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De Ronde van Vlaanderen
« on: March 22, 2017, 11:33 »
Tour of Flanders     


The king of the classics with its cobbled climbs and windy and (hopefully) muddy cycle tracks is upon us again.



The Route

A few changes once again this year - though the finish in Oudenaarde remains pretty much the same.  In fact the last 75km or so of the race remains unchanged, so the Oude-Kwaremont-Paterburg combo remains the crunch sector.

The Muur is BACK !!!!   :cool  with the km long cobbled climb of 20% the Muur is legendary in this race .....  but it is with 100km to go so its likely too far out from home to be the major turning point that it once was. 

A new start city of Antwerp - but many of the tougher sections are in the middle and back end of the race, so there will be plenty of miles in the legs before the action kicks off.

The race is some 260km long - with a total of 18 climbs but with a few changes in the mix.  The Molenberg, Valkenberg and Kaperij are out and the Ten Bosse, the Muur and the new climb of the Pottelberg






Last year Peter Sagan made his winning move on the Paterberg which is a long way from home.  Anything can still happen in this race - and much will depend on the weather too.




This year will be Tommeke's final goodbye ... can he make his magic one last time?

Previous Winners

2016: Peter Sagan (svk)
2015: Alexander Kristoff (nor)
2014: Fabian Cancellara (swi)
2013: Fabian Cancellara (swi)
2012: Tom Boonen (bel)
2011: Nick Nuyens (bel)
2010: Fabian Cancellara (swi, image)
2009: Stijn Devolder (bel)
2008: Stijn Devolder (bel)
2007: Alessandro Ballan (ita)
2006: Tom Boonen (bel)
2005: Tom Boonen (bel)
2004: Steffen Wesemann (ger)
2003: Peter Van Petegem (bel)
2002: Andrea Tafi (ita)
2001: Gianluca Bortolami (ita)
2000: Andrei Tchmil (ita)

 

This years Contenders

Where do we start?   Well - the world champ would be the best chance I would think.

*****  Sagan, GVA
**** Van Marcke, Kristoff
*** Pick a name ... any name. 

Its hard to list so many who could do well here - depending on the weather, the crashes, the punctures, the order of the cars and the lack of Fabian Cancellara  :angry

Start list
http://www.cyclingstage.com/tour-of-flanders-2017/riders-rvv-2017/


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    The king of the classics

    Lol when was the marriage with the Queen?  :lol
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  • "Paris-Roubaix is the biggest cycling race in the world, bigger than the Tour de France, bigger than any other bike race" (Sir Bradley Wiggins)

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     :lol

    I just remember a thread (a long time ago now) that was arguing over which was the best monument - and there was a great line that if Paris Roubaix was the Queen of hte Classics then RvV would have to be King !!!    so I have always thought of it as so  :D
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    Well we are getting a better idea on form as the Classics go on.

    Sagan, GVA and Terpstra all in good shape.  Will be up there at the pointy end

    Gilbert will be a contender this year too.

    Sep Van Marcke will not be there IMO.  He has failed to stay with the groups at both DDV and E3 - and if you dont have it over 200km, you arent going to when its 260.

    Benoot unlucky for Lotto.  Got a mechanical at the wrong time. 

    Stuyven too was unlucky in the wheel stakes so a definite maybe ...

    Naeson for AG2R been very good over those races

    Kristoff was still in the group but didnt look like he was ever going to bridge or do anything much.  Not sure about him really

    Degenkolb did try ... PR might be better for him though
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    What we have learned ....



    From Milan San Remo

    1 - Sagan wants this.  Badly.

    2 - If Sagan is to win, he has to learn to make others work.  At the moment, he gets into situations where he is expected to do everything as no one will work with him.  They know that if they dont - he will do it.  A lot like Cancellara in his prime - Sagan needs to hold off sometimes

    3 - Kwiatkowski and Alaphilippe the only ones who could stay with the surge of power. Both looking towards the Ardennes which will be interesting this year.

    4 - It is possible after all to attack on the Poggio and hold it until the finale

    5 - Kristoff in ok shape too.  Will be looking for RvV




    From Dwars Door Vlaanderen


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    1 - Quickstep finally learn some tactics.   They have long been the strongest team in these races, but have rarely used their superior numbers in the final sections to any advantage.

    2 - Sep VanMarcke not there yet.  He missed the opening move, set his team to bring them back but never managed it.  They eventually sat up and followed, relying on Sep to bridge on the Kwaremont .... but he failed to gain back anything.  In fact, Stybar and Terpstra left him in their wake as they bridged

    3 - Gilbert surely a contender for Flanders.  Though lets face it, the competition will be another several rungs higher with the likes of Sagan and GVA to come in.

    4 - Groenewegen has a future in the classics.   Great ride from the young sprinter here

    5 - Michael Matthews having made some pretty big statements about his goals on the cobbles .,.. has some work still to do

    From E3 Harelbeke

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    1 - Phil is BACK !!!!    2 podiums in 3 days is a good indication that he is in form and ready for Flanders

    2 - Quickstep made the pace ... but punctures at the wrong time meant that only Phil made the move when it happened.  They probably wont be thrilled with that return

    3 - GVA in good form.  He seems a lot more settled and confident than previous years with all those second places and struggling to find a way to win.    I like the gold bands on his sleeves - much better than a gold bike.

    4 - Sep VanMarcke wont be there at the end of Flanders.  Twice in 3 days he has not had the strength ... and if you dont have it in a 206km race, how do you expect to last the distance over 260?

    5 - Sagan unlucky in being caught in a crash - but he was riding in the bunch with all the strongest contenders in the move in front.  Its not the normal way of things for Sagan.  MSR proved he is in shape so still expect him to defend RvV with his usual aggressiveness


    From Gent Wavelgem

    1 - GVA is here.   Omloop, E3 and GW .... this is his year. 

    2 - Sagan is here too   :D    Great at MSR, also at E3 he missed the move but was there or thereabouts and a powerhouse here.  The battle between him and GVA (with Gilbert and a few others trying their hardest to hang in there) will be awesome

    3 - Naesen having a great year.  He was in the front group again here, and if he can stay with the moves long enough things might fall his way

    4 - Quickstep .... sooooo many numbers, and attacking all the time.  They dont always (or often) pull off the win - but you know they will be there.

    5 - Daniel Oss was fabulous here.  He did a truckload of work setting things up for GVA and will be needed at RvV
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    Re: De Ronde van Vlaanderen
    « Reply #6 on: March 28, 2017, 15:53 »
    Podium on form Tuesday week of

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    Re: De Ronde van Vlaanderen
    « Reply #11 on: March 30, 2017, 00:37 »
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    Re: De Ronde van Vlaanderen
    « Reply #12 on: March 30, 2017, 08:35 »
    https://twitter.com/Velorooms/status/847297064379629568

    I recon the flat by Burgy at the wrong time certainly effected the race, if he can get in the break for both P-R and RvV Sagan will have one of the strongest Doms in his playing deck
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    Re: De Ronde van Vlaanderen
    « Reply #13 on: March 30, 2017, 11:45 »


    going to be a warm one
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    Re: De Ronde van Vlaanderen
    « Reply #14 on: March 30, 2017, 12:21 »


    going to be a warm one
    Headwind on the run-in to the hellingen & on the return from Geraardsbergen, tailwind after the Koppenberg, crosswinds on the run-in to the Kwaremont & on the final stretch to Oudenaarde.
    But 3-4 Bft are really not that much.
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    Re: De Ronde van Vlaanderen
    « Reply #15 on: March 30, 2017, 13:51 »
    Some great historical video coverage of 1985 (Vanderaerden wins in Biblical flood conditions), and 1992 (Jacky Durand flies with an early BOTD and takes advantage of too long a leash).

    http://www.velonews.com/2017/03/analysis/studying-flanders-1985-mother-natures-last-laugh_433499

    http://www.velonews.com/2017/03/analysis/studying-flanders-1992-breakaway-stuns-the-favorites_434030
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    Re: De Ronde van Vlaanderen
    « Reply #16 on: March 30, 2017, 14:10 »
     The Team Sky cheats have found a new marginal gain for the Ronde:-




     :D :D :D
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    Re: De Ronde van Vlaanderen
    « Reply #17 on: March 31, 2017, 10:21 »
    The Team Sky cheats have found a new marginal gain for the Ronde:-




     :D :D :D
    If this happened on Sunday, Stannard (?) would be the only rider (of those pictured) left in the race. :cool
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    Re: De Ronde van Vlaanderen
    « Reply #20 on: April 01, 2017, 08:35 »
    from today's Het Nieuwsblad:



    ...and also the first star ratings in there:

    *be Het Nieuwsblad

    ***** Sagan
    **** GvA, Gilbert
    *** Terpstra, Benoot, Naesen
    ** Degenkolb, Boonen, Vanmarcke, Kristoff
    * EBH, Stybar, Stuyven, Keukeleire, Durbridge


    Edit: also here

    *nl de Telegraaf

    ***** Sagan, GvA
    **** Gilbert, Degenkolb
    *** Terpstra, Kristoff, Boonen, Durbridge, Vanmarcke
    ** van Baarle, Naesen, Keukeleire, Rowe, Demare, Pozzato
    * Langeveld, Lampaert, Benoot, Stuyven, Stannard, EBH, Valgren, Felline
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    Re: De Ronde van Vlaanderen
    « Reply #21 on: April 01, 2017, 08:53 »
    Interesting star ratings

    I definitely would have Kristoff ahead of VanMarcke

    and I would have put Keukeleire well ahead of Durbridge


    as for the Telegraph - DeMare?   really?   *     and ahead of the likes of Benoot and Lampaert   






    (*and now that I have slagged him, he will no doubt go and win the race :fp )
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    :lol

    I just remember a thread (a long time ago now) that was arguing over which was the best monument - and there was a great line that if Paris Roubaix was the Queen of hte Classics then RvV would have to be King !!!    so I have always thought of it as so  :D

    Yes it was on CNF. I argued that Paris-Roubaix was the harder race of the two based on what some riders told me because the cobbles are longer and flat which means that the inter-sections of asphalt are also flat while the Tour of Flanders is made of small hills meaning that afterwards you of necessity have some descents enabling recup. So I argued that Paris-Roubaix was considered the Queen of Classics and it was not just a mere subjective feeling. AK-Zaaf loves the Tour of Flanders more and so he quoted me saying, then Tour of Flanders is King.  :D It doesn't change the fact that Paris-Roubaix is the hardest of all.  ;) After all in medieval Chivalric romance the Queen is above the King, you respect a Queen.  :shy
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    Re: De Ronde van Vlaanderen
    « Reply #23 on: April 01, 2017, 18:29 »
    So very very excited about this tomorrow! I'm using the infinite Monkey theory and predicting Jasper Stuyven for the win. I also predict a winnning time of 6hours 16 minutes and 45 seconds. Why is this the king of the classics? because although Paris Roubaix is an incredibly hard race this is also hard but requires (IMO) a little more finesse in establishing a winning move.

    Anyway here's a picture of one of the greats of this race. Johan Museeuw ...the Lion of Flanders...

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    Re: De Ronde van Vlaanderen
    « Reply #24 on: April 02, 2017, 00:49 »
    glad to see Eurosport getting into the spirit of things here

    On Tv today

    all stages of De Panne
    DDV
    E3
    GW

    and then a couple of stages of Tour of Catalunya


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    Re: De Ronde van Vlaanderen
    « Reply #25 on: April 02, 2017, 02:47 »
    Why is this the king of the classics? because although Paris Roubaix is an incredibly hard race this is also hard but requires (IMO) a little more finesse in establishing a winning move.
    Makes sense. Paris Roubaix is the Queen of the classics, and we know that women are more difficult.


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    Re: De Ronde van Vlaanderen
    « Reply #27 on: April 02, 2017, 07:58 »
    more star ratings: :)

    *fr l'Équipe

    :*:*:*:*:* GvA, Sagan, Gilbert
    :*:*:*:* -
    :*:*:* Boonen, Vanmarcke, Terpstra
    :*:* Stybar, Degenkolb, Naesen
    :* Lampaert, Durbridge, Kristoff


    *it Gazzetta dello Sport

    :*:*:*:*:* Sagan, van Avermaet
    :*:*:*:* Gilbert, Boonen
    :*:*:* Kristoff, Vanmarcke, Degenkolb
    :*:* Keukeleire, Durbdridge, Naesen
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    Re: De Ronde van Vlaanderen
    « Reply #28 on: April 02, 2017, 16:24 »
    PHIL !!!!!


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    Re: De Ronde van Vlaanderen
    « Reply #29 on: April 02, 2017, 16:29 »
    Most boring RvV I have watched :P He was just too strong!
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