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Re: Team Sponsorship 17/18
« Reply #120 on: January 03, 2018, 18:41 »
There's a new Italian-Romanian Conti team, MsTina - Focus, let by former #nippo DS Stefano Giuliani and they have signed some of the best Italian riders still on the market:

#androni Federico Zurlo
#fantini Nicolas Marini
#nippo Giacomo Berlato
#nippo Riccardo Stacchiotti
#nippo Pierpaolo De Negri
#wilier (stagiaire) Mattia Marcelli

the Romanian part of the team will consist of Andrei Cojanu, Emil Dima, Vlad Nicolae Dovre, Andrei Ionut, Sdraila Ionut, Raul Sinza and Emanuel Stan

http://cyclingpro.net/spaziociclismo/ciclomercato/nasce-team-mstina-focus-progetto-stefano-giuliani-tanti-italiani-nellorganico/
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    Re: Team Sponsorship 17/18
    « Reply #121 on: January 03, 2018, 21:27 »
    No room for Daniel Crista though. :(
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    Re: Team Sponsorship 17/18
    « Reply #122 on: January 04, 2018, 10:30 »
    Lotto Soudal: Rudy Project glasses and HJC helmets


    Are  #jumbo staying with Lazer helmets do you know?
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    Re: Team Sponsorship 17/18
    « Reply #123 on: January 08, 2018, 20:44 »
    Are  #jumbo staying with Lazer helmets do you know?

    yes, LAzer helmets and Shimano kit, shoes and glasses. Lazer has been bought by Shimano
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    Re: Team Sponsorship 17/18
    « Reply #124 on: January 08, 2018, 21:36 »
    yes, LAzer helmets and Shimano kit, shoes and glasses. Lazer has been bought by Shimano

    What about tires? They had some wonderful stuff for time trials in wet weather last year....  :P
    (Having said that, one win in in tour des fjords, launched by downhill attack in a challenging descent in Nordheimsund - so it can’t be as bad as it seemed to be in the time trials...)
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    Re: Team Sponsorship 17/18
    « Reply #125 on: February 28, 2018, 21:13 »
    https://www.nu.nl/schaatsen/5155661/lotto-stopt-als-hoofdsponsor-van-schaats--en-wielerteam-lotto-jumbo.html[1]

    Lotto stops as title sponsor for #jumbo Team LottoNL-Jumbo, apparently at the end of the year, as they make way for a new sponsor ready to step up.
    The new sponsor should be made public soon.
     1. I love that the Dutch media outlet filed this under speedskating, not cycling! :D
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    Re: Team Sponsorship 17/18
    « Reply #126 on: February 28, 2018, 21:30 »
    https://www.nu.nl/schaatsen/5155661/lotto-stopt-als-hoofdsponsor-van-schaats--en-wielerteam-lotto-jumbo.html[1]

    Lotto stops as title sponsor for #jumbo Team LottoNL-Jumbo, apparently at the end of the year, as they make way for a new sponsor ready to step up.
    The new sponsor should be made public soon.
     1. I love that the Dutch media outlet filed this under speedskating, not cycling! :D

    That's because their most famous athlete is Sven Kramer .... the cyclists still have a way to go to claim they are on the same level.
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    Re: Team Sponsorship 17/18
    « Reply #127 on: March 01, 2018, 14:04 »
    https://www.telegraaf.nl/sport/wielrennen/1734235/jumbo-verzekert-toekomst-schaats-en-wielerploeg

    It's Jumbo stepping up (from 1 April for the speedskating team, from 1 January 2019 for the cycling team).
    Five years, 15 million yearly budget for the cycling team.

    This also means we won't have to change the #jumbo kit smiley code. :lol
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    Re: Team Sponsorship 17/18
    « Reply #129 on: April 30, 2018, 12:11 »
    and Sunweb stays for another couple of years. Or not. No one knows. So let's just call it a "revolution" :D

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    http://teamsunweb.com/sunweb-extension/

    Edit: okay, seems like it's definitely long term:

    https://twitter.com/WestemeyerSusan/status/990914936833499137
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    Re: Team Sponsorship 17/18
    « Reply #130 on: April 30, 2018, 17:00 »
    Seems like dutch cycling is on the mend, with both #jumbo and #sunweb having secured longer-term deals. I guess #sunweb Tom Dumoulin's  #pink helps in such negotiations, as well as #jumbo Dylan Groenewegen's string of wins this year, but it still seems like some serious sponsors are trickling back to cycling after the great doping scandals devalued the entire sport.

    BTW is Sunweb (the company) Dutch or German? On the homepage it seems like they are dutch (but sell to many markets in Europe).
    And the team, is it counted as Dutch?  I became a little uncertain.  :slow
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    Re: Team Sponsorship 17/18
    « Reply #131 on: April 30, 2018, 17:11 »
    Sunweb is a Dutch company based in Switzerland. Sponsoring a Dutch team licensed in Germany :D

    I've been to the team presentation (at the Münster airport) last year and they said indeed that they would like to explore their operation on the German market (charter travels from German airports and so on), that's why it would make a lot of sense to run the team in the way it is
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    Re: Team Sponsorship 17/18
    « Reply #132 on: April 30, 2018, 21:31 »
    I noticed that one of Sunweb's holiday packages is a self-drive cycling holiday (https://autovakanties.sunweb.nl/cyclosportieve-wielertochten). Which may partly explain this relationship - they actually have a long-term business interest in being a known name in the cycling universe, as opposed to a known name in the cycling universe being a route to more generic publicity.

    On a side note, looking at the home page (https://www.sunweb.com/) it seems us Brits are only trusted to ski. Sun or self-drive? It's a no from Sunweb.
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    Re: Team Sponsorship 17/18
    « Reply #133 on: May 03, 2018, 12:04 »
    things are looking not too rosy for #aquablue Aqua Blue Sport

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    "Not a chance, nowhere near it." Delaney says. "I have to keep trying, I have to keep going. To be honest we're going to have to look at a third-party sponsor - which is something I never wanted to do - to carry us through next year and the year after. We're going to have to put our hand out.

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    They are moving some of their development positions from Cork to London, where his daughter and team director Jamie lives, but will maintain a strong Irish connection, and Delaney hopes to be able to attract an Irish business to be co-sponsor next year.

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    Re: Team Sponsorship 17/18
    « Reply #134 on: May 03, 2018, 12:58 »
    things are looking not too rosy for #aquablue Aqua Blue Sport

    https://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/cycling/i-have-invested-7m-in-cycling-and-they-wont-give-us-a-start-aqua-blue-boss-36864854.html
    No surprise there, frankly.
    "Looking at a third-party sponsor" - to me that means that the team might be "Aqua Blue-Sponsor Name" next year.

    If he ever seriously thought that the team would finance itself after a two-year start-up period, he's disregarding 120 years of cycling history.

    He does have a point that the team isn't getting the invites this year ... but they also had a lot of luck in their debut season.
    They got too many invites last year compared to what they had shown, this year they get too few. Combined, that kind of equals out.

    The part about races not paying the team enough respect because "the team is the brand, the brand is the team - on that basis alone we should be given more respect" ... A race organiser doesn't give a sh*t about that.


    Delaney also says, about the co-sponsor, "if we don't get one, we don't get one and I'll continue solo." :angel
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    Re: Team Sponsorship 17/18
    « Reply #135 on: May 03, 2018, 13:03 »
    yeah, yeah, he loves to talk about "respect", and a lack of support. Now that they are obviously not at the Giro... how about supporting the home races instead and take part in the Ras?!
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    Re: Team Sponsorship 17/18
    « Reply #137 on: May 15, 2018, 08:25 »
    #sunweb Team Sunweb leaves (former name sponsor) Giant and will use Cervelo bikes on from the next season. Giant is in talks with Jumbo instead, while Bianchi may move over to UAE

    https://www.fiets.nl/2018/05/15/sunweb-ruilt-giant-voor-cervelo-in/
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    Re: Team Sponsorship 17/18
    « Reply #138 on: May 15, 2018, 11:10 »
    #sunweb Team Sunweb leaves (former name sponsor) Giant and will use Cervelo bikes on from the next season. Giant is in talks with Jumbo instead, while Bianchi may move over to UAE

    https://www.fiets.nl/2018/05/15/sunweb-ruilt-giant-voor-cervelo-in/
    :o
    Bianchi going to an Italian team[1] makes sense.

    But Giant leaving Sunweb (or Sunweb leaving Giant)? This is the next in what feels like a long line of (co-)sponsors who have parted ways with the Dutch-German outfit: Argos Oil, Alpecin ... Hmm. :shh

    Also, what does this mean for Cervélo's current team, Dimension Data?
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    Re: Team Sponsorship 17/18
    « Reply #139 on: May 17, 2018, 08:13 »
    https://www.reddit.com/r/peloton/comments/8k1eww/future_of_bmc_team_secured_deloitte_will_replace/
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    Original article in Dutch

    Van Avermaet & co vinden geldschieter OSIMO De toekomst van de BMC-wielerploeg is verzekerd. De WorldTour-formatie heeft met Deloitte een nieuwe hoofdsponsor terwijl Giant als materiaalsponsor groot instapt. Door het overlijden van BMC eigenaar Andy Rihs werd de geldkraan richting het team van onder anderen Greg van Avermaet, Tejay van Garderen en Rohan Dennis dicht gedraaid. Nu kan teammanager Jim Ochowitz weer verder bouwen. Giant had nog een doorlopend contract met Team Sunweb, maar besloten vorige week definitief uit elkaar te gaan. Giant sprak vervolgens met Jumbo, maar het Taiwanese fietsenmerk wil zich verbinden aan een meer internationaal team. Deloitte was eerder al cosponsor bij Dimension Data.


    Good news for BMC, not so good for Dimension Data, who lose a big co-sponsor having already lost their bike manufacturer.  Will BMC bikes still want to be part of the sport? Presumably casts some uncertainty on the Jumbo to ride Giant story as well.

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    Re: Team Sponsorship 17/18
    « Reply #140 on: May 17, 2018, 10:47 »
    https://www.reddit.com/r/peloton/comments/8k1eww/future_of_bmc_team_secured_deloitte_will_replace/

    Good news for BMC, not so good for Dimension Data, who lose a big co-sponsor having already lost their bike manufacturer.  Will BMC bikes still want to be part of the sport? Presumably casts some uncertainty on the Jumbo to ride Giant story as well.



    those weird men at Bianchi have been re-upping the Belkin-Lotto-Jumbo deal 1 year at a time, every year. for sure other brands are interested, every year, so they could change brand every end of season. that´s why Giant spoke with them.
    it is totally possible Bianchi could stay.
    there were rumors about UAE riding Bianchi in 2019 too. no idea
    If I were a Lotto-Jumbo fan I wouldnt buy a Bianchi, if every year my fav team could change brand
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    Re: Team Sponsorship 17/18
    « Reply #141 on: May 18, 2018, 14:36 »
    Gazzetta reports rumors UAE-Emirates could ride BMC bikes next year and are interested in Simon Yates and Porte

    if they sign Yates and Porte I´ll be a fan straight away   :cool :D
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    Re: Team Sponsorship 17/18
    « Reply #142 on: May 18, 2018, 16:15 »
    Gazzetta reports rumors UAE-Emirates could ride BMC bikes next year and are interested in Simon Yates and Porte

    if they sign Yates and Porte I´ll be a fan straight away   :cool :D

    Wonder how willing the Yates brothers will be to separate. Didn't last long with the Izagirres. Possibly a superstition.

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    Re: Team Sponsorship 17/18
    « Reply #143 on: June 05, 2018, 20:29 »
    http://www.leparisien.fr/sports/ile-de-france/cyclisme-auber-93-a-marque-des-points-04-06-2018-7752072.php

    #stmichel ---------> PCT ?

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    Surely there's not room for another French PCT (or PCT-lite even) team?

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    Re: Team Sponsorship 17/18
    « Reply #144 on: June 05, 2018, 21:08 »
    http://www.leparisien.fr/sports/ile-de-france/cyclisme-auber-93-a-marque-des-points-04-06-2018-7752072.php

    #stmichel ---------> PCT ?

    Surely there's not room for another French PCT (or PCT-lite even) team?

    Sure there's room, LB, but will you be able to tell them apart?

    Sometimes I get so confused that I think Kevin Réza rides for all French teams simultaneously.

    But srsly, if every well-liked French ex-domestique is doing it, how hard can it be?

    Hmmm, let's see...

    * Pre-apply for entry to next season's Amissa Bongo race.

    * Twist the arm of a parochially unsexy, hyper-regional sponsor run by one guy with a soft spot for cycling as it was when Hinault was transitioning to routed cables and Look pedals.

    * Sign up a featherweight team full of D1-fodder, Bernaudeau-Madiot rejects and a jaded, ageing, third-tier sprinter, have them do circuit training in a local community sports hall and hashtag it as #teambuilding on Instagram.

    * Make a lot of flashbang promises to local-regional journos including ridealongs (subject to Tour invitation only).

    * Sprinkle seasoning of exotic foreigners, preferably on one-year contracts or better, stagiaires only.

    * Make everyone understand the cost-benefit analysis of running an Ultegra/FSA mix and FFWD wheels. #marginalsavings

    When you think about it, all of the above represents a perfect French marriage, like wine and cheese or champagne socialism and three-day beard growth.

    Sign me the hell up.
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    Re: Team Sponsorship 17/18
    « Reply #145 on: June 05, 2018, 21:49 »
    I agree for the most part on the French PCT scene, and I find many of their teams underperforming and being over-rewarded with regards to participation in for example the TdF and other ASO events. When I say underperforming I have especially pointed at #fortuneo as a team were Norwegain riders (in the role of l'etranger exotique as described above) go because they can't get a contract anywhere else, and then they fade away. The team culture doesn't support them and the training methods in many cases are old fashioned, with a high focus on weight.
    Vegard Stake Laengen became much better when he went back to #joker, a Norwegian conti team, and now both Vegard and his boss from #joker, Gino den Oudenhove are working for world tour teams while Pierre Luc Perichon isn't, but he can ride the Tour de France and he beats the #joker riders once in a while.

    The other French pro-conti teams are not all equal. Veloconcept seems to struggle like Fortuneo but Direct Energie appears quite well managed on the sports side if on a shoestring budget and almost bankrupt every year.
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    Re: Team Sponsorship 17/18
    « Reply #146 on: June 06, 2018, 08:31 »
    The other French pro-conti teams are not all equal. Veloconcept seems to struggle like Fortuneo but Direct Energie appears quite well managed on the sports side if on a shoestring budget and almost bankrupt every year.

    Of course, I was being facetious above. :P Now I'm going to offer a more serious analysis that will bore or sound like needless repetition to most VR readers.

    What is going on here is really, I think, just a mix of French chauvinism coupled with the very real possibility of getting a wildcard invitation to the Tour de France, also on account of being French.

    Having spent more time examining the U23 scene and, to some extent, the D1 scene too, I must affirm that the riders coming out of both are very talented indeed but the style of racing in which they receive their "formation" no longer exists at the top levels of the sport and within a season or two they often "disappear" or find their level in lesser races. This can look like a regular career path for some youngsters until they find they can no longer make a step up.

    The French domestic stage and one-day races at UCI 2.x (Bessèges, Ain, Sarthe, Bretagne, Tro Bro, Drôme weekend, etc etc) tend, I think, to prove the argument. They are more often than not open, attacking races that end in solos and small groups. In their parcours and action they tend to resemble the D1 and U23 races.

    This is a style that's rarely seen at WT or the level or calendar spot where plenty of WT teams get interested, except perhaps in Plouay and recent editions of Paris-Tours, themselves both longstanding French traditions, of course. A lot of "unusual" outcomes have to do with the inability or unwillingness to impose a strict pattern on the race, which is what WT teams will normally do in almost every WT event or other start line dominated by their numbers.

    As an organiser, you can address this to some extent by making regular alterations to the parcours, or you can just suck it up. As a French PCT boss, you mostly have to suck it up, because you can't afford the kind of guys who can buy a stake in that sort of closed race.

    Hence the only available tactic being to initiate the BOTD every day and hope that De Gendt doesn't get into it.

    What you're left with at that point is a diet of what were once colourfully described as "sh*t small races" (or, if you're a glass half full kinda person, frequently more exciting races) and the outside possibility of doing P-N, Dauphiné and maybe even the Vuelta if you're plucky and your sponsor wants a package that could be described as "France Plus". In which case, the PCT is made for you.
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    Re: Team Sponsorship 17/18
    « Reply #147 on: June 06, 2018, 08:44 »
    Veloconcept
    Vital Concept, not Veloconcept. Veloconcept is what Riis' team was called for half a year in 2017.

    See, you can't even remember Coquard's team's correct name, they're that struggling.
    :lol


    Also, it should be mentioned that for the French federation (and tax authorities), all French Conti riders (or riders at French Conti teams) are considered pros - with the resultant minimum wages & social security contributions (at least for the French Conti teams), and obligation to race in the French championships.

    So for a French Conti team, the step up to ProConti isn't as big as it may seem, and probably brings more advantages (possibility of WT wildcards, and definitely some HC invitations) than disadvantages (wage budget doesn't have to be raised by multitudes, and the roster can stay more or less the same).
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    Re: Team Sponsorship 17/18
    « Reply #148 on: June 06, 2018, 21:58 »
    Vital Concept, not Veloconcept. Veloconcept is what Riis' team was called for half a year in 2017.
    See, you can't even remember Coquard's team's correct name, they're that struggling.
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