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Which "fall from grace" (WT->Conti) rider should we go for?

DE LA FUENTE RASILLA David   27
PAULINHO Sergio Miguel Moreira   25
RUIJGH Rob   21
RUJANO GUILLEN Jose Humberto   11
BOUCHER David   8
ROE Timothy   7
VORGANOV Eduard   6
SILVESTRE Fabio Andre Tomas   1
DE MAAR Marc   0
BELTRAN SUAREZ Edward Alexander   0

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Re: Collective CQ team 2017
« Reply #270 on: December 30, 2016, 16:12 »
Volderke :P

Wouldn't really help us close the points gap though

Edit: nvm Verandas Willems is Pro Conti next year :P
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    Re: Collective CQ team 2017
    « Reply #271 on: December 30, 2016, 19:49 »
    Do you want to take a vote on Kamna + Vanmarcke rather than Schachmann and Guardini?
    Does Arrodondo really meet the requirements, he is pro conti not conti next year

    Zoidl, Gaudin and F Ludvigsso all meet the requirment, not sure of any others
    If I had any say around these parts, I'd go for Kämna, Vanmarcke and Zoidl.

    But I don't. :P :lol
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    Re: Collective CQ team 2017
    « Reply #272 on: December 30, 2016, 20:53 »
    Do you want to take a vote on Kamna + Vanmarcke rather than Schachmann and Guardini?
    Poll set up. All and sundry[1], come and vote! :cool
     1. actually, only those involved in the collective team
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    Re: Collective CQ team 2017
    « Reply #273 on: December 31, 2016, 08:07 »
    Folks won't be around much until 2nd/3rd

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    Re: Collective CQ team 2017
    « Reply #274 on: December 31, 2016, 12:54 »
    Does Arrodondo really meet the requirements, he is pro conti not conti next year

    Zoidl, Gaudin and F Ludvigsso all meet the requirment, not sure of any others

    I would say he does not. With the likely swap of those two riders voted for currently we would have 28 (17 for Arredondo + 11 left) points available for someone else

    I just had a quick look, some of those riders in that price range we could go for instead (in case it doesn't need to be step down from WT to conti this season, but generally) are:

    DE LA FUENTE RASILLA David   27
    PAULINHO Sergio Miguel Moreira   25
    RUIJGH Rob   21
    RUJANO GUILLEN Jose Humberto   11
    BOUCHER David   8
    ROE Timothy   7
    VORGANOV Eduard   6
    SILVESTRE Fabio Andre Tomas   1
    DE MAAR Marc   0
    BELTRAN SUAREZ Edward Alexander   0

    (and I probably missed some, especially among the zero pointers)

    Havy's choice, or another poll?
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    Re: Collective CQ team 2017
    « Reply #275 on: December 31, 2016, 13:12 »
    I would say he does not. With the likely swap of those two riders voted for currently we would have 28 (17 for Arredondo + 11 left) points available for someone else

    I just had a quick look, some of those riders in that price range we could go for instead (in case it doesn't need to be step down from WT to conti this season, but generally) are:

    DE LA FUENTE RASILLA David   27
    PAULINHO Sergio Miguel Moreira   25
    RUIJGH Rob   21
    RUJANO GUILLEN Jose Humberto   11
    BOUCHER David   8
    ROE Timothy   7
    VORGANOV Eduard   6
    SILVESTRE Fabio Andre Tomas   1
    DE MAAR Marc   0
    BELTRAN SUAREZ Edward Alexander   0

    (and I probably missed some, especially among the zero pointers)

    Havy's choice, or another poll?
    LUDVIGSSON Fredrik would be a good choice in my opinion - but he's worth 37 points. So we'd be 9 points short. :(

    I will have a look at my two picks[1] to see if I can replace one of them with a slightly cheaper rider.
     1. Cunego & Offredo; so probably Cunego - we can't leave out Offredo!
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    Re: Collective CQ team 2017
    « Reply #276 on: December 31, 2016, 14:17 »
    will have a look at my two picks[1] to see if I can replace one of them with a slightly cheaper rider.

    Cunego & Offredo; so probably Cunego - we can't leave out Offredo!

    VEEEETO  :angry
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    Re: Collective CQ team 2017
    « Reply #277 on: December 31, 2016, 16:03 »
    VEEEETO  :angry
    Find another rider to be replaced, then. :P
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    Re: Collective CQ team 2017
    « Reply #278 on: December 31, 2016, 16:47 »
    Find another rider to be replaced, then. :P
    nah, for Zoidl maybe, but not for some random little brother
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    Re: Collective CQ team 2017
    « Reply #279 on: December 31, 2016, 20:03 »
    nah, for Zoidl maybe, but not for some random little brother
    Zoidl could be cast as an Italian one-day specialist, is he not? :P
    Or, if not that, I'm sure he's funny! :lol
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    Re: Collective CQ team 2017
    « Reply #280 on: December 31, 2016, 20:23 »
    Zoidl could be cast as an Italian one-day specialist, is he not? :P
    Or, if not that, I'm sure he's funny! :lol

    Possibly if he wasn't Austrian, was good at one-day races or was a specialist in anything other than finishing in the grupetto...
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    Re: Collective CQ team 2017
    « Reply #281 on: December 31, 2016, 22:36 »
    was a specialist in anything other than finishing in the grupetto...
    You're talking about a Bâlea Lac stage winner here! :angry
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    Re: Collective CQ team 2017
    « Reply #282 on: January 01, 2017, 00:43 »
    LUDVIGSSON Fredrik would be a good choice in my opinion - but he's worth 37 points. So we'd be 9 points short. :(

    I will have a look at my two picks[1] to see if I can replace one of them with a slightly cheaper rider.
     1. Cunego & Offredo; so probably Cunego - we can't leave out Offredo!

    Are we allowed to propose swaps in other people's categories?  Juraj might get the same present this year as last from his brother, but even that would mean no improvement, and he has never threatened to get any other result of note.  Antonio Nibali, on the other hand, is a brother with some potential to improve his score (or at least fewer points to lose).
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    Re: Collective CQ team 2017
    « Reply #283 on: January 01, 2017, 01:47 »
    Are we allowed to propose swaps in other people's categories?  Juraj might get the same present this year as last from his brother, but even that would mean no improvement, and he has never threatened to get any other result of note.  Antonio Nibali, on the other hand, is a brother with some potential to improve his score (or at least fewer points to lose).
    I wholeheartedly support this proposal. :cool
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    Re: Collective CQ team 2017
    « Reply #284 on: January 01, 2017, 02:49 »
    Juraj actually had his biggest improvement ever last year and was actually finishing monuments, maybe he can take another step up this year.
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    Re: Collective CQ team 2017
    « Reply #285 on: January 01, 2017, 09:28 »
    Juraj actually had his biggest improvement ever last year and was actually finishing monuments, maybe he can take another step up this year.
    To finishing in the top-50? :P
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    Re: Collective CQ team 2017
    « Reply #286 on: January 01, 2017, 10:28 »
    Yep! I kind of wanted him in my own team as a lol pick but realistically he's not going to do better than 150-200
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    Re: Collective CQ team 2017
    « Reply #287 on: January 01, 2017, 10:36 »
    that's still more than Antonio is capable of though
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    Re: Collective CQ team 2017
    « Reply #288 on: January 01, 2017, 11:03 »
    that's still more than Antonio is capable of though
    Now, now.
    You're talking about a guy who finished 7th on Mount Fuji. He could well become the team's go-to climber for sh*t-small races and score big that way.

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    Re: Collective CQ team 2017
    « Reply #289 on: January 01, 2017, 11:12 »
    I don't know, even if they do. It's very hard for a 3rd-class "pure" climber to score points - they would need to do the Asia Tour, but I very much doubt that. Not that I am too fond of Juraj either, but I can hardly see someone better at the moment. Dayar maybe, but he doesn't fit into the budget anyway
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    Re: Collective CQ team 2017
    « Reply #290 on: January 01, 2017, 12:18 »
    I would say he does not. With the likely swap of those two riders voted for currently we would have 28 (17 for Arredondo + 11 left) points available for someone else

    I just had a quick look, some of those riders in that price range we could go for instead (in case it doesn't need to be step down from WT to conti this season, but generally) are:

    DE LA FUENTE RASILLA David   27
    PAULINHO Sergio Miguel Moreira   25
    RUIJGH Rob   21
    RUJANO GUILLEN Jose Humberto   11
    BOUCHER David   8
    ROE Timothy   7
    VORGANOV Eduard   6
    SILVESTRE Fabio Andre Tomas   1
    DE MAAR Marc   0
    BELTRAN SUAREZ Edward Alexander   0

    (and I probably missed some, especially among the zero pointers)

    Havy's choice, or another poll?

    https://twitter.com/sergiompaulinho/status/815519260621570048

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    Re: Collective CQ team 2017
    « Reply #291 on: January 01, 2017, 12:20 »
    I don't know, even if they do. It's very hard for a 3rd-class "pure" climber to score points - they would need to do the Asia Tour, but I very much doubt that. Not that I am too fond of Juraj either, but I can hardly see someone better at the moment. Dayar maybe, but he doesn't fit into the budget anyway
    I agree with search, I wouldn't pick Antonio over Juraj.
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    Re: Collective CQ team 2017
    « Reply #292 on: January 01, 2017, 12:38 »
    https://twitter.com/sergiompaulinho/status/815519260621570048

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    Re: Collective CQ team 2017
    « Reply #293 on: January 02, 2017, 08:36 »
    Well I think someone needs to make a decision today a to what we do. Does the Kamna + Vanmarcke exchange take us to just below 7500?
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    Re: Collective CQ team 2017
    « Reply #294 on: January 02, 2017, 09:10 »
    Well I think someone needs to make a decision today a to what we do.
    I'm taking up the baton! :yuush
    Since the vote is nearly unanimous (10-1) for Kämna & Vanmarcke, those two replace Schachmann & Guardini.

    Does the Kamna + Vanmarcke exchange take us to just below 7500?
    It takes us from 7041 to 7489 points:

    # rider type Name Points Total left
    #1 GC riderARU Fabio777
    #2 Young GC riderOOMEN Sam336
    #3 Cobbles riderNAESEN Oliver643
    #4 Young cobbles ridePLANCKAERT Edward45
    #5 SprinterVIVIANI Elia275
    #6 Young SprinterMINALI Riccardo26
    #7 The Random RussianMAMYKIN Matvey199
    #8 ITT specialistCAMPENAERTS Victor185
    #9 Young ITT specialistKÄMNA Lennard48
    #10 The Italian 1 day specialistCUNEGO Damiano175
    #11 Coupe de france specialistGOUGEARD Alexis107
    #12 Americas specialistTVETCOV Serghei74
    #13 The One Trick PonyVANMARCKE Sep744
    #14 The Colombian ClimberQUINTANA ROJAS Dayer Uberney181
    #15 The Drugs Cheat (has served a ban)YATES Simon621
    #16 The CX-erOWEN Logan37
    #17 The TrackieKÜNG Stefan225
    #18 The domestiqueSIEBERG Marcel170
    #19 The Glue Factory OneTIRALONGO Paolo49
    #20 The AfricanCRAVEN Dan 35
    #21 The Sponsors Pick (an East Asian)SURYADI Dadi49
    #22 The Injured OnePOWER Robert77
    #23 The Sex SymbolVICHOT Arthur614
    #24 The DanePEDERSEN Mads195
    #25 Team MascotDOULL Owain7
    #26 The Clown aka funny riderOFFREDO Yoann174
    #27 The ClimberLOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel763
    #28 The fall from Grace rider WT -> ContiARREDONDO MORENO Julian David17
    #29 "Had One Good Season A Few Years Ago And Is Bound To Have Another One Soon"?MOSER Moreno281
    #30 The Next Big Thing™BENITO DIEZ Miguel Angel11
    #31 The Non-Traditional Cycling Nation OneKUDUS Merhawi Gebremedhin234
    #32 The less famous brotherSAGAN Juraj115
    #33 The Zero point riderBERNAS Pawel0
    748911

    Since Arredondo isn't riding at Conti level this year, we have to find another rider who's fallen from grace.
    Helpful as ever, search has compiled a list, which I will now put to a vote. Whoever has the most votes by tonight 22:00 (almost 12 hours from now) will get the nod, and I will then send in the team.
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    Re: Collective CQ team 2017
    « Reply #295 on: January 02, 2017, 11:53 »
    Has Bernas got a team yet, if not I have a zero point decision in SOSA CUERVO Ivan Ramiro a young Colombian who will ride for Androni Giocattoli - Sidermec
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    Re: Collective CQ team 2017
    « Reply #296 on: January 02, 2017, 11:58 »
    Bernas will stay with Verva Active Jet

    they still need to sort out the license stuff, but even if they drop down to conti level again it won't make much of a difference for him I guess
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    Re: Collective CQ team 2017
    « Reply #297 on: January 02, 2017, 12:01 »
    Has Bernas got a team yet
    Nobody knows. It's probably still in the balance along with the #verva PCT license.

    if not I have a zero point decision in SOSA CUERVO Ivan Ramiro a young Colombian who will ride for Androni Giocattoli - Sidermec
    I approve of this choice! :cool
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    Re: Collective CQ team 2017
    « Reply #298 on: January 02, 2017, 12:08 »
    well, personally I think changing other people's picks should be an exception. Arredondo didn't fit the requirements (and Havy didn't come up with a replacement, so we had to) - Bernas does. So it's Leadbelly's decision I would say
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    Re: Collective CQ team 2017
    « Reply #299 on: January 02, 2017, 14:06 »
    I say we vote with the poll. Its a collective decision :)
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