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Tour de Suisse 2017
« on: June 09, 2017, 10:35 »
2017 Tour de Suisse


With most of the Tour de France heavy hitters at the Dauphine, the Tour de Suisse is a great opportunity for some of the 2nd tier GC guys to do something special.

Some of the most important

- TJ Van Garderen and Greg Van Avermaet will both be looking to do good things for BMC
- Peter Sagan for Bora Handrohe
- Simon Spilak for Katusha
- Philippe Gilbert for Quickstep
- Tim Wellens for Lotto Soudal
- Michael Albasini - the TdS specialist - for Orica Scott
- Tom Dumoulin backs up from the Giro for Sunweb
- Steven Kruijswick for LottoNL Jumbo
- Sylvain Chavanel for Direct Energie

With quite a lot of Time trialling ... I am expecting Dumoulin to do well ... but there is a lot of climbing in this years race, so it will definitely take a reasonable all-rounder to take it out.






Stage 1 - Prologue

The prologue time trial at Hub Zug in Cham has become a cherished tradition. The course is flat and fast. ‘A high pace is guaranteed,’ says Loosli. However, which explosive time trial specialist will be able to assert himself the year after Fabian Cancellara?





Stage 2 - Cham - Cham
True to the motto ‘go west’, the second stage leads from Cham over the western cantonal border into the cantons of Aargau and Lucerne, where the highest point of the stage is reached at Horben. The track will loop four times over the Aargau viewpoint. Loosli says: ‘It is possible that some sprinters might fall behind and miss out on the big finale in Cham.’




Stage 3 - Menziken - Bern

The third stage of the 81st Tour de Suisse begins in the canton of Aargau. After an opening lap around Menziken, the riders will again cycle through the town and then head in the direction of the Emmental. This is the perfect stage for an ambitious breakaway group, although they may be caught as the race reaches Bern. ‘It is all set up for a spectacular sprint finish on Bern’s Papiermühlestrasse,’ says Loosli.




Stage 4 - Bern - Villars-sur-Ollon

It all gets going in western Switzerland. The fourth stage will begin at Münsterplatz in Bern and after a loop through the old town will head further west: ‘It will move into the mountains for the first time.’ The peloton will ride past Fribourg; then the riders will encounter their first real challenge at the Col des Mosses, before heading into Chablais. The final 11 km climb to Villars-sur-Ollon will suit a proven climber.




Stage 5 - Bex - Cevio

At this stage, the Tour de Suisse detours into Italy. From Bex, the riders will turn off in Brig towards the Simplon pass, which has an elevation of 2,005 m and lies within Switzerland. After crossing the Italian border, the fifth stage will travel over Italian soil back to Switzerland, passing through Centovalli to Avegno. There, the route turns into the Maggia valley before finishing in Cevio. Despite the climb up to the Simplon pass, there is no ruling out the possibility of a sprint finish.




Stage 6 - Locarno - La Punt

This year’s queen stage begins in the canton of Ticino and ends in the Romansch-speaking Engadine. The start line is in the middle of Locarno’s Piazza Grande, where the renowned film festival is held in August. Anyone who wants to play the starring role in this stage must first traverse the San Bernardino pass and then hold out on the climb to the Albula pass. ‘The rapid descent from Albula really demands something extra from the riders,’ says Loosli. ‘The stage winner will be able to relax only when crossing the finish line in La Punt.’ 




Stage 7 - Zernez - Solden

At 2,780 m, the seventh stage will reach the highest point of the 81st Tour de Suisse. After starting in Zernez, the route travels through the Lower Engadine before crossing the Austrian border at Martina and via Landeck to the entrance of the Ötztal. After passing through Sölden, the route once again travels along the steep 13 km Gletscherstrasse. Due to construction works at the Rettenbach glacier, the seventh stage will end 2.8 km further and with an additional 110 metres of altitude at the foot of the Tiefenbach glacier. ‘There is a final treat in store for the best climbers of the Tour de Suisse,’ Loosli promises. ‘In the very last section, there is a 1.7 km-long tunnel.’




Stage 8 - Schaffhausen - Schaffhausen

This stage will start and finish at the new LIPO park. The 100 km course on a 12.5 km city circuit promises a fast-paced race with plenty of racing dynamics and excitement. This shorter stage, with eight laps, offers plenty of variety for the public in Schaffhausen as well as those watching on TV. ‘This is an opportunity to further develop the Tour de Suisse and increase its popularity, and promote cycling in general,’ says Loosli.




Stage 9 - Schaffhausen - Schaffhausen

The contenders will fight for overall victory on almost the same route as in 2011. Every second will count, since time trials can completely upend the overall classification. ‘That is exactly what happened in 2011,’ explains Loosli. ‘The American Levi Leipheimer knocked the Italian Damiano Cunego down to second place in Schaffhausen during the final time trial – by four seconds.’ The stage will start in Schaffhausen’s old town and end at the LIPO Park.





Startlist - http://www.procyclingstats.com/race/Tour_de_Suisse_2017_Startlist

https://www.procyclingstats.com/pdf/startlist.php?id=171066





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    Re: Tour de Suisse 2017
    « Reply #2 on: June 10, 2017, 22:45 »
    Stage ITT result including split times (Top 30 + some potential gc contenders)

    RANK NAME INT INT -> FIN FIN
    1      #bmc   DENNIS Rohan      02:59 (1.)      <- 03:25 ->      06:24
    2      #bmc   *KÜNG Stefan      03:03 (8.)      <- 03:29 ->      06:32
    3      #trek   BRANDLE Matthias      03:01 (3.)      <- 03:32 ->      06:33
    4      #sunweb   MATTHEWS Michael      03:02 (6.)      <- 03:31 ->      06:33
    5      #sunweb   DUMOULIN Tom      03:04 (10.)      <- 03:29 ->      06:33
    6      #movistar   CASTROVIEJO Jonathan      03:05 (14.)      <- 03:30 ->      06:35
    7      #jumbo   BOOM Lars      03:01 (4.)      <- 03:35 ->      06:36
    8      #cannondale   MULLEN Ryan      03:03 (7.)      <- 03:34 ->      06:37
    9      #jumbo   LAMMERTINK Steven      03:06 (22.)      <- 03:32 ->      06:38
    10      #bmc   *ELMIGER Martin      03:05 (12.)      <- 03:33 ->      06:38
    11      #movistar   DOWSETT Alex      03:05 (17.)      <- 03:33 ->      06:38
    12      #orica   DURBRIDGE Luke      03:07 (30.)      <- 03:31 ->      06:38
    13      #cannondale   PHINNEY Taylor      03:04 (11.)      <- 03:35 ->      06:39
    14      #quickstep   LAMPAERT Yves      03:03 (9.)      <- 03:36 ->      06:39
    15      #bora   BARTA Jan      03:01 (2.)      <- 03:38 ->      06:39
    16      #bmc   VAN GARDEREN Tejay      03:10 (42.)      <- 03:29 ->      06:39
    17      #bora   SAGAN Peter      03:06 (18.)      <- 03:34 ->      06:40
    18      #bora   BODNAR Maciej      03:07 (25.)      <- 03:34 ->      06:41
    19      #aquablue   HANSEN Lasse Norman      03:02 (5.)      <- 03:41 ->      06:43
    20      #orica   *ALBASINI Michael      03:07 (27.)      <- 03:36 ->      06:43
    21      #ag2r   HOULE Hugo      03:10 (45.)      <- 03:34 ->      06:44
    22      #lotto   ROELANDTS Jurgen      03:08 (32.)      <- 03:36 ->      06:44
    23      #dimension   JANSE VAN RENSBURG Reinardt      03:09 (39.)      <- 03:35 ->      06:44
    24      #bmc   CARUSO Damiano      03:06 (24.)      <- 03:39 ->      06:45
    25      #direct   CHAVANEL Sylvain      03:05 (13.)      <- 03:40 ->      06:45
    26      #quickstep   TRENTIN Matteo      03:05 (16.)      <- 03:41 ->      06:46
    27      #sky   DOULL Owain      03:10 (43.)      <- 03:36 ->      06:46
    28      #sunweb   ARNDT Nikias      03:07 (31.)      <- 03:39 ->      06:46
    29      #jumbo   TEUNISSEN Mike      03:07 (28.)      <- 03:39 ->      06:46
    30      #lotto   WELLENS Tim      03:06 (19.)      <- 03:41 ->      06:47
    31      #bahrain   IZAGIRRE INSAUSTI Ion      03:09 (38.)      <- 03:39 ->      06:48
                               
    34      #trek   FELLINE Fabio      03:10 (47.)      <- 03:38 ->      06:48
                               
    38      #fdj   *REICHENBACH Sébastien      03:13 (81.)      <- 03:37 ->      06:50
                               
    53      #movistar   BETANCUR GOMEZ Carlos      03:14 (95.)      <- 03:38 ->      06:52
                               
    61      #uae   FARIA DA COSTA Rui Alberto      03:10 (48.)      <- 03:43 ->      06:53
                               
    67      #trek   PANTANO Jarlinson      03:11 (61.)      <- 03:43 ->      06:54
    68      #bora   KONRAD Patrick      03:12 (64.)      <- 03:42 ->      06:54
                               
    73      #jumbo   KRUIJSWIJK Steven      03:12 (68.)      <- 03:43 ->      06:55
                               
    76      #ag2r   POZZOVIVO Domenico      03:13 (83.)      <- 03:43 ->      06:56
                               
    93      #katusha   SPILAK Simon      03:17 (129.)      <- 03:43 ->      07:00
                               
    100      #ag2r   *FRANK Mathias      03:15 (99.)      <- 03:47 ->      07:02
                               
    125      #sky   NIEVE Mikel      03:18 (136.)      <- 03:47 ->      07:05
                               
    138      #cannondale   DOMBROWSKI Joseph      03:17 (121.)      <- 03:51 ->      07:08
                               
    141      #astana   LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel      03:17 (120.)      <- 03:51 ->      07:08
                               
    164      #ccc   HIRT Jan      03:26 (172.)      <- 03:52 ->      07:18

    some remarkable recoveries there in the 2nd part from Tejay (42nd to 16th), Houle (45th to 21st), Marczynski (114th to 42nd) and Bewley (137th to 56th), while Hoelgaard dropped from 15th to 88th and Boy van Poppel from 26th to 92nd.
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    Re: Tour de Suisse 2017
    « Reply #3 on: June 10, 2017, 22:46 »
    tomorrow's finishing circuit, via @raffilpt:

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    Re: Tour de Suisse 2017
    « Reply #4 on: June 11, 2017, 22:32 »
    well, that was an entertaining finale today with plenty of attacks over the final lap



    tomorrow could be more of the same:

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    Re: Tour de Suisse 2017
    « Reply #5 on: June 12, 2017, 18:33 »
    The Tour of Switzerland in a mode ‘Classic’ (Sudpresse headline)
    Gilbert and Van Avermaet Meet Again in Switzerland (Le Soir headline)





    (mix from Le Soir and Sudpresse 10 June 2017)

    Fourteen Belgians are participating at the prologue this Saturday in Cham, including Philippe Gilbert, Greg Van Avermaet and Tim Wellens.

    The Helvetian field receives the single-day race heroes including our brilliant representatives Philippe Gilbert and Greg Van Avermaet.

    While the roads of the Dauphiné are delivering their first assessment in the mountain, the second traditionally chosen build-up stage race for the Tour of France is starting this Saturday in Switzerland with a 6k prologue in Cham whose favourites are the specialist Matthias Brändle and Tom Dumoulin but generally speaking and it’s unusual this Tour of Swizerland will at the end of the day rather interest the classic specialists. All the spring actors will be at the start and it’s all the more interesting since all of them will be present at Düsseldorf: Philippe Gilbert, Greg Van Avermaet, Michael Matthews or Sagan.

    However due to circumstances and the more bleeding profile at the Dauphiné (including the ascent of the Mont du Chat explored last Friday) there will be no top favourites for the GC at the Tour of France, at least seen as such.

    1 Tom Dumoulin’s Tour of Honour

    The Dutchman could have been the one but we know that the winner of the Tour of Italy won’t be present. With a prologue and a final ITT the Limburger has possibilities if he still has mental and physical strengths left while the mountains are more doable for him than the Stelvio is. Maxime Monfort claims that racing both the Tours of Italy and of Switzerland is very hard: “You need to start the machine back. For some it’s easier than for others but most of all you need to face fresher opponents”. Rui Costa – triple winner in Switzerland -, Domenico Pozzovivo or the disappointing Tejay Van Garderen, for instance, are as many potential candidates given the fact that Pinot, Quintana and Vincenzo Nibali won’t be there.

    2 Philippe Gilbert and Greg Van Avermaet: Top Battle

    This Tour of Switzerland allows us to see our spring heroes Philippe Gilbert and Greg Van Avermaet in their first confrontation since Amstel Gold that the rider of Remouchamps won. Afterwards the injured Walloon had to give up for the Tour of Italy [and most of all for Liège-Bastogne !!!!] while the Waeslander offered himself a long rest period, essential in his opinion before resuming in a tremendous way at the Tour of Luxembourg. Philippe Gilbert on the other hand got the indications that he needed at the Tour of Belgium while bowing to the team tactics after Rémi Cavagna took the Quick Step leadership. Both already know that they will go to the Tour of France in a free role. So it’s best to capitalise on the Tour of Switzerland to shake the peloton on routes that favour breakaways which our duet dots on.

    3 Peter Sagan for an Adjustment

    The World Champion is open about it, he dreamed of a better spring. Kuurne-Brussels-Kuurne as only win in a single-day race! It was not in his cannibalesque [sic] plans but a four-season man does not live on regrets and is certain to win the point classifications on stage races like in Tirreno-Adriatico or in the Tour of California and since he’s not insensitive to spectacular improvisation, we might easily figure that he will sneak into the fight sparked by the classic riders which oddly enough he’s not a specialist yet, but for high places.

    4 Tim Wellens in the Shoes of a Leader

    Tim Wellens has been more discrete for weeks (he only resumed with the Hammer Series [circus]) and faces a peculiar exam in Switzerland. His eclecticism enables him to perfectly target the overall ranking while being an aggressive rider, he’d rather aim at a stage win but whatever his choice is his legitimacy as a leader in a Tour of France perspective will be the main issue in Helvetia for André Greipel aside Lotto-Soudal will have to choose only one. Between Tim Wellens and Tony Gallopin, bearing in mind that two other guys are upsetting given ideas at the Dauphiné libéré: Thomas De Gendt and most of all Tiesj Benoot!
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    Re: Tour de Suisse 2017
    « Reply #6 on: June 13, 2017, 07:55 »
    well, in the end there was no room for attacks yesterday, with the super high pace during the final 10km. So Matthews took the stage after a brilliant leadout from Nikias Arndt



    more gc hopefuls lost time. 26s for Betancur & Lopez, 6:58 for Reichenbach.

    Today there's a chance to strike back though. And with no real race favorite, it should be an interesting stage (profile via @raffilpt)



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    Re: Tour de Suisse 2017
    « Reply #9 on: June 14, 2017, 00:00 »
    A great ride by Warbasse.
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    Re: Tour de Suisse 2017
    « Reply #10 on: June 14, 2017, 01:41 »
    just watched the last 10 km replay - was a great race.

    fantastic ride by Warbasse ... and great from Kruijswijk and Pozzovivo coming out of the Giro too.

    Caruso takes overall but in honesty. it looks to me like Spilak will win overall.  Good TT, in good shape ...
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    Re: Tour de Suisse 2017
    « Reply #11 on: June 14, 2017, 08:27 »
    Caruso takes overall but in honesty. it looks to me like Spilak will win overall.  Good TT, in good shape ...

    he looked strong yesterday, but his time trials have been mediocre at best over the past ~2 years. But well, there are more than enough opportunities to create gaps over the climbs on the coming days anyway. Should be interesting. Caruso just returned from altitude training with Porte and this is his main personal target for the season, before returning to domestique duties, so he should be strong.
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    Re: Tour de Suisse 2017
    « Reply #12 on: June 14, 2017, 23:18 »
    #astana Miguel Angel Lopez down again, poor guy. Three teeth missing, broken arm, generally & badly beat up.
    I don't know details about how it happened.

    Extreme high speeds on the descent today, Sep Vanmarcke posted speed data ... fastest 5 secs 117 km/h, fastest 1 minute 107 km/h.  :S

    And of, course, the Peter Sagan stage win:


    There are so many good riders dropping out of the GC now it's beginning to look like a bit of an anti-climax.

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    « Reply #13 on: June 14, 2017, 23:42 »
    Extreme high speeds on the descent today, Sep Vanmarcke posted speed data ... fastest 5 secs 117 km/h, fastest 1 minute 107 km/h.  :S
    Kevin Reza managed to get up to 135km/h.  :o

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    Re: Tour de Suisse 2017
    « Reply #14 on: June 15, 2017, 02:10 »
    Gilbert got to 119km/h

    unbelievable speeds   :o


    Sagan was incredible in that finale.  Timed it perfectly and went hard ... no one even got close
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    Re: Tour de Suisse 2017
    « Reply #15 on: June 15, 2017, 07:00 »
    Today's a stage I have been looking forward to. Spent some vacation days in the area last year and although I skipped on my plan to do the Albulapass due to thunderstorms on the day I had planned for it, the region had a lot of alternatives on the menu and I found a hard enough climb on my doorstep which offeret the option of a quick retreat for weather and a TdF stage on TV for consolation. When I left the region, I followed the parcours of this stage more or less exactly - backwards :)

    I hope some of the good racers that don't do GC live up the stage. Are you listening, Rohan?
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    « Reply #16 on: June 15, 2017, 11:06 »
    Today's a stage I have been looking forward to. Spent some vacation days in the area last year and although I skipped on my plan to do the Albulapass due to thunderstorms on the day I had planned for it, the region had a lot of alternatives on the menu and I found a hard enough climb on my doorstep which offeret the option of a quick retreat for weather and a TdF stage on TV for consolation. When I left the region, I followed the parcours of this stage more or less exactly - backwards :)
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    « Reply #17 on: June 15, 2017, 17:11 »


    Pozzovivo and descends like a champ in wet conditions takes the stage win and leads GC on a count back
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    « Reply #18 on: June 15, 2017, 17:57 »
    Pozzovivo leads GC on a count back
    Actually, he leads GC on the hundredths of a second measured in the prologue. Tomorrow's climb above Sölden will be more decisive for GC, I guess.
    Time for #ccc Hirt to do his usual thing! :cheer
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    Re: Tour de Suisse 2017
    « Reply #19 on: June 15, 2017, 21:03 »
    Actually, he leads GC on the hundredths of a second measured in the prologue. Tomorrow's climb above Sölden will be more decisive for GC, I guess.
    Time for #ccc Hirt to do his usual thing! :cheer

    No worries about descents, wet or otherwise, tomorrow. The beast is back! :D

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    « Reply #20 on: June 15, 2017, 21:27 »
    Pozzovivo and descends like a champ in wet conditions takes the stage win and leads GC on a count back

    not that it makes much of a difference, but he actually leads the GC by a 0.xx seconds time gain from the prologue
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    Re: Tour de Suisse 2017
    « Reply #21 on: June 15, 2017, 21:58 »
    No worries about descents, wet or otherwise, tomorrow. The beast is back! :D



    Ehm..no, it is actually a different finish, they'll go by tunnel to the Tiefenbachgletscher base facilities instead of the Rettenbachferner where the usual finish is. I think this is caused by construction works. This adds a kilometer and a half and about 100m vertical, but the deciding part in a tunnel? Not even the Tour des Fjords tried that, and every year they take some abuse from riders because they are afraid of the tunnels.  See image below (enlarge it) for attempted explanation:



    Graubünden is awesome. Been there about half a dozen times - beautiful area. :cool

    Where did you stay, and which climb(s) did you do? :)

    In a small hamlet called Sporz (cause I wanted to feel Sporzy? :) Turns out there was about 600 meter vertical climb to the doorstep and then more than 600m further up (required MTB). I didn't get very much further :) The view was quite alright though:

    The Albulapass is to the left of the snowy peak with some sunshine on it (Piz Ela) .... didn't look too good that day, so I'll have to come back.



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    Re: Tour de Suisse 2017
    « Reply #22 on: June 16, 2017, 01:07 »
    :win Pozzovivo

    how awesome.  Wet descent and he rode it so beautifully.   and to take yellow as well is a bonus.
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    Re: Tour de Suisse 2017
    « Reply #23 on: June 16, 2017, 03:54 »
    Kevin Reza managed to get up to 135km/h.  :o

    https://www.instagram.com/p/BVVQeToh4KG/
    I have to convert - that is 84 mph. I don't like going that fast in my CAR!  (Not really true, I've taken my old Camry up over 95, but only a very few times. It still feels ok at that speed, but not good. I have driven a Porsche faster, but that was many years ago. It felt just fine at those speeds. Regardless, that is a LOT of speed.)
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    Re: Tour de Suisse 2017
    « Reply #24 on: June 16, 2017, 08:17 »
    Ehm..no, it is actually a different finish, they'll go by tunnel to the Tiefenbachgletscher base facilities instead of the Rettenbachferner where the usual finish is. I think this is caused by construction works. This adds a kilometer and a half and about 100m vertical, but the deciding part in a tunnel? Not even the Tour des Fjords tried that, and every year they take some abuse from riders because they are afraid of the tunnels.  See image below (enlarge it) for attempted explanation:


    I know. I couldn't find a climbing map with the missing bit of the Ötztaler Gletscherstraße.


    However, I have persisted and.....





    Catchy site name for that second one.  :D
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    Re: Tour de Suisse 2017
    « Reply #25 on: June 16, 2017, 08:25 »
    Actually, he leads GC on the hundredths of a second measured in the prologue. Tomorrow's climb above Sölden will be more decisive for GC, I guess.
    Time for #ccc Hirt to do his usual thing! :cheer
    not that it makes much of a difference, but he actually leads the GC by a 0.xx seconds time gain from the prologue

    Sorry  :lol :lol
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    here is another profile



    I doubt we can expect live pictures from the Rosi-Mittermaier-Tunnel though?

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    I doubt we can expect live pictures from the Rosi-Mittermaier-Tunnel though?


    It'll be like Zoncolan. :) :cool
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    « Reply #29 on: June 16, 2017, 09:06 »
    What a great stage 6!
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