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« on: October 08, 2017, 16:57 »
Tour of Turkey

Seems like this is going to take place after all. Can you feel the excitement?

Stage 1: Alanya - Kemer (176,7 km)


Stage 2: Kumluca - Fethiye (206,0 km)


Stage 3: Fethiye - Marmaris (128,6 km)


Stage 4: Marmaris - Selçuk (204,1 km)



Stage 5: Selçuk - İzmir (166,0 km)


Stage 6: İstanbul - İstanbul (143,7 km)


The profiles are a bit exaggerated of course, so this isn't too unlikely to end up in having 5 sprints, and the Selçuk murito.

The provisional start list looks pee poor though, which may result is some exciting racing.

Here is hope. Especially as there is plenty of live coverage:



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    Re: Tour of Turkey
    « Reply #1 on: October 08, 2017, 17:42 »
    Those stages aren't as flat as I'd have thought.

    Sure, they're no high mountains, but from sea level to 500 or 700 metres isn't nothing.
    But since Guardini isn't riding, all the sprinters may just make it anyway ... :D
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    Re: Tour of Turkey
    « Reply #2 on: October 09, 2017, 18:12 »
    the final startlist is now available pn PCS - with no competition for #uae Ulissi to be seen. Unless guys like #bora König, #trek Pantano or maybe #cajarural Celano magically found some kind of shape.

    The sprints could be pretty open though. #teamtr Örken, #bora Bennett & Pelucchi, #astana Minali, #trek Theuns, #uae Kump & Consonni, #gazprom Porsev, #wilier Belletti, #wallonie Jules, #bardiani Albanese and #androni Gavazzi are some of the contenders for wins form those flatter stages.
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    Re: Tour of Turkey
    « Reply #3 on: October 10, 2017, 00:55 »
    Looking at the names that are either departures or finishes, I have been to at least 3 of those kebab shops and one of them sat at the top of a really nice cobbled climb. I'd recommend Marmaris, open til 1am and they do great chips too.

    With no-one of note heading that way, it is a chance for wannabees to ride themselves into the spotlight. But this tour is most certainly shaping up to become one giant Turkey.


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    « Reply #4 on: October 10, 2017, 18:17 »
    in stage 1 it came down to the expected sprint, with the expected winner:





    for whatever reason ASO has taken over to do the press work. Here is their stage report:

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    Sam Bennett delivers a first for Ireland in Turkey

    Already a winner of the Münsterland Giro in Germany last week, Sam Bennett (Bora-Hansgrohe) became the first Irish stage winner of the Presidential Tour of Turkey as he outsprinted Italy’s Marco Benfatto (Androni-Sidermec) and Belgium’s Edward Theuns (Trek-Segafredo) in Kemer.

    The peloton, 104 riders strong, left Alanya at 12.25pm. From the gun, four men attempted the first breakaway of the race: two were Turkish national team riders, Onur Balkan and Batuhan Özgür, in the company of representatives from Wilier Triestina and Soul Brasil Pro Cycling Team, Alex Turrin and Flavio Santos respectively.

    They were joined soon afterwards by two Bardiani CSF team-mates: Vincenzo Albanese and Simone Sterbini. With a long, flat stage ahead, and plenty of sprinters here to ensure cooperation in the chase, the peloton let them go and after 20 km those six led by 4m08s. By km 83, a variety of teams at the front of the peloton had the breakaway pinned at 2 minutes. Albanese claimed the first intermediate sprint at km 90.5 and Balkan ensured that the home team would appear at least on the podium once after the stage as he won the sprint of the Beauties of Turkey competition at km 110.

    With seconds of Balkan's successful sprint, Özgür dropped out of the leading group. Just inside 55km to go, the lead had come down to 1 minute 15 seconds. GazProm–Rusvelo led the peloton, with Trek-Segafredo riders Fumiyuku Beppu and Eugenio Alafaci taking turns to contribute to the chase, as did Bora-Hansgrohe's Michael Schwarzmann and Leopold Køonig. With 35.5 km to go and the slecond intermediate sprint almost in sight, Trek-Segafredo, led by Greg Daniel then Marco Coledan, hit the front of the poloton with an abrupt acceleration. The gap, which had dropped inside one minute with 38 km to go, instantly collapsed, and the breakaway was caught.

    The second intermediate sprint saw Francesco Gavazzi (Androni - Sidermec – Bottecchia) take the points, ahead, interestingly of Diego Ulissi (UAE Team Emirates). More good work from the Turkish national team allowed Muhammed Atalay to take third place there. Ulissi had uncovered his cards: the 3-second time bonus could come in very useful indeed to the recent GP Montreal winner.

    On the category 4 climb, the peloton, temporarily intact, split again. A mass move by Bardiani CSF proved successful, allowing Enrico Barbin to take the two points and, post-stage, the red jersey. With 15 km to go, Pavel Brutt (GazProm-RusVelo) led the peloton. Inside the final 3km, a group of riders went down in the same incident, including sprinter Aleksandr Porsev (GazProm–RusVelo). Bennett timed his sprint perfectly to take the win ahead of Marco Benfatto (Androni – Sidermec – Bottecchia), with Edward Theuns (Trek–Segafredo) third. The Irishman, now in the Turquoise jersey, is set to target a second stage win in stage 2 from Kumluca to Fethiye (206km).
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    Re: Tour of Turkey
    « Reply #5 on: October 10, 2017, 19:02 »
    for whatever reason ASO has taken over to do the press work. Here is their stage report:
    Odd.
    I received this report in the mail from the race organisation:
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    PRESIDENTIAL TOUR OF TURKEY: SAM BENNETT (BORA – HANSGROHE) MAKES HISTORY
    Stage report,  rider quotes

    Kemer, 10 October 2017 – In Kemer, southern Turkey this afternoon, Sam Bennett (BORA – Hansgrohe) became the first Irish stage winner in the 53 year history of the Presidential Tour  of Turkey. Second was Marco Benfatto* (Androni – Sidermec – Bottecchia), and third, Edward Theuns (Trek Segafredo).

    The story of the stage
    The peloton, 104 riders strong, left Alanya at 12.25pm. The stage ahead stage included, at km 110, a Beauties of Turkey sprint worth 5, 3, and 1 point towards the Vestel White Jersey, and at km 146.3, a single category 4 climb worth 2 and 1 pts in the Turkish Airlines Red Jersey competition to the first 2 riders across. A place on the post-stage podium, and a distinctive jersey for the duration of tomorrow's stage, were on offer to whoever could reach either prize first: a goal well worth riding for.

    After a 5km neutralised section before the racing start at km 0, four men attempted the first breakaway of the race: two were Turkish national team riders, in the company of representatives from Wilier Triestina - Selle Italia and Soul Brasil Pro Cycling Team.

    4 Onur Balkan (Turkish national team)
    7 Batuhan Özgür (Turkish national team)
    87 Alex Turrin (Wilier Triestina - Selle Italia)
    92 Flavio Santos Cardoso (Soul Brasil Pro Cycling Team)

    They were joined soon afterwards by two Bardiani CSF team-mates:

    111 Vincenzo Albanese (Bardiani CSF)
    116 Simone Sterbini (Bardiani CSF)

    With a long, flat stage ahead, and plenty of sprinters here to ensure cooperation in the chase, the peloton let them go and after 20 km those six led by 4m08s.

    By km 83, a variety of teams at the front of the peloton had the breakaway pinned at 2 minutes.

    With 15 Salcano Green Jersey points available to the stage winner, the intermediate sprints were something of a sideshow. The first of them went to 111 Vincenzo Albanese (Bardiani CSF).

    km 90.5 Intermediate sprint (Salcano Green Jersey points competition)
    1. (5 pts, 3 bonus secs) 111 Vincenzo Albanese (Bardiani CSF)
    2. (3 pts, 2 bonus secs) 92 Flavio Santos Cardoso (Soul Brasil Pro Cycling Team)
    3. (1 pt, 1 bonus sec) 87 Alex Turrin (Wilier Triestina - Selle Italia)

    After 108 km the breakaway riders were being held at 1 minute 38 seconds.

    The Vestel White Jersey for the Beauties of Turkey competition came down to a single sprint after 110 km. 4 Onur Balkan (Turkish national team) ensured that the home team would appear at least on the podium once after the stage.

    km 110 Beauties of Turkey sprint (Vestel White “Beauties of Turkey” Jersey)
    1. (5 pts) 4 Onur Balkan (Turkish national team)
    2. (3 pts) 87 Alex Turrin (Wilier Triestina - Selle Italia)
    3. (1 pt) 92 Flavio Santos Cardoso (Soul Brasil Pro Cycling Team)

    With seconds of Balkan's successful sprint, his team-mate 7 Batuhan Özgür (Turkish national team) dropped out of the leading group. With about 60 km to go, one of the stage favourites, 22 Sam Bennett (BORA-Hansgrohe) stopped at the roadside, perhaps with some sort of mechanical problem. He then materialised alongside his team car, perfectly composed. The peloton is truly a foreign country!

    Just inside 55km to go, the lead had come down to 1 minute 15 seconds. GazProm–Rusvelo led the peloton, with Trek-Segafredo riders Fumiyuku Beppu and Eugenio Alafaci taking turns to contribute to the chase, as did BORA-Hansgrohe's Michael Schwarzmann and Leopold Køonig. Indeed Edward Theuns, and who said pre-stage that San Bennett had to be considered the favourite for the stage win, so his job was to stay close to the Irishman.

    With 35.5 km to go and the second intermediate sprint almost in sight, Trek-Segafrredo, led by Greg Daniel then Marco Coledan, hit the front of the poloton with an abrupt acceleration. The gap, which had dropped inside one minute with 38 km to go, instantly collapsed, and the breakaway was caught.

    But the move was too early for the intermediate sprint, which saw 125 Francesco Gavazzi (Androni - Sidermec – Bottecchia) take the points, ahead, interestingly of 47 Diego Ulissi (UAE Team Emirates). More good work from the Turkish national team allowed 8 Muhammed Atalay (Turkish national team) to take third place there.

    Ulissi had uncovered his cards: the 3-second time bonus could come in very useful indeed to the recent GP Montreal winner.

    km 140.7 Intermediate sprint (Salcano Green Jersey points competition)
    1. (5 pts, 3 bonus secs) 125 Francesco Gavazzi (Androni - Sidermec – Bottecchia)
    2. (3 pts, 2 bonus secs) 47 Diego Ulissi (UAE Team Emirates)
    3. (1 pt, 1 bonus sec) 8 Muhammed Atalay (Turkish national team)

    On the category 4 climb, the peloton, temporarily intact, split again. A mass move by Bardiani CSF proved successful, allowing Enrico Barbin to take the two points and, post-stage, the Turkish Airlines Red Jersey.

    km 146.3 Category 4 climb (Turkish Airlines Red Jersey mountains competition)
    1. (2 pts) 112 Enrico Barbin (Bardiani CSF)
    2. (1 pt) 66 Michael Paluta (CCC Sprandi Polkowice)

    After the outbreak of hostilities, König and Alafaci resumed their positions at the front of the peloton, now travelling at high speed. The commissaires' announcement that feeding would be allowed until 10km before the finish gave an indication of how warm conditions were out on the road.

    With 15 km to go, Pavel Brutt (GazProm-RusVelo) led the peloton.

    Inside the final 3km, a CCC Sprandi Polkowice rider, yet to be identified as we dispatch this communiqué, went down. A group of riders went down in the same incident, including 72 Aleksandr Porsev (GazProm–RusVelo), who certainly suspeected a right collarbone injury; 58 Diego Rubio (Caja Rural–Seguros RGA), whose left knee was heavily strapped; and two Soul Brasil Pro Cycling Team riders: 91 Alfonso Murilo, whose frame was broken; and 92 Flavio Santos Cardoso., who was rewarded for his efforts in the breakaway by a taste of the asphalt.

    Ahead of them, 22 Sam Bennett (BORA – Hansgrohe) took the sprint ahead of Marco Benfatto (Androni – Sidermec – Bottecchia), with Edward Theuns (Trek Segafredo third).

    Spor Toto Alanya-Kemer Stage 1 result
    1. (15 pts, 10 bonus secs) 22 Sam Bennett (BORA- Hansgrohe)
    2. (14 pts, 6 bonus secs) 122 Marco Benfatto* (Androni – Sidermec – Bottecchia)
    3. (13 pts, 4 bonus secs) 36 Edward Theuns (Trek Segafredo)

    Jerseys
    Spor Toto Turquoise jersey: overall race leader: Sam Bennett (BORA- Hansgrohe)
    Turkish Airlines Red Jersey: mountain classification leader: Enrico Barbin (Bardiani CSF)
    Vestel White Jersey: Beauties of Turkey classification leader: Onur Balkan (Turkish national team)
    Salcano Green Jersey: points classification leader: Sam Bennett (BORA- Hansgrohe)

    POST-STAGE QUOTES

    Stage winner, Sam Bennett (BORA- Hansgrohe)
    Did the stage go as you expected?
    “We came with big ambitions to win stages and go for GC. We had a clear plan at the start of the stage, although it was very hard to pull it off. Trek, UAE and the other big teams fought hard so it was very difficult for us, but I have to thank my team mates – we've delivered on one of our first goals in stage 1.
    Are you the team's GC rider?
    “No, the climb will be too hard for me. Our GC man is Gregor Mühlberger, who has bveen riding really, really strong, and has progressed so much this year. He has a good chance for this race. We'll ride for him to the best of our abilities later in the week.”
    What do you think of the level of sprinters here?
    We have riders like Consonni and Theuns so it's not easy to win. Everyone knows there are WorldTour points here at the end of the season and everyone wants them.
    Were you worried about safety before you came?
    No, we're always travelling, and I see a lot of police around us. It's very secure. They seem to be doing a fantastic job and I'm feel pretty comfortable here. I see no reason to be afraid. It's a great set up here.
    How did the final 200m of the stage go?
    We wanted to hold back a little bit. We didn't expect Trek to come at us so strong. We really felt their presence. My team kept their cool and kept their timing right. Some guys went left at 200m to go and that was where I started my sprint. It was hard in the headwind and at 50m to go, I was tiring, but I looked around, saw I had a gap and I held my hands up on the line, which was really nice. You don't often get that chance.
    How many chances left do you have?
    Two, I think. The sprint today was harder than I expected. In the last 30 km the pace really dug in, it was a shock to the system. Hopefully I've got the flight out of my legs now, and I think tomorrow could be another opportunity.
    What was it like seeing Leopold König working for you?
    It is great to see Leopold back from injury. He's one of our leaders, and it's great to see him working for the team. Next year, when he's back, we'll no doubt have to repay the favour, so he's thanking us in advance with his work.
    What was it like to win as the favourite?
    I didn't expect people to be afraid of me. I thought, if we slow up, they'll slow up. But they didn't. I felt pressure to come up with a result in the final 2km. My legs felt a bit jelly because of it, but in the end, it worked really well. It's great to be favourite in the sprints. It's a new experience. That is, I've had it before but never in the WorldTour, so I think I learned a lot today about timing and taking control of where I want to go.

    Turkish beauties leader Onur Balkan: “I’ve taken part in the breakaway with my team-mate [Batuhan Özgür] from the beginning of the stage. Our goal today was to get a distinctive jersey. With the help of my friend, we managed to do so. For us it was a good stage. Ahmet Örken was involved in the crash at the end but he’s fine. We hope to help him get into the first positions on the finish line in the coming stages.”

    King of the Mountain Enrico Barbin: “The KOM wasn’t my duty today. We had to make the breakaway and those in the breakaway were supposed to go for the jersey but they got caught before the climb, so I went for it. It’s been an uphill sprint. It went well. It’s always gratifying to get a distinctive jersey. I know the TUR very well. I’ve done it a few times before and I even made the top 10. I love this race and I hope to keep doing well.”

    Third placed Edward Theuns: “I’m not 100% happy because I finished third whereas I was going for the win. But the team did a super great job. We tried to split the field when there was a bit of wind but it didn’t work. In the end, they put me in the front. The last guy before me maybe let me go a bit too early. There was a head wind and the other guys could gain some more speed from the back. I think Bennett was the fastest today anyway. He’s on a good form and his sprint is really good at the moment. As for myself, after the Vuelta I feel that my climbing has improved but I lack a bit of acceleration for sprinting at my best. That’s also why we tried to make the race hard in the wind. We did the maximum we could and we’ll try again tomorrow.”

    This in particular is gold:
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    With about 60 km to go, one of the stage favourites, 22 Sam Bennett (BORA-Hansgrohe) stopped at the roadside, perhaps with some sort of mechanical problem. He then materialised alongside his team car, perfectly composed. The peloton is truly a foreign country!
    I've never before read such a poetic description of a mechanical! :lol
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    Re: Tour of Turkey
    « Reply #6 on: October 10, 2017, 19:18 »
    Quote from: Sam Bennett
    Everyone knows there are WorldTour points here at the end of the season and everyone wants them.

    Are there WT points? I thought they had decided that none of these new races would have any.
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    « Reply #7 on: October 10, 2017, 20:16 »
    Are there WT points? I thought they had decided that none of these new races would have any.

    they do show up in the World Tour ranking on uci.ch and also in the Road Racing Rules (Arndt has 300 points from winning the Cadel Evans race for example, and not much else), so it seems like there are
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    « Reply #8 on: October 10, 2017, 20:18 »
    Are there WT points? I thought they had decided that none of these new races would have any.
    they do show up in the World Tour ranking on uci.ch and also in the Road Racing Rules (Arndt has 300 points from winning the Cadel Evans race for example, and not much else), so it seems like there are
    There are WT points, and they do count for the WT ranking ...

    ... but they do not count for the ranking of teams in terms of the 'sporting criteria' to determine which 18 of the teams applying for a WT license should get one.

    In other words, yes, but no. :fp
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    « Reply #9 on: October 11, 2017, 11:07 »
    only three riders were dropped during yesterday's stage by the way:

    #funvic Pedro Nicacio +1:47
    #bora Michael Schwarzmann +3:38
    #bora Leopold König +5:47

    on the bright side, it's one of the three days this year König has finished at all, but this doesn't look too promising... let's hope he can somehow manage to recover from his knee injury over the winter.
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    « Reply #10 on: October 12, 2017, 16:08 »
    two more wins for Postman Sam (by basically a couple of bike lengths each) before Ulissi takes over tomorrow





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    Re: Tour of Turkey
    « Reply #11 on: October 12, 2017, 17:53 »
    Bennett must have laughed his head off when he saw the start list: a World Tour stage race with no other serious sprinters.
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    « Reply #12 on: October 12, 2017, 18:21 »
    There might have been some wry laughter, but I'm sure he'd rather be facing people like Greipel, Viviani and Cavendish like he might have done in previous years. He might not be on three stage wins then, but what results he got would have had more cachet.

    Still you can only beat the riders you are facing and he has done that easily enough. :cool
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    « Reply #14 on: October 12, 2017, 18:58 »
    There might have been some wry laughter, but I'm sure he'd rather be facing people like Greipel, Viviani and Cavendish like he might have done in previous years. He might not be on three stage wins then, but what results he got would have had more cachet.

    Still you can only beat the riders you are facing and he has done that easily enough. :cool

    is there any chance that he can more or less hang on tomorrow? When Bilbao won in 2015 Selvaggi (who is way taller and heavier, and I would say more of a classics type of rider) finished only ~half a minute down
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    « Reply #15 on: October 12, 2017, 19:45 »
    is there any chance that he can more or less hang on tomorrow? When Bilbao won in 2015 Selvaggi (who is way taller and heavier, and I would say more of a classics type of rider) finished only ~half a minute down

    It's not that long a climb, so conceivably he could limit his losses, especially if there was a headwind on the climb and Muhlberger was anchoring attacks, but I'm inclined to think he won't be able to. He just about hung on today to the first group that went over the top. Add on a few more % to the gradient and he may go pop at some point.
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    « Reply #16 on: October 13, 2017, 00:21 »
    It's not that long a climb, so conceivably he could limit his losses, especially if there was a headwind on the climb and Muhlberger was anchoring attacks, but I'm inclined to think he won't be able to. He just about hung on today to the first group that went over the top. Add on a few more % to the gradient and he may go pop at some point.

    Yeah, I pretty much agree with this. Bennett is very light for a sprinter and he has on occasion shown good ability on hills, but his Tour of Britain queen stage win was when he was a kid and I haven't seen him climb well enough to limit his losses on a course like tomorrow's in a long time. Plus Ulissi, Pantano etc will be aware that he'll probably pick up more bonus seconds on at least one later stage so will presumably make sure they kill him off early on the climb.
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    Re: Tour of Turkey
    « Reply #17 on: October 13, 2017, 15:32 »
    yeah... 15 minutes down in the end



    Theuns on the other hand managed to hang on for a while, but still dropped down to 17th in GC
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    « Reply #18 on: October 13, 2017, 20:59 »
    good god...  :S

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    « Reply #20 on: October 14, 2017, 09:40 »
    today's stage could be more interesting...



    in 2015 Cavendish won...



    ...but he had lost a minute on the climb already before being brought back by his team with ~10k to go. So it may come down to a sprint again, but attackers have a chance - and in case it'll be a sprint, it could be a significantly reduced one
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    Re: Tour of Turkey
    « Reply #21 on: October 14, 2017, 15:07 »
    today's stage could be more interesting...

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    attackers have a chance - and in case it'll be a sprint, it could be a significantly reduced one

    uhm... no, not at all

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    Re: Tour of Turkey
    « Reply #22 on: October 14, 2017, 16:24 »
    Oh, comeon, it wasn't sucha bad stage. On the last 2nd category climb, the pace was high and most of the field was being dropped from the main favorites group - over the top they must have been only 20 something left! And then there actually was a quite credible (but optimistic) attack by 2x  #wilier,  Koshevoy and Martinez right at the top of the climb. However, #uae had brought Vegard Stake Laengen with them and he rode very strong, chasing down the attackers and briefly just rolling out in front of the peloton on the descent. He kept hauling the peloton and closing down attacks (with some help from #trek) until 2 kilometers left. Ulissi didn't need a team, really, just Vegard (disclaimer: for the part of the race I saw, from ~70 km out minus some nap time... ) 

    The sprint was a bit of an anticlimax though as #trek leadout fumbled and blocked his own sprinter, which provided the kind of leadout Bennet needed. 
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    Re: Tour of Turkey
    « Reply #23 on: October 15, 2017, 11:47 »
    https://twitter.com/velonews/status/919253156667695106

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    The late changes and uncertainty meant that some teams hesitated and failed to ink in their planner the six-day event, which was promoted to the WorldTour calendar for 2017.

    “This year, it was our fault because we informed [the teams] of the stages pretty late. We don’t want to do that for next year and for that reason we will inform them pretty early so the teams may put the Tour of Turkey into their calendars,”

    “We will have petty much the same dates for next year because it is too late to change but we might have some changes for the following years,” said organization director Zeki Yildirim. “We will announce the stages this week.

    “We had a UCI representative and consultant here and that meeting was very productive and they were very impressed with our race organization. They said they were very happy with what we’ve done so far.”

    Getting away from four lane highways might be an idea as well.
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    Re: Tour of Turkey
    « Reply #24 on: October 15, 2017, 12:41 »
    https://twitter.com/velonews/status/919253156667695106

    Getting away from four lane highways might be an idea as well.
    Deeper peloton? Like the one they had until 2015, after which they sacked the organising committee and put another in charge?

    Which was also before Erdoğan turned the country into his personal authoritarian state, quelling any and all opposition? But of course the only reason nobody came to this year's race is that they "informed [the teams] of the stages pretty late". Sure, just keep telling yourself that.
    :fp
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    Re: Tour of Turkey
    « Reply #25 on: October 16, 2017, 10:54 »
    I managed about 20 minutes of one stage before giving up.

    [ironic]It was better years ago in the spring with the local riders smashing everyone to bits[/ironic]
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