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Re: Giro 2017 General discussion thread
« Reply #30 on: January 11, 2017, 22:41 »
Because a two up captain strategy always ends well....

To be fair, it might work on other teams, but I can't see it working on this one.

Sky can't even make one captain strategy work well in the Giro, so they might as well try two. Geraint Thomas usually crashes and Mikel Landa usually struggles on time trials. I think Thomas is the better choice on this years route but as a team they have a tradition for starting off with the captain in the giro. If Moscon rides, he'll get the best results  :P
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    Re: Giro 2017 General discussion thread
    « Reply #32 on: January 16, 2017, 13:26 »
    Bit surprised they haven't gone for all four Italian PCT teams, what with the demise of the last official Italian WT team and it being the 100th edition and all that. That's okay though as long as "sporting" reasons play a greater part in the selection and not just money (who am I kidding!).

    Hard to see CCC getting another chance after their effort last time, but you never know. Maybe the trimming of the squad was to free up enough money to get that wildcard and despite a not entirely successful 2016 and the loss of De La Parte, you can still get a pretty decent 9 man team.

    However I wouldn't include them. From a sporting point of view I think Androni bring most to the table with Torres, Gavazzi and Bernal.

    Nippo just shading Willier for the last spot, but neither do too much for me.
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    Re: Giro 2017 General discussion thread
    « Reply #33 on: January 16, 2017, 13:28 »
    in case the potential 2018 Giro start in Japan is a real possibility, Nippo should be a given.

    And yes, so should be Androni I think
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    Re: Giro 2017 General discussion thread
    « Reply #34 on: January 16, 2017, 14:03 »
    CCC/Poland have a possible depart also

    I think Nippo will get one not sure on the last
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    Re: Giro 2017 General discussion thread
    « Reply #36 on: January 18, 2017, 12:54 »
    https://twitter.com/AndroniGiocatto/status/821440079147204608

    come on Joel, we need the full post :D

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    100. Come le edizioni del Giro d’Italia.
    100. Come le ragioni per invitarci al Giro.

    Perché onoriamo sempre le corse a cui partecipiamo
    Perché non siamo mai anonime comparse
    Perché siamo grintosi
    Perché siamo determinati
    Perché stiamo cattivi, sportivamente
    Perché siamo una squadra italiana e ci meritiamo un posto sulle nostre strade
    Perchè diamo posto a tanti italiani
    Perché abbiamo il tricolore nel cuore
    Perché i tifosi si divertono vedendo le nostre fughe
    Perché il Giro è vitale per noi
    Perché stavolta non staremmo zitti di fronte a un’ingiustizia
    Perché non smettiamo mai di sognare
    Perché l’anno scorso l’abbiamo guardato il TV
    Perché l’anno scorso abbiamo tifato per i nostri avversari
    Perché nell’ultimo anno non ci siamo arresi
    Perché nell’ultimo anno abbiamo guardato avanti a testa alta
    Perché i nostri sponsor hanno creduto in noi
    Perché abbiamo un nuovo progetto
    Perché vogliamo raccontarvelo, il nostro progetto
    Perché per noi l’importante non è solo partecipare
    Perché abbiamo una divisa bellissima, grintosa come noi
    Perché l’anno è appena iniziato e abbiamo già portato una vittoria a casa
    Perché il ciclismo italiano ha bisogno di noi
    Perché se non l’aveste letto ve lo ripetiamo:
    Perché Bernal è un grande talento
    Perché Gavazzi è un campione grintoso
    Perché Torres è un tenace che non molla
    Perché Ballerini ha fantasia e creatività in corsa
    Perché Benfatto in volata è esplosivo
    Perché Bonusi è un vincitore generoso
    Perché Cattaneo è perseverante
    Perché Marco Frapporti ha esperienza da vendere
    Perché Mattia Frapporti ha giovane effervescenza
    Perché Malucelli ha una potenza incredibile
    Perché Masnada ha coraggio da vendere
    Perché Pacioni ha una determinazione pazzesca
    Perché Palini va velocissimo
    Perché Rivera è un giovane pieno di sogni e fantasia
    Perché Sosa è agile e scattante
    Perché Spreafico ha una grande costanza
    Perché Taliani ha una passione unica
    Perché Vendrame ha una grande serietà e disciplina
    Perché abbiamo 18 corridori e non potrebbero partecipare tutti. Ma tutti e 18 sognano che la squadra riceva la Wild Card
    Perché se avete letto fino a questo punto ci credete anche voi
    Perché almeno smettiamo di scrivere questi post e iniziamo a parlare di fatti
    Perché stiamo provando a elencando 100 motivi per invitarci al Giro
    Perché il doping lo attacchiamo e lo puniamo
    Perché a fine tappa siamo sfiniti ma troviamo la forza per sorridere ai nostri tifosi
    Perché siamo originali
    Perché abbiamo una nuova pagina instagram da riempire con le foto del Giro
    Perché abbiamo nuove splendide biciclette
    Perché le vogliamo usare sulle nostre strade
    Perché è un giro tutto italiano. Ci vogliono tutte le italiano
    Perché i radiocronisti sudamericani vogliono perdere la voce per noi
    Perché abbiamo tifosi in tutto il Mondo
    Perché se non ci invitano, chi lo dice ai bimbi che aspettano la nostra borraccia?
    Perché se non ci invitano, chi lo giustifica alle aziende Made in Italy che ci supportano?
    Perché altrimenti Gianni Savio chi lo sente?!?
    Perché gli altri motivi, per arrivare a 100, ve li vogliamo dimostrare al Giro
    Perché vogliamo essere agguerriti in corsa, non per essere invitati alla corsa
    Perché #wefightforGiro
    Perché voi sareste il nostro 10° corridore/compagno di squadra in corsa
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    Re: Giro 2017 General discussion thread
    « Reply #38 on: January 18, 2017, 13:44 »
    Not surprised at Androni missing out, but I am surprised that CCC are riding again.
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    Re: Giro 2017 General discussion thread
    « Reply #39 on: January 18, 2017, 14:09 »
    come on Joel, we need the full post :D

    they tweeted that yesterday (and maybe they already felt it would not end in a good way)

    Inrng says NO rider from Androni retweeted that, not one.
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    Re: Giro 2017 General discussion thread
    « Reply #40 on: January 18, 2017, 14:20 »
    Inrng says NO rider from Androni retweeted that, not one.
    yeah, this is because not a single Androni rider is using Twitter though. All riders together have maybe tweeted 10 times over the past month (and yeah, I checked that)
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    Re: Giro 2017 General discussion thread
    « Reply #41 on: January 18, 2017, 14:32 »
    I have to say it's a shame Bernal won't be riding.
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    Re: Giro 2017 General discussion thread
    « Reply #43 on: January 18, 2017, 20:46 »
    RCS are clearly of the view that having four professional cycling teams in Italy is still too many. Perhaps they are aiming to emulate Spain's example and thin their numbers to two.
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    Re: Giro 2017 General discussion thread
    « Reply #46 on: January 20, 2017, 08:51 »
    https://twitter.com/faustocoppi60/status/822362212626931712

    #ccc  #gazprom still stay as suggested on Twitter 1 less rider per team and no increase in Peloton numbers
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    Re: Giro 2017 General discussion thread
    « Reply #47 on: January 22, 2017, 09:18 »
    #bardiani were certain after their Coppa Italia win.
    I can understand inviting #gazprom, they've strengthened their squad with some ex-Tinkoff riders and won a stage last year.
    #wilier were as good as certain - Wilier & Selle Italia are big names in Italy, no matter which riders the team would be able to bring.

    But #ccc? If there's the possibility of a *pl Grande Partenza in the future, why invite them now? Wouldn't it make much more sense to invite them when the race starts in Poland? Give them Strade Bianche, T-A, MSR this year, promise them a wildcard for when the *pl Grande Partenza comes about ... but what do they actually bring to the race this year?
    Let's see: There's one-hit wonder Białobłocki, promising climber Großschartner, proven one-day climber Hirt, Sibiu lucky strike Nikolay Mihaylov, average Pole Paterski, decent Italian one-day specialist Ponzi, Belarussian veteran Samoilau, Czech talents Schlegel and Sisr stagnating Slovenian Tratnik ... that's it. The rest of the team, I would say, wouldn't get a pro contract at a non-Polish team.
    They will be able to field a squad of nine that shouldn't embarrass them - but is that enough for a Giro invite? I think we'll see lots of Sprandi sponsor banners along the race route again. :shh

    Had they not invted #ccc, who should that last spot have gone to - #androni or #nippo?
    Neither team's roster overly excites me, but Androni look to have the better squad on paper. Plus, they have Bernal. So I would have gone for Savio's little helpers. Nippo will have to find more bundles of yen notes and push for that *jp Grande Partenza.

    I can see the logic in Vegni's argument that no team should be invited purely because they're Italian, and that he wants teams to have a concept. And somehow, Savio has always pulled himself out of the swamp by his own lush hair until now. But so far, he's had a loyal main sponsor to rely on - now Androni has gone and left. Will The Silver Fox be able to find a replacement?
    If not, Vegni's 'internationalisation' and 'professionalisation' would have spelled the end of an iconic Italian cycling team that, like them or not (and I find plenty to not like about them), have animated cycling for decades and brought through many talented riders.
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    Re: Giro 2017 General discussion thread
    « Reply #48 on: January 25, 2017, 08:26 »
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    Re: Giro 2017 General discussion thread
    « Reply #52 on: January 30, 2017, 09:55 »
    he should better try to get that (pretty much uncontested?) 4th wild card for the Vuelta
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    Re: Giro 2017 General discussion thread
    « Reply #53 on: January 30, 2017, 11:56 »
    The Silver Fox wants a mixed team

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/savio-pleads-for-mixed-wildcard-team-at-giro-ditalia/

    from memory, the last time a mixed team was invited to a GT was Tour de France 1995 with Telekom-ZG Mobili
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    Re: Giro 2017 General discussion thread
    « Reply #54 on: January 31, 2017, 12:24 »
    from memory, the last time a mixed team was invited to a GT was Tour de France 1995 with Telekom-ZG Mobili
    Yup.
    Nevermind that UCI rules allow mixed teams only at .2 races, and certainly not at GTs ...
    If they take 4 riders from each team, where would the 9th rider come from?
    Or would the room for the team be made by limiting all teams to 8 riders?
    If so, how would the UCI and the already-invited teams like that (very much not)?
    Will it be only Italian riders of the two teams (Team Italia), or a selection between all riders of #androni #nippo?
    What should the team be called in that case - Nippo-Androni Gioccatoli-Sidermec-Vini Fantini?

    Much more questions than answers.

    The Silver Fox wants a mixed team
    I'll translate it to:
    The Silver Fox wants to stay in the public eye while trying to find a replacement sponsor for Androni to continue his team in 2018, since he very well knows that getting into the Giro is near-impossible at this point.
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    Re: Giro 2017 General discussion thread
    « Reply #55 on: January 31, 2017, 12:29 »
    RCS said not happening about 3 min after the story came out I just forgot to post it
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    Re: Giro 2017 General discussion thread
    « Reply #56 on: February 09, 2017, 18:42 »
    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/nippo-vini-fantini-launch-desperate-appeal-for-giro-ditalia-inclusion/

    #nippo now suggest that the UCI lift the 200-rider limit and set it at 210, and that the four wildcard teams start with only 8 riders, making room for two additional wildcard teams.
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    Re: Giro 2017 General discussion thread
    « Reply #57 on: February 10, 2017, 07:52 »
    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/nippo-vini-fantini-launch-desperate-appeal-for-giro-ditalia-inclusion/

    #nippo now suggest that the UCI lift the 200-rider limit and set it at 210, and that the four wildcard teams start with only 8 riders, making room for two additional wildcard teams.

    Just not going to happen
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    Re: Giro 2017 General discussion thread
    « Reply #58 on: February 10, 2017, 08:07 »
    Just not going to happen
    The 2013 Giro had 23 teams, so it's not without precedent that the 200-rider limit is lifted ...
    ... but that was only because Katusha got a WT license from CAS when the Giro had already announced its four wildcards, and the race (rightfully) denied to un-invite any of them.

    So, no, it's not going to happen.
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    Re: Giro 2017 General discussion thread
    « Reply #59 on: February 10, 2017, 10:59 »
     Really, really peed off about this.
    Ad break hell only for the 100th Giro. :(


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    At least it's usually Hatch for the Giro, not the mental motormouth.
    Goodness only knows how Dutch and Belgian fans feel about this.
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