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Re: Athletics
« Reply #90 on: July 15, 2013, 21:23 »
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    Re: Athletics
    « Reply #91 on: July 16, 2013, 18:10 »
    Article on positivies

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    Just yesterday details of a positive drugs tests for two of athletics’ biggest stars, Tyson Gay and Asafa Powell, were released. In my eyes the media reaction to these two positives was negligible, the pair were at the pinnacle of their sport and I would have expected a much more robust reaction something similar to the outburst when Lance Armstrong confessed on Oprah.
    After all if these two athletes were taking drugs then it is likely there are many more athletes on the rungs below them doing likewise. Indeed slowly but surely the world of athletics seems to be reaching a point where they will have to confront this very eminent problem.

    Logically if these two athletes were doping then the man who beat them to it would also be doping, namely Usain Bolt. I am not condemning him just yet, but it is nevertheless likelihood and though he is undoubtedly talented, I am starting to wonder whether that is enough in the current climate of Athletics.
    My stance is very simple, whilst cycling has been or hopefully is in the midst of a purge from drug taking, Athletics has been much more lax when it comes to doping. Only now with the introduction of new biological passports and better testing by WADA, a lot of that prompted by the disaster over the road in cycling, has the full extent of the problem started to emerge. Simply, athletics is 10 years behind cycling when it comes to dealing with the doping problem. 

    It is no surprise that these two disciplines are the ones hardest hit, they are after all the ones in which taking doping products would provide the biggest benefit. There is no skill involved in either athletics or cycling, rather it is solely about the strength of the individual and therefore anything which can be done to increase that strength takes on paramount importance.
    For people surprised about the news, well you shouldn’t be. Athletics has been quietly banging on the door the last year or so. The Russians recently suspended 42 athletes from competition. Even in cycling, numbers like that when it comes to suspension are rarely if ever found. Furthermore it casts a cloud over one of athletics most prominent nations; if such a high quantity is doping I wouldn’t be surprised if close to all of them are, after all the setup is typically a closely knit affair.

    Many high profile athletes such as British European Champion Linsey Sharp have claimed there are a lot of dopers out there.  Two of the most high profile Kenyan distance runners have claimed that doping is widespread amongst the Kenyan athletes, the IAAF have setup a new lab in Kenya as a result but obviously more needs to be done.  The Kenyan 3 time World Steeplechase champion was recently caught and subsequently claimed that many athletes bribe officials, allowing them the peace of mind that they won’t be caught. Gay and Powell obviously fell afoul of this but what does that mean for Bolt, a multi millionaire who could lay close to any sum imaginable out to ensure he is not caught?


    And now Jamaica has fallen as well, along with Powell they have had Olympic champion Campbell Brown also caught along with a number of other high profile athletes. So Jamaica and Russia have felt the first tremors as their athletic kingdoms start to fall. But athletics now need to decide what they are going to do, will they call for help or will they remain adamant that the current positives are only the few bad cookies in the sport. Even if they do decide to deny it, it will be only be a matter of time before the true plight of the sport is uncovered.
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    Re: Athletics
    « Reply #92 on: July 16, 2013, 19:10 »
    No reason given but David Rudisha withdraws from world champs.

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    Re: Athletics
    « Reply #93 on: July 17, 2013, 01:48 »
    U.S. sprinter Tyson Gay linked to anti-aging specialist

    Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/more/news/20130716/tyson-gay-positive-test-news/#ixzz2ZG8hHbun
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    Re: Athletics
    « Reply #94 on: July 17, 2013, 08:30 »
    No reason given but David Rudisha withdraws from world champs.

    knee injury for Rudisha

    Yohan Blake withdraws from world champs with hamstring injury (he's barely run all year so quite likely to be true)
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    Re: Athletics
    « Reply #95 on: July 17, 2013, 08:34 »
    knee injury for Rudisha

    Yohan Blake withdraws from world champs with hamstring injury (he's barely run all year so quite likely to be true)

    I did read that this morning.

    The sh*t storm is gaining momentum in Athletics, the numbers of positives this last month must be close to 50

    30 Turkish
    ? Russians
    ? sprinters mainly US and Jamaican
    ? Kenyans   

    and this is probably the tip of the iceberg

    and media coverage has been minimal
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    Re: Athletics
    « Reply #96 on: July 17, 2013, 08:46 »
    I did read that this morning.

    The sh*t storm is gaining momentum in Athletics, the numbers of positives this last month must be close to 50

    30 Turkish
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    ? sprinters mainly US and Jamaican
    ? Kenyans   

    and this is probably the tip of the iceberg

    and media coverage has been minimal

    i read more than 40 russians currently banned.

    i think when the B samples are done and bans get handed down the media might assess the implications of 2012 athletics medallists now banned. (conceivably it was the dirtiest games ever, or a least could look that way when all's said and done). someone needs to write this piece in the next few months. (maybe post WC) with a look at all T&F medallists. there are some significant medals that went to people who (it is now obvious) were doping at the time.

    with kenyan positives it will depend on names. it's massive if it's rudisha and mutai but very possible to be only people little known outside of letsrun.com or kenya.
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    Re: Athletics
    « Reply #97 on: July 17, 2013, 09:48 »
    Here I am again to draw a cycling comparison.

    To me this sounds similar to, or even bigger than, Fuentes.
    But will it have the same impact on the sport as Fuentes, and the same media coverage?
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    Re: Athletics
    « Reply #98 on: July 17, 2013, 09:53 »
    Here I am again to draw a cycling comparison.

    To me this sounds similar to, or even bigger than, Fuentes.
    But will it have the same impact on the sport as Fuentes, and the same media coverage?

    This might be a game changer Fus , if Festina caused the birth of WADA , this might change sport forever. Not just Athletics , sport period.

    Track and Field is the the Olympics in many respects ( an argument for another day ) the ripple that we are seeing is nothing , especially in the female side of things as for the information I have, massive changes in sport and the way people ( the average ) view sport could be altered forever if things continue as they have for the last month
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    Re: Athletics
    « Reply #99 on: July 17, 2013, 10:23 »
    i agree, if it keeps going like this the casual observer (which makes up most of the olympic audience world wide) will start to say things like "but if they're all doping, what's the point of the olympics", (which i'm sure we've all heard about cycling.."but why do you get excited about cycling, aren't they all cheating?")

    olympics without athletics immediately becomes pretty sh**
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    Re: Athletics
    « Reply #100 on: July 17, 2013, 20:19 »
    It may take someone big to get busted, two big guns just got busted along with a couple of others on the women's side but it seems like Athletics want that best in the world type. Here in Britain if a British Olympic gold medal winner athlete was found out then the outrage would be massive, would certainly allow the bonfire to ignite.
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    Re: Athletics
    « Reply #101 on: July 17, 2013, 20:26 »
    Athletics hold a special place in people's hearts because even if you have not watched one diamond league race the entire year or the world championships you still will turn on the TV come the Olympics and cheer on your athlete as if you have been following them since their wee years

    The fan structure is entirely different to that of cycling and that only accentuates the fact that it is of utmost importance that the IAAF are onto this immediately, which is a shame because from the noises I have been hearing they do not seem to be.
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    Re: Athletics
    « Reply #102 on: July 17, 2013, 20:48 »
    i read more than 40 russians currently banned.

    i think when the B samples are done and bans get handed down the media might assess the implications of 2012 athletics medallists now banned. (conceivably it was the dirtiest games ever, or a least could look that way when all's said and done).

    Lol i remember last year I said the olympics were dirty and was shut down by all my friends. The bbc and everyone guaranteed that it was the cleanest games ever. Armstrong was an example of how dirty things were before and 2012 was an example of how clean everything is now.

    I remember supposed expert Michael Johnson telling us that the olympics was greatest ever cos the 100m (one of only 3 events he gives a sh*t about even though bbc employ him to talk about whole olympics :fp) was clean and he guarantees its clean.

    Victor Conte was telling people what flaws there are in testing, that his own doping methods from 10 years ago could have passed the testing  and was told to flip off and basically portrayed as a bitter man trying to sell a book. Dick Pound pointed out that the out of competition testing was a joke but was drowned out by the olympic slogan that they had "10 000 tests" and that the tests were "more advanced than ever" (which itself means nothing since the drugs are also more advanced than ever)

    Worst of all Just last month there was an interview in ES (another Russian oligarch backed organization, for those who dont live here) with the chief of UKADA and he said that the 2012 olympics were the gold standard example of what happens when anti doping works.


    I never even thought 2012 was the dirtiest olympics. 2000 I heard they did some random no implication tests a few years down the line and 30% was positive.

    But it just shows, those who are 100% in the right (such as Mr Pound)  and follow principles rather than the money trail ultimately lose to those who are either ignorant or deliberately lying. The scandals wont get 1/100th of the airtime the events did. No one is going to apologize to Justin Gatlin for the brutal treatment they gave him on air for "cheating Tyson Gay out of a medal". The presenters arent going to apologize to that italian walker who handled his doping positive  with Rasmussen 2013 like honesty for saying he tarnished the olympics.
    The German sprinter who said he didnt believe the 100m is not going  to get aplogies from the tens of thousands who spammed his sites with vitrol of the worst kind.  And ben Johnson probably deserves one too considering he did nothing different to anyone else n that final yet he is persona non grata and Carl lewis gets carried around on a golden throne. And so on.  Everyone who profited from the doped performances with the exception of the athlete himself continues to profit, and they wont dare give any credit to those who were right.

    This isnt even about performances or suspicion. there were cracks  in the system yet the media preffered to ducktape those who pointed it out and  cover up the cracks with old newspapers because it was too important to sell the olympics as a utopia. And now one by one cracks bring down the cielings, burying those inside, but the house has been sold, and no one particularly cares anymore.

    And 3 years from now when its time to sell again, they will hire unskilled  workers to quickly rebuild the house on top of the rubble and the bodies, cutting corners in exactly the same way, without taking any care as to weather it can actually stand or not, they will sell it again  and the same thing will happen.
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    Despite the self-serving data benders and associated propaganda to the contrary, I am led to believe that there are pockets of organised, highly sophisticated dopers, even within 'new age' cycling teams. Personally, I don't accept that the 'dark era' has ended, it has just morphed into a new guise.

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    Re: Athletics
    « Reply #103 on: July 17, 2013, 20:58 »

    with kenyan positives it will depend on names. it's massive if it's rudisha and mutai but very possible to be only people little known outside of letsrun.com or kenya.

    Kenya has been heavily linked to doping last 2 years with some ferrari like characters caught working there, though you probably know that already. Anyway theres actually quite a lot of big names from Kenya. Rudisha has for some reason been made into the biggest (im guessing simply cos he is young and coe likes him) but in 2009 they were third in the medal table, loads from 2008 as well and have dominated the marathon scene in recent years with 9 of the 10 fastest times ever being Kenyans since 2009.
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    Re: Athletics
    « Reply #104 on: July 17, 2013, 21:05 »
    Indeed Kenya is massively dodgy..

    I quoted up threadtwo of their former top World Champions who both tested positive and shed light on the corruption. Saying the levels in Kenya are ridiculous and bribing is extreme. A lot of positives from there as well

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    « Reply #105 on: July 17, 2013, 21:11 »
    This might be a game changer Fus , if Festina caused the birth of WADA , this might change sport forever. Not just Athletics , sport period.

    Track and Field is the the Olympics in many respects ( an argument for another day ) the ripple that we are seeing is nothing , especially in the female side of things as for the information I have, massive changes in sport and the way people ( the average ) view sport could be altered forever if things continue as they have for the last month

    the thing though is, time heals all wounds. With cycling we have the Tour every year which everyone knows about and then giro and vuelta with audiences of 50 million each apparently and classics and worlds. Positives get plenty of airtime and plenty of opportunities to discuss.

    The blue ribbon events in athletics are bigger, but they happen once every 0.75 years. The rest of the time there are only very small events with little prestige (apart from marathon) so dopers get quickly forgotten. Not to mention any doper only won 1 event, 1 of 20 so they only cheated a small % of the athletes to begin with.
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    Re: Athletics
    « Reply #106 on: July 17, 2013, 21:18 »
    Athletics hold a special place in people's hearts because even if you have not watched one diamond league race the entire year or the world championships you still will turn on the TV come the Olympics and cheer on your athlete as if you have been following them since their wee years

    Not me, I didnt watch a single athletics event in the olympics, i cant even tell you what discipline the big names take part in.

    Watched a lot of the Paralympics
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    « Reply #107 on: July 19, 2013, 22:50 »
    Mo Farah just came 2 seconds off the 1500m world record on one of his first attempts.
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    « Reply #108 on: July 19, 2013, 23:12 »
    Athletics hold a special place in people's hearts because even if you have not watched one diamond league race the entire year or the world championships you still will turn on the TV come the Olympics and cheer on your athlete as if you have been following them since their wee years

    I think you say that largely because due to your age and location,  your main experience with  the olympics will have been with the most recent one, which took place in your home city, and your home country. (and maybe the one before which had a sort of a - its our olympics next feeling)

    Naturally it was pumped up to insane levels  due to doping funding support etc the host country like any host country managed to overachieve in every event. Every medal was celebrated, every athlete a houshold name for a minute.
    ANd the media sold this whole olympic spirit thing and talked about how the olympics would change things for ever bla bla bla.  London 2012 was the biggest thing ever in London and Britain.

    But trust me when you are not the host country it will die down big time.

    And once the "olympic legacy" (cringe, most overused term ever) dies down, it wont be half the event it was in 2012. And if Britain's performance drops people will care even less. 

    I was in Spain on the eve of the thing (flew back during the olympic ceremony, saw the stadium lit up  from the plane) and no one gave a sh*t. There was far more concern in trying to find out who christiano ronaldo has been banging lately and usual football rumours.  Even in the days before it when i said i was from london no one would ask about the olympics, though they would ask about the english football team. Yet if you look at Spain's culture in early 90's there is a lot of mentions of Barcelona 92, and at the time that was huge there too.

    Thats partly because Spain isnt very good at the olympics these days. But most countries aren't.  People still watch it of course but the numbers are nowhere near as big, and significant only if someone from that country is a favourite for the event. I spent every olympics apart from the last one in Poland  and it was never that big apart from the days when a Polish athlete was a favourite for a gold medal (usually about 2)
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    Re: Athletics
    « Reply #109 on: July 20, 2013, 08:26 »
    Disagree Hitch maybe it is because of your age and countries that you spend time in.

    Athletics is one of the biggest profile sports imo and WC and Olympics are generally watched by a huge amount of people .

    Football is huge in Europe and probably to most watched sport, but an athletes world wide melt down dopingwise  would have bigger impact that a football dopingwise meltdown imo.

    Football they would just move on, athletes represents the Olympics which the masses still see as the pinnacle of sports.

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    Re: Athletics
    « Reply #110 on: July 23, 2013, 22:07 »
    Actovegin returns to elite athletics!

    Some of the supplements were commonplace, like vitamin C, vitamin D and the pain reliever Aleve. But the e-mail stated that Xuereb had also injected Powell with exotic substances like Actovegin

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/16/sports/agent-blames-trainer-for-sprinters-failed-drug-tests.html

    What's lost in the article is the agent knew the athletes are doping.  It's not cheating until you get caught.  Then and only then is Galea and his associate are a problem.

    “There are many different things he was giving them, and we still don’t know which one caused the positive test,” Doyle added. “Most of the supplements he gave were for recovery or energy during workouts.”

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    Re: Athletics
    « Reply #111 on: July 27, 2013, 12:35 »
    BOLT

    http://lite.epaper.timesofindia.com/getpage.aspx?pageid=30&pagesize=&edid=&edlabel=CAP&mydateHid=27-07-2013&pubname=&edname=&publabel=TOI

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    BOLTS WORLD RECORD RUN WAS SUCH A DRAG!

    Poor aerodynamics force Bolt to put in superhuman effort each time

    Jamaicas Usain Bolt established himself as the fastest human on Earth when he smashed the the 100m world record at the Berlin World Championship four years ago with a time of 9.58 seconds.Scientists at the National Autonomous University of Mexico have finally succeeded in calculating how much power the athlete generated to achieve his record-breaking feat.At 6ft 5in in his socks and weighing 94kgs,Bolt is not exactly a model of aerodynamics.His powerful but tall frame is far from that of typical sprinters who are usually more compact and with a low centre of gravity needed for short bursts and acceleration over 100m.Hence to overcome the air resistance (drag) exacerbated by his frame,Bolt needs to exert more energy than a normal sprinter.Furthermore,in a top-draw race like Berlin he needs to generate it at a much-faster faster rate in the hope of winning it.

    2619.5 watts

    was the maximum power Bolt generated,after only 0.89 seconds of the start.The Mexican researchers discovered that Bolt achieved this power when he was at half of his maximum speed.It demonstrated the almost instant effect of the drag he had to fight against.

    12.2m per sec

    was the terminal velocity Bolt reached and exerted an average force of 815.8 newtons.It is comparable to around a quarter of the terminal velocity that a skydiver in a belly-to-earth freefall position manages to clock,and the force exerted was roughly equivalent to a knockout punch from a heavyweight boxer.

    1.2

    was the drag
    coefficient Bolt had (taking into account all elements,such as altitude,the days temperature,crosswinds etc).Bolts a figure less aerodynamic than the average human.In addition,Bolt exerted 81.58kJ of energy during the 9.58 seconds,but only 7.79 per cent of this was used to achieve motion;the remaining 92.21 per cent (75.22 kJ) was absorbed by the drag.

    3,700-plus watts

    power was what Ukrainian weightlifter Oleksiy Torokhtiy (105kg,London Olympics gold) seemed to generate for the second movement in the clean and jerk.Torokhtiys first movement consisted of 2,200-plus watts of power.To beat Bolt,a fellow sprinter would have to generate power almost twice to that of a Tour de France cyclist in the closing stages of a sprint.Tour cyclists are known to run at about 500 watts for hours and can hit output of 1500 watts in short bursts.In comparison,US swimmer Michael Phelps has an output of more than 2,500 watts when breaking records in the pool.British rower Steve Redgrave managed a maximum of around 500 watts during his five Olympic gold medals.
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    « Reply #112 on: July 27, 2013, 14:00 »
    That can't be true. Gabby Logan and Sep Coe said yesterday on bbc that Bolt has to be clean because he runs so fast, dopers don't train ergo they can't run as fast as clean athletes who aren't lazy ergo train. Also Bolt had natural progression ergo he is clean just like how Farah and Froome had unnatural progression ergo are also clean.

    What the flip does a ragtag newspaper like the Times of India know compared to the guy who profited most from the olympics and a smiley face presenter?

    India is just jealous they didn't win any medals at the olympics is all.
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    « Reply #113 on: July 27, 2013, 22:10 »
    Um that article doesn't imply doping though. The Angel Medina/Hernandez thing was more compelling.
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    « Reply #114 on: July 29, 2013, 00:05 »
    good post hitch

    If Bolt loses 20 kg and starts training at Tenerife he will run sub 9.00 next year
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    « Reply #115 on: July 29, 2013, 00:42 »
    Very interesting interview of Victor Conte of BALCO notoriety by San Francisco sportswriter Scott Ostler. Much of the interview discusses the case of Ryan Braun, who as most Americans will probably know, is a Major League Baseball player who tested positive for testosterone in 2011, got off on a technicality, then was busted recently based not on a positive, but on his association with Biogenesis, a now-defunct drug lab that as many as perhaps two dozen other MLB players were associated with, and are now awaiting suspensions of their own. Back in 2012, when he got off, Braun engaged in a PR campaign that would have done Armstrong proud, accusing the testers of contaminating his samples. So now, when he has basically admitted, sort of, that he was positive then ("mistakes were made"), he is reviled throughout the American sports world. Conte also discusses Bolt and other Jamaican sprinters, who he clearly believes are not only doping, but are protected:

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    Ostler: What do you know about Biogenesis.

    Conte: They were using growth hormone, and various forms of testosterone. (For the testesterone delivery) They used Troches, they’re like Life Savers, and they have 30 different flavors—you want raspberry, you want bubble-gum, you want cinnamon—typically these have 75 milligrams of testosterone, and somewhere between 5 and 10 percent of it gets absorbed, and it’s my understanding that the guys were popping a couple of these per day. And what that means is, say you absorb on average 10 percent, well that’s a total of 150 milligrams (total), so you would absorb about 15 milligrams per day. A healthy male produces about eight milligrams per day, so you can double and even triple your testosterone level.

    But it’s the timing. . .When you take this stuff, it peaks at about four hours, and by six hours after you take it, you’re back down below the (allowable) 4-to-1 T-E ratio. So all they gotta do is, after a game, even if they finish at 10 o’clock, they take it, and by the time they wake up they already have a normal T-E ratio.

    Ostler: How did Braun get caught?

    Conte:  When they bake these (drugs) in what they call compound pharmacies. . .maybe they made it and there was a variation of the dosage, or (Braun) used it a little bit too late the night before, therefore his T-E ratio was elevated that next day. Whatever the reason, he knows what he was doing.

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    the problem is that they’re not doing this carbon-isotope testing, CIR testing, which will detect the use of synthetic testosterone for up to two weeks. . .I’d be willing to bet that (MLB) tests urine samples (with CIR testing) in less than five percent (of tests), and likely less than one percent.

    Well recently they came out with another statement that proves I was right, they said, “We’ve revised our policy, and we’re now (CIR) testing 10 percent of the samples.” I believe it was less than one percent. They were using it as a confirmatory test, not as a screen test. [Note: This is correct. WADA (which MLB is not signed on to) uses the CIR only if an athlete exceeds the 4:1 T/E ratio. Conte is probably correct when he says that if all samples were tested using CIR, they could catch more dopers. But in addition to being more expensive, the test takes longer to analyze, and as we saw with Floyd's case, the results may be open to more than one interpretation].

    Ostler: So if they’re testing, say, 10 percent with the CIR testing, should they be testing more?


    Conte: I do believe they should be testing more. All along, what I’ve been telling the Olympic officials, and WADA, that you need more intelligence with your testing. You should be target-testing people. So if you gather intelligence or there’s a rumor, or if all the sudden some guy is racking up this big spike in his numbers in performance [Hello, Chris Davis], then you target-test that guy. . .There needs to be some kind of target testing.

    Their argument (against more use of CIR testing) is, “This is too expensive.” Well, the test costs $400. . .The two biggest loopholes in major league testing are, one, this (allowable) T-E ratio of 4-to-1, when normal ratio is 1-to-1, and you can fly under that radar.

    The second problem, and probably even a bigger loophole, is offseason testing. They can test up to 375 players, or about 30 percent of MLB, and they only test about 50 players, or less than 5 percent. If you’ve got a genuine interest in busting people, you put your hook and line in the pond when you know the fish are biting. They’re not doing that. So a lot of this, I believe, is propaganda. They’re out there promoting, “We’re doing this and we’re doing that, the toughest testing in American sports,” but I believe it’s all a joke.

    Here’s what my understanding is. . .They test in spring training, then, shortly after training camp, early in May, damn, these high-profile players get tested again, and in most cases, what does that mean? Green light, open season, “I’ve  had both tests.”

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    Ostler: What about the Jamaican stuff (sprinters busted for alleged use of steroids)?


    Conte: Well I’ve believed for a long time that it is state-sponsored doping. I believe the Jamaican Olympic Committee is in on it, I believe the Jamaican Anti-Doping Commision is in on it, I believe they’re being tipped off. When Usain Bolt gets a $6 million piece of beachfront property in exchange for winning the gold medals, this is tremendous for tourism in Jamaica—and understand, these are my opinions, right?—and I said this a long time ago, I’m highly suspicious of this, and I’m going to tell you when it started.

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    I know all the track writers, and in the mixed zone under the stadium in Beijing, they said when (Jamaican) athletes came into the mixed zone to do interviews with the media, that Herb Elliott, who is the head of  (Jamaican anti-doping), the medical director who is in charge of collecting the urine samples from the athletes, was chest-bumping with all the guys on the relay team!
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    Re: Athletics
    « Reply #116 on: August 08, 2013, 17:47 »
    The entire Jamaican national athletics team of 44, including sprint champion Usain Bolt, was target-tested in Moscow on Monday in what is believed to be the first time a full team has been tested. It came after six Jamaican track stars recently failed drug tests, among them former world 100-metres record holder Asafa Powell and multiple world and Olympic sprint champion Veronica Campbell-Brown. Champion American sprinter Tyson Gay also recently tested positive, while 40 Turkish athletes have been banned for two years by their athletics federation for doping offences.Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/sport/athletics/risks-rule-out-supplements-says-australia-coach-20130808-2rksq.html#ixzz2bPBlrD4b
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    Re: Athletics
    « Reply #118 on: August 08, 2013, 19:57 »
    The entire Jamaican national athletics team of 44, including sprint champion Usain Bolt, was target-tested in Moscow on Monday in what is believed to be the first time a full team has been tested.

    IAAF would have no choice but to not process a Bolt positive.  The American Track and Field federation won't process positives either. Does anyone but me remember when riders were leaving USPS then getting AAF's?  Seems to me like that story is being replayed in Jamaica.  Bolt's clean. He's never tested positive after all..

    IAAF is lousy with dopers.  Letsrun doing good work here asking Ms. Jeter an obvious question after medaling:  http://www.letsrun.com/2012/banned-0809.php
    Now, yes, he was banned for the time you said. That does not mean, that he cannot be of management. He cannot be an agent. He comes to meets that I am at, because he is a great supporter of mine. That's why Mark Block comes to things you might see me at because he loves and cares about not only me but other athletes that are a part of Total Sports.

    I love that workaround.  He's not my agent allegedly supplying PED's.  He's a manager who would not ever supply me with PED's.  Ever. Really.   

    The IOC knew what they were doing when they set up WADA.
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    Re: Athletics
    « Reply #119 on: August 12, 2013, 15:57 »
    Bolt was asked about Hans-Wilhelm Müller-Wohlfahrt last night, said not sure what he treated with exactly  :bouaaaaah

    But calves blood, honey are used regularly

    Anyone why is blood from another animal, ok but not human?
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