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Gilbert dancing likes it is 2011
« on: April 04, 2017, 08:31 »
Talk about turning back the clock and I guess this is a convo we have to have

Lotto 2011 the year of dominance and the work of Dr Jose Ibarguren/Taus Bio on Dopeology

Philbert Golden year at Lotto was with Ibarguren/Taus and then to BMC where according the rumor mill riders were told no doping due to USADA Och was sh*tting himself

Now to Quickstep anr Phil reunites with Ibarguren/Taus
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    Re: Gilbert dancing likes it is 2011
    « Reply #1 on: April 04, 2017, 08:34 »
    Medic Ibarguren investigated in Mantua case: From Piepoli and Riccò to Omega Pharma

     There aren't only directors' names, racers and staff in the Mantova doping investigation. At the end of March case director officer Antonio Condorelli ended his investigation on the Mantova pharmacy, Mariana Mantovana, managed by Guido Nigrelli, which, according to the investigators, was an international doping center that has sent 31 people to court, many of whom connected with Lampre. The first hearing will be held on July 13. Among them is a very important Spanish medic José Ibarguren Taus. He's a person of great relevance, because, for three years Ibarguren was part of the medical staff of Omega Pharma. In 2011 this was the team of Philippe Gilbert, 18 victories; this year that team was fused with Lefevre's Quick Step and, if Gilbert has flown to the American BMC squad, Omega has become the sponsor of Tom Boonen.

     The name of Ibarguren, a Basque from Eibar who lives at Alicante, appears on page 3 of the court mandate. A few pages after states the reasoning of the attorney general: "Nigrelli and Ibarguren, as per art. 110 of the penal code (involvement in a criminal act) and 9 law 376/2000 (anti-doping penal law), for having between them procured, administered or in any case favored the use of substances (among those classified in art. 2 of law 376) not justified by any pathological condition, toward the ends of altering the performances of athletes on the Fuji-Servetto professional cycling team, or otherwise to modify the anti-doping controls by the use of such pharmaceuticals and, among these, substances containing testosterone: in Mariana Mantovan and elsewhere, up to the end of 30 April 2009."

     Ibargure was at Lampre between 2002-2004 (in the team the Rumsas case exploded), then Euskaltel 2005 (Landaluze positive for testosterone, but absolved for a procedural error) an then the team of Gianetti: Saunier Duval between 2007-2008 (Mayo positive for EPO, Piepoli and Riccò for Cera), and Fuji in 2009. Now, this year, we can also refer to the telephone taps by the NAS Carabinieri of Brescia, which appears in the investigation folder on p. 69.

     On 15 April, 2009 Ibarguren was described thusly by NAS: "He's the medic of the Fuji-Servetto, he knows Nigrelli from his time at Lampre. He makes use of prohibited substances and, by his same admission, which he hides in his own domicile because of problems with Gianetti."

     Ibarguren: "Now I'm going to send you a fax. However, you send the stuff to me at my home!"
     Nigrelli: "Ok, afterward give me the address."
     Ibarguren: "With a copy of the reciept for the transport and later send the recipet to the usual one, that guy!"
     Nigrelli: "To the usual on then! Write me, José, whatever you want..."
     Ibarguren: "There's a little something I want! Nothing big, because Gianetti doesn't want it...what you sent me for the Vuelta I had kept at home."

     What surprised the carabinieri is just this: why would a medic at Alicante, a Spanish town south of Barcellona, turn to a pharmacist at Mariana Mantovana 1600 km away? That is for the judge to determine.



    http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/11598/Ibarguren-Taus-said-to-face-hearing-in-July-in-relation-to-Mantova-affair.aspx

    Back by popular demand  ;D

    http://tourdejose.com/2012/04/08/dr-ibarguren-taus-a-dubious-doctor/
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    Re: Gilbert dancing likes it is 2011
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    Re: Gilbert dancing likes it is 2011
    « Reply #6 on: April 26, 2017, 14:09 »
    http://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/paul-kimmage/paul-kimmage-who-should-we-cheer-the-guy-who-never-wavered-on-doping-or-the-guy-who-cant-make-up-his-mind-35645369.html

    I am not 100% sure what Kimmage is actually trying to say here.

    He appears to be insinuating that simply because Phil is friends with Vino that he is not anti-doping.   But surely he isnt that pathetic.


    There are arguments to be made against Gilbert for sure.   I dont think 'being friends with a doper' really counts though :fp
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    Re: Gilbert dancing likes it is 2011
    « Reply #7 on: April 26, 2017, 14:12 »
    I kind of like reading Pauls stuff, but he does take the dot joining and yelling on twitter to the extreme

    If being friends with a doper is cause for concern, then well the whole cycling world

    Vino FWIW is meant to be one of those super nice guys generally
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    « Reply #8 on: April 26, 2017, 16:09 »
    Vino FWIW is meant to be one of those super nice guys generally
    As long as you're not one of his riders and underperforming :P
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    Re: Gilbert dancing likes it is 2011
    « Reply #9 on: April 26, 2017, 18:23 »
    As long as you're not one of his riders and underperforming :P

    then you get a letter home with the parents  :D
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    Re: Gilbert dancing likes it is 2011
    « Reply #10 on: April 26, 2017, 19:40 »
    http://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/paul-kimmage/paul-kimmage-who-should-we-cheer-the-guy-who-never-wavered-on-doping-or-the-guy-who-cant-make-up-his-mind-35645369.html

    I am not 100% sure what Kimmage is actually trying to say here.

    He appears to be insinuating that simply because Phil is friends with Vino that he is not anti-doping.   But surely he isnt that pathetic.


    There are arguments to be made against Gilbert for sure.   I dont think 'being friends with a doper' really counts though :fp

    I'm not sure what he's saying either. I'm still not convinced I'm getting which rider falls into which of the two categories he's suggesting.
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