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Re: 2017 Teams and Licences Silly Season
« Reply #90 on: October 06, 2016, 20:09 »
So the teams that may in theory be PCT next year but haven't yet filed all of the necessary paperwork are:

Crelan-Verandas Willems
Cycling Academy Team
Earth Pro-Cycling
Funvic Soul Cycles
GM Europa Ovini
Riis Seier Project
Verva Activejet

How many of these will actually ride as PCT teams next year can anyone guess?
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    Re: 2017 Teams and Licences Silly Season
    « Reply #91 on: October 06, 2016, 20:18 »
    Hopefully they will do a better job of representing Colombian cycling than Colombia Coldeportes did.
    That is a very low bar. And I'm pretty sure they will. :cool
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    Re: 2017 Teams and Licences Silly Season
    « Reply #92 on: October 06, 2016, 21:43 »
    So the teams that may in theory be PCT next year but haven't yet filed all of the necessary paperwork are:

    Crelan-Verandas Willems
    Cycling Academy Team
    Earth Pro-Cycling
    Funvic Soul Cycles
    GM Europa Ovini
    Riis Seier Project
    Verva Activejet

    How many of these will actually ride as PCT teams next year can anyone guess?
    Analysing one by one:
    - Crelan-Willems: Have applied for an extension until 20/10, still need to get the all clear from the sponsors. Probability: 60%
    - Cycling Academy: Will be PCT next year, no doubt about that. Probability: 95%
    - Team Earth: Apparently this project is only planned for 2018. Probability: 1%
    - Funvic: Serious, who gives a damn? :P The only big races they did were Tropicale, San Luis, Langkawi, Turkey & Portugal. Probability: 40%
    - GM Europa Ovini: Thinking about a step up, but this is also long-term. Probability: 5%
    - Riis Seier Project: Conflicting rumours on this team. Some say they have several riders lined up, others say it's a stillborn. Probability: 30%
    - VERVA ActiveJet: They've had a big presence in German races this year with sponsor booths etc. It would surprise me if they didn't keep the current level or even step up their game. Probability: 80%
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    Re: 2017 Teams and Licences Silly Season
    « Reply #93 on: October 07, 2016, 09:25 »
    - VERVA ActiveJet: They've had a big presence in German races this year with sponsor booths etc. It would surprise me if they didn't keep the current level or even step up their game. Probability: 80%

    Things don't look that rosy according to folks on Rowery.

    A return to CT or even a complete disappearance could happen. The parent company of ActiveJet (Action SA) has seen a big drop in profits/share price and there hasn't been a great return result-wise (I would say they've had some good performances though from Cieslik and Koch especially).

    They also decided not to ride the Italian races in September because the riders were "tired". That could be true of course, but it could also be them saving some money.
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    Re: 2017 Teams and Licences Silly Season
    « Reply #94 on: October 07, 2016, 10:00 »
    Things don't look that rosy according to folks on Rowery.
    Ah, interesting - but worrying.

    At the German races I was at, Velothon Berlin & Cyclassics Hamburg, the sponsors (or rather, its German subsidiary Star) had big tents and sponsor banners, "fueling your cycling" etc., with pictures of the #verva team.
    It would be weird if, now that people know the brand, all this investment just went out the window with the team disappearing or downgrading.

    They could get Star to contribute a bit of money, pick up some German riders and ride the wave that is Germany's return to the cycling fold ... At least, that's what I would do. ;)
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    Re: 2017 Teams and Licences Silly Season
    « Reply #95 on: October 07, 2016, 20:15 »
    The probability for the Riis-Seier project to become a pro team in 2017 went down to zero today:
    http://ekstrabladet.dk/sport/cykling/riis-holdet-skal-nok-komme/6336325

    They did register their interest in order to be ready if a sponsor showed up, but didn't push for it and didn't apply for a 2017 license.
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    Re: 2017 Teams and Licences Silly Season
    « Reply #97 on: October 14, 2016, 18:26 »
    https://twitter.com/Bike76Com/status/786966118816546816

    The Funvic application is just being held up by "burocracia é grande". Should be okay for 2017, where they hope to have an even more diverse calendar (hopefully that means a bigger calendar too).
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    Re: 2017 Teams and Licences Silly Season
    « Reply #98 on: October 14, 2016, 18:39 »
    The Funvic application is just being held up by "burocracia é grande". Should be okay for 2017, where they hope to have an even more diverse calendar (hopefully that means a bigger calendar too).
    "Even more diverse" calendar isn't promising much, now, is it? They basically only had a calendar until April/May this year. Anything at all in July-September would make it "more diverse".

    Let's hope that they
    a) get the paperwork sorted, and
    b) get a properly professional race calendar for 2017.
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    Re: 2017 Teams and Licences Silly Season
    « Reply #99 on: October 15, 2016, 08:08 »
    C) improve on anti-doping before things get serious


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    Re: 2017 Teams and Licences Silly Season
    « Reply #101 on: October 25, 2016, 15:49 »
    https://twitter.com/inrng/status/790924642764685313

    I hoped they kept the 17. Dimension Data, Aso sponsor, wouldnt have any problems with any big races. and it would have given RCS a chance for 1 more Giro wild card (if they had the stomach to leave DiData home...)
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    Re: 2017 Teams and Licences Silly Season
    « Reply #102 on: October 25, 2016, 15:52 »
    I hoped they kept the 17. Dimension Data, Aso sponsor, wouldnt have any problems with any big races. and it would have given RCS a chance for 1 more Giro wild card (if they had the stomach to leave DiData home...)

    might also mean 8 rider teams
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    Re: 2017 Teams and Licences Silly Season
    « Reply #103 on: October 25, 2016, 16:11 »
    might also mean 8 rider teams

    I think the teams won´t like that. but it would be interesting.
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    Re: 2017 Teams and Licences Silly Season
    « Reply #104 on: October 25, 2016, 16:16 »
    I think the teams won´t like that. but it would be interesting.

    easy sell now

    you get 18th WT

    ASO/RCS get 8 rider teams with 1 extra wildcard

    Not sure anyone can argue with it , the ASO will not ask Dimension Data to kicked off the WT

    the UCI throws them a bone

    The riders/teams association can be told to be quite because the 18th WT team is saved
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    Re: 2017 Teams and Licences Silly Season
    « Reply #106 on: October 27, 2016, 19:16 »
    https://twitter.com/Velorooms/status/791322113185550340

    Down in the second half of the article is this piece of info.

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    Cyclingnews understands that the WorldTour teams will no longer be obliged to ride any of the 10 new World Tour races included in the 2017 calendar and that the points from those race will not go towards any eventual raking that will decide who is relegated.

    If this rule passes, it weakens the importance and prestige of the new races and naturally left the race organisers angry after they have agreed to pay extra fees (~€100k for a stage race) and be burdened by extra cost to be part of the WorldTour.

    So that will just be the two WT teams at Turkey then. ;)

    A lot of the races won't care about this change from a team participation point of view too much, as they'll have no problems getting the WT teams to attend (more than the 70% allowed at HC level), but others may feel a bit short changed - Turkey as mentioned and maybe even California (although they did have 10 WT teams this year).

    Why pay the money though for something that is WT in name only?


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    Re: 2017 Teams and Licences Silly Season
    « Reply #108 on: November 01, 2016, 08:55 »
    So today they announce the final news about WT/PCT teams and licences?

    Bit of a crunch day for Verva.
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    Re: 2017 Teams and Licences Silly Season
    « Reply #109 on: November 01, 2016, 09:04 »
    So today they announce the final news about WT/PCT teams and licences?

    Bit of a crunch day for Verva.
    They do?

    Not holding my breath ... it'll probably come Friday afternoon, as a list of teams, without any comment. :S
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    Re: 2017 Teams and Licences Silly Season
    « Reply #110 on: November 07, 2016, 18:42 »
    As it turns out even Friday afternoon was wildly optimistic.



    At the other end of the spectrum Boyaca won't be continuing at the CT level in 2017.

    http://www.ciclismointernacional.com/noticias-breves-del-peloton/
    http://www.cyclingpro.net/spaziociclismo/continental/boyaca-raza-de-campeones-la-squadra-rinuncia-alla-licenza-continental

    They'll just race in Colombia and "in addition, only elite cyclists will have greater than 26 years, in a surprising decision, given the great results achieved with under 23 in Europe" which frankly I'm a bit gobsmacked about. Are they really just going to let Parra, Florez, Diagama etc go? Hopefully something has just been lost in translation.
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    Re: 2017 Teams and Licences Silly Season
    « Reply #111 on: November 08, 2016, 10:45 »
    Should be today the WT and more PCT teams announcement
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    « Reply #112 on: November 08, 2016, 11:45 »
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    Re: 2017 Teams and Licences Silly Season
    « Reply #113 on: November 08, 2016, 13:08 »
    Should be today the WT and more PCT teams announcement
    Says who?
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    Re: 2017 Teams and Licences Silly Season
    « Reply #114 on: November 09, 2016, 12:23 »
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    Professional Cycling Council approves new regulations for the UCI WorldTour
    09 November 2016
    Following yesterday’s meeting of the Professional Cycling Council (PCC) in Geneva, Switzerland, stakeholders of men’s professional road cycling have agreed a new set of UCI WorldTour regulations for the 2017 season and beyond. These regulations will be published prior to the forthcoming UCI WorldTour seminar, to be held on the 6th and 7th of December in Mallorca, Spain.

    The regulations discussed at yesterday’s PCC meeting centred on those concerning the reform of men’s professional road cycling that has been agreed among stakeholders.

    Since the commencement of the UCI WorldTeam registration process for 2017, it has become clear that there are 18 candidates for UCI WorldTeam licences. With this in mind, the PCC has decided that for the 2017 and 2018 seasons, a maximum of 18 UCI WorldTeam licences may be issued. In the medium term, the ambition is to strengthen the competitiveness of elite level and therefore to set the maximum number of UCI WorldTeams to 17 in 2019 and 16 from 2020 onwards, with a working group tasked to study this and a number of other topics.

    The key elements of the reform that were previously announced are addressed in the revised set of regulations, including an initial period of stability for UCI WorldTeams from 2017, and the incorporation of new UCI WorldTour events into the 2017 calendar (with organisers being given three year initial registrations). The PCC debated further participation rules for events newly entering the 2017 UCI WorldTour calendar, and agreed that those events should invite all UCI WorldTeams but participation would be voluntary.

    Finally, it was decided that UCI World Ranking points scale will now be used also to determine the UCI WorldTour Rankings, removing the complexity of two points scales. Other topics concerning rankings were also addressed, including that from 2017, the leading men’s professional road cycling nation award will be based on the UCI World Ranking (with the UCI WorldTour Nations Ranking no longer assessed).

    UCI President Brian Cookson, said: “We are pleased that a new set of UCI WorldTour regulations have been agreed. We welcome the robust changes which bring about clearer guidelines in relation to team licensing and provide greater financial stability for UCI WorldTeams, as well as expanding the series globally in a sustainable manner.”

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    Re: 2017 Teams and Licences Silly Season
    « Reply #115 on: November 19, 2016, 14:20 »
    The Funvic application is just being held up by "burocracia é grande". Should be okay for 2017, where they hope to have an even more diverse calendar (hopefully that means a bigger calendar too).
    I guess that with three doping positives in 2016, the #funvic application is held up by more than just bureaucracy. :shh
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    Re: 2017 Teams and Licences Silly Season
    « Reply #116 on: November 19, 2016, 18:23 »
    I guess that with three doping positives in 2016, the #funvic application is held up by more than just bureaucracy. :shh

    According to this....

    https://twitter.com/ONTimeSports/status/799709105204105216

    ...it's game over for the team.
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    Re: 2017 Teams and Licences Silly Season
    « Reply #117 on: November 19, 2016, 18:38 »
    According to this....

    ...it's game over for the team.
    Can't say I'm surprised. Neither by the team ending, and by the reason why it does.
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    Re: 2017 Teams and Licences
    « Reply #118 on: November 20, 2016, 11:15 »
    Not surprising but why did the team sign riders in the last weeks. Can it really take that long for an anti doping violation. The team should have known something
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    Re: 2017 Teams and Licences
    « Reply #119 on: November 20, 2016, 11:32 »
    Not surprising but why did the team sign riders in the last weeks. Can it really take that long for an anti doping violation. The team should have known something
    Yes, it can take that long.
    However, I have a hard time believing that the team was totally oblivious - which makes signing new riders all the more of a sh*t move.
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