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2017 Tour de France CQ Game
« on: June 26, 2017, 07:35 »
Many of you will be expecting this: here it is.

What you need to do
*Choose 9 riders taking part in the Tour.
*Ensure that the total "cost" of your team is 4000 pts or fewer, using the CQ ranking over 12 months to 25th June as the price for each rider.
*PM your team to me, using the CQ name format (surname, then forename, nothing else, no team no price), by start of the race (15:15 German time on Sat 1 July)
*Check the list of entries at the end of this opening post, and nudge me if your name does not appear within 24  of submitting it.
*Hope that your team gains more CQ points during the race than any other.
*Enjoy.

What I'll do
*I'll check that your 9 riders are taking part, and that the team is within budget.  If you submit the team in good time, I'll let you know if there are problems with your selection.
*If you are over budget, I'll take out the cheapest rider who can be replaced with a cheaper member of his team that will bring you into budget: if you pick someone who is not riding, I'll replace him with the next cheapest of his team, or the next cheapest in the race if there is not one in his team.
*I'll assist you in collating a team by putting up a spreadsheet on dropbox with the riders named to start and their prices: Here it is, with apologies for the delay.
*I'll smile gratefully and be relieved if you submit your name in the proper CQ format: I will gnash my teeth and curse quietly if you don't, and might ask you to send it again, especially if you are an old hand at the game.
*I'll allocate points as issued by CQ for the race: there are points for all finishers, with a sliding scale of points for those finishing 1st to 50th; for the top ten in each stage , the yellow jersey wearer each day, and top ten in green and polka-dot (but not white) jersey competitions:full points here.
*I'll post the teams and some analysis of them on Saturday once entries are closed.
*I'll put up (real life permitting) daily updates of a green jersey classification and the main (yellow jersey) standings.
*I'll update the list of entries in this opening post at least once a day during the build up to the race (that was DJW, duly sent).
*I'll send my team to the first manager to submit a team lest anyone think I am stealing their ideas.
*I'll despair quietly as my team drops into lower half of the table obscurity by the middle of week two, as it so often has before.

What we will need to do collectively
Think about whether we want/need to change the format of the game next year to reflect the move from 9-man to 8-man teams.  There is no reason why the team size in the game must reflect the teams in real life, but maybe some people like to compare.  The main options would be a) keep everything as it is; b) reduce to teams of 8, with a corresponding change in budget (4000*8/9 = 3556, so 3500 or 3600); or c) change to 8 riders but keep the budget as it is.  Thoughts?

Entrants To just after midnight (BST) on Saturday morning (just): 14 hours (I think) from the datestamp on this post for 11th hour entries.

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Al_Pacino
AmisVelo
Armchair_Cyclist
BicycleBoy
Bikeracer33
BluesInTheBottle
CaptCavman
Carlo_Algatrensig
Comodoro
Del1962
DJW
Fauniera
GeraintTooFast
GPBlanco
Hakkie2
Hayabusa
Hugo87
JustSomeGuy
Kabete
Kazistuta
Laarsland
Leadbelly
LightBing
LosBrolin
Mellow_Velo
Minessa
RattaKuningas
Rote_Laterne
Scrool07
Search
Shalgo
Squire
Trudgin
Vladimir
Yellow_Knight

One team was overbudget and the manager has accepted the automatic swap per the rules, all other teams correct and within budget (and correctly formatted: thanks guys)
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    Re: 2017 Tour de France CQ Game
    « Reply #1 on: June 26, 2017, 07:55 »
     I was beginning to wonder........... :D

     I kind of like the idea of picking a "team" that has the same number of riders as in the race.
    So, 8 for me.
    3600 points TDF, 3250, the other two?
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    Re: 2017 Tour de France CQ Game
    « Reply #2 on: June 26, 2017, 08:02 »
    less riders same points  :P

    so TDF 8 riders 4000 points

    and there goes my plans for today  :lol
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    Re: 2017 Tour de France CQ Game
    « Reply #3 on: June 26, 2017, 17:12 »
    less riders same points  :P

    so TDF 8 riders 4000 points

    and there goes my plans for today  :lol

    Your vote will be disqualified, for use of "less" where it should be "fewer"  :P
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    Re: 2017 Tour de France CQ Game
    « Reply #4 on: June 26, 2017, 19:04 »
    Sorry  :D
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    Re: 2017 Tour de France CQ Game
    « Reply #5 on: June 27, 2017, 00:44 »
    Still no update from CQ, so I can't put up the team selection spreadsheet yet, but hopefully it will be not too late tomorrow.  Maybe Quickstep will have finalised their team by then too...
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    Re: 2017 Tour de France CQ Game
    « Reply #6 on: June 27, 2017, 08:23 »
    I just took the 10 minutes time to put the values together manually. Hope this is correct:

    #ag2r AG2R LA MONDIALE #lotto LOTTO - SOUDAL
    BAKELANTS Jan381HANSEN Adam144
    DOMONT Axel176BENOOT Tiesj830
    GAUTIER Cyril182GALLOPIN Tony799
    LATOUR Pierre633WELLENS Tim873
    BARDET Romain1337DE GENDT Thomas450
    FRANK Mathias412GREIPEL André946
    NAESEN Oliver1230BAK Lars Ytting102
    VUILLERMOZ Alexis311ROELANDTS Jürgen367
    GASTAUER Ben179SIEBERG Marcel127
    4841 4638
    #astana ASTANA PRO TEAM #movistar MOVISTAR TEAM
    ARU Fabio1088ERVITI OLLO Imanol159
    FUGLSANG Jakob907SÜTTERLIN Jasha233
    VALGREN ANDERSEN Michael468BETANCUR GOMEZ Carlos Alberto77
    LUTSENKO Alexey521VALVERDE BELMONTE Alejandro2629
    ZEITS Andrey305QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander2575
    GRIVKO Andriy178AMADOR BIKKAZAKOVA Andrey221
    GRUZDEV Dmitriy154HERRADA LOPEZ Jesus431
    CATALDO Dario320CASTROVIEJO NICOLAS Jonathan936
    KOZHATAYEV Bakhtiyar55BENNATI Daniele517
    3996 7778
    #bahrain BAHRAIN - MERIDA #orica ORICA - SCOTT
    BRAJKOVIC Janez67ALBASINI Michael590
    CINK Ondrej125CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban1082
    ARASHIRO Yukiya134DURBRIDGE Luke585
    GRMAY Tsgabu Gebremaryam181HAYMAN Mathew172
    IZAGIRRE INSAUSTI Ion1233HOWSON Damien289
    COLBRELLI Sonny1286IMPEY Daryl273
    BOZIC Borut46KEUKELEIRE Jens662
    MORENO BAZAN Javier135KREUZIGER Roman289
    BOLE Grega113YATES Simon1173
    3320 5115
    #bmc BMC RACING TEAM #quickstep QUICK STEP FLOORS
    CARUSO Damiano676KITTEL Marcel1057
    DE MARCHI Alessandro150VERMOTE Julien354
    KÜNG Stefan422TRENTIN Matteo669
    MOINARD Amaël142STYBAR Zdenek634
    PORTE Richie1526SABATINI Fabio85
    ROCHE Nicolas275MARTIN Daniel1380
    SCHÄR Michael125GILBERT Philippe1468
    VAN AVERMAET Greg2968BRAMBILLA Gianluca465
    WYSS Danilo107BAUER Jack119
    6391 6231
    #bora BORA-HANSGROHE #katusha TEAM KATUSHA-ALPECIN
    BODNAR Maciej325HALLER Marco87
    BUCHMANN Emanuel572HOLLENSTEIN Reto258
    BURGHARDT Marcus222KISERLOVSKI Robert84
    MAJKA Rafal1144KRISTOFF Alexander1495
    MCCARTHY Jay329LAMMERTINK Maurits195
    POLJANSKI Pawel41MACHADO Tiago117
    SAGAN Juraj147MARTIN Tony737
    SAGAN Peter2894POLITT Nils220
    SELIG Rüdiger232ZABEL Rick185
    5906 3378
    #cannondale CANNONDALE-DRAPAC PRO CYCLING TEAM #jumbo TEAM LOTTO NL - JUMBO
    PHINNEY Taylor154LEEZER Tom99
    ROLLAND Pierre428ROGLIC Primoz1147
    TALANSKY Andrew584GESINK Robert568
    URAN URAN Rigoberto786GROENEWEGEN Dylan926
    BETTIOL Alberto639BENNETT George648
    CLARKE Simon154VAN EMDEN Jos529
    BEVIN Patrick220MARTENS Paul185
    VAN BAARLE Dylan416ROOSEN Timo210
    BROWN Nathan48WAGNER Robert51
    3429 4363
    #cofidis COFIDIS SOLUTIONS CRÉDITS #sky TEAM SKY
    BOUHANNI Nacer1136FROOME Chris2190
    CLAEYS Dimitri291HENAO MONTOYA Sergio Luis998
    LAPORTE Christophe202NIEVE ITURRALDE Mikel254
    LEMOINE Cyril50ROWE Luke306
    NAVARRO GARCIA Daniel192KWIATKOWSKI Michal1190
    SIMON Julien418KIRYIENKA Vasil399
    EDET Nicolas391KNEES Christian50
    MATE MARDONES Luis Angel254LANDA MEANA Mikel622
    SENECHAL Florian435THOMAS Geraint821
    3369 6830
    #dimension DIMENSION DATA #sunweb TEAM SUNWEB
    CAVENDISH Mark885ARNDT Nikias350
    BOASSON HAGEN Edvald975BARGUIL Warren424
    VENTER Jaco56CURVERS Roy97
    JANSE VAN RENSBURG Reinardt257GESCHKE Simon186
    CUMMINGS Stephen485MATTHEWS Michael1299
    RENSHAW Mark175SINKELDAM Ramon259
    THWAITES Scott202TEN DAM Laurens115
    EISEL Bernhard65TEUNISSEN Mike118
    PAUWELS Serge312TIMMER Albert72
    3412 2920
    #direct DIRECT ENERGIE #trek TREK-SEGAFREDO
    VOECKLER Thomas65ZUBELDIA AGIRRE Haimar242
    CHAVANEL Sylvain679CONTADOR VELASCO Alberto1408
    CALMEJANE Lilian798DEGENKOLB John1366
    PETIT Adrien340FELLINE Fabio1183
    SICARD Romain122GOGL Michael261
    QUEMENEUR Perrig76IRIZAR ARANBURU Markel46
    TULIK Angelo16DE KORT Koen100
    BOUDAT Thomas138MOLLEMA Bauke1151
    GENE Yohann180PANTANO GOMEZ Jarlinson560
    2414 6157
    #fdj FDJ #uae UAE - TEAMEMIRATES
    LE GAC Olivier87MEINTJES Louis647
    KONOVALOVAS Ignatas202LAENGEN Vegard Stake245
    CIMOLAI Davide132ULISSI Diego1226
    PINOT Thibaut1051SWIFT Ben429
    DEMARE Arnaud1375ATAPUMA HURTADO Jhon Darwin449
    VICHOT Arthur556BONO Matteo70
    GUARNIERI Jacopo192DURASEK Kristijan142
    DELAGE Mickaël55MORI Manuele244
    MOLARD Rudy295MARCATO Marco305
    3945 3757
    #fortuneo FORTUNEO-VITAL CONCEPT #wanty WANTY - GROUPE GOBERT
    SEPULVEDA Eduardo213BACKAERT Frederik269
    BOUET Maxime241DEGAND Thomas124
    FEILLU Brice118MARTIN Guillaume281
    HARDY Romain403MINNAARD Marco102
    VACHON Florian85OFFREDO Yoann213
    MCLAY Daniel274PASQUALON Andrea188
    PERICHON Pierre-Luc254SMITH Dion234
    GESBERT Elie52VAN KEIRSBULCK Guillaume202
    PICHON Laurent437VANSPEYBROUCK Pieter128
    2077 1741
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  • « Last Edit: June 28, 2017, 10:20 by Armchair Cyclist »
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    Re: 2017 Tour de France CQ Game
    « Reply #7 on: June 27, 2017, 10:23 »
    1st draft done not sure I like the team though  :lol
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    Re: 2017 Tour de France CQ Game
    « Reply #8 on: June 27, 2017, 10:53 »
    Bit skeptical about my team too. 9 riders at 3897, 6 of them are PCT  :o
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    Re: 2017 Tour de France CQ Game
    « Reply #9 on: June 27, 2017, 12:01 »
    I think I'm going to win.

    But then I always do, right up until the end of the first stage.
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    Re: 2017 Tour de France CQ Game
    « Reply #10 on: June 27, 2017, 12:21 »
    I've had my first go at putting a team together and yet again I have to many #cannondale riders in it than can be good.

    Back to the drawing board/spreadsheet.
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    Re: 2017 Tour de France CQ Game
    « Reply #11 on: June 27, 2017, 20:15 »
    I just took the 10 minutes time to put the values together manually. Hope this is correct:

    You must have some short cut to do that in 10 minutes: I used it to update the selection spreadsheet, and then just as I was about to post it, I see CQ have finally uploaded the sheet. 

    Great job, you had 2 errors, but one of them was on the (probably, someone might think otherwise) prohibitively expensive Van Avermaet, and the other on the high on nobody's must have list Gastauer.  I have edited them on your post above.
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  • « Last Edit: June 27, 2017, 20:32 by Armchair Cyclist »

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    Re: 2017 Tour de France CQ Game
    « Reply #12 on: June 27, 2017, 20:22 »
    You must have some short cut to do that in 10 minutes: I used it to update the selection spreadsheet, and then just as I was about to post it, I see CQ have finally uploaded the sheet. 

    Great job, you had 2 errors, but one of them was on the (probably, someone might think otherwise) Van Avermaet and the other on the high on nobody's must have Gastauer.  I have edited them on your post above.

    ah, thanks, must have been some kind of type.

    and well, I did the start list yesterday - and today, with the cq team sheets open on a second screen, it really didn't take much more time than that
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    Re: 2017 Tour de France CQ Game
    « Reply #13 on: June 27, 2017, 20:24 »
    The spreadsheet is finally up: many thanks to Search, because if CQ had been any slower, I could have used his data very happily.

    Here is the selector tool, hope it is useful. (and now with Zubeldia in and Cardoso out)
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    Re: 2017 Tour de France CQ Game
    « Reply #14 on: June 27, 2017, 20:58 »
    Bit skeptical about my team too. 9 riders at 3897, 6 of them are PCT  :o

    Sceptical or not, you were the first manager to send in a team, so you have supervision rights over my honesty.
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    Re: 2017 Tour de France CQ Game
    « Reply #15 on: June 29, 2017, 09:58 »
    Team in  Just don´t have time to try and find 300 more points for 1 rider

    was really hard
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    Re: 2017 Tour de France CQ Game
    « Reply #16 on: June 30, 2017, 07:21 »
    Only 15 teams up to early on Friday morning, which is a bit disappointing.

    This will bump it up the board as a reminder to others.

    56 of the 198 riders are represented among those 15 teams: 2 are on 10 or more teams, 2 more on more than half, and there are 31 unique picks.

    A day and a bit to go, let's get those entries in, before the first man rolls down the ramp in Dusseldorf...
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    Re: 2017 Tour de France CQ Game
    « Reply #17 on: June 30, 2017, 07:24 »
    Only 15 teams up to early on Friday morning, which is a bit disappointing.

    This will bump it up the board as a reminder to others.

    56 of the 198 riders are represented among those 15 teams: 2 are on 10 or more teams, 2 more on more than half, and there are 31 unique picks.

    A day and a bit to go, let's get those entries in, before the first man rolls down the ramp in Dusseldorf...

    I´ve tweeted it a few times will do again
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    Re: 2017 Tour de France CQ Game
    « Reply #18 on: June 30, 2017, 15:05 »
    just entered. First one for a little while.
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    Re: 2017 Tour de France CQ Game
    « Reply #19 on: June 30, 2017, 16:55 »

    I am a glutton for punishment - my team is in... perhaps AC will look kindly on me adn loose my entry... but then id always wonder if this was a worthwhile 10 mins (including creating, sending to AC and writing this)

    Its so hard with 4000 Velogames is easy with 100
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    Re: 2017 Tour de France CQ Game
    « Reply #20 on: June 30, 2017, 17:03 »
    I was beginning to wonder........... :D

     I kind of like the idea of picking a "team" that has the same number of riders as in the race.
    So, 8 for me.
    3600 points TDF, 3250, the other two?

    Noooooooooo its hard enough

    and have "the other two" far supperior races always had less than the tour?
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    Re: 2017 Tour de France CQ Game
    « Reply #21 on: June 30, 2017, 17:19 »

    Its so hard with 4000 Velogames is easy with 100

     I mentioned it when I put my half a team in earlier.
    This time was much, much harder than the Giro.
    Virtually everybody worthwhile costs around 4 figures or more.
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    Re: 2017 Tour de France CQ Game
    « Reply #22 on: June 30, 2017, 20:34 »
    Noooooooooo its hard enough

    and have "the other two" far supperior races always had less than the tour?

    These GT games were, IIRC, started by a contributor called CQManager, with the Giro in (I think) 2012 and a 3500 budget.  When it came around to the Tour, there was discussion about the budget, and there was some kind of consensus about having more spending power for the Tour than for the other GTs.   I kept those settings when I took over.
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    Re: 2017 Tour de France CQ Game
    « Reply #23 on: June 30, 2017, 21:51 »
    when we go to 8 riders - instead of all the math going on in the background... just bring the tour down to match the rest ( as i think at least 80% of us acknowledge the tour is pants) and thats that.

    there I've solved it  :s :D
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    Re: 2017 Tour de France CQ Game
    « Reply #24 on: July 01, 2017, 14:17 »
    Elie Gesbert is off, so here we go:

    Alphabetical order of teams, price order within teams, unique picks shown with an asterisk.

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       PORTE Richie   
       MARTIN Tony   *
       STYBAR Zdenek   *
       PAUWELS Serge   
       OFFREDO Yoann   *
       NAVARRO GARCIA Daniel   
       CLARKE Simon   
       PHINNEY Taylor   *
       VOECKLER Thomas   

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       BARDET Romain   
       MAJKA Rafal   
       MEINTJES Louis   
       BARGUIL Warren   
       BOUDAT Thomas   
       KISERLOVSKI Robert   
       BETANCUR GOMEZ Carlos Alberto   
       VOECKLER Thomas   
       GESBERT Elie   

    Amis Velo
       BARDET Romain   
       ARU Fabio   
       MEINTJES Louis   
       BARGUIL Warren   
       BOUDAT Thomas   
       CIMOLAI Davide   
       KISERLOVSKI Robert   
       BETANCUR GOMEZ Carlos Alberto   
       VOECKLER Thomas   

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       FROOME Chris   
       MEINTJES Louis   
       KREUZIGER Roman   
       AMADOR BIKKAZAKOVA Andrey   
       NAVARRO GARCIA Daniel   
       CLARKE Simon   
       DE MARCHI Alessandro   
       HALLER Marco   *
       BRAJKOVIC Janez   

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       FROOME Chris   
       CAVENDISH Mark   
       SWIFT Ben   
       LAPORTE Christophe   
       CINK Ondrej   
       VOECKLER Thomas   
       BOZIC Borut   
       POLJANSKI Pawel   
       TULIK Angelo   

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       PORTE Richie   
       KITTEL Marcel   
       GESINK Robert   
       MCLAY Daniel   
       GESCHKE Simon   *
       DE MARCHI Alessandro   
       KISERLOVSKI Robert   
       BETANCUR GOMEZ Carlos Alberto   
       VOECKLER Thomas   

    Blues in the Bottle
       PORTE Richie   
       BARDET Romain   
       MEINTJES Louis   
       SEPULVEDA Eduardo   
       CINK Ondrej   
       BROWN Nathan   
       BOZIC Borut   
       POLJANSKI Pawel   
       TULIK Angelo   

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       PORTE Richie   
       THOMAS Geraint   *
       CUMMINGS Stephen   
       ATAPUMA HURTADO Jhon Darwin   *
       AMADOR BIKKAZAKOVA Andrey   
       NAVARRO GARCIA Daniel   
       MACHADO Tiago Jose Pinto   
       TEN DAM Laurens   *
       VOECKLER Thomas   

    Carlo Algatrensig
       ARU Fabio   
       BENNETT George   *
       MEINTJES Louis   
       BUCHMANN Emanuel   
       BRAMBILLA Gianluca   
       JANSE VAN RENSBURG Reinardt   *
       CIMOLAI Davide   
       CINK Ondrej   
       VOECKLER Thomas   

    Comodoro
       MAJKA Rafal   
       ARU Fabio   
       MEINTJES Louis   
       BUCHMANN Emanuel   
       BEVIN Patrick   
       BOUDAT Thomas   
       BETANCUR GOMEZ Carlos Alberto   
       GESBERT Elie   
       BROWN Nathan   

    Del1962
       PORTE Richie   
       MEINTJES Louis   
       LATOUR Pierre   
       BUCHMANN Emanuel   
       PAUWELS Serge   
       CINK Ondrej   
       BETANCUR GOMEZ Carlos Alberto   
       BRAJKOVIC Janez   
       POLJANSKI Pawel   

    DJW
       BARDET Romain   
       FUGLSANG Jakob   
       MEINTJES Louis   
       FRANK Mathias   *
       MCLAY Daniel   
       NAVARRO GARCIA Daniel   
       BOUDAT Thomas   
       VOECKLER Thomas   
       TULIK Angelo   

    Fauniera
       ARU Fabio   
       KITTEL Marcel   
       URAN URAN Rigoberto   
       MEINTJES Louis   
       BOUDAT Thomas   
       KISERLOVSKI Robert   
       BETANCUR GOMEZ Carlos Alberto   
       VOECKLER Thomas   
       KOZHATAYEV Bakhtiyar   

    GeraintTooFast
       PORTE Richie   
       KITTEL Marcel   
       GROENEWEGEN Dylan   
       NAVARRO GARCIA Daniel   
       KISERLOVSKI Robert   
       BETANCUR GOMEZ Carlos Alberto   
       BRAJKOVIC Janez   
       POLJANSKI Pawel   
       TULIK Angelo   

    GPBlanco
       ARU Fabio   
       KITTEL Marcel   
       MEINTJES Louis   
       KÜNG Stefan   
       PAUWELS Serge   
       SEPULVEDA Eduardo   
       CINK Ondrej   
       VOECKLER Thomas   
       KNEES Christian   

    Hakkie2
       PORTE Richie   
       ARU Fabio   
       PAUWELS Serge   
       MARTIN Guillaume   
       NIEVE ITURRALDE Mikel   
       NAVARRO GARCIA Daniel   
       MACHADO Tiago Jose Pinto   
       BETANCUR GOMEZ Carlos Alberto   
       VOECKLER Thomas   

    Hayabusa
       KITTEL Marcel   
       MEINTJES Louis   
       CUMMINGS Stephen   
       DE GENDT Thomas   
       BARGUIL Warren   
       BAKELANTS Jan   *
       KREUZIGER Roman   
       NAVARRO GARCIA Daniel   
       VOECKLER Thomas   

    Hugo87
       BARDET Romain   
       ARU Fabio   
       KITTEL Marcel   
       NAVARRO GARCIA Daniel   
       KISERLOVSKI Robert   
       BETANCUR GOMEZ Carlos Alberto   
       BRAJKOVIC Janez   
       VOECKLER Thomas   
       TULIK Angelo   

    Josedin
       PORTE Richie   
       LATOUR Pierre   
       BUCHMANN Emanuel   
       KÜNG Stefan   
       SEPULVEDA Eduardo   
       PASQUALON Andrea   *
       GRMAY Tsgabu Gebremaryam   *
       BOUDAT Thomas   
       CINK Ondrej   

    Just Some Guy
       PORTE Richie   
       ARU Fabio   
       KITTEL Marcel   
       KISERLOVSKI Robert   
       BETANCUR GOMEZ Carlos Alberto   
       DELAGE Mickaël   
       BROWN Nathan   
       BOZIC Borut   
       TULIK Angelo   

    Kabete
       PORTE Richie   
       ARU Fabio   
       KITTEL Marcel   
       KISERLOVSKI Robert   
       BETANCUR GOMEZ Carlos Alberto   
       VOECKLER Thomas   
       BOZIC Borut   
       POLJANSKI Pawel   
       TULIK Angelo   

    Kazistuta
       KITTEL Marcel   
       GROENEWEGEN Dylan   
       MEINTJES Louis   
       SWIFT Ben   
       MARTIN Guillaume   
       MCLAY Daniel   
       BOUDAT Thomas   
       SICARD Romain   
       BETANCUR GOMEZ Carlos Alberto   

    Laarsland
       MARTIN Daniel   *
       ARU Fabio   
       URAN URAN Rigoberto   
       BEVIN Patrick   
       SEPULVEDA Eduardo   
       BOUDAT Thomas   
       BETANCUR GOMEZ Carlos Alberto   
       VOECKLER Thomas   
       TULIK Angelo   

    LeadBelly
       ARU Fabio   
       FUGLSANG Jakob   
       MEINTJES Louis   
       BUCHMANN Emanuel   
       SWIFT Ben   
       NAVARRO GARCIA Daniel   
       BETANCUR GOMEZ Carlos Alberto   
       VOECKLER Thomas   
       TULIK Angelo   

    LightBing
       IZAGIRRE INSAUSTI Ion   *
       MAJKA Rafal   
       KITTEL Marcel   
       NAVARRO GARCIA Daniel   
       SICARD Romain   
       KISERLOVSKI Robert   
       BROWN Nathan   
       BOZIC Borut   
       TULIK Angelo   

    Los Brolin

       PORTE Richie   
       ARU Fabio   
       MEINTJES Louis   
       KREUZIGER Roman   
       BEVIN Patrick   
       KISERLOVSKI Robert   
       BETANCUR GOMEZ Carlos Alberto   
       GESBERT Elie   
       TULIK Angelo   

    Mellow Velo
       ARU Fabio   
       KITTEL Marcel   
       FUGLSANG Jakob   
       DE GENDT Thomas   
       MCLAY Daniel   
       BETANCUR GOMEZ Carlos Alberto   
       VOECKLER Thomas   
       DELAGE Mickaël   
       TULIK Angelo   

    Minessa
       ARU Fabio   
       KITTEL Marcel   
       BUCHMANN Emanuel   
       CUMMINGS Stephen   
       BRAMBILLA Gianluca   
       CINK Ondrej   
       BETANCUR GOMEZ Carlos Alberto   
       VOECKLER Thomas   
       POLJANSKI Pawel   

    RattaKuningas
       ARU Fabio   
       GREIPEL André   *
       CAVENDISH Mark   
       DE GENDT Thomas   
       PAUWELS Serge   
       BAUER Jack   *
       BETANCUR GOMEZ Carlos Alberto   
       VOECKLER Thomas   
       KOZHATAYEV Bakhtiyar   

    Rote Laterne
       DEMARE Arnaud   *
       MEINTJES Louis   
       BUCHMANN Emanuel   
       ROLLAND Pierre   
       PAUWELS Serge   
       AMADOR BIKKAZAKOVA Andrey   
       NAVARRO GARCIA Daniel   
       ZABEL Rick   
       VOECKLER Thomas   

    Scrool07
       CONTADOR VELASCO Alberto   *
       CAVENDISH Mark   
       ROLLAND Pierre   
       BARGUIL Warren   
       MCLAY Daniel   
       IMPEY Daryl   *
       CINK Ondrej   
       KISERLOVSKI Robert   
       VOECKLER Thomas   

    Search
       ARU Fabio   
       KITTEL Marcel   
       MEINTJES Louis   
       TALANSKY Andrew   
       KREUZIGER Roman   
       BOUDAT Thomas   
       KISERLOVSKI Robert   
       VOECKLER Thomas   
       POLJANSKI Pawel   

    Shalgo
       PORTE Richie   
       ARU Fabio   
       KITTEL Marcel   
       BETANCUR GOMEZ Carlos Alberto   
       BRAJKOVIC Janez   
       VOECKLER Thomas   
       WAGNER Robert   *
       KNEES Christian   
       TULIK Angelo   

    Squire
       ARU Fabio   
       KITTEL Marcel   
       URAN URAN Rigoberto   
       MEINTJES Louis   
       BEVIN Patrick   
       BETANCUR GOMEZ Carlos Alberto   
       BRAJKOVIC Janez   
       POLJANSKI Pawel   
       TULIK Angelo   

    ThePirate81
       ROGLIC Primoz   *
       KITTEL Marcel   
       MEINTJES Louis   
       SWIFT Ben   
       BARGUIL Warren   
       BOUDAT Thomas   
       BETANCUR GOMEZ Carlos Alberto   
       VOECKLER Thomas   
       TULIK Angelo   

    Trudgin
       BOUHANNI Nacer   *
       PINOT Thibaut   
       LATOUR Pierre   
       DE GENDT Thomas   
       MARTENS Paul   *
       ZABEL Rick   
       BOUDAT Thomas   
       CINK Ondrej   
       BETANCUR GOMEZ Carlos Alberto   

    Vladimir
       ARU Fabio   
       MEINTJES Louis   
       TALANSKY Andrew   
       GESINK Robert   
       BARGUIL Warren   
       KREUZIGER Roman   
       NIEVE ITURRALDE Mikel   
       VOECKLER Thomas   
       BOZIC Borut   

    Yellow Knight
       ARU Fabio   
       PINOT Thibaut   
       CAVENDISH Mark   
       TALANSKY Andrew   
       LAPORTE Christophe   
       VOECKLER Thomas   
       GESBERT Elie   
       POLJANSKI Pawel   
       TULIK Angelo   
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    Re: 2017 Tour de France CQ Game
    « Reply #25 on: July 01, 2017, 14:46 »
    Rider popularity

    26 (out of 38) teams: VOECKLER Thomas
    22: BETANCUR GOMEZ Carlos Alberto
    20: ARU Fabio
    19: MEINTJES Louis
    16: KITTEL Marcel
    16: TULIK Angelo
    12: KISERLOVSKI Robert
    12: PORTE Richie
    11: BOUDAT Thomas
    11: NAVARRO GARCIA Daniel

    From those 10, I had to drop Porte to create the highest possible popularity score team within budget as the Collective Wisdom squad.  (That team is however about 700 below budget, and with Porte in place of Boudat it would be about would be about 700 over: I might see if I can set up a compromise with a score that averages out the contributions of Porte and Boudat)

    Other frequencies of selection:
    9: CINK Ondrej, POLJANSKI Pawel
    7: BUCHMANN Emanuel
    6: BARGUIL Warren, BOZIC Borut, BRAJKOVIC Janez, PAUWELS Serge
    5: BARDET Romain, KREUZIGER Roman, MCLAY Daniel
    4: BEVIN Patrick, BROWN Nathan, CAVENDISH Mark, DE GENDT Thomas, GESBERT Elie, SEPULVEDA Eduardo, SWIFT Ben
    3: AMADOR BIKKAZAKOVA Andrey, CUMMINGS Stephen, FUGLSANG Jakob, LATOUR Pierre, MAJKA Rafal, TALANSKY Andrew, URAN URAN Rigoberto
    2: BRAMBILLA Gianluca, CIMOLAI Davide, CLARKE Simon, DE MARCHI Alessandro, DELAGE Mickaël, FROOME Chris, GESINK Robert, GROENEWEGEN Dylan, KNEES Christian, KOZHATAYEV Bakhtiyar, KÜNG Stefan, LAPORTE Christophe, MACHADO Tiago Jose Pinto, MARTIN Guillaume, NIEVE ITURRALDE Mikel, PINOT Thibaut, ROLLAND Pierre, SICARD Romain, ZABEL Rick

    The 26 unique picks are indicated in the previous post.
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    Re: 2017 Tour de France CQ Game
    « Reply #26 on: July 01, 2017, 15:01 »
    Popularity ranking

    The less original your team, the higher your ranking:

    1   Kabete   139
    2   Hugo87   134
    3   Fauniera   131
    4   Leadbelly   128
    5   AmisVelo   123
    6   Search   121
    6   Shalgo   121
    6   ThePirate81   121
    9   Squire   115
    10   LosBrolin   114
    10   Mellow_Velo   114
    10   Minessa   114
    13   JustSomeGuy   110
    14   Al_Pacino   108
    15   Laarsland   107
    16   GeraintTooFast   106
    17   GPBlanco   104
    18   Hakkie2   103
    19   Bikeracer33   98
    20   DJW   97
    21   Comodoro   94
    22   Del1962   93
    23   Hayabusa   91
    24   Vladimir   89
    25   Carlo_Algatrensig   87
    26   RattaKuningas   86
    26   Yellow_Knight   86
    28   BluesInTheBottle   84
    29   Kazistuta   83
    30   BicycleBoy   78
    31   Rote_Laterne   77
    32   LightBing   71
    33   Scrool07   66
    34   AG   61
    35   CaptCavman   60
    36   Trudgin   55
    37   Armchair_Cyclist   51
    38   Josedin   50
       Collective_Wisdom   153
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    Re: 2017 Tour de France CQ Game
    « Reply #27 on: July 01, 2017, 15:57 »
    Major picks

    Mid-price picks, apart from youngsters Meintjes and Buchmann, have not been a big factor in many teams.  Most of us found little value in that price range, so even more than usual this edition is about picking your main man/men, some potential breakaway points among the inexpensive, and cheap as possible makeweights who might get 20 points for finishing.

    So if we consider anyone costing >2x the average budget per rider (which is 888 pts or more, but I've also included Cavendish @885), who has gone for whom?

    (Ordered by price of most expensive rider)

    Froome:      Armchair Cyclist            
       with Cavendish:   Bicycle Boy      
          
    Porte:      AG   Capt Cavman   Del1963   Josedin   
       with Bardet:   Blues in the Bottle               
       with Aru:   Hakkie2   Los Brolin      
       with Kittel:   Bikeracer33            
       with Aru and Kittel:   Just Some Guy   Kabete   Shalgo      
       with Kittel and Groenewegen:   Geraint TooFast                  
                      
    Contador   with Cavendish:   Scrool07         
       
    Martin D    with Aru:   Laarsland   
             
    Demare:      Rote Laterne               

    Bardet         with Majka:   Al Pacino
       with Aru:   Amis Velo      
       with Fuglsang:   DJW            
       with Aru and Kittel:   Hugo87         
                      
    Izaguirre   with Majka and Kittel:   LightBing            

    Roglic   with Kittel:   ThePirate81      

    Majka   with Aru:   Comodoro            

    Bouhanni   with Pinot:   Trudgin      
       
    Aru:      Carlo Algatrensig   Vladimir         
       with Kittel:   Fauniera   GPBlanco   Minessa   Search   Squire      
       with Fuglsang:   LeadBelly            
       with Kittel and Fuglsang:   Mellow Velo            
       With Pinot and Cavendish:   Yellow Knight            
       with Greipel and Cavendish:   RattaKuningas      

    Kittel:      Hayabusa            
       with Groenewegen:   Kazistuta            
                      
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    Re: 2017 Tour de France CQ Game
    « Reply #28 on: July 01, 2017, 18:29 »
    Stage 1 Dusseldorf Time Trial

    Green Jersey competition
    These are the guaranteed points that your rider will get even if he fails to reach Paris.  They are earned from top ten stage finishes and earning the yellow jersey.

    THOMAS Geraint   100   1   team
    KÜNG Stefan   50   2   teams
    KIRYIENKA Vasil   35   0   team
    MARTIN Tony   25   1   team
    TRENTIN Matteo   15   0   team
    FROOME Chris   10   2   teams
    VAN EMDEN Jos   5   0   team
    KWIATKOWSKI Michal   3   0   team
    KITTEL Marcel   2   16   teams
    BOASSON HAGEN Edvald   1   0   team

    And it should be obvious which teams get their points from which riders:
    1   CaptCavman   100
    2   GPBlanco   52
    3   Josedin   50
    4   AG   25
    5=   Armchair_Cyclist, BicycleBoy   10
    7   Bikeracer33, Fauniera, GeraintTooFast, Hayabusa, Hugo87, JustSomeGuy, Kabete, Kazistuta, LightBing, Mellow_Velo, Minessa, Search, Shalgo, Squire, ThePirate81   2


    It'll be some time before I can post the (rather pointless at this stage) Yellow Jersey points.
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    Re: 2017 Tour de France CQ Game
    « Reply #29 on: July 01, 2017, 18:57 »
    It is at times like these that one must overcome the urge to be incredibly smug. It's difficult though...
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