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Re: UCI Presidential Elections 2017
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2017, 09:27 »
Do we get a vote?

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    Re: UCI Presidential Elections 2017
    « Reply #2 on: January 19, 2017, 10:18 »
    So Lappartient will be backed by the ASO

    Not really sure which way cycling needs to go to get better, Maybe Tom Van Damme might be best
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    Re: UCI Presidential Elections 2017
    « Reply #3 on: January 22, 2017, 12:57 »
    Do we get a vote?
    If you're a member of your country's cycling federation, you get a vote on who will be that federation's president (normally an indirect one, through choosing delegates). Your country's federation's president (possibly after hearing the opinion of other board members of the federation) then votes for the UCI president.
    So, you kinda sorta do get a teeny-tiny fraction of influence on a vote.

    Of course, the question then is: How many of us are actually members of their country's cycling federation? I'm not, never have. If I got a bigger share of influence on who will lead the UCI, I would actually consider joining - until then, there's little point. I'm not a competitive cyclist myself, I don't need federation membership to participate in some cyclo-tour every odd year.
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    Re: UCI Presidential Elections 2017
    « Reply #4 on: January 22, 2017, 14:04 »
    I'll start from the basis that I don't think Cookson should even be allowed to stand again. One term is always enough as the head of a sport and It would be good if one day someone somewhere would realise this and so do it voluntarliy or even add it to the laws/rules/constitution of the governing body.

    Who ever does take over at the top what I would like to see is someone who is prepared to only oversee the aspects that the UCI can really control and let race organisers get on with running races.
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    Re: UCI Presidential Elections 2017
    « Reply #6 on: March 29, 2017, 01:35 »
    I'll start from the basis that I don't think Cookson should even be allowed to stand again. One term is always enough as the head of a sport and It would be good if one day someone somewhere would realise this and so do it voluntarliy or even add it to the laws/rules/constitution of the governing body.

    Who ever does take over at the top what I would like to see is someone who is prepared to only oversee the aspects that the UCI can really control and let race organisers get on with running races.

    There are times when 2 terms would be good.

    This time ISNT one of those ...  :D   But I dont think a blanket "1 term" policy is a good idea.  I do think term limits are a good idea though and should be included in all of these types of organizations.



    Cookson - we rallied so much behind him purely on a "he has to be better than McQuaid" basis - but has he been?  really?   I dont know about that one.
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    Re: UCI Presidential Elections 2017
    « Reply #7 on: March 29, 2017, 08:26 »
    I for one miss Pat
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    Re: UCI Presidential Elections 2017
    « Reply #8 on: March 29, 2017, 10:42 »
    Cookson - we rallied so much behind him purely on a "he has to be better than McQuaid" basis - but has he been?  really?   I dont know about that one.
    I would say we rallied behind Cookson on a "he's not Pat" basis. The "he has to be better than Pat" part was implied, because we couldn't imagine anyone being worse.
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    Re: UCI Presidential Elections 2017
    « Reply #9 on: March 29, 2017, 10:53 »
    yes you are right - I distinctly remember he was the guy known as "not Pat McQuaid"  ... so perhaps thinking he might be better may have been a stretch.

    Still - he managed perhaps what I would consider as the status quo - which is a low bar I never, ever imagined he would struggle over  :fp
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    Re: UCI Presidential Elections 2017
    « Reply #11 on: June 20, 2017, 18:10 »
    This might get truly feisty
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    Re: UCI Presidential Elections 2017
    « Reply #12 on: June 20, 2017, 22:24 »
    This might get truly feisty
    Yeah, I think it already is. Sounds like Cookson is kinda ticked off about Lappartient running.

    I would say we rallied behind Cookson on a "he's not Pat" basis. The "he has to be better than Pat" part was implied, because we couldn't imagine anyone being worse.

    Yeah. Something like that, for sure. I have to say I think he has been an improvement, but there is so little improvement that it is a bit shocking. And a lot of areas just don't seem to have made any improvement. And then there were the ill-thought out changes that just got everybody up in arms. A little bumbling?

    I do see that Cookson got a 2-term term limit installed. So if he wins again, that's it. But generally, though, I oppose term limits. A lot of times you don't have qualified people lining up to take on the responsibility. And, there is the institutional memory of people who have tenure. That can have significant value. And, in the case of the UCI, if we had term limits, what is to stop the organization from getting whiplashed in different directions and priorities every time you had a change in leadership? I don't think that is the solution. However, for a org like UCI, with big international exposure, and a 2-term limit, it should be a workable changeover. And, if things are bad enough, as Lappartient apparently thinks they are, you can run against the incumbent after one term.

    We DID manage to get McQuaid out. So, now could we actually be tuning the ship's course, instead of merely saving it from ramming the iceberg? I hope.

    I for one miss Pat
    Are you serious? You must be - no smilies. This is a surprise. I didn't think ANYBODY outside the McQuaid family missed Pat.

    But I have a question as a result of this. If Cookson got a 2-term limit installed, and we didn't hear about it, how hard would it be for a successor to get that reversed?
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    Re: UCI Presidential Elections 2017
    « Reply #13 on: July 18, 2017, 19:17 »
    Lappartient has published his manifesto. And MSN have read it:
    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/news/david-lappartient-makes-radical-pitch-for-brian-cooksons-uci-job/ar-BBEGbvF

    Main points:
    - three series (GTs, one-day races, short stage races), classifications by continent, instead of WorldTour & Continental Tours
    - total ban of corticosteroids
    - combined Worlds of all disciplines (road, track, MTB, BMX) every four years (pre-Olympic year); plus re-introduction of "B Worlds", held every other year; no more TTT Worlds, Worlds held on circuits[1]
     1. which is how they're supposed to be run, and I really dislike the current trend to hold longer and longer parts of the Worlds RRs as point-to-point, with only few laps of the circuit at the end
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    Re: UCI Presidential Elections 2017
    « Reply #14 on: September 10, 2017, 15:42 »
    Excerpts from the new 2017 edition of Marc Madiot's book "Parlons vélo" ("Let's talk about cycling"). Best book I've ever read from a French former rider, way better than Fignon's.

    More to come about Madiot's book in the library. It was so interesting that I took the trouble translating several interesting fragments.  ;)

    It's an interview with Mathieu Coureau.

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    Coureau: If Cookson gets reelected?

    Half the French calendar will disappear in the three years to come. For example: late July, the London Surrey Classic is held at the same time as San Sebastian and the Tour of Poland. The bigger teams will go to London. We, in France, have the Polynormande. How do we do? That's it. We are all gonna die. So will the teams because there is no room for anybody.

    Coureau: There are no remedies? Have you written to Brian Cookson? Have you initiated proceedings?

    We have never had any responses to our requests for an interview about this World Tour calendar reform. We wanted to expose our difficulties. We wanted them to revise their plans. Sponsors like Cofidis, AG2R or La Française des Jeux have injected money into cycling for 20 years or more. I consider they are major actors. They have never been asked their opinion, they have never even been listened to. Nothing. Not even a dialogue. The French problems regard France.

    So we attacked them at a legal level, yes, at the League. We wanted meeting minutes. Then actually you noticed that there was no trace. They are deciding with a few of them, according to their own interests. Whether we are losing or winning before the CAS is after all not really a problem. What I want is to get till the end in order for them to understand that it is not because they are the UCI that they may do whatever they want. At least daring to lead an action against them while nobody believed in it, settles things. I am sorry but I have lived more things in cycling than Cookson has. I have brought a budget to a cycling team for 20 years. What has he brought?
    He has disappointed me. He is rather friendly and I have nothing against the man but what he is undertaking makes no sense.

    I have sixty people to feed at the end of every month. Cookson is not the one to come and tell them "I am sorry but I have no more job for you". I am the one. Some of the guys have a wife, kids and need to work in order to eat. So I am fighting. I might be virulent and aggressive but I am going to keep on. I will not give him any presents. A matter of principles. We are here, we exist and you are going to cope with us even if we are small. I am not completely work, it is not possible.

    Coureau: It seems that you are at the same wrath level as after Manolo Saiz' "sh*t Frenchies" in 1998?

    Something of the sort, only now I notice that on the international scene, they seem to look at me in a different way. My foreign colleagues are saying "He has got a big mouth but he acts. He dares to. Not us."

    Coureau: Some French credibility has been established with the help of your results?

    Yes you may say what you want about French cycling but it is standing. Exactly.

    Coureau: Cookson is cristallising your disappointment but more globally, you are targeting the Anglo-Saxon model, aren't you?

    Yes he and all the guys around him. They are still ruling on the team reform which the "Université des Science et du sport" of Lausanne wanted. That stuff has been prepared for three years and they are still discussing issues such as "Can a doctor also be a trainer?" I raised my voice in meetings with them and said: "Wait a minute, do you want to turn back the clock with doctors such as Ferrari or Conconi? I was there in 1998. All over again?" They are wide off the mark. [...]

    Coureau: You only believe in David Lappartient?

    I feel like believing in him, yes. First because he is Latin and thereby has a solid culture of this sport, knowledge of its base. He knows what a village race is ["course de village", just another phrase in French as equivalent to the Belgian kermess, like "course de clocher" ("Churchtower Races")], he knows how race organisations work. He is a politician but I think he feels like defending this cycling DNA and if he gets elected in Bergen in September 2017, he will not have any other choice than trying to do something and move the lines. Otherwise I fail to see how we are going to overcome.


    Coureau: Has worry gained grounds?

    Yes and then 80% of race organisations are the works of associations and voluntary workers. If you do not bear that in mind, you are massively wrong. You are dead. David Lappartient knows about that. The voluntary workers are also ageing.

    Coureau: You may be a young President of the Boucles de la Mayenne like Pierrick Guesné and be fed up sometimes ...

    Yes it is also an all-French affair. Whatever the sporting event you organise you have an administrative overload. You really need to be motivated to organise, feel like having responsabilities... If there is a crash on your race you have the handcuffs in detention. It is troublesome. Also in this respect people's lives can be made easier.

    Coureau: the gap has increased between those voluntary workers like Guy and Jocelyne Leriget in the Mayenne, real mainstay of the same Boucles de la Mayenne and the authorities?

    The UCI's disdain is complete. These are rednecks who were unable to evolve, that is what they are going to tell you up there if ever you are telling them about those admirable voluntary workers. It is a bit like in the world of labour, this cult of companies against the craftsmen's world. I am sorry but we need craftsmen. The little ones have a right to live. The problem is that there will always be people like Patrick Lefevere to tell you in a meeting:
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    Cookson is on the same track. He's planting flags on sand and I am not talking about geography, in places where people have money and who are pleased to see a bike race at a given moment. It cannot persist in time. It is a bad start. The day they have no more races, half as many teams and riders, what will they do? They will invent a new policy in order to restart the machine? Probably. The old farmer in me is still present: the land of the farm is handed over from father to son and I hope I can raise my son enough in order for him not to get rid of it. For what it's worth cycling is like a land that you hand over. I reached the final part of my career and I need to hand something over. If I am not fighting for it I am neither honest towards myself nor towards the people who had worked before me. People like Colonel Richard Marillier or Cyrille Guimard [Marillier was the French national coach from 1969 to 1981, a former resistant during WWII, he was a major influence to Madiot before the latter turned pro. He passed away in January this year] and many more. Towards all those who have built up this story with its positive and negative aspects, the wounds, the plagues, all. I am not alone. I am sure that Jean-René Bernaudeau is on the same track even if we have never talked about it, so is Vincent Lavenu, David Lappartient, Christian Prudhomme... We have a common DNA.
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    Re: UCI Presidential Elections 2017
    « Reply #15 on: September 21, 2017, 15:44 »
    Ok, then - there it is - done and dusted. Lappartient is UCI President. Long live the President.

    A chapeau and thanks to Cookson for changing the ship's course, and doing the best he could. Even if it increasingly seems like he wasn't very effective. Forward, we march forward!

    VN: Lappartient will succeed Cookson

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    Excerpts from the new 2017 edition of Marc Madiot's book "Parlons vélo" ("Let's talk about cycling"). Best book I've ever read from a French former rider, way better than Fignon's.  . . .
    Is there an English translation version? I went to Amazon and did not see one in English.
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    Re: UCI Presidential Elections 2017
    « Reply #16 on: September 21, 2017, 22:11 »
    I'm afraid Madiot isn't famous enough in the Anglophone world, is he?

    Fignon's book was translated but first he was a Parisian, he published his book in a more famous publishing house and he's a Tour of France winner and the LeMond rival.
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    Re: UCI Presidential Elections 2017
    « Reply #17 on: September 22, 2017, 16:42 »
    Lots of allegations and counter allegations as part of the fall out from the result.

    Cookson feels lied to and Pat seems to be expecting some sort of life Presidency. We should have this on SKY Atlantic!
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