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Re: Milano-Sanremo 2017
« Reply #30 on: March 18, 2017, 17:43 »


Well...........as Sven Goran Erikson might have said "last 6km good, first 285km not so good" and when I say not so good, I mean a snooze-fest. It was as bad as the LBL from a few years back.

Does the excitement of the finale cancel out the blandness of what came before? I don't know, but Sagan has definitely won some fans today for enlivening the race.

I have quite a high "tolerance" for pro cycling so I don't get bored that easily. For me I was pleased to see Poli from Novo in the break and with Hatch and Stephens commentating it was a good listen. I think saying it was just the last 6km is a bit harsh there was plenty of postulating and positioning a bit further out. What a break by Sagan though, absolutely crushing.
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    Re: Milano-Sanremo 2017
    « Reply #31 on: March 18, 2017, 17:53 »
     It was a completely uneventful, incident free race for 98% of it's duration, with even less animation than one finds in the usual script.
    The last 2% was great, but that doesn't elevate it beyond the mediocre for me, I'm afraid.
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    Re: Milano-Sanremo 2017
    « Reply #32 on: March 18, 2017, 18:01 »
    only 5 retirements, that must be a novelty?! Even Betancur finished the race
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    Re: Milano-Sanremo 2017
    « Reply #33 on: March 18, 2017, 18:06 »
    Too many teams with good cards to play in the bunch sprint, guess most of them were happy to play for a top 10. Chapeau to Sagan for livening it up.

    Let's hope for the cobbled WT classics that the other favourites decide that they are unlikely to win unless they do something to dislodge / unsettle / tire him. At the minute, two more monuments for him wouldn't surprise me.
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    Re: Milano-Sanremo 2017
    « Reply #34 on: March 18, 2017, 21:27 »
    What a brilliat race that was. Sagan for me is truly the best cyclist since Hinault hung up his toe clips. Yes I know Kwia won and congratulations to him but riders like Sagan come along once in a blue moon. Probably one of his best rides and he didn't even win!



    Indeed it was. The first 200k are pretty run of the mill, not a lot going on. But that's the way the race is, and has always been. It was designed in a different era, when people either read about the race afterwards, or witnessed the end in person. I suppose maybe radio coverage, but that is where color commentators, like Kirby, originated. The last 40k is different, as the selections get started on the Cipressa.

    But Sagan was brilliant today. His break was perfection. That Kwiatkowski and Alaphilippe managed to follow was a testament to their strength on the day. Sagan was at the front too much, just like Cancellara and Gerrans, but at least Alaphilippe and Kwiatkowski came through a couple of times to pull. Pretty hard for Sagan to sit up anywhere for cat and mouse - the peloton was hot on their heels.

    Good race, and Sagan still almost took the whole thing. Marvelous finish.
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    Re: Milano-Sanremo 2017
    « Reply #35 on: March 18, 2017, 23:58 »
    https://twitter.com/albertocelani/status/843239325252927488

    an interesting point there, and it's not the first time I noticed that. Sure, today was a bit different, and had he started his sprint a bit later he may have won - but in the past there have been several examples where he didn't quite have the energy to go full out twice in a race. The latest example was last month's Omloop I think, also losing the sprint in the end after spending efforts earlier on.

    In a way this applies to all riders of course but for Sagan the difference between his normal capabilities in a sprint and those after an attack earlier on seems to be much bigger.
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    Re: Milano-Sanremo 2017
    « Reply #36 on: March 19, 2017, 00:04 »
    https://twitter.com/albertocelani/status/843239325252927488

    an interesting point there, and it's not the first time I noticed that. Sure, today was a bit different, and had he started his sprint a bit later he may have won - but in the past there have been several examples where he didn't quite have the energy to go full out twice in a race. The latest example was last month's Omloop I think, also losing the sprint in the end after spending efforts earlier on.

    In a way this applies to all riders of course but for Sagan the difference between his normal capabilities in a sprint and those after an attack earlier on seems to be much bigger.

    He was also absolutely bombing down the descent whilst the other two were swerving in and out, sitting on and shaking out their legs. In the past couple of years his talent seems to have emerged even more than before, but his old tactical naivety remains to some degree in some situations.

    As a counterpoint to Omloop, K-B-K was a good example of when he didn't try to do everything and was a bit more savvy, and he ended up winning.
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    Re: Milano-Sanremo 2017
    « Reply #37 on: March 19, 2017, 01:14 »
    Problem for his is - when youa re that good, no one is going to come around you.

    I did think Sagan deserved the win - his attack was simply outstanding, and its about time that an attack on the Poggio made it.

    Kudos to Kwia though - he did pull, he did wait until the exact right time and played to his own strengths.

    As good a race as you can hope a 300km sprint will be  :D
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    Re: Milano-Sanremo 2017
    « Reply #38 on: March 19, 2017, 14:42 »
    Kwiatkowski deserved the win. He was not the lucky one and hardly less strong. Only he's not the guy for the anaerobic uphill effort. It reminds me of his 2015 Amstel Gold win. Then too he could not answer Gilbert's attack on the Cauberg. Yet he regrouped and managed to outsprint a fairly big bunch. The Sagan hype is as powerful on VR as on other forums it seems. Kwiatkowski has shown several times in the past that he had better recovery skills than Sagan. After all he's the better ITT specialist of the two, which potentially means the better rider (Sagan best since Hinault, surrealistic, how many better ITTers have there been since???). In the descent, Kwiatek cut the corners much better and on the flat, he made sure that the peloton was held off. Finally he was way better at the sprint and he won. Nothing to add.

    I'm very glad with this Primavera. First I saw what I don't seem to have seen since the removal of the Maniè, namely riders suffering on the Capo Berta. Long time no see. I was really glad with Tim's two attacks on the Cipressa, paving the way for Gallopin's attack on the Aurelia. And then Dumoulin setting a heavy tempo right from the start of the Poggio, which definitely exhausted many sprinters. If only that guy could ride for himself and on the classics. How many classics will he leave aside for an improbable GT win? All of these elements made the decisive attack on the Poggio possible. And what a nice winner. I have always liked Kwiatek. A discrete guy, with zero ego, founded a cycling school at age 22. A farm boy too. A champion that cycling needs. An ambassador. Team Sky floored him last year with their crazy slim down policy.
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    Re: Milano-Sanremo 2017
    « Reply #39 on: March 20, 2017, 08:05 »
    I watched the last 80 km with half an eye on it, the the last 30 km was alright, but not reall super exciting, enjoyed the Sagan attack and stuff, but it is almost time for him to attck and then if no one helps ( they kid on did a turn or 2 each), just sit up and let the other rider lose

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    Re: Milano-Sanremo 2017
    « Reply #40 on: March 20, 2017, 08:14 »
    In the streets of Sanremo, Kwiatkowski took turns as much as Sagan if not more. That's where you had to do so in order to hold off the peloton. He did not steal anything. A turn or two is what it takes to get to the Via Roma which is less than 2km from the end of the Poggio descent.
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    Re: Milano-Sanremo 2017
    « Reply #41 on: March 20, 2017, 08:26 »
    I never said anyone stole anything what I said was Kwato and JA took a turn or 2 

    My point is if Sagan thinks people are not helping he should just sit up
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    Re: Milano-Sanremo 2017
    « Reply #42 on: March 20, 2017, 08:30 »
    Apologies. I misunderstood that.  :angel
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    Re: Milano-Sanremo 2017
    « Reply #43 on: March 20, 2017, 11:37 »
    My point is if Sagan thinks people are not helping he should just sit up
    He's too much of a racer to do that, I think. He just always wants to win.

    I believe he should do such a move once, to show people he's prepared to lose a race that way and ensure certain cooperation in the future. But Milano-San Remo, a race he's wanted to win for so many years now and never has, isn't the place to do it.

    He could do it in one of the upcoming smaller classics, though.
    Lose Gent-Wevelgem to make sure everyone will always work with you in the future? Why not.
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