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Re: Paris - Nice 2017
« Reply #90 on: March 12, 2017, 12:49 »
Deja vu time for me I think
Berto goes on Peille, Sky chase him down probably helped by QS. Berto tries again on Eze. In the end nothing changes :P
#quickstep if they were smart would work with Berto as Cousin Dan should outsprint Berto 10 times out of 10 and that would mean they can win the race
But not counting on it

I hope Mr Tony "anything for a ride with Sky" Gallopin will be nowhere near the action :shh

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You are like an elephant, Flo. ;)

 Never underestimate the ability of Henao...............................to snatch stage race defeat from the jaws of victory! :D

 Bertie has to try something similar. This time he has the benefit of last year to refine his effort.
I'm not sure which way QS will play it, but I suspect it will be wait and see.
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    Re: Paris - Nice 2017
    « Reply #91 on: March 12, 2017, 13:07 »
    Quickstep though, could send Alaphilippe in the break? I mean nobody's  talking much about them but they are the only team with  2 men in top 5 and could exploit some tactical opportunities the other teams don't have to put Martin in no 1 spot. Martin is quite likely the best rider in the field on this kind of finish, at least if the race was 200 km long. Pantano and Alaphilippe, maybe Henao, may rival that on such a short stage.
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    Re: Paris - Nice 2017
    « Reply #92 on: March 12, 2017, 13:21 »
    :lol
    You are like an elephant, Flo. ;)

     Never underestimate the ability of Henao...............................to snatch stage race defeat from the jaws of victory! :D

     Bertie has to try something similar. This time he has the benefit of last year to refine his effort.
    I'm not sure which way QS will play it, but I suspect it will be wait and see.

    I agree if Henao wins it will be a surprise

    aliens might snatch him
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    Re: Paris - Nice 2017
    « Reply #93 on: March 12, 2017, 14:08 »
    I agree if Henao wins it will be a surprise

    aliens might snatch him
    Lol lol :P
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    Re: Paris - Nice 2017
    « Reply #94 on: March 12, 2017, 16:08 »




    Great end to a fun edition

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    Re: Paris - Nice 2017
    « Reply #95 on: March 12, 2017, 17:10 »
    Déjà. Vu.  :( :( :(
    Totally flipping gutted :( :(
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    Re: Paris - Nice 2017
    « Reply #97 on: March 12, 2017, 18:42 »
     It's not as if Cobrelli is going to be in a huge race, that will end in a sprint after a climb and a fast descent, next weekend. :s

    Aside it was a terrific race, overall, proving once again the the flat stages are fickle things, especially in March.
    Today's stage was another out of the top drawer for sheer excitement and entertainment.
    For that, we have one rider to thank. So, Chapeau Berto. Brilliant ride.
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    Re: Paris - Nice 2017
    « Reply #98 on: March 12, 2017, 20:45 »
    Are you suggesting Colbrelli couldn't have sprinted if Izagirre hadn't pulled?
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    Re: Paris - Nice 2017
    « Reply #99 on: March 12, 2017, 20:52 »
    Are you suggesting Colbrelli couldn't have sprinted if Izagirre hadn't pulled?

     I'm suggesting you should be blaming the very start of the race, rather than looking to apportion blame at the very end........again.
    The wind cost Berto over a minute.
    Expect a lead group of 20 riders to not race the final kms of a race and you will likely be disappointed, every time.
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    Re: Paris - Nice 2017
    « Reply #100 on: March 12, 2017, 21:35 »
    It's such a non-discussion. Contador fans will be upset Bahrain helped reduce the gap (and decided the race), Sky fans will be happy they helped and will scoff at the suggestion that Bahrain didn't have any reason to work.
    Like it or not this is the 2nd year in a row a Sky rider had to be saved by random other riders. Their team is already twice as strong as the others but they'll always be lucky with random idiots riding for 10th overall or 4th on the stage (no WT points BTW).
    God knows I love Sonny and also Izagirre but Bahrain lost a fan today (actually two, also Trudgin). We both loved Bahrain but hate them now. Still like the individual riders.
    Yes I'm flipping upset but you won't understand. Mock me all you like, call me ridiculous, IDGAF.

    Also I'd like to say that Pantano is a monster and it looks like with Felline and Pantano Alberto will finally have the support he deserves and they are LOYAL not like Kreuziger the Backstabber and Majka.

    Also I cried after the stage because Berto looked so upset and disappointed in the interview
    https://twitter.com/francetvsport/status/840957527332421633
    Last year I posted in the PN thread that I was flipping gutted because it was supposed to be his last Paris Nice. We'll see if he returns one more time and I hope he'll either win or be dead last. I can't deal with this 2nd by a couple seconds sh*t anymore.

    I saw a tweet by CafeRoubaix which said Berto has 22 stage race wins in his career (not counting stripped wins) and 11 second places - by the way since 2014 he finished 2nd within 10 seconds 6 times. He lost Catalunya twice, Paris-Nice twice and Andalucia twice for a total of 18 seconds. Also he has 7 second places this year - he even finished 2nd in the points classification 1!!! point behind Alaphilippe. I'm crossing my fingers for a win in Pais Vasco or he'll collect like 20 second places and no win. Catalunya has a 40km TTT so he'll be 2 minutes behind Froome and Piti after the first stage. The TDF is a lost cause obviously unless Froome crashes out or is off form. At least he said he will most likely ride the Giro last year so no panic about saying goodbye after his worst year ever just yet.

    Also jens_attacks said on twitter Berto was stratospheric on Peille with 7 W/kg for 15 minutes.

    Anyway I'm done, I'll just cry myself to sleep and hope his luck turns at some point  :TT

    By the way I'm not as upset as I may sound just very frustrated and disappointed.

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    Re: Paris - Nice 2017
    « Reply #101 on: March 12, 2017, 22:23 »
    6 times 2nd already this year for Contador. God man, and again he gets screwed by another team, last year it was that french guy....

    In catalunya he'll get a 40km TTT. What are the spanish people doing that to their own guy? Then again he's from madrid and it's in catalunya.

    Will be a hard year :(
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    Re: Paris - Nice 2017
    « Reply #102 on: March 13, 2017, 06:36 »
    While fans of the accountant might be upset not getting the win

    Would you rather he road the race like yesterday and finished 2nd or would rather he just road around collecting a pay check and failing as many do

    Sure the win would have been nice, but the stage racer of the generation is going out swinging and making races, I for one will miss AC for rides like yesterday more than dominant wins. Plus it is only March

    Once AC goes will will have to hope Chaves takes over the it is better to try and fail, go for it swinging and if you win or not at least you went for it and went hard, rather than being happy with 2nd or 3rd or 5th
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    Re: Paris - Nice 2017
    « Reply #103 on: March 13, 2017, 07:01 »
    While fans of the accountant might be upset not getting the win

    Would you rather he road the race like yesterday and finished 2nd or would rather he just road around collecting a pay check and failing as many do

    Sure the win would have been nice, but the stage racer of the generation is going out swinging and making races, I for one will miss AC for rides like yesterday more than dominant wins. Plus it is only March

    Once AC goes will will have to hope Chaves takes over the it is better to try and fail, go for it swinging and if you win or not at least you went for it and went hard, rather than being happy with 2nd or 3rd or 5th

    I couldn't agree more. That's the second year running he's lit that race up. Lovely attack and great panache
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    Re: Paris - Nice 2017
    « Reply #104 on: March 13, 2017, 07:04 »

    But I'm not a fan of Chaves, he will need to do a lot more than flash his "I'm so innocent, and such a nice guy" pearly whites to get me on board...


    That may have been Contadors last ever Paris Nice.


    He has said this is his last attempt at Tour, so maybe next year, his last year, he is going for the Tirreno Adriatico and the Giro..


    Does that not add a little to the bitterness of that defeat yesterday.
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    Re: Paris - Nice 2017
    « Reply #105 on: March 13, 2017, 09:01 »
    But I'm not a fan of Chaves, he will need to do a lot more than flash his "I'm so innocent, and such a nice guy" pearly whites to get me on board...


    That may have been Contadors last ever Paris Nice.


    He has said this is his last attempt at Tour, so maybe next year, his last year, he is going for the Tirreno Adriatico and the Giro..


    Does that not add a little to the bitterness of that defeat yesterday.
    But they're not Contador fans so they don't care who wins, they only care about the race. It's hard to grasp for me but I guess it's logical. It does make me slightly angry when people compliment him for making the race because I know how much he hates losing and I doubt it's any consolation that he "made the race". It's almost sad to say to him - hey, you failed to win, but at least you were exciting, right...?
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    Re: Paris - Nice 2017
    « Reply #106 on: March 13, 2017, 09:05 »
    https://twitter.com/Cyclingnewsfeed/status/841189589427605505

    seems he would rather ride with style than just ride boring and win

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    Re: Paris - Nice 2017
    « Reply #107 on: March 13, 2017, 09:08 »
    Would you rather he road the race like yesterday and finished 2nd or would rather he just road around collecting a pay check and failing as many do

    I'd like him to ride like yesterday and win :( 2 stupid seconds
    A more difficult question would be ride like yesterday and finish 2nd or only attack in the final meters and win. I think I'd prefer the latter, honestly.
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    Re: Paris - Nice 2017
    « Reply #108 on: March 13, 2017, 09:10 »
    I'd like him to ride like yesterday and win :( 2 stupid seconds
    A more difficult question would be ride like yesterday and finish 2nd or only attack in the final meters and win. I think I'd prefer the latter, honestly.

    Sure I can see where you are coming from.
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    Re: Paris - Nice 2017
    « Reply #109 on: March 13, 2017, 09:11 »
    https://twitter.com/Cyclingnewsfeed/status/841189589427605505

    seems he would rather ride with style than just ride boring and win

    his worlds not mine
    Yes but of course what he would like most is to ride with style and win
    Did you see how disappointed he was after the stage? I posted the video above.
    I'm afraid if he suffers more narrow defeats he'll suffer mentally :( it's hard to deal with disappointment after disappointment. He needs a reward at some point for his hard work else why work so hard? What is the point?
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    Re: Paris - Nice 2017
    « Reply #110 on: March 13, 2017, 09:24 »
    Yes but of course what he would like most is to ride with style and win
    Did you see how disappointed he was after the stage? I posted the video above.
    I'm afraid if he suffers more narrow defeats he'll suffer mentally :( it's hard to deal with disappointment after disappointment. He needs a reward at some point for his hard work else why work so hard? What is the point?

    IMHO

    Because of his age and changed physical ability etc he needs to look at ways to win, most riders would just be happy with 2nd, but he looks at places where he can change races in his advantage, and some times others ie Nairo

    I think this shows a tremendous amount of race craft and skill he has lost a lot of explosive and ability to go deep for longer, and dig a little deeper to break riders, now he uses race profile and controlled effort to try and do the same ( a much harder ask) but the results are harder to come by and lets be honest he has not had the team to do it, Pantano will be huge card come July ( hopefully) and they need the Phantom doing the early support plus 1-2 other climber or even Degenkolb willing to get in the early breaks and to start working over Sky early, while it might hurt There are many positives for AC fans   
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    Re: Paris - Nice 2017
    « Reply #111 on: March 13, 2017, 10:46 »
    I can only speak for myself. It was a bold and exciting move it made for a brilliant watch and was executed by a class rider. It's at times like this that I wish he was half a dozen or so years younger as opposed to someone who may retire at some point very soon.

    I think we need a nice piccy of the fella!


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    Re: Paris - Nice 2017
    « Reply #112 on: March 13, 2017, 11:24 »
    Yes but of course what he would like most is to ride with style and win
    Did you see how disappointed he was after the stage? I posted the video above.
    I'm afraid if he suffers more narrow defeats he'll suffer mentally :( it's hard to deal with disappointment after disappointment. He needs a reward at some point for his hard work else why work so hard? What is the point?

    A faculty that most great champions have is that they can be bitterly disappointed in an instant and then regroup, the day after is another day and focus on the following races, past is past. I think that is what distinguishes them from unfulfilled talents. Being able to focus on the following races. Look at Mathieu.  ;) 22 years of age. How upset he was after losing the Worlds. Three days after he won Malderghem, not really of the same standard but he was happy and had fun, enjoyed his popularity and then had a 6 cross winning streak.

    With regards to being complimented for making the race, I remember Wellens really disappointed when he lost the Arrow in 2015, Tim doesn't like losing but Sergeant congratulated him on a nice effort. I think Tim appreciated the compliment despite his disappointment.  ;)

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    Re: Paris - Nice 2017
    « Reply #113 on: March 13, 2017, 11:31 »
    Major incredible kudos tot he man.

    I am and will always be a fan ... simply for the class and style and way he rides.  The way he is.

    I will ALWAYS prefer someone who will risk it all to try and win over someone who is happy to defend their podium.



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    Re: Paris - Nice 2017
    « Reply #114 on: March 13, 2017, 17:14 »

    You guys... I'm at work in tears..... I wish I had the time to look for emojis :(
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    Re: Paris - Nice 2017
    « Reply #115 on: March 13, 2017, 21:28 »
    I am not done with this yet. Lost yesterday's stage due to travel, but recorded it and watched it today. It was pretty much replay of the recording from last year and #trek Alberto Contador now comes across as cycling's Donald Duck for trying so hard and failing with such a narrow margin every time. However - he knew the tactics of the attack from last year and Sky knew how to control it.
    #sky Henao's measured effort on the Col d'Eze was quite precisely measured. Some remarks as to how #bahrain Ion Izaguirre helped - I think he probably did (at least in the sprint) but it looked like Henao did more of the work himself on the descent compared to #sky Geraint Thomas last year. A lot has probably been written, tweeted and shouted about this already - but #quickstep Davide de la Cruz also didn't seem very interested in working for Contador (who was going to pass #quickstep Dan Martin). Contador allowed de la Cruz to work,  that was when the gap started to go down.

    However: this was not the day when the race was won. It was not the strong climbers of the #sky train that impressed this time (only Henao himself impressed as a climber). It was the flatlanders that made the difference: Luke Rowe, and maybe Christian Knees. On the first stage, they escorted Henao into the first group in the crosswinds. That day Henao scored 55 seconds on Contador, which Contador could not take back. That was the decisive stage. Rowe was also in the front with Henao on day 2, when Contador once again was in chasing group in the crosswinds.

    (Kind of like 2015 Tour de France was won on stage 2 in the crosswinds on the dutch coast).

    On paper, #trek shouldn't be a bad team in the crosswinds but in practice it seems that Contadors old  squad was better at it. A little homework before the TdF should level the playing field. There are enough good flatlanders on #trek to come up to #tinkoff standard, or not?
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    Re: Paris - Nice 2017
    « Reply #116 on: March 13, 2017, 22:10 »
    Although he got 3rd today, with hindsight, sending Jasper Stuyven to Italy was perhaps a mistake.
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