86 on: July 15, 2013, 16:58 »
    Tyson Gay - Andrei Greipel
     Asafa Powell - Marcel Kittel
    Nestor Carter - Emma Pooley
    Sherone Simpson - Tyler Farrar

    Was more about what their role in the sport is.

    Gay, Evans, used to be really good, had their moment on top, now in decline. Always blame injuries ;)

    Powell, valverde, world number 1 for long time, but always choke at the big one

    Carter chavanel. Good. Been around for a long time. Performed when they had to. Never the best.

    Simpson, pooley,- good. Not Marianne vos.
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    Re: Athletics
    « Reply #87 on: July 15, 2013, 16:59 »
    We are agreed on Sherone Farrar then :D
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    Re: Athletics
    « Reply #88 on: July 15, 2013, 17:24 »
    Nice inforgraphic from LEquipe. Looks a lot like the ones done in cycling with armstrong shown as beating lots of dopers.
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    Re: Athletics
    « Reply #89 on: July 15, 2013, 17:47 »
    Spooky.. athletics 100m v 2000 tour pre USADA decision

    take off armstrong, and possibly Nesta Carter and the 2000 tour was cleaner than athletics :woohoo
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