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Re: Mclaren Report into Russian Doping
« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2016, 12:09 »
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    Re: Mclaren Report into Russian Doping
    « Reply #3 on: December 09, 2016, 14:19 »
    https://twitter.com/seaningle/status/807181882836205568

    Wow, the report must really be worth reading!! Just released and the author's already been elevated to the peerage (made a Lord for you non-commonwealth folks)!!!!    ;) ;)
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    Re: Mclaren Report into Russian Doping
    « Reply #4 on: December 09, 2016, 14:30 »
    The more interesting conversation - should it actually end up being had - is that, if Russia has such a systematic and institutionalised process of doping, how did so many other countries manage to beat Russian athletes and come away with better medal hauls

    As I see them, the options for answers to that question are pretty simple and slim:
    (a) Russian athletes are really all seriously crap and can only compete when fully juiced. And by "all Russian athletes" I mean 99% of them, not just one or two; or
    (b) all of the major sporting nations have institutionalised drug programmes and Russia needed to get on board with a programme of its own if it wanted to attain what it saw as an appropriate standing in the sporting (success) world. The only difference is that Russia was either arrogant or ham fisted - or some combination of both - in its execution of its programme ... or lacks the institutional power to protect itself that USA or China have.

    Given the combined history of the USSR and Russia ... and a combination of stories related directly to me by ex-elite athletes and the generally fetid state of many sports these days ... my money is firmly on the second option ...

    ... which, to loop back to my opening sentence, means that I hope that we are able to overcome the power of the countries who will be most in the firing line and that this broader conversation is able to be had ...
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    Re: Mclaren Report into Russian Doping
    « Reply #5 on: December 09, 2016, 15:43 »
    The more interesting conversation - should it actually end up being had - is that, if Russia has such a systematic and institutionalised process of doping, how did so many other countries manage to beat Russian athletes and come away with better medal hauls

    As I see them, the options for answers to that question are pretty simple and slim:
    (a) Russian athletes are really all seriously crap and can only compete when fully juiced. And by "all Russian athletes" I mean 99% of them, not just one or two; or
    (b) all of the major sporting nations have institutionalised drug programmes and Russia needed to get on board with a programme of its own if it wanted to attain what it saw as an appropriate standing in the sporting (success) world. The only difference is that Russia was either arrogant or ham fisted - or some combination of both - in its execution of its programme ... or lacks the institutional power to protect itself that USA or China have.

    Given the combined history of the USSR and Russia ... and a combination of stories related directly to me by ex-elite athletes and the generally fetid state of many sports these days ... my money is firmly on the second option ...

    ... which, to loop back to my opening sentence, means that I hope that we are able to overcome the power of the countries who will be most in the firing line and that this broader conversation is able to be had ...

    I asked that on Twitter today as the reports finding came out - got to be the next serious question

    My bet it never gets asked
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    Re: Mclaren Report into Russian Doping
    « Reply #8 on: December 09, 2016, 20:56 »
    I asked that on Twitter today as the reports finding came out - got to be the next serious question

    My bet it never gets asked

    I can't bring myself to like your post - simply because I don't like the prospect of you being right that this question wont be asked ... (and, sadly, I agree with you ...)
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    Re: Mclaren Report into Russian Doping
    « Reply #9 on: December 11, 2016, 08:26 »
    https://twitter.com/ringsau/status/807591340687183872

    more news to pee off well anyone who would like this to be cleaned up
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    Re: Mclaren Report into Russian Doping
    « Reply #10 on: January 20, 2017, 15:40 »
    OK - just going to leave this here without further comment.

    Vitaly Mutko: Russian deputy PM says sex can alter female doping test results
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    Re: Mclaren Report into Russian Doping
    « Reply #12 on: January 22, 2017, 12:52 »
    OK - just going to leave this here without further comment.

    Vitaly Mutko: Russian deputy PM says sex can alter female doping test results
    AKA the "Leukemans defense". Didn't work for Björn; won't work for the Russian bears either, fancy or not.
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    Re: Mclaren Report into Russian Doping
    « Reply #14 on: September 11, 2017, 20:08 »
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/41231674


    So the Russian fight back begins with legal action against WADA and McLaren
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