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2017 Giro CQ Game
« on: April 26, 2017, 23:26 »
I have decided to launch this a little earlier than usual.  The Giro starts on a Friday, the preceding Monday is a public holiday in many countries, CQ have often not made the weekly download available until later than the usual Monday early evening: there are ways it could have gone a bit pear shaped, so I have decided to use the prices from last Sunday, rather than the Sunday immediately preceding the race as I have normally done.  I guess that means that anyone riding in Romandie this week is a bit cheaper than they would have been if I had waited, anyone who was in it last year gets to be slightly dearer.

So although I am launching it now, there is no great need to hurry with your selection: by all means wait until teams are more settled.  As previously, there is a spreadsheet which will make sure you have used the appropriate price, avoid you going over budget, and give the right versions of names: here it is at dropbox.


The rest of the intro many of you will be familiar with, but new contestants are very welcome:


Team of exactly nine riders 
Budget    Budget will be 3500 points.  If you don't leave your team until the last moment, I'll be able to warn you of errors: if it is later than my going to bed on Thursday night, I'm unlikely to able to help.  If you are over budget, I'll take out the cheapest rider who can be replaced with a cheaper member of his team that will bring you into budget: if you pick someone who is not riding, I'll replace him with the next cheapest of his team, or the next cheapest in the race if there is not one in his team.

Price of riders
CQ score for 12 months to 23rd April, for which the update file that CQ released on Monday 24th will be considered definitive. 
There is a dropbox spreadsheet of riders likely to participate and their prices for the game, and a facility for checking the team total.

Submitting your team
By personal message to me, either here or at CN.
Please send the team with names formatted as per CQ. (Surname[space]Forename and nothing else: Spanish/Portuguese names need particular care, as do accents or other diacritics)  It makes an enormous difference to the efficiency of adding teams.  If you use the dropbox spreadsheet it will be a simple copy and paste job.


I have lodged my team with ChrisDK, the first person to submit a team, and won't change it unless any of them drop out.


Deadline
The start of the race, which I believe to be Friday 5th May at noon (Italian time) (but don't expect any analysis of teams until I get in from work that evening).

Scoring
Points issued according to the points tables of CQ (column GT2).  Note there are no points issued for the young rider category.

Entries
will be listed here, hopefully updated daily.  If you have not seen your name 24 hours after submitting it, drop me a reminder.  If you are on another forum, by all means plug it there.


The 46 teams in the game are:
AG
AmisVelo
Armchair_Cyclist
BicycleBoy
BluesInTheBottle
Carlo_Algatrensig
ChrisDK   
Comodoro   
Crevaison
Del1962
DJW   
Fauniera
Flo
GeraintTooFast
GodChild
GPBlanco
Hakkie2
Hugo87   
Jakob747
Joelsim
Josedin
JustSomeGuy
Kabete   
Kazistuta   
Laarsland
Leadbelly
LightBing   
LosBrolin
Mellow_Velo
Minessa
Rote_Laterne
Russell23
SafeBet
Scrool07   
Search
SemirS
Shalgo
SilverGrenade
Spokenspin
Squire
ThePirate81
Torcia86
Trudgin
Tych23   
Vladimir
Yellow_Knight

Good luck to all.
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  • « Last Edit: May 06, 2017, 12:47 by Armchair Cyclist »

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    Re: 2017 Giro CQ Game
    « Reply #1 on: April 27, 2017, 07:41 »
    Started working this yesterday :win

    to have a sprinter or not is the question at the moment
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    Re: 2017 Giro CQ Game
    « Reply #2 on: April 27, 2017, 07:57 »
    Started working this yesterday :win


    Me too............................................for once.
    Damn. that's Tibaut Pinot out of my team. for starters
    He was about to drop 230 points in cost.
    Some riders cheaper, but some good ones more expensive, too.
    Swings and roundabouts, I guess.
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    Re: 2017 Giro CQ Game
    « Reply #3 on: April 27, 2017, 08:02 »
    Me too............................................for once.
    Damn. that's Tibaut Pinot out of my team. for starters
    He was about to drop 230 points in cost.
    Swings and roundabouts, I guess.

    heheh having the same inner argument got a team of 12 riders where 3 come in or drop out
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    Re: 2017 Giro CQ Game
    « Reply #4 on: April 27, 2017, 19:17 »
    I've just had a first go at a team for this race. I ended up with 4 #cannondale riders in it. Not sure thats a good thing.
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    Re: 2017 Giro CQ Game
    « Reply #5 on: April 27, 2017, 20:22 »
    here is the current provisional startlist (from cyclingfever) including cq values:

    #bahrain      BAHRAIN - MERIDA            #movistar      MOVISTAR TEAM         
          NIBALI Vincenzo      967            QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander      2337   
          AGNOLI Valerio      10            AMADOR BIKKAZAKOVA Andrey      396   
          BOARO Manuele      136            ANACONA GOMEZ Winner Andrew      107   
          MORENO BAZAN Javier      130            BENNATI Daniele   517   
          GASPAROTTO Enrico   119            IZAGIRRE INSAUSTI Gorka      492   
          PELLIZOTTI Franco      142            DE LA PARTE GONZALEZ Victor      176   
          PIBERNIK Luka      142            SUTHERLAND Rory      135   
          SIUTSOU Kanstantsin      351         ROJAS GIL Jose Joaquin         427
          VISCONTI Giovanni      624            HERRADA LOPEZ Jose      101
                2621                  4688   
                                     
    #ag2r      AG2R LA MONDIALE            #orica      ORICA - SCOTT         
          POZZOVIVO Domenico      562            YATES Adam      957   
          BERARD Julien      45            EWAN Caleb      744   
          BIDARD François      66            EDMONDSON Alexander      100   
          CHEVRIER Clément      63            MEZGEC Luka      180   
          DUPONT Hubert      282            VERONA QUINTANILLA Carlos      196   
          GASTAUER Ben      125            HEPBURN Michael      104   
          GENIEZ Alexandre      298            JUUL JENSEN Christopher      442   
          JAUREGUI Quentin      85            PLAZA MOLINA Ruben      69   
          MONTAGUTI Matteo      191            TUFT Svein      121   
                1717                  2913   
                                     
    #astana      ASTANA PRO TEAM            #quickstep      QUICK STEP FLOORS         
          CATALDO Dario      200            JUNGELS Bob      679   
          KANGERT Tanel      283            CAPECCHI Eros      51   
          HANSEN Jesper      100            GAVIRIA RENDON Fernando      898   
          BILBAO LOPEZ DE ARMENTIA Pello   398         MARTINELLI Davide      172   
          SANCHEZ GIL Luis Leon      452         DE PLUS Laurens         138   
          TIRALONGO Paolo      40            DEVENYNS Dries      591   
          ZEITS Andrey      318            KEISSE Iljo      137   
          BIZHIGITOV Zhandos      165            RICHEZE ARAQUISTAIN Maximiliano Ariel      478   
                0            SERRY Pieter      148   
                1956                  3292   
                                     
    #bardiani      BARDIANI CSF            #dimension      DIMENSION DATA         
          CICCONE Giulio      102            ANTON HERNANDEZ Igor      208   
          ALBANESE Vincenzo      144            FRAILE MATARRANZ Omar      176   
          BOEM Nicola      64            GIBBONS Ryan      340   
          MAESTRI Mirco      108            HAAS Nathan      674   
          PIRAZZI Stefano      87            JANSE VAN RENSBURG Jacques      62   
          RUFFONI Nicola      309            SBARAGLI Kristian      398   
          ANDREETTA Simone      73            VAN ZYL Johann      40   
          BARBIN Enrico      141            BERHANE Natnael Teweldemedhin      141
          ROTA Lorenzo      63            TEKLEHAIMANOT Daniel Girmazion      154
                1091                  2193   
                                     
    #bmc      BMC RACING TEAM            #katusha      TEAM KATUSHA-ALPECIN         
          VAN GARDEREN Tejay      468            ZAKARIN Ilnur      689   
          DENNIS Rohan      1271            BELKOV Maxim      96
          DILLIER Silvan   170            GONÇALVES Jose Isidro Maciel      411   
          TEUNS Dylan   232            KISERLOVSKI Robert      45   
          QUINZIATO Manuel      198         KOCHETKOV Pavel         246
          ROSSKOPF Joey      353            KUZNETSOV Vyacheslav      204
          HERMANS Ben      751            LOSADA ALGUACIL Alberto      74   
          SENNI Manuel      199            MAMYKIN Matvey      209
          VENTOSO ALBERDI Francisco Jose      95            VICIOSO ARCOS Angel      168   
                3797                  2142
                                     
    #bora      BORA-HANSGROHE            #jumbo      TEAM LOTTO NL - JUMBO         
          BENNETT Sam      464            KRUIJSWIJK Steven      715   
          BENEDETTI Cesare      102            BATTAGLIN Enrico      126   
          BARTA Jan      208            CAMPENAERTS Victor      245   
          KONRAD Patrick      326            CLEMENT Stef      308   
          MENDES Jose Joao Pimenta Costa      234            TANKINK Bram      98   
          MÜHLBERGER Gregor      157            VAN DEN BROECK Jurgen      80   
          PELUCCHI Matteo      105            KEIZER Martijn      45   
          PÖSTLBERGER Lukas      162         CASTELIJNS Twan         114
          SELIG Rüdiger      197            VAN EMDEN Jos      568
                1955                  2299
                                     
    #cannondale      CANNONDALE-DRAPAC PRO CYCLING TEAM            #sky      TEAM SKY         
          FORMOLO Davide      440            LANDA MEANA Mikel      294   
          HOWES Alex      210            ELISSONDE Kenny      347   
          CARTHY Hugh      284            DEIGNAN Philip      41   
          KOREN Kristjan      58            HENAO GOMEZ Sebastian      201   
          DOMBROWSKI Joseph Lloyd      153            KIRYIENKA Vasil   370   
          ROLLAND Pierre      322            PUCCIO Salvatore      71   
          SKUJINS Toms      255            ROSA Diego      458   
          VILLELLA Davide      423            THOMAS Geraint      794   
          WOODS Michael      388            GOLAS Michal    93
                2575                  2669
                                     
    #ccc      CCC SPRANDI POLKOWICE            #sunweb      TEAM SUNWEB         
          PONZI Simone      51            DUMOULIN Tom      1450   
          BIALOBLOCKI Marcin      90            BAUHAUS Phil      273   
          GROSSSCHARTNER Felix      193            GESCHKE Simon      171   
          HIRT Jan      249            HAGA Chad      69   
          SCHLEGEL Michal      119            KELDERMAN Wilco      621   
          OWSIAN Lukasz      64            PREIDLER Georg      207   
          PATERSKI Maciej      259            STAMSNIJDER Tom      45   
          SAMOILAU Branislau      125            TEN DAM Laurens      123    
          TRATNIK Jan      219            LUNKE Sindre Skjøstad      49   
                1369                  3008   
                                     
    #fdj      FDJ            #trek      TREK-SEGAFREDO         
          PINOT Thibaut      1003            MOLLEMA Bauke      1005   
          LUDVIGSSON Tobias      120            ALAFACI Eugenio      25   
          MOLARD Rudy      289            BERNARD Julien      50   
          MORABITO Steve      108            PEDERSEN Mads      109   
          REICHENBACH Sébastien      441            DIDIER Laurent      94   
          VAUGRENARD Benoît      45         NIZZOLO Giacomo      1103   
          ROY Jérémy      151            HERNANDEZ BLAZQUEZ Jesus      53   
          LADAGNOUS Matthieu      153         STETINA Peter      99   
          BONNET William      152         STUYVEN Jasper      448   
                2462                  2986   
                                     
    #gazprom      GAZPROM - RUSVELO            #uae      UAE - TEAMEMIRATES         
          FIRSANOV Sergey      113            COSTA Rui Alberto Faria      1051   
          BRUTT Pavel      93            MARCATO Marco      399   
          FOLIFOROV Alexander      121            CONTI Valerio      182   
          LAGUTIN Sergey      176            FERRARI Roberto      186   
          KOZONTCHUK Dmitriy      9         MOHORIC Matej      297   
          ROVNY Ivan      149            MODOLO Sacha      639   
          TSATEVITCH Alexey      87            PETILLI Simone      107   
          SAVITSKY Ivan      47            POLANC Jan      184   
          SHALUNOV Evgeny      120            RAVASI Edward      96   
                915                  3141   
                                     
    #lotto      LOTTO - SOUDAL            #wilier      WILIER-SELLE ITALIA         
          GREIPEL André      1171            POZZATO Filippo      462   
          BAK Lars Ytting      77            AMEZQUETA MORENO Julen      53
          DE BIE Sean      266            BUSATO Matteo      139   
          DE BUYST Jasper      196            KOSHEVOY Ilia      60   
          HANSEN Adam      139            MARECZKO Jakub      409   
          HOFLAND Moreno      261            MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe      78   
          MARCZYNSKI Tomasz      82            RODRIGUEZ MARTIN Cristian      79   
          MONFORT Maxime      267            FONZI Giuseppe      80   
          DE CLERCQ Bart      237            ZHUPA Eugert      67
                2696                  1427   
                               

    I'm off to Sardegna tomorrow, so I may not be able to keep this up to date
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  • « Last Edit: May 02, 2017, 19:15 by Armchair Cyclist, Reason: I think that is all the teams now, barring last minute changes »
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    Re: 2017 Giro CQ Game
    « Reply #6 on: April 27, 2017, 23:17 »
    Sure we can't have 3503 points?

    Some good value picks here and a lots of GC hopefuls at a similar price, not to hard to pick a team that will win plenty of points but difficult to judge exactly which riders will come out on top.
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    Re: 2017 Giro CQ Game
    « Reply #7 on: April 29, 2017, 19:27 »
    Sure we can't have 3503 points?

    Some good value picks here and a lots of GC hopefuls at a similar price, not to hard to pick a team that will win plenty of points but difficult to judge exactly which riders will come out on top.

    and sprinter be damned was my conclusion  :D
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    Re: 2017 Giro CQ Game
    « Reply #8 on: May 01, 2017, 13:25 »
    After all my cautiousness about when CQ would put the update up and whether people would need the weekend to give time to putting a team together, CQ have put up the download earlier than ever, and only 4 teams have been sent in before it is available.

    I'm not going to go back on the decision now, but those who might feel are those picking Quintana (would have been 315 cheaper), Pinot (232), Dumoulin (151), Zakarin (121), Costa (113), Mollema (71) and Yates (61):  on the other hand, if you want to pick Fraile (90 cheaper), Kelderman (83), Jungels (76) Van Garderen (76) or Edmondson (61), you have a bargain.
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    Re: 2017 Giro CQ Game
    « Reply #9 on: May 02, 2017, 10:43 »
    Team in made a big change to add a rider that might be unique :lol
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    Re: 2017 Giro CQ Game
    « Reply #10 on: May 02, 2017, 14:18 »
    After all my cautiousness about when CQ would put the update up and whether people would need the weekend to give time to putting a team together, CQ have put up the download earlier than ever, and only 4 teams have been sent in before it is available.

    I'm not going to go back on the decision now, but those who might feel are those picking Quintana (would have been 315 cheaper), Pinot (232), Dumoulin (151), Zakarin (121), Costa (113), Mollema (71) and Yates (61):  on the other hand, if you want to pick Fraile (90 cheaper), Kelderman (83), Jungels (76) Van Garderen (76) or Edmondson (61), you have a bargain.
    I'm not quite sure what this means??
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    If we take the file of April 24th wouldn't it be the 12-month score up to April 24th? Or do I have to manually subtract the points earned between April 2nd and April 24th?

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    Re: 2017 Giro CQ Game
    « Reply #11 on: May 02, 2017, 14:53 »
    I'm not quite sure what this means??If we take the file of April 24th wouldn't it be the 12-month score up to April 24th? Or do I have to manually subtract the points earned between April 2nd and April 24th?

    I think it should say 23rd April which would be the update released on the 24th. That's what I'm going with anyway
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    Re: 2017 Giro CQ Game
    « Reply #12 on: May 02, 2017, 18:34 »
    Sorry: missed the 3 in what should have said 23rd.

    The spreadsheet on Dropbox referenced in the opening text, or the list in Search's message a little up this page (which I will update with FDJ, CDT and QST shortly), give the price you need to think of. 

    I'll edit the OP now.
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    Re: 2017 Giro CQ Game
    « Reply #13 on: May 02, 2017, 18:55 »
    Sorry: missed the 3 in what should have said 23rd.

    The spreadsheet on Dropbox referenced in the opening text, or the list in Search's message a little up this page (which I will update with FDJ, CDT and QST shortly), give the price you need to think of. 

    I'll edit the OP now.
    Thanks AC I went with the Dropbox scores :cool
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    Re: 2017 Giro CQ Game
    « Reply #14 on: May 02, 2017, 20:50 »
    I think I've got this one in the bag.
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    Re: 2017 Giro CQ Game
    « Reply #15 on: May 02, 2017, 22:24 »
    With all the teams except Willier confirmed, and two and  half days left before the deadline, we have 15 teams so far.  Some have been thrown by the expected selections of Clarke and Cimolai not being confirmed, so I am awaiting some revisions.

    2 riders are clear favourites in terms of popularity so far, each on 3/4 of the teams or more: after them, there are only 4 others that are on more than 1/4 of teams.  49 riders have been picked, 23 of them unique picks.

    Remember that the race starts on Friday, and the deadline for entries is the waving of that flag in Alghero (12:25  CET): if you don't get your team to me before I go to bed on Thursday night (about midnight UK time), I won't be able to check it.
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    Re: 2017 Giro CQ Game
    « Reply #16 on: May 04, 2017, 07:21 »
    All the Clarke/Cimolai/failure to count accurately to 9 issues have been addressed.

    A few extra teams are in (23 now), but if numbers are going to hold up to previous years I m hoping for a last day rush.

    Those 23 teams feature 61 of the 197 riders in the race: 32 of them are unique picks.  One is omitted by only 2 teams, one is on nearly 3/4 of teams, a third is also more selected than omitted, and one more is very close to that 50% selection mark.  4 teams combine all 4 of these top picks, but we all know that the popularity of a rider is no guarantee of his success.

    Just over 28 hours as of the timestamp on this post to get your teams in: good luck.
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    Re: 2017 Giro CQ Game
    « Reply #17 on: May 04, 2017, 16:52 »
     Sent my team in an hour ago.
    Just sent AC a second, much altered team. :fp
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    Re: 2017 Giro CQ Game
    « Reply #18 on: May 04, 2017, 18:23 »
    Sent my team in an hour ago.
    Just sent AC a second, much altered team. :fp

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    Re: 2017 Giro CQ Game
    « Reply #19 on: May 04, 2017, 23:55 »
    The automatic replacements for Ruffoni and Pirazzi according to the game rules above would be Albanese and Andreeta respectively.

    I'm guessing that is not the best way of using their points that the 9 teams still affected (some have already contacted me) would choose. 

    I'll PM the teams involved, and please get back to me as soon as possible with your change. 

    I guess I can extend the deadline a bit in the circumstances: I think it would it be fair if I said that affected times (but only affected teams) can have until 6pm (UK time) Friday evening, as I won't have a chance to put up team summaries much before that, on condition they do not pick anyone who scores points tomorrow (no restriction on changes before race starts, obviously).  Fair?
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    Re: 2017 Giro CQ Game
    « Reply #20 on: May 05, 2017, 07:04 »
    The automatic replacements for Ruffoni and Pirazzi according to the game rules above would be Albanese and Andreeta respectively.

    I'm guessing that is not the best way of using their points that the 9 teams still affected (some have already contacted me) would choose. 

    I'll PM the teams involved, and please get back to me as soon as possible with your change. 

    I guess I can extend the deadline a bit in the circumstances: I think it would it be fair if I said that affected times (but only affected teams) can have until 6pm (UK time) Friday evening, as I won't have a chance to put up team summaries much before that, on condition they do not pick anyone who scores points tomorrow (no restriction on changes before race starts, obviously).  Fair?

    what ever you think is ok , Is a tricky one
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    Re: 2017 Giro CQ Game
    « Reply #21 on: May 05, 2017, 16:38 »
    All the Pirazzi/Ruffoni teams got themselves sorted before the race started, so no need for special dispensations after all.

    No new entries after the early hours of this morning, so 46 teams aboard, all with 9 starters.

    I'm just in from work: I'll watch the last few km then start putting the analysis together.
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    Re: 2017 Giro CQ Game
    « Reply #22 on: May 05, 2017, 16:57 »
    All I am going to say is

    :win   :D
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    Re: 2017 Giro CQ Game
    « Reply #23 on: May 05, 2017, 19:08 »
    Here are our 46 teams, with their hopes of glory.  Teams are listed alphabetically, riders within each team from most to least expensive, and unique picks shown with an asterisk.

    AG
       NIBALI Vincenzo   
       ZAKARIN Ilnur   
       POZZOVIVO Domenico   
       KIRYIENKA Vasil   *
       LANDA MEANA Mikel   
       DE BUYST Jasper   *
       FERRARI Roberto   *
       GASPAROTTO Enrico   
       HEPBURN Michael   

    AmisVelo
       PINOT Thibaut   
       NIBALI Vincenzo   
       KRUIJSWIJK Steven   
       LANDA MEANA Mikel   
       FRAILE MATARRANZ Omar   
       FOLIFOROV Alexander   
       CICCONE Giulio   
       JANSE VAN RENSBURG Jacques   *
       PONZI Simone   

    Armchair Cyclist
       NIBALI Vincenzo   
       THOMAS Geraint   
       ZAKARIN Ilnur   
       LANDA MEANA Mikel   
       HIRT Jan   
       VERONA QUINTANILLA Carlos   *
       BATTAGLIN Enrico   *
       HEPBURN Michael   
       VAN DEN BROECK Jurgen   

    Bicycle Boy
       YATES Adam   
       KRUIJSWIJK Steven   
       ZAKARIN Ilnur   
       ROLLAND Pierre   
       LANDA MEANA Mikel   
       KANGERT Tanel   
       FOLIFOROV Alexander   
       TIRALONGO Paolo   
       ALAFACI Eugenio   

    Blues in the Bottle
       YATES Adam   
       GAVIRIA RENDON Fernando   
       THOMAS Geraint   
       VAN GARDEREN Tejay   
       LANDA MEANA Mikel   
       DEIGNAN Philip   *
       ALAFACI Eugenio   
       AGNOLI Valerio   
       KOZONTCHUK Dmitriy   

    Carlo_Algatrensig
       NIBALI Vincenzo   
       KRUIJSWIJK Steven   
       VAN GARDEREN Tejay   
       FORMOLO Davide   
       LANDA MEANA Mikel   
       HIRT Jan   
       FOLIFOROV Alexander   
       LUDVIGSSON Tobias   
       SCHLEGEL Michal   *

    ChrisDK
       NIBALI Vincenzo   
       THOMAS Geraint   
       FORMOLO Davide   
       KONRAD Patrick   
       LANDA MEANA Mikel   
       CARTHY Hugh   
       MONTAGUTI Matteo   *
       FOLIFOROV Alexander   
       TIRALONGO Paolo   

    Comodoro
       NIBALI Vincenzo   
       KRUIJSWIJK Steven   
       VAN GARDEREN Tejay   
       FORMOLO Davide   
       LANDA MEANA Mikel   
       KANGERT Tanel   
       FOLIFOROV Alexander   
       CICCONE Giulio   
       SAVITSKY Ivan   

    Crevaison
       PINOT Thibaut   
       NIBALI Vincenzo   
       ZAKARIN Ilnur   
       LANDA MEANA Mikel   
       KANGERT Tanel   
       FOLIFOROV Alexander   
       VAN DEN BROECK Jurgen   
       PONZI Simone   
       AGNOLI Valerio   

    Del1962
       PINOT Thibaut   
       NIBALI Vincenzo   
       VAN GARDEREN Tejay   
       LANDA MEANA Mikel   
       CARTHY Hugh   
       FRAILE MATARRANZ Omar   
       FOLIFOROV Alexander   
       PELUCCHI Matteo   
       VAN DEN BROECK Jurgen   

    DJW
       YATES Adam   
       THOMAS Geraint   
       ZAKARIN Ilnur   
       AMADOR BIKKAZAKOVA Andrey   
       LANDA MEANA Mikel   
       PELUCCHI Matteo   
       EDMONDSON Alexander   
       VAN DEN BROECK Jurgen   
       BOEM Nicola   *

    Fauniera
       PINOT Thibaut   
       GAVIRIA RENDON Fernando   
       POZZOVIVO Domenico   
       ROLLAND Pierre   
       LANDA MEANA Mikel   
       FRAILE MATARRANZ Omar   
       PELUCCHI Matteo   
       EDMONDSON Alexander   
       TIRALONGO Paolo   

    Flo
       PINOT Thibaut   
       KRUIJSWIJK Steven   
       ZAKARIN Ilnur   
       LANDA MEANA Mikel   
       KANGERT Tanel   
       FRAILE MATARRANZ Omar   
       GASPAROTTO Enrico   
       FIRSANOV Sergey   
       CICCONE Giulio   

    Geraint Too Fast
       NIBALI Vincenzo   
       YATES Adam   
       KRUIJSWIJK Steven   
       LANDA MEANA Mikel   
       FRAILE MATARRANZ Omar   
       FOLIFOROV Alexander   
       FIRSANOV Sergey   
       PETILLI Simone   
       KISERLOVSKI Robert   

    GodChild
       NIBALI Vincenzo   
       KRUIJSWIJK Steven   
       POZZOVIVO Domenico   
       ROLLAND Pierre   
       LANDA MEANA Mikel   
       CATALDO Dario   
       FRAILE MATARRANZ Omar   
       FOLIFOROV Alexander   
       LUDVIGSSON Tobias   

    GPBlanco
       NIBALI Vincenzo   
       GAVIRIA RENDON Fernando   
       AMADOR BIKKAZAKOVA Andrey   
       ROLLAND Pierre   
       LANDA MEANA Mikel   
       KANGERT Tanel   
       FRAILE MATARRANZ Omar   
       GASPAROTTO Enrico   
       KISERLOVSKI Robert   

    Hakkie2
       NIBALI Vincenzo   
       GAVIRIA RENDON Fernando   
       WOODS Michael   
       KONRAD Patrick   
       LANDA MEANA Mikel   
       HENAO GOMEZ Sebastian   *
       FRAILE MATARRANZ Omar   
       FOLIFOROV Alexander   
       FIRSANOV Sergey   

    Hugo87
       PINOT Thibaut   
       NIBALI Vincenzo   
       VAN GARDEREN Tejay   
       AMADOR BIKKAZAKOVA Andrey   
       LANDA MEANA Mikel   
       FOLIFOROV Alexander   
       CICCONE Giulio   
       VAN DEN BROECK Jurgen   
       PONZI Simone   

    Jakob747
       PINOT Thibaut   
       YATES Adam   
       ZAKARIN Ilnur   
       LANDA MEANA Mikel   
       POLANC Jan   
       FOLIFOROV Alexander   
       RAVASI Edward   
       MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe   
       KOSHEVOY Ilia   

    Joelsim
       GAVIRIA RENDON Fernando   
       KRUIJSWIJK Steven   
       ZAKARIN Ilnur   
       VAN GARDEREN Tejay   
       LANDA MEANA Mikel   
       DOMBROWSKI Joseph Lloyd   
       PELUCCHI Matteo   
       MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe   
       ANDREETTA Simone   *

    Josedin
       GAVIRIA RENDON Fernando   
       KRUIJSWIJK Steven   
       ZAKARIN Ilnur   
       SBARAGLI Kristian   *
       LANDA MEANA Mikel   
       FRAILE MATARRANZ Omar   
       FOLIFOROV Alexander   
       EDMONDSON Alexander   
       RODRIGUEZ MARTIN Cristian   

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       PINOT Thibaut   
       NIBALI Vincenzo   
       KRUIJSWIJK Steven   
       VAN GARDEREN Tejay   
       PÖSTLBERGER Lukas   *
       FIRSANOV Sergey   
       PONZI Simone   
       AGNOLI Valerio   
       KOZONTCHUK Dmitriy   

    Kabete
       PINOT Thibaut   
       KRUIJSWIJK Steven   
       AMADOR BIKKAZAKOVA Andrey   
       LANDA MEANA Mikel   
       KANGERT Tanel   
       MONFORT Maxime   *
       HIRT Jan   
       FRAILE MATARRANZ Omar   
       HANSEN Jesper   

    Kazistuta
       NIBALI Vincenzo   
       THOMAS Geraint   
       JUNGELS Bob   
       LANDA MEANA Mikel   
       BAUHAUS Phil   
       HIRT Jan   
       FIRSANOV Sergey   
       SAVITSKY Ivan   
       TIRALONGO Paolo   

    Laarsland
       PINOT Thibaut   
       KRUIJSWIJK Steven   
       ZAKARIN Ilnur   
       LANDA MEANA Mikel   
       KANGERT Tanel   
       FRAILE MATARRANZ Omar   
       FOLIFOROV Alexander   
       HANSEN Jesper   
       SAVITSKY Ivan   

    Leadbelly
       PINOT Thibaut   
       THOMAS Geraint   
       ZAKARIN Ilnur   
       LANDA MEANA Mikel   
       CATALDO Dario   
       FRAILE MATARRANZ Omar   
       FOLIFOROV Alexander   
       GASPAROTTO Enrico   
       HANSEN Jesper   

    LightBing
       GAVIRIA RENDON Fernando   
       KRUIJSWIJK Steven   
       MODOLO Sacha   
       POZZOVIVO Domenico   
       LANDA MEANA Mikel   
       FOLIFOROV Alexander   
       GASPAROTTO Enrico   
       FIRSANOV Sergey   
       AGNOLI Valerio   

    Los Brolin
       PINOT Thibaut   
       KRUIJSWIJK Steven   
       ZAKARIN Ilnur   
       VAN GARDEREN Tejay   
       LANDA MEANA Mikel   
       GASPAROTTO Enrico   
       PELUCCHI Matteo   
       RAVASI Edward   
       AGNOLI Valerio   

    Mellow Velo
       YATES Adam   
       KRUIJSWIJK Steven   
       JUNGELS Bob   
       ROLLAND Pierre   
       LANDA MEANA Mikel   
       CAMPENAERTS Victor   *
       FOLIFOROV Alexander   
       GASPAROTTO Enrico   
       VAUGRENARD Benoît   *

    Minessa
       NIBALI Vincenzo   
       THOMAS Geraint   
       KRUIJSWIJK Steven   
       POZZOVIVO Domenico   
       LANDA MEANA Mikel   
       AMEZQUETA MORENO Julen   
       PONZI Simone   
       TIRALONGO Paolo   
       KOZONTCHUK Dmitriy   

    Rote Laterne
       NIBALI Vincenzo   
       YATES Adam   
       KRUIJSWIJK Steven   
       LANDA MEANA Mikel   
       KANGERT Tanel   
       FRAILE MATARRANZ Omar   
       AMEZQUETA MORENO Julen   
       TIRALONGO Paolo   
       AGNOLI Valerio   

    Russell23
       THOMAS Geraint   
       ZAKARIN Ilnur   
       POZZOVIVO Domenico   
       FORMOLO Davide   
       LANDA MEANA Mikel   
       KANGERT Tanel   
       FRAILE MATARRANZ Omar   
       BUSATO Matteo   *
       FOLIFOROV Alexander   

    SafeBet
       NIBALI Vincenzo   
       YATES Adam   
       ZAKARIN Ilnur   
       LANDA MEANA Mikel   
       FRAILE MATARRANZ Omar   
       PETILLI Simone   
       PELUCCHI Matteo   
       CICCONE Giulio   
       EDMONDSON Alexander   

    Scrool07
       NIBALI Vincenzo   
       ZAKARIN Ilnur   
       MODOLO Sacha   
       VAN GARDEREN Tejay   
       LANDA MEANA Mikel   
       FOLIFOROV Alexander   
       PELUCCHI Matteo   
       CICCONE Giulio   
       MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe   

    Search
       NIBALI Vincenzo   
       MODOLO Sacha   
       VAN GARDEREN Tejay   
       BENNETT Sam   
       ROLLAND Pierre   
       LANDA MEANA Mikel   
       FRAILE MATARRANZ Omar   
       FIRSANOV Sergey   
       TIRALONGO Paolo   

    SemirS
       NIBALI Vincenzo   
       KRUIJSWIJK Steven   
       JUNGELS Bob   
       VAN GARDEREN Tejay   
       LANDA MEANA Mikel   
       FRAILE MATARRANZ Omar   
       FOLIFOROV Alexander   
       KOSHEVOY Ilia   
       AGNOLI Valerio   

    Shalgo
       QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander   *
       LANDA MEANA Mikel   
       CATALDO Dario   
       FRAILE MATARRANZ Omar   
       DOMBROWSKI Joseph Lloyd   
       FOLIFOROV Alexander   
       GASPAROTTO Enrico   
       PONZI Simone   
       SAVITSKY Ivan   

    SilverGrenade

       YATES Adam   
       ZAKARIN Ilnur   
       VAN GARDEREN Tejay   
       STUYVEN Jasper   *
       KONRAD Patrick   
       LANDA MEANA Mikel   
       FOLIFOROV Alexander   
       EDMONDSON Alexander   
       PLAZA MOLINA Ruben   *

    Spokenspin
       THOMAS Geraint   
       KRUIJSWIJK Steven   
       ZAKARIN Ilnur   
       VAN GARDEREN Tejay   
       KONRAD Patrick   
       FRAILE MATARRANZ Omar   
       SERRY Pieter   *
       FOLIFOROV Alexander   
       CHEVRIER Clément   *

    Squire
       NIBALI Vincenzo   
       KRUIJSWIJK Steven   
       ZAKARIN Ilnur   
       FORMOLO Davide   
       ROLLAND Pierre   
       LANDA MEANA Mikel   
       SAVITSKY Ivan   
       AGNOLI Valerio   
       KOZONTCHUK Dmitriy   

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       NIBALI Vincenzo   
       KRUIJSWIJK Steven   
       BENNETT Sam   
       WOODS Michael   
       ROLLAND Pierre   
       LANDA MEANA Mikel   
       FRAILE MATARRANZ Omar   
       FOLIFOROV Alexander   
       PONZI Simone   

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       NIBALI Vincenzo   
       KRUIJSWIJK Steven   
       MODOLO Sacha   
       FORMOLO Davide   
       LANDA MEANA Mikel   
       CONTI Valerio   *
       GASPAROTTO Enrico   
       RODRIGUEZ MARTIN Cristian   
       PONZI Simone   

    Trudgin
       PINOT Thibaut   
       NIBALI Vincenzo   
       GAVIRIA RENDON Fernando   
       MOLARD Rudy   *
       GASPAROTTO Enrico   
       CICCONE Giulio   
       BERNARD Julien   *
       TIRALONGO Paolo   
       ALAFACI Eugenio   

    Tych23
       THOMAS Geraint   
       KRUIJSWIJK Steven   
       ZAKARIN Ilnur   
       POZZOVIVO Domenico   
       LANDA MEANA Mikel   
       FRAILE MATARRANZ Omar   
       FOLIFOROV Alexander   
       BENEDETTI Cesare   *
       TIRALONGO Paolo   

    Vladimir
       NIBALI Vincenzo   
       KRUIJSWIJK Steven   
       KELDERMAN Wilco   *
       BENNETT Sam   
       LANDA MEANA Mikel   
       POLANC Jan   
       SAMOILAU Branislau   *
       PONZI Simone   
       KISERLOVSKI Robert   

    Yellow Knight
       DUMOULIN Tom   *
       KRUIJSWIJK Steven   
       BILBAO LOPEZ DE ARMENTIA Pello   *
       ROLLAND Pierre   
       KANGERT Tanel   
       BAUHAUS Phil   
       TIRALONGO Paolo   
       AGNOLI Valerio   
       KOZONTCHUK Dmitriy   
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    Re: 2017 Giro CQ Game
    « Reply #24 on: May 05, 2017, 19:42 »
    Major Purchases

    The chances of a team normally are determined primarily by the big purchases: below are the riders who cost 679pts or more, and who took them in what combinations.  (Ordered from highest price)

    Quintana   alone:      Shalgo               
    Dumoulin   with Kruijswijk:      Yellow Knight               
    Pinot   with Nibali   and Gaviria:   Trudgin               
    Pinot   with Nibali   and Kruijswijk:   AmisVelo,   Just Some Guy            
    Pinot   with Nibali   and Zakarin:   Crevaison               
    Pinot   with Nibali:      Del1962,   Hugo87            
    Pinot   with Yates   and Zakarin:   Jakob747               
    Pinot   with Gaviria:      Fauniera               
    Pinot   with Thomas   and Zakarin:   Leadbelly               
    Pinot   with Kruijswijk   and Zakarin:   Flo,   Laarsland,   Los Brolin         
    Pinot   with Kruijswijk:      Kabete                     
    Nibali   with Yates   and Zakarin:   SafeBet               
    Nibali   with Yates   and Kruijswijk:   Geraint Too Fast,   Rote Laterne      
    Nibali   With Gaviria      GPBlanco:   Hakkie2            
    Nibali   with Thomas   and Kruijswijk:   Minessa               
    Nibali   with Thomas   and Zakarin:   Armchair_Cyclist               
    Nibali   with Thomas   and Jungels:   Kazistuta               
    Nibali   with Thomas:      ChrisDK               
    Nibali   with Kruijswijk   and Zakarin:   Squire               
    Nibali   with Kruijswijk   and Jungels:   SemirS               
    Nibali   with Kruijswijk:      Carlo_Algatrensig,   Comodoro,   GodChild,   ThePirate81,   Torcia86,   Vladimir,
    Nibali   With Zakarin:      AG,   Scrool07            
    Nibali   alone:      Search               
    Yates   with Gaviria   and Thomas:   Blues in the Bottle               
    Yates   with Thomas   and Zakarin:   DJW               
    Yates   with Kruijswijk   and Zakarin:   Bicycle Boy               
    Yates   with Kruijswijk   and Jungels:   Mellow Velo               
    Yates   with Zakarin:      SilverGrenade               
    Gaviria   with Kruijswijk   and Zakarin:   Joelsim,   Josedin            
    Gaviria   with Kruijswijk:      LightBing               
    Thomas   with Kruijswijk   and Zakarin:   Spokenspin,   Tych23            
    Thomas   with Zakarin:      Russell23               
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    Re: 2017 Giro CQ Game
    « Reply #25 on: May 05, 2017, 20:16 »
    All I am going to say is

    :win   :D

    Unbelievable  :-x
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    Re: 2017 Giro CQ Game
    « Reply #26 on: May 05, 2017, 20:26 »
    Rider popularity

    There are 195 riders in the race (22x9, minus Astana's non-replacement of Scarponi and two Bardiani fools): 80 of themhave been selected.

    Of the 46 teams, how many chose each rider?
    (The nine riders in bold are the Collective Wisdom team: to simply take the nine most popular riders would be so wildly over budget as to make comparison with managers' teams meaningless.  This combination is slightly below budget at 3404 pts)

    42: LANDA MEANA Mikel
    26: NIBALI Vincenzo
    25: KRUIJSWIJK Steven, FOLIFOROV Alexander
    21: FRAILE MATARRANZ Omar
    19: ZAKARIN Ilnur
    13: PINOT Thibaut, VAN GARDEREN Tejay
    10: THOMAS Geraint, KANGERT Tanel, GASPAROTTO Enrico, TIRALONGO Paolo
    9: YATES Adam, ROLLAND Pierre, PONZI Simone, AGNOLI Valerio
    8: GAVIRIA RENDON Fernando
    7: POZZOVIVO Domenico, FIRSANOV Sergey, PELUCCHI Matteo, CICCONE Giulio
    6: FORMOLO Davide
    5: EDMONDSON Alexander, VAN DEN BROECK Jurgen, SAVITSKY Ivan, KOZONTCHUK Dmitriy
    4: MODOLO Sacha, AMADOR BIKKAZAKOVA Andrey, KONRAD Patrick, HIRT Jan
    3: JUNGELS Bob, BENNETT Sam, CATALDO Dario, HANSEN Jesper, MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe, KISERLOVSKI Robert, ALAFACI Eugenio
    2: WOODS Michael, CARTHY Hugh, BAUHAUS Phil, POLANC Jan, DOMBROWSKI Joseph Lloyd, LUDVIGSSON Tobias, PETILLI Simone, HEPBURN Michael, RAVASI Edward, RODRIGUEZ MARTIN Cristian, KOSHEVOY Ilia, AMEZQUETA MORENO Julen

    and the 31 unique picks can be seen in the team lists above, marked with an asterisk.
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    Re: 2017 Giro CQ Game
    « Reply #27 on: May 05, 2017, 20:43 »
    Team Popularity ranking

    The total of the number of teams each rider in each team is picked by: so Landa would add 42 to your score, Nibali 26, and a unique pick just 1.

    1   AmisVelo   169
    2   SemirS   166
    3   Laarsland   163
    4   ThePirate81   162
    5   GeraintTooFast   160
    5   GodChild   160
    5   Tych23   160
    8   Comodoro   159
    9   Crevaison   158
    10   Del1962   154
    10   Flo   154
    10   Rote_Laterne   154
    13   BicycleBoy   152
    14   Josedin   148
    15   Leadbelly   146
    15   Scrool07   146
    15   Squire   146
    18   Carlo_Algatrensig   144
    18   Hugo87   144
    20   Russell23   141
    21   LosBrolin   140
    22   SafeBet   138
    23   LightBing   137
    24   Hakkie2   136
    24   Minessa   136
    26   Search   135
    27   GPBlanco   133
    28   ChrisDK   126
    29   Mellow_Velo   125
    29   Torcia86   125
    31   Kabete   123
    32   Fauniera   122
    33   Joelsim   120
    34   SilverGrenade   119
    34   Spokenspin   119
    36   Shalgo   118
    37   Jakob747   117
    38   Vladimir   112
    39   Armchair_Cyclist   110
    40   AG   109
    40   Kazistuta   109
    42   JustSomeGuy   108
    43   DJW   102
    44   BluesInTheBottle   100
    45   Trudgin   79
    46   Yellow_Knight   72
       Collective_Wisdom   188
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    Re: 2017 Giro CQ Game
    « Reply #28 on: May 05, 2017, 20:55 »
    heheh I didn´t even consider Landa  :lol
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    Re: 2017 Giro CQ Game
    « Reply #29 on: May 06, 2017, 12:38 »
    Stage 1

    Sorry I'm late: spreadsheet instability, evening out, Saturday lie-in, repeated spreadsheet instability, ...

    Purple points
    No normal person uses the word cyclamen as a colour name in English, and those who do use it to refer to a shade of pink similar to that worn by the race  leader.  I'm no gardener, but a quick Google images view of cyclamen shows that they come in pink, white, red or a pale lilac shade of purple.  That shirt is undeniably purple, and the imperial history of the colour should make all sprinters (and Austrian barodeurs) proud to recognise it as such, so that's what I call it.

    So the daily points won that are safe and secure, those for being in the top 10 in any stage (70, 40, 25, 15, 10, 7, 5, 3, 2, 1) and the 18 bonus points for wearing the pink jersey (and that can become equivalent to several stage wins in some editions) are logged under this heading.  These are the points that a rider keeps even if he fails to finish.

    Top sprinters are expensive, and there are not that many stages that they will get their points on, so any sprinter purchase is a risky one in this game, but it sometimes pays off.  And then, of course, there is the possibility that sprinters will be robbed of the points that are available to them by an unlikely leadout man rolling away from the front of the race.

    PÖSTLBERGER Lukas   88pts   1   teams (Just Some Guy)
    EWAN Caleb   40   0   teams
    GREIPEL André   25   0   teams
    NIZZOLO Giacomo   15   0   teams
    MODOLO Sacha   10   4   teams (LightBing, Scrool07, Search, Torcia86)
    SBARAGLI Kristian   7   1   teams (Josedin)
    STUYVEN Jasper   5   1   teams (Silver Grenade)
    GIBBONS Ryan   3   0   teams
    BENNETT Sam   2   3   teams (Search, ThePirate81, Vladimir)
    BAUHAUS Phil   1   2   teams (Kazistuta, Yellow Knight)


    I'm willing to bet that whatever points Just Some Guy thought he would get from the unique pick of Postleberger, it was not from winning an obvious sprint stage and wearing pink.  I'll trust that his recent win of the Spring Classics game was less of a fluke.

    1   JustSomeGuy   88
    2   Search   12
    3   Scrool07   10
    3   LightBing   10
    3   Torcia86   10
    6   Josedin   7
    7   SilverGrenade   5
    8   ThePirate81   2
    8   Vladimir   2
    10   Kazistuta   1
    10   Yellow_Knight   1
     (That's not a decision to show the top ten: it's the only teams with points in this category)

    Pink points
    These are all the points that a rider has in all the categories, so that is the accumulated guaranteed "purple" points, plus the points relevant to his current standings in the GC, and the points and mountains categories.   CQ rankings are fairly GC heavy compared to other websites: the top ten get 500, , 75, 315, 265, 240, 215, 190, 165, 150 and 135, then down through 66 for 20th, 44 for 30th, 26 for 40th to 16 for 50th and 15 for all other finishers.  KoM and Points jerseys score the same as a stage.  There are no points here for white jersey, nor for the myriad other minor competitions that the Giro maintains.

    I won't list the riders' points each day, but I'll note major point gains or losses by rider: yes, points can be lost (for example Benedetti, a unique pick for Tych23 as a late replacement for Pirazzi, has 70 points at the moment for leading the KoM, but has not gone in the break today, so is likely to fall to about 3rd in that ranking, in which case his score tonight will be 45 less than this morning).  After GC relevant stages, esp in the first week or two, there will be very large changes here, but this is the real competition.

    (The scores might look impressive, but even if your riders filled places 187 to 195 yesterday you would have 135 points)

    1   JustSomeGuy   881
    2   Search   527
    3   LightBing   467
    4   Torcia86   445
    5   Kazistuta   421
    6   Josedin   415
    7   Scrool07   405
    8   Vladimir   372
    9   SilverGrenade   355
    9   ThePirate81   355
    11   BluesInTheBottle   329
    12   Armchair_Cyclist   318
    13   Minessa   313
    14   Tych23   291
    15   Hakkie2   286
    16   Yellow_Knight   272
    17   GPBlanco   271
    18   Trudgin   265
    19   SemirS   262
    19   ChrisDK   262
    21   Fauniera   255
    22   Hugo87   244
    23   Mellow_Velo   243
    24   Joelsim   241
    25   Shalgo   238
    26   AmisVelo   233
    26   Crevaison   233
    28   DJW   229
    29   GeraintTooFast   222
    29   SafeBet   222
    31   Russell23   221
    32   AG   219
    33   Spokenspin   216
    34   Rote_Laterne   215
    35   GodChild   207
    36   Comodoro   202
    37   Leadbelly   196
    38   Del1962   193
    38   Carlo_Algatrensig   193
    40   Squire   191
    40   Jakob747   191
    42   BicycleBoy   174
    43   LosBrolin   152
    44   Laarsland   150
    45   Flo   141
    45   Kabete   141
       Collective_Wisdom   182
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