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Re: Mens transfers and Rumors 2017-18
« Reply #30 on: April 19, 2017, 07:44 »
If Quickstep is finishing up - maybe Devenyns - has been good this year.
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    Re: Mens transfers and Rumors 2017-18
    « Reply #31 on: April 19, 2017, 13:23 »
    If Quickstep is finishing up - maybe Devenyns - has been good this year.
    Yes, Dries is an enormous domestique. One of the best. :cool
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    Re: Mens transfers and Rumors 2017-18
    « Reply #33 on: May 04, 2017, 12:15 »
    Dumb dumb dumb
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    Re: Mens transfers and Rumors 2017-18
    « Reply #34 on: May 07, 2017, 20:50 »
    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/katusha-alpecin-say-kristoff-is-too-heavy/

    Kristoff ----------> ??? (possibly)

    Too heavy or not getting enough big wins?

    Time to bin Machado, Taaramachine and Spilak and give more opportunities to Goncalves, Wurtz and Lammertink?
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    Re: Mens transfers and Rumors 2017-18
    « Reply #35 on: May 07, 2017, 21:06 »
    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/katusha-alpecin-say-kristoff-is-too-heavy/

    Kristoff ----------> ??? (possibly)

    Too heavy or not getting enough big wins?

    Time to bin Machado, Taaramachine and Spilak and give more opportunities to Goncalves, Wurtz and Lammertink?
    I don't think this is more than a, let's say, more public approach to motivate him. Maybe it works, maybe not. But at the end of the day, the team is built around Kristoff - what would they do? Let him go and try to get top-10s in the classics with the guys you mentioned? Try to carry Zakarin through a full GT?

    For better or worse, they're stuck with Kristoff, and the other way around.
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    Re: Mens transfers and Rumors 2017-18
    « Reply #36 on: May 07, 2017, 23:16 »
    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/katusha-alpecin-say-kristoff-is-too-heavy/

    Kristoff ----------> ??? (possibly)

    Too heavy or not getting enough big wins?

    Time to bin Machado, Taaramachine and Spilak and give more opportunities to Goncalves, Wurtz and Lammertink?

    I think there is something missing, I would not have been surprised if the journalists have skipped some contextual information to make this look a little bit more interesting. (klick klick for cyclingnews).

    Having said that, my impression is that Torsten Schmidt and/or some other germans in the Katusha organization really wanted to become Bora - that the intention was to become the most interesting  team in the hgih-opportunity german market. They hired Tony to become so - but Bora then came up with the only Peter Sagan you can hire. It is a simple fact that if your business is to sell shampoo, Peter Sagan and Marcel Kittel has a lot more to offer than Alexander Kristoff and Tony Martin.

    The new "international cycling project" Katusha may not be the most solidly funded enterprise in the years to come (I assume Makarov's role in this is all but over now?). They need new income, and in Europe, that is most likely to come from Germany. Germany has a large chunk of Europe's people, corporations and marketing budgets, and (at least until this year) relatively few cycling teams at the WT level.

    In order to come closer to the german market, they could maybe drop one Norwegian star rider. Kristoff is a star in the context he gets good results. This year, not the best (so far) but still he's quite consistent top-10 on any relevant stage/one-day race except the Paris-Roubaix. Instead of Kristoff they may seek to contract a german who's probably the best for shampoo sales in the peloton or another german that can actually win the Paris-Roubaix.  If and when they become available.

    I actually think this is a lot more of an issue with the international (read: german?) Katusha than it was with the Russian Katusha. As for Kristoff, I am not super-concerned: he'll find a new team, the question is which. On WT level there are few obvious candidates but Astana might be one, UAE Emirates another and Team Sky a third candidate, and perhaps the one Kristoff himself would like better. 

    There's only one Pro-conti squad today I could imagine would have the money for Kristoff and that would be #gazprom.

    Another  speculation is that it could be #coop COOP. That is not today's #coop but a COOP built around Kristoff, with WT ambitions. I could see that not happening too, because #coop are now on board with Norway's largest soccer team Rosenborg and ace X-C skier Petter Northug but AFAIK they are also personal sponsors for Kristoff. They would require other sources of funding but maybe with a key Norwegian cyclist available they may be able to find that. One of the reasons earlier attempts like Thor Hushovd's have failed to establish a norwegian PCT or WT team has been that the best Norwegian cyclists preferred to work for #didata and #katusha. You don't pay premium to stand third in line.


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    Re: Mens transfers and Rumors 2017-18
    « Reply #37 on: May 08, 2017, 22:00 »
    ...and here's an update:  :S  :-x  :o

    I don't know exactly what's going on, but some forces have obviously been put in motion.
    Today there was a quite long segment on Kristoff in national broadcaster's main news show Dagsrevyen. This rarely happens - the total amount of cycling coverage was about twice of what you get for a monument in this channel. Note that NRK is not a cycling broadcaster in Norway, all races belong to TV2 + Eurosport (both channels have Norwegian commentary and the occasional previews with national interviewers and so on). In other words, this was a rare occasion.

    Let me start by informing that prior to this season some changes were made in Kristoff's preparations. Supposedly he was too early in shape and not strong enough to win the sprint on the flat stages in the Tour de France, and Katusha wanted to see him in shape slightly later (Paris-Roubaix is the monument left to win for him, and it's proving to be a challenge) and picking the stage wins he didn't pick in 2016 for Tour de France. Kristoff responded by adjusting the timing of his preparations but also training more strength for those sprints against Kittel, Greipel and Sagan. Judged solely on P-R this wasn't a great success. On the other hand some flattish sprints haven't been that bad if not that important, and he has beaten most others, including Kittel, on a good day.
    This was the strategy for this year and it appears it is now officially dropped, with no real public explanation.

    The announcement which occupied national news today: Kristoff is back training for the hills and the World Championship is the primary objective. This was backed with footage of Kristoff and some #coop guys climbing a steep hill several times. Obviously he is not going to do Liege-Bastogne-Liege but in previous years he practised more explosive climbs and that probably served him better for the Flanders races, which I think are the races he love the most.
    At times he has also climbed rather well, ie good enought to almost win a Paris-Nice stage that featured a climb to Chalet Reynard on the Mont Ventoux. The quietly remarkable effort by Kristoff and team only landed a 2nd place thanks to a brave solo by #astana Lutsenko. 

    The questions are, why the change, and why now?
    I don't really know, pick whatever reason suits you:

    • The Katusha management said Kristoff was overweight
    • Edvald Boasson Hagen has had a weak spring season and Kristoff (and Katusha) sees the opportunity to challenge his leadership for the Worlds
    • The World Championship organization for Bergen 2017 is behind schedule with regards to fund raising and this was a determined drive from NCF and maybe even NIF to put cycling on front page to raise attention and attract new sponsors. Kristoff and Boasson Hagen are the names that are recognized in Norwegian mass markets, not Eiking, Skjerping and Stake Laengen. Former U23 champions are in-between.
    • Someone in Katusha have reviewed the stage profiles for Tour de France more thoroghly and determined that the sprints will be won by climbing some hills so fast Kittel and Greipel chokes (not to mention Cavendish) and leaving Kristoff to battle it out against #bora Sagan,  #direct Coquard,  #ag2r Holst Enger, and other "climbing" sprinter types. (#orica Albasini #orica Cort #orica Ewan #orica Gerrans #orica #orica and in addition #sunweb Matthews)
    • your alternative explanation goes here


    So in other words, we can mostly only speculate about this, but it really seems that a decision has been made to change plans for some reason.

    (The other announcement was. Kristoff named the Belgian team as obvious favorites for the Worlds. It's war :lol )

    PS: Mr Moderator ... all these posts could also rather belong in the Katusha tread.... I don't know!
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    Re: Mens transfers and Rumors 2017-18
    « Reply #38 on: May 09, 2017, 10:03 »
    PS: Mr Moderator ... all these posts could also rather belong in the Katusha tread.... I don't know!
    Feel free to post it there as well. ;)
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    Re: Mens transfers and Rumors 2017-18
    « Reply #40 on: May 16, 2017, 13:16 »
    Le Coq is going to a new team #direct have confirmed
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    Re: Mens transfers and Rumors 2017-18
    « Reply #41 on: May 16, 2017, 15:09 »
    Le Coq is going to a new team #direct have confirmed
    Woah.

    I don't see him moving to a non-French team, and #cofidis is out of the question with Bouhanni.
    #delko and #fortuneo are 'smaller' than #direct, though #fortuneo wouldn't surprise me very much.
    Still, most likely are #ag2r and #fdj (and #fdj have Démare).

    So, #ag2r getting a sprinter?
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    Re: Mens transfers and Rumors 2017-18
    « Reply #42 on: May 17, 2017, 20:04 »
    RAI TV Beppe Conti´s rumor: Fuglsang to SKY in 2018  :o

    I never wanted to believe Beppe as much as now  ;)
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    Re: Mens transfers and Rumors 2017-18
    « Reply #44 on: June 01, 2017, 16:20 »
    Le Télégramme Jérôme Pineau is putting together a new team which could include Bryan Coquard via CN
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    Re: Mens transfers and Rumors 2017-18
    « Reply #45 on: June 02, 2017, 09:10 »
    Le Télégramme Jérôme Pineau is putting together a new team which could include Bryan Coquard via CN
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    Interesting. Maybe his old buddy Chavanel, too? :shh
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    « Reply #46 on: June 02, 2017, 09:22 »
    :o
    Interesting. Maybe his old buddy Chavanel, too? :shh

    As a DS maybe ?
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    Re: Mens transfers and Rumors 2017-18
    « Reply #47 on: June 05, 2017, 11:36 »
    http://www.radsport-news.com/sport/sportnews_104042.htm

    Dillier ------> ?????

    Silvan a bit cheesed off that he's been booted off the TdS team so TJVG and Dennis can ride.

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    Re: Mens transfers and Rumors 2017-18
    « Reply #53 on: June 08, 2017, 08:48 »
    Froome #sky ---- #bmc rumor

    Some issues he has a 2018 contract plus

    https://twitter.com/inrng/status/872707503511023616
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    Re: Mens transfers and Rumors 2017-18
    « Reply #54 on: June 08, 2017, 09:10 »
    Froome #sky ---- #bmc rumor

    That's so left field, even we wouldn't come up with it!
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    Re: Mens transfers and Rumors 2017-18
    « Reply #55 on: June 08, 2017, 10:00 »
    remember Porte has still to agree to re-up his BMC contract after 2017. while other BMC riders already have
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    Re: Mens transfers and Rumors 2017-18
    « Reply #58 on: June 08, 2017, 18:08 »
    https://twitter.com/TeamDEN_fr/status/872836688116146176

    Coquard´s freed a spot and some wages. at this rate Voeckler should continue too
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    Re: Mens transfers and Rumors 2017-18
    « Reply #59 on: June 09, 2017, 16:18 »
    Debunked -> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/froome-signing-for-bmc-is-complete-rubbish/
    I don't know about debunked, as I don't put much faith in Froome's denial - but I will gladly tell you that I sure HOPE there is no truth to it. I do not want to see Porte riding for Froome again. Let Froome earn his own wins, if he can.  :o
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