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La Vuelta 2017 General Discussion
« on: December 13, 2016, 09:23 »
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    Re: La Vuelta 2017 General Discussion
    « Reply #2 on: January 12, 2017, 09:22 »
    leaked route maybe

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    Re: La Vuelta 2017 General Discussion
    « Reply #3 on: January 12, 2017, 14:41 »
    Anyone know whether the route pres will be available in English anywhere? Live.
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    Re: La Vuelta 2017 General Discussion
    « Reply #4 on: January 12, 2017, 15:24 »
    No Idea Joel
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    Re: La Vuelta 2017 General Discussion
    « Reply #5 on: January 13, 2017, 08:26 »


    The route

    The Vuelta a España 2017 will be held from Saturday August 19 to Sunday, September 10, 2017 and will have 21 stages, with a total route of around 3 297.7 kilometers.

    5 flat stages and one flat with top finish
    8 stages mid - mountain
    5 mountain stages
    1 stage team time trial
    1 stage individual time trial

    Testing Features

    13.8 km team time trial
    42 km individual time trial
    50 mountain passes
    2 days off
    NOT ONLY SPAIN
    The 72nd edition of La Vuelta will start for the third time in its history, from abroad. The round will start from the French city of Nîmes, and two stages will be played entirely in French territory. We will also tour Andorra, which will host an arrival and a stage departure.

    BONUSES
    The race remains the same bonus format, which will award 10, 6 and 4 seconds to the first three of each stage, respectively, and 3, 2 and 1 second to the first runners to go through each intermediate sprint

    POINTS
    In addition to being leaders in general, cyclists also fight for the points classification or be the best climbers in each edition. The points are awarded according to the following system: you get 25 points for the first classified stage, 20 the second, 16 the third, 14 the fourth, 12 the fifth and then from 10 to 1 between the sixth and fifteenth. The intermediate sprints reward with 4, 2 and 1 point to the first three cyclists in surpassing each one.

    14 unpublished stage outputs

    Nîmes (output of Step 1)
    Prades Conflent Canigou (output of Step 3)
    Vila-real (output of Step 6)
    Llíria (output of Step 7)
    Orihuela. City Poet Miguel Hernández (output of Step 9)
    Motril (output of Step 12)
    Coin (output of Step 13)
    Alcalá la Real (output of Step 15)
    Circuito de Navarra (output of Step 16)
    Villadiego ( Step out of 17)
    Suances (output of Step 18)
    Case. Redes Natural Park (Exit Stage 19)
    Corvera de Asturias (output of Step 20)
    Arroyomolinos (output of Step 21)

    8 unpublished stage ends

    Nîmes (meta Stage 1)
    Gruissan. Grand Narbonne (meta Stage 2)
    Alcossebre (goal of Step 5)
    ElPozo Food (goal of Step 10)
    Antequera. The dolmens (meta Stage)
    Tomares (goal of Step 13)
    The Machucos. Cow monument Pasiega (goal of Step 17)
    Santo Toribio de Liebana (goal of Step 18)

    Vuelta a España 2017 route:

    Saturday, August 19th – stage 1: Nîmes (France), 13.8km (TTT)
    Sunday, August 20th – stage 2: Nîmes (France) - Gruissan (France), 201km
    Monday, August 21st – stage 3: Prades (France) - Andorra la Vella (Andorra), 158.5km
    Tuesday, August 22nd – stage 4: Escaldes (Andorra) - Tarragona (Spain), 193km
    Wednesday, August 23rd – stage 5: Benicassim - Ermita Santa Lucia, 173.4km (summit finish 1)
    Thursday, August 24th – stage 6: Vila Real - Sagunto, 198km
    Friday, August 25th – stage 7: Lliria - Cuenca, 205.2km
    Saturday, August 26th – stage 8: Hellín - Xorret de Catí, 184km (summit finish 2)
    Sunday, August 27th – stage 9: Orihuela - Cumbres del Sol, 176.3km (summit finish 3)
    Monday, August 28th – first rest day
    Tuesday, August 29th – stage 10: Caravaca de la Cruz - ElPozo Alimentación, 171km
    Wednesday, August  – stage 11: Lorca - Calar Alto, 188km (summit finish 4)
    Thursday, August 31st – stage 12: Motril - Antequera, 161.4km
    Friday, September 1st – stage 13 Coín - Tomares, 197km
    Saturday, September 2nd – stage 14: Écija - La Pandera, 185.5km (summit finish 5)
    Sunday, September 3rd – stage 15: Alcalá la Real - Sierra Nevada, 127km (summit finish 6)
    Monday, September 4th – second rest day: transfer
    Tuesday, September 5th – stage 16: Circuito de Navarra - Logroño, 42km (ITT)
    Wednesday, September 6th – stage 17: Villadiego - Los Machucos, 180km (summit finish 7)
    Thursday, September 7th – stage 18: Suances - Santo Toribio de Liébana, 168.5km (summit finish 8)
    Friday, September 8th – stage 19: Caso - Gijon, 153km
    Saturday, September 9th – stage 20: Corvera - Angliru, 119.2km (summit finish 9)
    Sunday, September 10th – stage 21: Arroyomolinos - Madrid, 101.9km

    More Info http://www.lavuelta.com/la-vuelta/2017/es/recorrido-general.html
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    Re: La Vuelta 2017 General Discussion
    « Reply #7 on: January 13, 2017, 08:33 »
    looks like a decent route for Vuelta standards







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    Re: La Vuelta 2017 General Discussion
    « Reply #9 on: March 27, 2017, 11:16 »
    The Vuelta wildcards have been announced:
    *ie #aquablue Aqua Blue Sport
    *fr #cofidis Cofidis
    *es #cajarural Caja Rural-Seguros RGA
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    Re: La Vuelta 2017 General Discussion
    « Reply #10 on: March 27, 2017, 11:17 »
    The Vuelta wildcards have been announced:
    *ie #aquablue Aqua Blue Sport
    *fr #cofidis Cofidis
    *es #cajarural Caja Rural-Seguros RGA
    *co #manzana Manzana Postobón Team

    woah 2 were expected Mazana folks thought it would be cool but well woah
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    Re: La Vuelta 2017 General Discussion
    « Reply #11 on: March 27, 2017, 11:20 »
    woah
    I don't think it's THAT surprising, really.

    #cofidis & #cajarural were shoo-ins. #manzana have Colombian climbers, #aquablue aren't afraid to spend some money to 'persuade' the organisers.
    Most of all: Who else should they have invited?
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    Re: La Vuelta 2017 General Discussion
    « Reply #12 on: March 27, 2017, 11:22 »
    I don't think it's THAT surprising, really.

    #cofidis & #cajarural were shoo-ins. #manzana have Colombian climbers, #aquablue aren't afraid to spend some money to 'persuade' the organisers.
    Most of all: Who else should they have invited?

    we need to know who asked for wild cards as well but #gazprom and #androni have way better teams than #aquablue and #manzana
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    Re: La Vuelta 2017 General Discussion
    « Reply #13 on: March 27, 2017, 11:27 »
    I don't think it's THAT surprising, really.

    Well I don't have my finger on the pulse, but I am surprised by #aquablue even if they did splash the cash. They are getting massive exposure for a 1st year pro conti team ... more power to them - they have animated a lot of races this year. 3 weeks is v. diff prospect, as I suspect it will be for Manzana.

    As to who else... Prob v valid reasons for not -  but I'd have thought another French  DEN, FVC or even DMP would be good shouts from a racing pov... I leave the other povs out of it


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    Re: La Vuelta 2017 General Discussion
    « Reply #14 on: March 27, 2017, 11:31 »
    The Vuelta wildcards have been announced:
    *ie #aquablue Aqua Blue Sport
    *fr #cofidis Cofidis
    *es #cajarural Caja Rural-Seguros RGA
    *co #manzana Manzana Postobón Team

    :win #manzana :win #manzana :win #manzana :win


    Think that's a good choice, they will be in the break every day and Molano might be able to mix it up in some of the harder sprints.
    Not sure about Aqua Blue but they attack as well, maybe Denifl could win a stage in the break or something.
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    Re: La Vuelta 2017 General Discussion
    « Reply #15 on: March 27, 2017, 11:41 »
    personally I would have preferred Androni (in case they applied for it - probably not) or Wanty over Aqua Blue, but well, it's alright I guess
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    Re: La Vuelta 2017 General Discussion
    « Reply #17 on: March 27, 2017, 12:00 »
    Without knowing who else asked/applied for wildcards it's hard to know who else should have got a place ahead of ABS. It does however appear that they are working hard on ASO given they've also got wildcards to Fleche Wallone and LBL.
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    Re: La Vuelta 2017 General Discussion
    « Reply #18 on: March 27, 2017, 12:03 »
    Aqua are good at getting in breaks lets be honest here, they are not High quality I like the team I like they exist but they are not worthy of a GT in their 1st year as a Pro Conti on the 1st 2 months results

    Manazana great story etc but are not worthy on results of a GT start

    but politics and money 
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    Re: La Vuelta 2017 General Discussion
    « Reply #19 on: March 27, 2017, 12:35 »
    very happy for AquaBlue

    Blythe
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    Brammeier
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    Howard
    Nordhaug
    Fenn
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    former WT riders can make a nice squad
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    Re: La Vuelta 2017 General Discussion
    « Reply #20 on: March 27, 2017, 12:46 »
    Aqua are good at getting in breaks lets be honest here, they are not High quality I like the team I like they exist but they are not worthy of a GT in their 1st year as a Pro Conti on the 1st 2 months results

    Manazana great story etc but are not worthy on results of a GT start

    but politics and money

    Thinking about it it might not all be down to politics and money. It could be a simple case of who's left that wants to ride

    This is a list of all the current Pro Conti teams so those who could get an invite

    SVB    SPORT VLAANDEREN - BALOISE    BEL    EUR    
    VWC    VERANDA'S WILLEMS - CRELAN    BEL    EUR    
    WGG    WANTY - GROUPE GOBERT    BEL    EUR    
    WVA    WB VERANCLASSIC AQUALITY PROTECT    BEL    EUR
    SOU    SOUL BRASIL PRO CYCLING TEAM    BRA    AME    
    MZN    MANZANA POSTOBON TEAM    COL    AME    
    CJR    CAJA RURAL - SEGUROS RGA    ESP    EUR    
    COF    COFIDIS, SOLUTIONS CREDITS    FRA    EUR    
    DMP    DELKO MARSEILLE PROVENCE KTM    FRA    EUR    
    DEN    DIRECT ENERGIE    FRA    EUR    
    FVC    FORTUNEO - VITAL CONCEPT    FRA    EUR    
    ABS    AQUA BLUE SPORT    IRL    EUR    
    ICA    ISRAEL CYCLING ACADEMY    ISR    EUR    
    ANS    ANDRONI - SIDERMEC - BOTTECCHIA    ITA    EUR    
    BRD    BARDIANI CSF    ITA    EUR    
    NIP    NIPPO - VINI FANTINI    ITA    EUR    
    WIL    WILIER TRIESTINA - SELLE ITALIA    ITA    EUR    
    RNL    ROOMPOT - NEDERLANDSE LOTERIJ    NED    EUR    
    CCC    CCC SPRANDI POLKOWICE    POL    EUR    
    GAZ    GAZPROM - RUSVELO    RUS    EUR    
    TNN    TEAM NOVO NORDISK    USA    AME    
    UHC    UNITEDHEALTHCARE PROFESSIONAL CYCLING TEAM    USA

    Of the 4 teams from Belgium only Wanty have ever really shown ambitions for GT's and they've got the tour this year.

    Soulivc probably worse than Manzano and Aqua blue

    The french teams (except Delko) are all riding the Tour and so Delko might have been the one to apply but given there is plenty of racing in France at the same time as the Vuelta they might prefer to ride those. Cofidis go but that was a certainty given they are a sponsor of the race

    Israel cycling academy probably not interested in the Vuelta.

    I would have thought that the 2 Italian teams not to make the Giro might have been interested but who knows and if they did ask the Vuelta after they didn't get into the Giro the Vuelta might have thought "well we're your second choice so no thanks"

    Roompot might have been interested and do have some good riders and I think were rumoured to have tried last year for the vuelta.

    CCC and Gazprom already riding the Giro so perhaps not desperate for a ride at the Vuelta and I don't think the 2 US teams would be interested either.

    So perhaps the Vuelta was just left with a choice from at most

    MANZANA POSTOBON TEAM    
    CAJA RURAL - SEGUROS RGA    
    COFIDIS, SOLUTIONS CREDITS    
    DELKO MARSEILLE PROVENCE KTM
    AQUA BLUE SPORT
    ANDRONI - SIDERMEC - BOTTECCHIA
    NIPPO - VINI FANTINI
    ROOMPOT - NEDERLANDSE LOTERIJ

    And with Caja Rural and Cofidis almost certainties perhaps it was any 2 of the remaining six and for various reasons its ended up at ABS and Manzana
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    Re: La Vuelta 2017 General Discussion
    « Reply #21 on: March 27, 2017, 12:53 »
    makes sense Detective Carol  :cool
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    Re: La Vuelta 2017 General Discussion
    « Reply #22 on: March 27, 2017, 12:59 »
    Of the 4 teams from Belgium only Wanty have ever really shown ambitions for GT's and they've got the tour this year.

    ahh, I forgot about that. Sure, they have no place in the Vuelta then, all fine
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    Re: La Vuelta 2017 General Discussion
    « Reply #23 on: March 27, 2017, 13:44 »
    very happy for AquaBlue

    Blythe
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    former WT riders can make a nice squad
    I like the team and think they can do a good race
    Happy to see them get a wild card
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    Re: La Vuelta 2017 General Discussion
    « Reply #24 on: March 27, 2017, 17:39 »
    Aqua are good at getting in breaks lets be honest here, they are not High quality I like the team I like they exist but they are not worthy of a GT in their 1st year as a Pro Conti on the 1st 2 months results

    Manazana great story etc but are not worthy on results of a GT start
    I went to the trouble of looking up all GT wildcards since 2005. Because I'm crazy like that. :D

    The last team to get a GT wildcard in its very first year of existence (like #aquablue) was #cervelo Cervélo TestTeam in 2009 (and to all three GTs, no less!). Before that, #karpin Karpin-Galicia (Vuelta 2007) is the only example.

    Getting a GT wildcard in the first year as ProConti after a number of years as Conti team (like #manzana) is a bit more common: #fantini15 Nippo-Vini Fantini (Giro 2015), #isd09 ISD (Giro 2009), #vacansoleil Vacansoleil (Vuelta 2009), and #tinkoff07 Tinkoff Credit Systems (Giro 2007).
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    Re: La Vuelta 2017 General Discussion
    « Reply #25 on: March 27, 2017, 21:29 »
    A couple of remarkable invites there, alongside the two most predictable ones in the sport.

    I broadly approve of the Vuelta taking teams which will treat the Vuelta as the central event of their season rather than taking teams for which it will be very much secondary to the Tour or Giro. Particularly when there isn't really an obviously better tier of super strong PCT teams which clearly deserve multiple GTs on merit. Why should Unipublic be particularly interested in having Fortuneo's or Direct Energie's second string, rather than teams that can guarantee that they will send their best riders in peak form?

    Now, that doesn't mean that therefore Manzana Postobon or Aquablue are the only teams fitting that bill. Carlo's post lays out the options well. Did Roompot, say, or Androni seriously pursue a Vuelta invite? We just don't know.
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