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Giro 2018 General Discussion
« on: September 18, 2017, 13:04 »
https://twitter.com/giroditalia/status/909716257645219840







Going by recent Giro jaunts overseas it is no surprise to see TT + sprints as the order of the day. Did we really expect anything else?
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    Re: Giro 2018 General Discussion
    « Reply #1 on: September 18, 2017, 15:34 »
    I wasn't. ... but Israel is a bit of a surprise ...
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    Re: Giro 2018 General Discussion
    « Reply #2 on: September 18, 2017, 16:49 »
    I wasn't. ... but Israel is a bit of a surprise ...
    The Israel Grande Partenza has been rumoured for several months; it was an open secret by now. But I admit that it wasn't an open secret that was spread wide and far.



    I'm happy they avoided the sandtrap of taking the Jerusalem ITT to the eastern part of the city (which to this day isn't officially recognised by the UN (or anyone, really) as Israeli territory. That would have made the Giro very unpopular in some circles, and rightly so.
    This *il jaunt is unpopular enough as it is.

    Some people have talked about boycotting these first three days because of Israel's policy towards Palestinians, especially under the current right-wing government.
    Let me say here and now that I am not one of those. I respect (maybe even admire) the decision of everyone who feels their following (or reporting on) a sporting event in Israel would indicate support of said government. I hope they respect my decision to follow the Grande Partenza - because I simply can't not. I'm too much of a fan of both the Giro and of #academy to not watch, and while I have heavy scruples about doing so, I do consider Israel a democracy under the rule of law. Much more so than e.g. Turkey or China, and these two countries will get their WT races next month already.
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    Re: Giro 2018 General Discussion
    « Reply #3 on: September 26, 2017, 11:40 »
    Here's a very good piece on the whole "Giro in Israel, sports in politics, politics in sports" issue:
    https://rouleur.cc/editorial/start-2018-giro-ditalia-israeli-dilemma/
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    Re: Giro 2018 General Discussion
    « Reply #4 on: October 16, 2017, 20:47 »
    http://cyclingpro.net/spaziociclismo/giro-2018/giro-ditalia-2018-anche-la-aqua-blue-sport-candidata-ad-wild-card-rischiano-bardiani-wilier/

    AquaBlue after a wildcard too?

    Can't say I'd be too heartbroken if Bardiani missed out next year.
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    Re: Giro 2018 General Discussion
    « Reply #5 on: November 29, 2017, 16:18 »
    The Giro route presentation is live on tv as I type, but here are the profiles.


    http://www.cicloweb.it/2017/11/29/anteprima-altimetrie-giro-2018/

    Stage 6

    Stage 8

    Stage 9

    Stage 14

    Stage 15

    Stage 18

    Stage 19

    Stage 20
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    Re: Giro 2018 General Discussion
    « Reply #6 on: November 29, 2017, 20:15 »
    Froome training on the Colle Delle Finestre back in June. Did he just fancy a change or had Sky been given the nod about what the 2018 Giro route would be and he was doing some very early recon.
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    Re: Giro 2018 General Discussion
    « Reply #7 on: November 29, 2017, 20:25 »
    Froome training on the Colle Delle Finestre back in June. Did he just fancy a change or had Sky been given the nod about what the 2018 Giro route would be and he was doing some very early recon.

    Not too far from Monaco (can be done in a day trip if you take the car to the base..) and a bit less hot and humid than the Alpes Maritimes at that time of the year! I wouldn't read too much into it.

    Having said that, the best thing about Froome is once there is public consensus there's something he can't do, he tries. Looking forward to see if any competitors will bother to show up. Landa is the one I think could really do something with the long climbs here, but I am not convinced he can beat Froome on Zoncolan. I am reasonably sure Tom Dumoulin can not!
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    Re: Giro 2018 General Discussion
    « Reply #8 on: December 01, 2017, 15:06 »
    A grand total of 1 Dolomites climb, Passo Tre Croci. :(

    Other than that, the mountain stages look alright-ish, with the exception of the uphill sprint that is Montevergine.
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    Re: Giro 2018 General Discussion
    « Reply #9 on: December 22, 2017, 22:19 »
    Cruisewick riding the Tour, Roglic the Giro but not for GC, just stage wins.
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    Re: Giro 2018 General Discussion
    « Reply #10 on: January 03, 2018, 18:27 »
    http://www.ciclismointernacional.com/michael-woods-liderara-al-ef-drapac-en-el-giro/

    Woods to the Giro. Could still ride the Tour in support of Uran.

    The news is 24hrs too late for me. :angry
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    Re: Giro 2018 General Discussion
    « Reply #11 on: January 11, 2018, 10:54 »
    Just had my first proper look through the stages. This could be an excellent race. The climbers are going to have to attack on the steep slopes to try to drop Dumo and Froome (if he rides).

    A couple of Vuelta hockey sticks too.

    That Etna climb is 30km long!

     :o
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    Re: Giro 2018 General Discussion
    « Reply #12 on: January 20, 2018, 20:15 »
    https://twitter.com/giroditalia/status/954768779275317249

    Cicconne and Senni mean Bardiani is a team that could give a good showing, but I still feel they should have suffered banishment from this year's edition as a punishment for Ruffoni and Pirazzi.
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    Re: Giro 2018 General Discussion
    « Reply #13 on: January 20, 2018, 21:27 »
    https://twitter.com/giroditalia/status/954768779275317249

    Cicconne and Senni mean Bardiani is a team that could give a good showing, but I still feel they should have suffered banishment from this year's edition as a punishment for Ruffoni and Pirazzi.

    This. I expected Nippo instead of Bardiani.
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    Re: Giro 2018 General Discussion
    « Reply #14 on: January 21, 2018, 11:58 »
    I don’t think Nippo have really made themselves a great draw tbh.

    Half a team full of average, unknown Japanese riders is never going to make you attractive.
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    Re: Giro 2018 General Discussion
    « Reply #15 on: January 21, 2018, 13:35 »
    I don’t think Nippo have really made themselves a great draw tbh.

    Half a team full of average, unknown Japanese riders is never going to make you attractive.

    Sure, but I think Cunego deserved a farewell more than Bardiani that showed nothing in the last two editions and had two positives right before last years Giro.
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    Re: Giro 2018 General Discussion
    « Reply #16 on: January 21, 2018, 15:43 »
    I agree.
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    Re: Giro 2018 General Discussion
    « Reply #17 on: January 21, 2018, 20:30 »
    My italophilia in general and love for the Giro especially is always to be tested by italian cyclings' embrace of post-dopers as heroes (almost saints) and their willingness to live with (insert your favorite despot - and -type -of-tyranny here) as long as money is provided.

    They shouldn't have started in Israel and they shouldn't have invited Bardiani.

    Then realizing that my local hero is pretty much on the same boat -  at least I hope he gets to to take it to Italy!

    :(



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    Re: Giro 2018 General Discussion
    « Reply #18 on: January 21, 2018, 23:08 »
    I don’t think Nippo have really made themselves a great draw tbh.

    Half a team full of average, unknown Japanese riders is never going to make you attractive.
    The Japanese don't care how average and unknown someone is - they'll make anyone a star. Look at just about any Japanese footballer coming to the Bundesliga: Even the sh*t ones who barely ever play (and when they do, make their teams worse) are followed by dozens of camera teams & journalists.

    That the Giro has scorned Nippo for the second year in a row is, to me, a sign that they aren't interested in that *jp Grande Partenza anymore (if even they ever were).
    If the Japanese come of their own accord, offering to shower gazillions of yen into the RCS coffers, they sure as hell won't run away from it - but they show exactly zero initiative for making such a scenario more likely.
    It's so awfully short-sighted, egotistical, and, ultimately, unprofessional. :fp

    My italophilia in general and love for the Giro especially is always to be tested by italian cyclings' embrace of post-dopers as heroes (almost saints) and their willingness to live with (insert your favorite despot - and -type -of-tyranny here) as long as money is provided.
    Quite.

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    Re: Giro 2018 General Discussion
    « Reply #20 on: May 01, 2018, 14:55 »
    Not really discussion, but I really like this kind of illustrations:  :D

    https://twitter.com/giroditalia/status/991301365740789760
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    Re: Giro 2018 General Discussion
    « Reply #21 on: May 02, 2018, 12:36 »
    #wilier Pippo had to return to Italy because his father fell very sick. He is replaced by Alex Turrin.

    https://cyclingpro.net/spaziociclismo/vetrina/giro-ditalia-2018-pozzato-torna-a-casa-dal-padre-malato-la-wilier-schiera-turrin/
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    Re: Giro 2018 General Discussion
    « Reply #22 on: May 02, 2018, 13:34 »
    #wilier Pippo had to return to Italy because his father fell very sick. He is replaced by Alex Turrin.
    My first thought was "wait, isn't this the Giro d'Italia?!"
    Then I remembered it starts in Israel. :D

    And under those circumstances, Pippo would probably be in no state to race even if it started in his hometown.
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    Re: Giro 2018 General Discussion
    « Reply #23 on: May 02, 2018, 20:06 »
    As leader of the "home team", Ben Hermans ought to have expected to get a few difficult questions tossed his way ahead of this week's start.

    Asked by the media what he thought of the political situation in Israel, he replied:

    I'm not bothered about it. I'm foremost a rider. In Belgium, we've got our own problems too. Look at the political context in Brussels, do you think it's any better?"

    Err, yeah, sticking to dayjobs and all that ....  :P

    https://www.rtbf.be/sport/cyclisme/giro/detail_ben-hermans-sur-le-grand-depart-en-israel-vous-croyez-que-c-est-mieux-a-bruxelles?id=9906364 (FR)
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    Re: Giro 2018 General Discussion
    « Reply #24 on: May 03, 2018, 07:16 »
    As leader of the "home team", Ben Hermans ought to have expected to get a few difficult questions tossed his way ahead of this week's start.

    Asked by the media what he thought of the political situation in Israel, he replied:

    I'm not bothered about it. I'm foremost a rider. In Belgium, we've got our own problems too. Look at the political context in Brussels, do you think it's any better?"
    :fp
    This should have been anticipated by their media folks. It's not hard to feed your riders a neutral two-sentence quote to use in case of questions like this.

    Even more so as they have the Peres Center for Peace as a connected charity ... just say "as a cycling team, we want to do our bit to promote peace in Israel and worldwide" or similar.
    :fp
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    Re: Giro 2018 General Discussion
    « Reply #25 on: May 03, 2018, 08:52 »
    Just a quick plug for the CQ Giro game: entries close in 24 hours.
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    Re: Giro 2018 General Discussion
    « Reply #26 on: May 04, 2018, 11:01 »
     OK, so I tuned into Rai Sport a few minutes ago only to find that the screen was encrypted.
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    Which means that Eurosport is now the only game in European towns. :(
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