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Re: Vuelta al Pais Vasco 2017
« Reply #30 on: April 08, 2017, 17:12 »
This ITT enlightened my down day today! One of the best I have seen, both in terms of the race itself (close close between Izaguirre, Contador and Valverde + remarkable performances by Rôglic and Matthews) but also the television coverage was unusually good for an ITT as well.

In the end Rôglic was not possible to beat, but Contador looked to win the whole thing on the split timing (he started with a road bike up the climb, Izaguirre and Valverde did not.) However, the intense start cost too much for Contador, he lost to both Izaguirre and Valverde towards the end. 


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Valverde is on some winning streak and god only knows how long that will last - right now it makes sense to send him to the Giro as there are none performing at the same level that is actively racing at this moment. Some #movistar dude is probably hiding in Columbia and could be even better, but the #sky train for the giro is definetly not as good as Valverde right now.

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    Re: Vuelta al Pais Vasco 2017
    « Reply #31 on: April 08, 2017, 17:15 »
    I'm dying over here

    Please make it stop
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    Re: Vuelta al Pais Vasco 2017
    « Reply #32 on: April 08, 2017, 17:47 »

     Valverde is on some winning streak and god only knows how long that will last - right now it makes sense to send him to the Giro as there are none performing at the same level that is actively racing at this moment. Some #movistar dude is probably hiding in Columbia and could be even better, but the #sky train for the giro is definetly not as good as Valverde right now.


     Valverde hasn't raced a single day outside of Spain yet.
    He might experience a bit of a dip in form, when he does. ;)

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    Re: Vuelta al Pais Vasco 2017
    « Reply #33 on: April 08, 2017, 18:04 »
    As if Piti and his team weren't unlikeable enough already.. https://twitter.com/Movistar_Team/status/850737263399116800
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    Re: Vuelta al Pais Vasco 2017
    « Reply #34 on: April 08, 2017, 19:40 »
    As if Piti and his team weren't unlikeable enough already.. https://twitter.com/Movistar_Team/status/850737263399116800

    Am I missing something in the translation of the tweet as that sounds quite complimentary to Contador to me.
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    Re: Vuelta al Pais Vasco 2017
    « Reply #35 on: April 08, 2017, 20:26 »
    Am I missing something in the translation of the tweet as that sounds quite complimentary to Contador to me.
    It says "thanks Alberto for making our victories bigger" which sounds quite arrogant anyway but consider this: do you think Contador cares that he made Piti's victories bigger by finishing 2nd to him 3 times? Do you think he likes it, considering he and Piti aren't exactly the best of friends? Obviously not, and Movistar know that as well, they aren't stupid. So why post it? Just to rub it in? Not very classy.
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    Re: Vuelta al Pais Vasco 2017
    « Reply #36 on: April 08, 2017, 20:56 »
    It says "thanks Alberto for making our victories bigger" which sounds quite arrogant anyway but consider this: do you think Contador cares that he made Piti's victories bigger by finishing 2nd to him 3 times? Do you think he likes it, considering he and Piti aren't exactly the best of friends? Obviously not, and Movistar know that as well, they aren't stupid. So why post it? Just to rub it in? Not very classy.

    We'll have to disagree on this. It doesnt sound arrogant to me at all. Saying the victory is bigger because you beat Contador is a massive compliment to him. Had Contador not been riding and the podium had been Izagirre and De la Cruz it wouldnt have been such a good victory. You are probably right that Contador doesnt care that it's made Valverdes win bigger/better but I also don't see that the tweet is arrogant in anyway. Had it said.

    "We won and we expected to win even with Contador in the field"

    Then I would agree that it would have been arrogant of them but what they did tweet isn't that.
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    Re: Vuelta al Pais Vasco 2017
    « Reply #37 on: April 08, 2017, 21:08 »
    Ok, maybe arrogant isn't the right word. It seems like they are trying to rub it in, "hey Alberto, we won again, you were 2nd again and guess what, because you were second, we look even better! How about that?". They are the only ones who care that Alberto being 2nd supposedly made their wins look better, so why post it at all, just keep it to yourself and have a laugh about it at the post-race party. Do they seriously think Contador will consider it a  compliment or feel better after reading their post?

    Maybe my heavy dislike for the rider and team is clouding my judgement.
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    Re: Vuelta al Pais Vasco 2017
    « Reply #38 on: April 09, 2017, 00:55 »
    Yeah I read it as a bit more similar to Carlo

    Valverde trying to say that Alberto made it a great race - that he is a worthy competitor and made Valverde fight for it.


    I took it as Movistar complimenting Alberto ...
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    Re: Vuelta al Pais Vasco 2017
    « Reply #39 on: April 09, 2017, 08:35 »
    Yeah I read it as a bit more similar to Carlo

    Valverde trying to say that Alberto made it a great race - that he is a worthy competitor and made Valverde fight for it.


    I took it as Movistar complimenting Alberto ...
    So maybe they should have posted that instead... :-x

    As for the race - that was by far the worst edition of this race in at least a decade. 5 riders on same time before the final TT (would have been 7 if not for Samu's crash) and 20 riders within 1'08". And the worst part, the organizers got an "exciting" finale so I'm worried they'll believe the race was a success and present such an underwhelming parcours again next year.
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    Re: Vuelta al Pais Vasco 2017
    « Reply #40 on: April 09, 2017, 12:32 »
    Would like to focus on #quickstep Enric Mas
    As you may know I've followed him since he joined Alberto's youth team in 2013. It seems more and more people are getting familiar with him and seeing his talent :cool

    Finished with the favorites on the first 4 stages and did a huge job controlling the race for De la Cruz on stage 4, both uphill and downhill. He lost some time on stage 5, but finished 17th, in a group with George Bennett, Chernetskiy, Barguil and Edet. Then yesterday, in the TT, he finished 17th again, with the same time as Valgren and "only" 1:30 behind Roglic. He had the 7th time at the intermediate point, which was after the hill and descent. He placed 14th overall. Really excited to see him perform so well :cool I would like to see him get a free role in some smaller races, but I reckon this year he'll mostly be used as support.
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