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Re: Tour de France 2018 General News
« Reply #31 on: January 08, 2018, 15:16 »
Cofidis going to Tour, CDD and PN.

Vital Convept to Dauphiné only.

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    Re: Tour de France 2018 General News
    « Reply #32 on: January 09, 2018, 00:28 »
    Coquard will not be a happy boy today ....


    I do think that Wanty Groupe Gobert did enough last year to earn their spot, so I am quite happy with that actually.
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    Re: Tour de France 2018 General News
    « Reply #33 on: June 03, 2018, 07:33 »
    https://www.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/dmf20180603_03542593

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    With a distance of just 65 km, but three cols, one of the Pyrenean stages in the next Tour becomes a real spectacle. To give that short ride extra attention, the organization also takes a special start formula.

    The riders will be drawn up as in Formula 1. At the center of the front is the leader in the classification, the yellow jersey. A few meters to his left is the number two, a few meters to the right of him the number three. And so the first ten in the ranking is drawn up on the first line.

    Sprint or wait?

    Immediately afterwards the numbers from ten to twenty start at the start. Those who are between the twentieth and the fortyth place in the standings will be placed in a following 'cage'. "Then we work in forty. It is a bit of a start like in Formula 1, or as in cyclo-cross

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    Re: Tour de France 2018 General News
    « Reply #34 on: June 03, 2018, 07:55 »
    https://www.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/dmf20180603_03542593
    Is it some kind of Belgian April Fools Day today? :S

    I would love to see this - I just don't see ASO doing it at their biggest event without having run a trial in a smaller race before.

    EDIT: Ah, I see it's only about the start order.
    I thought that the riders would start in groups of twenty with some minutes in between ...  but they still start at the same time.
    In that case, this isn't really that much of a big deal, is it? The domestiques will simply be told to go all-out from the start to catch up with the leaders - and the gruppetto guys can simply stay behind.
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    Re: Tour de France 2018 General News
    « Reply #35 on: June 03, 2018, 08:17 »
    depending on how wide the roads are and the access, it could prove interesting.  Might be a way for a team or two to control things

    This stage should be fun anyway
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    Re: Tour de France 2018 General News
    « Reply #36 on: June 03, 2018, 11:41 »
    In that case, this isn't really that much of a big deal, is it?

    If this is real, and if I'm interpreting it correctly,  I'd be willing to be that it amounts to nothing. Riders and teams will do what they usually do, which is follow orders and race the way they always race. They will quickly reshuffle and align themselves according to their specific agenda. If the stage were only 5 km it would one thing, but I don't understand what race organizers are hoping to achieve here.
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    Re: Tour de France 2018 General News
    « Reply #37 on: June 03, 2018, 18:24 »
    If the stage were only 5 km it would one thing, but I don't understand what race organizers are hoping to achieve here.
    Headlines.

    Or if the stage is on a one-lane road and goes uphill from the get-go. But even then - who will attack 63 km from the finish with three mountains to go?!
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    Re: Tour de France 2018 General News
    « Reply #38 on: June 03, 2018, 19:09 »
    Headlines.

    Or if the stage is on a one-lane road and goes uphill from the get-go. But even then - who will attack 63 km from the finish with three mountains to go?!
    Everybody.
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    "The first col is the Peyragudes, in line with the Peyresourde. '' Anyone who wants to sprint to the foot of that turtleneck can do so.
    I think it should have been translated as "bottleneck", but whatever. I think the idea gets across. You can pick up significant time on tactics on this day. Maybe. Or lose the whole thing to a crash.

    On another topic, I see Sky and Froome have chosen a special avatar for this Tour: an Orca. Bigger and badder-ass than any shark, especially as they work in teams. Powerful symbolism.

    Who's the last GC star to win 4 GT's in a row?
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    Re: Tour de France 2018 General News
    « Reply #39 on: June 03, 2018, 21:10 »
    Who's the last GC star to win 4 GT's in a row?
    Eddy Merckx:
    1972 Giro (21 May to 11 June), 1972 Tour (1 to 22 July), 1973 Vuelta (26 April to 13 May), 1973 Giro (18 May to 9 June).

    In between those four GTs in a row, he also won:
    Giro del Piemonte (9 September 1972) Giro dell'Emilia (4 October 1972), Giro di Lombardia (7 October 1972), Trofeo Baracchi (11 October 1972, pair time trial with Roger Swerts), Giro di Sardegna (24 February to 1 March 1973), Omloop Het Volk (3 March 1973), Gent-Wevelgem (3 April 1973), Amstel Gold Race (7 April 1973), Paris-Roubaix (15 April 1973), and Liège-Bastogne-Liège (22 April 1973).

    Oh, and he broke the Hour Record on 25 October 1972.
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    Re: Tour de France 2018 General News
    « Reply #40 on: June 04, 2018, 00:13 »
    Eddy Merckx:
    1972 Giro (21 May to 11 June), 1972 Tour (1 to 22 July), 1973 Vuelta (26 April to 13 May), 1973 Giro (18 May to 9 June).

    In between those four GTs in a row, he also won:
    Giro del Piemonte (9 September 1972) Giro dell'Emilia (4 October 1972), Giro di Lombardia (7 October 1972), Trofeo Baracchi (11 October 1972, pair time trial with Roger Swerts), Giro di Sardegna (24 February to 1 March 1973), Omloop Het Volk (3 March 1973), Gent-Wevelgem (3 April 1973), Amstel Gold Race (7 April 1973), Paris-Roubaix (15 April 1973), and Liège-Bastogne-Liège (22 April 1973).

    Oh, and he broke the Hour Record on 25 October 1972.

    Wow. That Giro-Tour, then the Vuelta-Giro! Talk about back to back!

    Well, I don't think Il Lombardia, nor the spring classics have to worry! I'm hoping Froome's Tour streak gets broken this year, but I don't have a lot of confidence. Still, we've been surprised before.
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    Re: Tour de France 2018 General News
    « Reply #41 on: June 04, 2018, 00:18 »
    Is it some kind of Belgian April Fools Day today? :S

    I would love to see this - I just don't see ASO doing it at their biggest event without having run a trial in a smaller race before.

    EDIT: Ah, I see it's only about the start order.
    I thought that the riders would start in groups of twenty with some minutes in between ...  but they still start at the same time.
    In that case, this isn't really that much of a big deal, is it? The domestiques will simply be told to go all-out from the start to catch up with the leaders - and the gruppetto guys can simply stay behind.

    The thought occurs to me - the team with the highest overall ranking on this stage could have a significant advantage in the first km.
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    Re: Tour de France 2018 General News
    « Reply #42 on: June 04, 2018, 09:17 »
    The thought occurs to me - the team with the highest overall ranking on this stage could have a significant advantage in the first km.
    Isn't that a lot like saying that the Kenyans & Ethiopians lining up at the front have a significant advantage in the first 500 metres of a marathon race?
    It hardly matters.
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    Re: Tour de France 2018 General News
    « Reply #43 on: June 04, 2018, 20:05 »
    Isn't that a lot like saying that the Kenyans & Ethiopians lining up at the front have a significant advantage in the first 500 metres of a marathon race?
    It hardly matters.

    Weeeelllll, maybe not! A mere 68km in the stage. Hardly a marathon for these guys, eh? More like a half-marathon.
     What's that you say? Still should be plenty of time to level out pack position? Hmmm, maybe. I haven't seen a route map yet. How far along is that first climb, and the bottleneck at the foot?

    Positioning on the first climb could be crucial. After all, the legs will arrive at that first selection much fresher, and with fewer km to go in front of them. I think EVERYBODY (or so close to everybody it won't make a difference) will be aiming at hitting that bottleneck in the front. It will be a nervous peloton!

    I'm not saying it WILL end up like a traffic jam - but it could!

    Oh - I just realized - you probably think I meant "in the first kilometer" when what I intended was "in the first kilometers". If there IS going to be a sprint to the first bottleneck - having the team avoid the argy-bargy in the pack might be useful.
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    Re: Tour de France 2018 General News
    « Reply #45 on: June 10, 2018, 22:19 »
    Magnus Aarre is a norwegian cycling journalist working for TV2. He interviews racers in many languages, asks difficult questions, and in general: is a really sport good journalist! His take on the Dauphine results:


    "When you realize Sky can field three teams for Tour de France that are better than the others."

    https://twitter.com/magnusaarre/status/1005798963272912896
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    Re: Tour de France 2018 General News
    « Reply #46 on: June 18, 2018, 16:25 »
    Unzue is recognizing how much a part luck has played in the first week over the past several years. And, it seems to be part of why he's going with 3 "leaders".
    http://www.velonews.com/2018/06/news/movistar-defends-decision-3-leaders-tour_469687
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    Re: Tour de France 2018 General News
    « Reply #48 on: June 19, 2018, 11:53 »
    So, who have we got (GC contenders) who has said they are doing the TDF?

    Froome, Dumoulin, Porte, Quintana, Valverde, Landa, Uran . . .

    Nibali?
    Aru?
    Yates?
    Roglic??? (is he even a contender?)

    Edit: Add
    Bardet

    Or better yet: startlists are starting to appear!
    http://velorooms.com/index.php?topic=9072.msg2241478#msg2241478
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    Re: Tour de France 2018 General News
    « Reply #51 on: July 01, 2018, 12:42 »
    Hasn't Froome started any ASO races, this year? (I don't know the answer, honest question)
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    Re: Tour de France 2018 General News
    « Reply #52 on: July 01, 2018, 12:52 »
    Hasn't Froome started any ASO races, this year? (I don't know the answer, honest question)
    That's a good question. He hasn't ridden anything since the Giro. I don't remember what he rode before the Giro.
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    « Reply #53 on: July 01, 2018, 12:58 »
    Hasn't Froome started any ASO races, this year? (I don't know the answer, honest question)
    He hasn't, now that you mention it:
    Ruta del Sol, Tirreno-Adriatico, Tour of the Alps, Giro.

    And that is unusual for him - in previous years, he has always done one or several ASO races before the Tour (Oman, LBL, Romandie, Dauphiné).
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    Re: Tour de France 2018 General News
    « Reply #54 on: July 01, 2018, 14:23 »
    https://twitter.com/inrng/status/1013354849814089729
    It seems that they should've made this decision a bit earlier instead of waiting until nearly the eve of the Tour itself.
    Also, I always though it was: Their race; their rules. But I guess not.

    If this battle becomes more contentious, and Sky and Froome prevail, it's going to be ugly out on the roads.

    https://twitter.com/dnlbenson/status/1013382072629645312
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    Re: Tour de France 2018 General News
    « Reply #55 on: July 01, 2018, 15:54 »
    It seems that they should've made this decision a bit earlier instead of waiting until nearly the eve of the Tour itself.
    Also, I always though it was: Their race; their rules. But I guess not.

    If this battle becomes more contentious, and Sky and Froome prevail, it's going to be ugly out on the roads.

    https://twitter.com/dnlbenson/status/1013382072629645312

    Yes indeed. Could be. Cutting words from Benson, as well.
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    Re: Tour de France 2018 General News
    « Reply #56 on: July 01, 2018, 23:54 »
    There are times when I quite like ASO, all the more since it started to bang the drum for the importance of the layers below the elite circus, and this is another one of those times.

    On Tuesday it might well be ruled that Froome's demand to start should be honoured, but it is insane that we are about to start the July 2018 edition and the outcome of the 2017 Vuelta hasn't been set in stone yet.

    Mutterings that all this would be resolved before the world clocks in again on for the annual sunny slow rolling summer screensaver past French vinyards and chateaux, have really not taken into account the terror of the various lawyers to this particular legal dance, to be the one who puts that one single step wrong that will be the foundation for the mother of all marginal laysuits.

    In the meantime, the actual best interst of our sport be damned.
     
    No race organizer should have to put its entire franchise up for another potential race-falsifying farcical asterix edition, all the more at the back of a couple of decades that were pretty much yanked from history. That we let it happen to our showcase circus is lunacy.

    No rider is bigger than a 100+ year old race. No rider, or team, is bigger than the best interests of the sport. Even if innocent.

    That it happened to the Giro was bad enough, but we are about to put our global flagship out on parade again and it is inexcusable that we have no protocols in place to get issues like this resolved in a timely matter. As in an 'almost full circle again' timely manner.

    I doubt invoking artcile 29 will be allowed to block Froome, but I sure as hell applaud them for trying, and it is a stern warning to the UCI to get their flipping act sorted and put rules in place that nix issues like these out of existence. To be honest, I think it is more a shot across the bow of the UCI than a shot at Sky or Froome in particular.

    As for Froome and Sky, it is two enormous fingers up to the ASO, after being told you are not welcome, rightly or wrongly, to insist you will start regardless. Especially after all the smokey revelations coming out of Team Sky's camp during the last few years, it's clear it is not exactly the fresh-spirit cloudless outfit it professed to be. After walking the clean-walk, legal to the letter only just isn't good enough. And now Sky and Froome are putting themselves above the Tour de France. I am curious what the fall out of that one will be. On the roads, with the fans, and behind the scenes.

    Probably time for the ASO to put removal of its races from the World Tour on a UCI Swiss dinner plate again, alongside the threat to put the TdF in whatever low-level UCI race category gives the organisation the greatest freedom to invite who the heck they want.

    Whatever you think of the TdF, it is one heck of a bargaining chip.
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    Re: Tour de France 2018 General News
    « Reply #57 on: July 02, 2018, 00:05 »
    Hasn't Froome started any ASO races, this year? (I don't know the answer, honest question)

    Great question Echoes. Thanks for the answer LukasCPH.
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    Re: Tour de France 2018 General News
    « Reply #58 on: July 02, 2018, 01:02 »
    . . .

    I doubt invoking artcile 29 will be allowed to block Froome, but I sure as hell applaud them for trying, and it is a stern warning to the UCI to get their flipping act sorted and put rules in place that nix issues like these out of existence. To be honest, I think it is more a shot across the bow of the UCI than a shot at Sky or Froome in particular.

    As for Froome and Sky, it is two enormous fingers up to the ASO, after being told you are not welcome, rightly or wrongly, to insist you will start regardless. Especially after all the smokey revelations coming out of Team Sky's camp during the last few years, it's clear it is not exactly the fresh-spirit cloudless outfit it professed to be. After walking the clean-walk, legal to the letter only just isn't good enough. And now Sky and Froome are putting themselves above the Tour de France. I am curious what the fall out of that one will be. On the roads, with the fans, and behind the scenes.
     . . .

    Quite so. It is lunacy that the UCI have let the "procedures" dangle as long as this. Frankly, I'm a bit amazed - twice now we have welcomed in the face of "change" to the UCI, and neither seems to be living quite up to their billing. Laparrtient should be more wary - he may be replaced by a UCI version of Trump. God forbid, and knock on wood. I won't speak more about that insanity, it upsets me too much.
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    Re: Tour de France 2018 General News
    « Reply #59 on: July 02, 2018, 12:35 »
    ASO threatened to kick up a storm and suddenly we have a verdict. It's like magic!

    With Froome is cleared to start on Saturday it is time to get those rules sorted.

    I much prefer a short process with riders losing their right to start.
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