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UCI Europe Tour Ranking
« on: February 27, 2017, 13:37 »
Hi!
I love cycling and I have been watching Elite Men Road Events since 2012. I have just a doubt about the UCI rankings, I mean, specially, the UCI Europe Elite Men. I have observed that all continental rankings began from zero this year, because obviously the season has just started, except the UCI Europe Tour: It has been continued from the last year, with Planckaert leading yet! Looking to the other rankings (talking about america, asia, africa and oceania) They all have begun from nothing again... How does the UCI Europe Ranking 17 work?

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    Re: UCI Europe Tour Ranking
    « Reply #1 on: February 27, 2017, 14:13 »
    All of the Continental Tours are on a rolling system now including Europe. The ranking is determined by what happened during the previous 52 weeks, not just by what has happened since the season started.



    These are the current leaders.

    So Morton is leading the American Tour still because of his results in 2016 (Utah mainly), if it was just based on what has happened this year then Mollema would be leading.

    On the other hand you can see Smit is leading the African Tour because he did very well in the recently held African Continental Championships, despite the fact that he did virtually nothing in 2016.

    Europe is no different. Planckaert will probably be overtaken sooner rather than later when his results from last year tick over the 52 week mark.
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    Re: UCI Europe Tour Ranking
    « Reply #2 on: February 27, 2017, 14:16 »
    :welcome Fabio! Todo bém? :)

    How does the UCI Europe Ranking 17 work?
    The rules have been changed from this year. Last year was a "transitional period" to phase in the 52-week rolling ranking, for the World Ranking as well as for the various Continental Rankings. Now that a full season is in the database, the rolling ranking has been rolled out.[1]

    The other Continental Rankings didn't start from zero, but are also using the rolling ranking. However, as there are (significantly) lower amounts of races there, it is less conspicuous, and last year's results will have a far smaller impact after just a few weeks.


    I'm happy to have a fellow rankings nerd join up - hope you'll stick around. :cool
     1. haha, very funny, Lukas
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    Re: UCI Europe Tour Ranking
    « Reply #3 on: March 02, 2017, 15:52 »

    Hi friends LukasCPH and Leadbelly!

    Your explanations were first class. However, why aren't leading these riders the respectives continental rankings (considering last year final classification:

    america: Van Avermaet 615 points
    asia: Cavendish 800 points
    africa: Okubamariam 432 points (nowadays he is 150 points)

    UCI looks like a little bit confusing!!!! :D
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    Re: UCI Europe Tour Ranking
    « Reply #4 on: March 02, 2017, 16:40 »
    america: Van Avermaet 615 points
    asia: Cavendish 800 points
    africa: Okubamariam 432 points (nowadays he is 150 points)

    UCI looks like a little bit confusing!!!! :D
    For Tesfom, it's simple:
    The majority of his points (250) came from winning the 2016 African Continental Championships. These points were subtracted from his score after the 2017 African Continental Championships, and since he didn't score there, he lost all 250 points. In addition, his points for the 2016 Tropicale were subtracted after 52 weeks had expired in late January, even though the 2017 edition is only taking place this week. That's how he gets to 150 points.

    For van Avermaet and Cavendish it's a bit more complicated.
    In the 2016 rulebook, results from World Championships and Olympic Games would score a rider points for the Continental circuit in which the Worlds/Olympics took place. Last year, that was America for the Olympics and Asia for the Worlds, two continents that have a shortage of high-ranked races compared to Europe. As a result, the rankings for America and Asia were extremely skewed by the results of these one-off races that weren't actually part of the American or Asian racing circuit, but awarded there separately from the rest of the UCI calendar. Not to mention that they're raced by national teams who have to qualify for them; you can't just rock up with your group of friends and enter.[1]

    In Asia, only seven riders out of the top-20 (and only two out of the top-10!) didn't owe their high placing to results from the Qatar Worlds. In America, nine of the top-20 (and only two of the top-10, here too) 'earned' their ranking spot through actual America Tour races - the rest were simply propelled to the front through a race that's only held once every four years, and was last held on the American continent in 1996. The cycling Worlds were last held in Asia in 1990!

    Simply put, these races have no place on the Continental circuits. And in a very rare stroke of insight, someone at the UCI realised that and removed them from the points scales for Continental circuits in the 2017 rulebook - meaning that the points scored by van Avermaet, Cavendish etc. count only for the World Ranking from 1 January on.
     1. You can't do that at a UCI race either, strictly speaking; but if you send in the necessary paperwork and the race accepts your application, you can rock up with your team and enter.
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    Re: UCI Europe Tour Ranking
    « Reply #5 on: March 02, 2017, 16:45 »
    ...wisdom and knowledge, and some nerdery...

    It didn't stop Cav from getting the trophy, though!

    https://www.instagram.com/p/BQcynEtAc2C/

    Caption: "So turns out I won something else in 2016! I didn't even know! 😂 Anyway, pretty delighted to have won the @uci_cycling Asia Tour overall. Was my selfless @teamdidata that made it happen though 💪👍"

    From what you're saying, Lukas, it wasn't his #didata team that made it happen, it was #teamgb
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    Re: UCI Europe Tour Ranking
    « Reply #6 on: March 02, 2017, 16:55 »
    From what you're saying, Lukas, it wasn't his #didata team that made it happen, it was #teamgb
    It was both teams.
    He wouldn't have been at the top of the ranking without his silver medal at the Worlds - but neither would that alone have been enough to win, since, well, Sagan took the gold medal. But his results in the Tours of Qatar and Abu Dhabi (achieved by #didata) combined with the Worlds silver (achieved by #teamgb) took him above the world champ.
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    Re: UCI Europe Tour Ranking
    « Reply #7 on: March 02, 2017, 17:01 »
    It was both teams.
    He wouldn't have been at the top of the ranking without his silver medal at the Worlds - but neither would that alone have been enough to win, since, well, Sagan took the gold medal. But his results in the Tours of Qatar and Abu Dhabi (achieved by #didata) combined with the Worlds silver (achieved by #teamgb) took him above the world champ.
    The wisdom, knowledge (and nerdery) continues ;)
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    Re: UCI Europe Tour Ranking
    « Reply #8 on: March 02, 2017, 19:31 »
    The wisdom, knowledge (and nerdery) continues ;)
    Long may it live, and never end! :)
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    Re: UCI Europe Tour Ranking
    « Reply #9 on: March 03, 2017, 00:07 »
    Thanks all of you guys about the answers and comments! But one thing is certain: LukasCPH should create a ranking to UCI and its confusing system!!! What a knowledge about!
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    Re: UCI Europe Tour Ranking
    « Reply #10 on: March 03, 2017, 11:50 »
    Thanks all of you guys about the answers and comments! But one thing is certain: LukasCPH should create a ranking to UCI and its confusing system!!! What a knowledge about!
    Muito obrigado! :)

    I can assure you, everyone would be better off if they just put me in charge of everything ranking-related at the UCI. :D
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