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2018 CQ Game Thread
« on: December 17, 2017, 20:42 »
Hi all, and welcome to the 2018 CQ Ranking Manager Game! This is the eighth edition of the game. Please see below for some history, basics, and more specific rules related to dates, dopers, etc.

History

The game was launched on December 8th 2010 by cyclingnews forum poster Hugo Koblet. His idea was to have a game where you build a cycling team from the website cqranking.com and its comprehensive numerical rankings of riders. What was originally meant to be a 25-team max competition that Hugo reserved the right to cancel if there was lack of interest became the most successful game in cyclingnews forum history, and has expanded to velorooms forums as well.

Hugo successfully ran the game for 3 years, and it bred various offshoots, such as a youth game, seasonal games (classics and GTs), emerging riders and riders in decline games. I took over organizing the main game for 2014 when Hugo got too busy, and have done so for the past four years.

Some statistics:

2011 – 87 participants
1. ingsve – 13897 points
2. Waterloo Sunrise – 13450
3. mc_mountain – 12670

2012 – 129 participants
1. skidmark – 19345 points
2. Kvinto – 18087
3. Nyssinator – 17761

2013 – 132 participants
1. SteelyDan – 13094 points
2. Geraint Too Fast – 13074
3. will10 – 12986

2014 – 150 participants
1. Pentacycle – 14367 points
2. Cykeltyven – 13693
3. Ruudz0r - 13609

2015 – 155 participants
1. Cykeltyven – 16209 points
2. skidmark - 15616
3. snccdcno - 15412

2016 – 144 participants
1. skidmark – 15392 points
2. jeroenk - 14707
3. abbulf - 14448

2017 – 131 participants
1. fauniera – 15867 points
2. the asian - 15698
3. GP Blanco - 15217

That is it for preamble. Let’s go through the more comprehensive set of rules:

Basics

The game is based on the point system developed by the website www.cqranking.com. Based on this system you will have to select a team of between 25 and 33 riders whose combined value doesn’t exceed 7500 points. 7500 points is a fair bit under the mean for the ProTour teams whose mean for 2016 is 8891. 7500 was closest to the amount of points UAE Team Emirates made during the 2016 season, the 13th ranked of the 18 WT teams. At the end of the 2017 season it was generally accepted that the simplicity of having a 'round' 7500 to spend worked well, so it will be kept at 7500 points for the 2018 CQ Game too. 

Your aim then is to select a team of riders who will increase their 2017 score the most during the 2018 season. The winner of the game is the one who has selected the team with the highest combined value when the game ends.


1. How the game works

1.1. Start & Finish
The season starts when the first race giving CQ points is held (which is the Aussie National TT Championships on January 5th) and ends when the last major race (.1 or higher) is held. The winner will be crowned when the next update after the last major race is out.*

*An extension will be granted to the end of season if it is very close at the top. If any teams are within 100 points of the leader after the last major race, the season will be automatically extended until the final race of the year unless all teams within 100 points explicitly concede. As well, anyone in the top 10 can extend the season by PMing me a request to do so before the last major race starts.

(The reason for this rule is that although minor races go through December, it is rare to have a rider in the game participate in these races, so it is sensible to end the season when people are still generally watching cycling. But if it's a very close race, it's important to crown the person who picked the best team for the year.)

1.2 Updates
Each week we will publish an update with a top 10 and a list of the high scorers and high jumpers. This will sometimes be by me, and sometimes by others – I will be setting a tentative schedule based on volunteers.

2. On doping

2.1. On ex-dopers
All riders are available to choose, except for riders who are provisionally suspended by the UCI, as of their most recent list:

~pdf http://www.uci.ch/mm/Document/News/CleanSport/17/63/88/20171214ProvisionalsuspensionsEN_English.PDF

Riders who have been suspended for doping and had that affect their 2016 score will not be available simply for their 2016 score. Instead, a rider’s value will be equivalent to that of his last full season; or, if he has more recently had a (not full, due to suspension) season in which he has earned more points, that season represents his value. Riders who have been suspended by the UCI (ie. Not merely provisionally suspended) are on this list:

~pdf http://www.uci.ch/mm/Document/News/CleanSport/17/32/52/20171215SanctionADRVENG2.0_English.pdf

Therefore, you can pick any rider you like, but if you want to take Michael Bresciani, for example, his positive result and suspension came from 2017, meaning his last 'full' season was 2016, in which he scored 5 points. However, since he scored more in his 'partial' 2017 season, his cost is instead the 8 points he scored in that season.

Hopefully the lists I've provided and the rules are clear enough, but if you make an error I will try to let you know if any of your submissions fall into this category.

2.2. Riders getting caught during the season
If you include a rider in your team who gets caught with his hands in the cookie jar, nothing happens right away. Your rider keeps his points unless the cqranking.com deletes his results before the end of the game.

Basically, the value of a rider on cqranking.com always stands.

3. Submitting your team
(see next post)
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    Re: 2018 CQ Game Thread
    « Reply #1 on: December 17, 2017, 20:44 »
    3. Submitting your team

    3.1. How do I?

    You pick between 25 and 33 riders whose combined value doesn’t exceed 7500 points and send the list to me.

    As I will manually have to include the teams into the Microsoft Excel file which keeps track of the scores, please be careful that you send your team to me based on the correct formula. I don’t take any responsibility for any error you might make. If I spot an error I will do my best to contact you but I can’t guarantee anything. Of course, if you have any questions feel free to ask either here in this thread or by sending a personal message.

    The layout you need to use is this:

    VAN AVERMAET Greg
    CONTADOR VELASCO Alberto
    Etc.

    Nothing else. No points after the name. Also, be careful that there is no “space” after the name, because I will have to delete it manually, but can't always detect these things in time for the game. If there is an error that isn't discovered until after the game starts, the rider will simply be deleted from the team without replacement.

    To make things easier for both you and me I will link to a file for you to download in which you can type in your team and it will automatically show you the value of each rider as well as the aggregated value of your team. Then you will just have to copy your team (names only) directly from this file and send it to me.

    Hopefully this clears any misunderstandings of a rider’s value as well as reduces the number of errors made in a team sent to me.

    3.2. When do I?
    The first race of the season will start January 5, so I want to have your team in hand on January 3 at the latest.

    There are two deadlines: a submission deadline and a revision/publication deadline, spaced 24 hours apart. This is to address the issue brought up in recent years about whether it is 'fair' to allow changes after teams have seen the teams of other players, and for 'late' submissions. I would like to make this a game that is accessible to as many people as possible, yet preserve that element of fairness. So, the submission deadline will be when I want to have received all the teams. The revision and publication deadline is to allow a 24-hour period for me to look over the teams and allow a chance to people to change their team in case of error, before having access to a list of riders that other teams picked. If you get mixed up with the time zone or unexpectedly don't have internet access around the submission deadline, I will accept teams up to the revision deadline at my discretion, but if allowed those teams will not have the chance to revise in case of error.

    The submission deadline is 23:59 (CET) January 2nd, so early January 3rd for Aussies and sometime earlier on January 2nd for North Americans. The revision and publication deadline is 24 hours later; I would ask that people refrain from posting the riders on their team until after that, so midnight CET on the start of January 4th.

    Please note that even though it feels as though the season is over, it’s actually not. There are still racing to be done and CQ points to be handed out that could affect the value of a rider you have picked. It is always possible that an obscure rider may score points in a small race at the end of season, or that CQ will adjust points for an earlier season race for whatever reason (eg. readjusting points for suspended dopers) Be mindful of these changes.

    cqranking.com usually uploads the final update of the season on December 31, and the values in this update are the ones we’re using. However, the changes are usually very small so there’s no reason why you can’t start selecting your team already today!

    **Disclaimer: ensuring your team is full of eligible riders and is on budget is your responsibility. If I notice you are over budget or have an ineligible rider I will send you a message, but if you don't get back to me in time, or I don't catch it before the deadline, I will simply remove one rider to make your budget work. Obviously it is to your advantage to be able to choose all your riders, so please be diligent.**

    Create Your Team

    Hugo created a very helpful file in 2012, referred to above, that helps avoid any errors in calculation and helps ensure you are formatting your rider names correctly. I would encourage everyone to use this option, especially if you are not confident in your spreadsheet creating skills. Please use the file attached here to create your team, then copy and paste the rider names to send to me by PM once you have it correct. Thank you.

    **note: the 'create your team' file has not yet been manually updated to include different scores for dopers as per rule 2.1, so it is currently wholly your responsibility to account for this.**

    I think that about covers everything. If you have any questions or if I forgot to add or explain anything, please let me know.

    Have fun and remember to visit www.cqranking.com! Without their great work it wouldn’t be possible to have this game.

    This game is also being run through cyclingnews.com forums, and you can submit a team to me through either here or there. Updates will also be posted to both places.

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    Re: 2018 CQ Game Thread
    « Reply #2 on: December 17, 2017, 20:58 »
    This post is reserved for updates of teams as they come in. If you've submitted a team and it doesn't show up here within 24 hours, please contact me. If your team is up and has an asterisk beside it, it means it was received but you have to make changes before it's finalized (you will have been sent a PM by me specifying what needs to be changed).

    Here are the 128 participating teams in the 2018 edition:

    18.valve(pithy)
    abbulf
    adamski101
    Akuryo
    AlyKaptan
    Amis Velo
    ansimi
    Archieboy
    Armchair Cyclist
    armchairclimber
    AupaPyama
    barmaher
    Bicycle Boy
    Blues in the bottle
    bminchow
    bort
    Brullnux
    Carlo Algatrensig
    ChrisDK
    comodoro
    CQManager
    Crevaison
    del1962
    derrudi
    DFA123
    DJ Sprtsch
    DJW
    drebelo
    escartin
    EvansIsTheBest
    Eyeballs Out
    fauniera
    Ferminal
    flashke
    freshman
    Geraint Too Fast
    Giallo
    Gigs_98
    Googolplex
    Gotland
    GP Blanco
    greenedge
    Guilherme Ribero
    Guybrush
    Hakkie2
    HelgeBlendet
    Hugo Koblet
    Jakob 747
    Jancouver
    Joelsim
    Jon_Ezeitza
    Josedin
    Jpettersen
    jsem94
    Jspear
    kabete
    karaev
    Kazistuta
    kiilike
    kiszol
    Kjellus
    Koronin
    Krokro
    Kryvo
    laarsland
    LaFlorecita
    Leadbelly
    LightBing
    Londonpat
    LosBrolin
    l'velo
    Maaaaaarten
    MADRAZO
    manafana
    Martin
    Mellow Velo
    minessa
    monsieur_hulot
    NairoQ
    Nathanptz
    Nicosix
    NorthAmericanScum
    nuvolablu
    Object
    oliveira
    Pantani1
    PeterB
    Poles & Co.
    Popchu
    postmanhat
    PremierAndrew
    repre
    Riverside
    rote_laterne
    Roubaix
    ruvu75
    SafeBet
    Salvarani
    scrooll07
    search
    shalgo
    Shawnm4747
    simple
    skidmark
    Slapshot
    Sneekes
    sodak_za
    Squire
    the asian
    TheArt
    Tigerion
    tom-jelte
    torcia_86
    Total Package
    trackstand
    triley36
    Trudgin
    Valv.Piti
    VeloRooms
    Vesica
    vladimir
    Wallenquist
    will10
    WKA311
    Yellow Knight
    yoyokt
    zaka_fan
    zlev11
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    Re: 2018 CQ Game Thread
    « Reply #3 on: December 17, 2017, 23:37 »
    Hey all, I'm having some trouble with the forum - when I tried to post the whole first post it kept kicking me out of the forum entirely. [snip]
    Cleanup on aisle five! Can I have a techie, please!? :D

    I have no idea what's going on, or how to fix it.
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  • « Last Edit: December 18, 2017, 03:57 by Francois the Postman »
    2018 Synergy Baku Press Officer; 2017 0711|CYCLING PR Manager; 2016 Stölting Content Editor
    Views presented are my own.
    RIP Keith

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    Re: 2018 CQ Game Thread
    « Reply #4 on: December 18, 2017, 02:57 »
    Ailse five crew arrived with bucket. Reported Skidmarks being coned off.





    [edit] ... should all be ok now.
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    Re: 2018 CQ Game Thread
    « Reply #5 on: December 18, 2017, 10:52 »
    My team is in.

    I think I have this in the bag.

     :P
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    Re: 2018 CQ Game Thread
    « Reply #6 on: December 18, 2017, 11:30 »
    3rd January, 16 days!!!!

     :o :( :(

    What's happening with youth and 2018 to 2020?? although I may be dead by 2020.... to big a milestone

    Just noticed its my 1000th post... another milestone  :cool
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    Re: 2018 CQ Game Thread
    « Reply #7 on: December 18, 2017, 16:44 »
    My team is in.

    I think I have this in the bag.

     :P

    Ingsve said that in the first edition, and was right.
    Are you equally confident?
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    Re: 2018 CQ Game Thread
    « Reply #8 on: December 18, 2017, 16:48 »
    3rd January, 16 days!!!!

     :o :( :(

    What's happening with youth and 2018 to 2020?? although I may be dead by 2020.... to big a milestone

    Just noticed its my 1000th post... another milestone  :cool

    Congratulations on the megapost.

    2018-20 Emerging riders game will be formally launched around New Year, but by all means you can start thinking about it.  It'll be the same as previously: 18 riders, maximum lifetime CQ total to 31/12/17 of 199.  If he would be on 200+ but for points deducted due to sanctions, he is not allowed.
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    Re: 2018 CQ Game Thread
    « Reply #9 on: December 18, 2017, 17:10 »
    3rd January, 16 days!!!!

     :o :( :(

    What's happening with youth and 2018 to 2020?? although I may be dead by 2020.... to big a milestone

    Just noticed its my 1000th post... another milestone  :cool
    youth later this week
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    Re: 2018 CQ Game Thread
    « Reply #10 on: December 18, 2017, 17:21 »
    Ailse five crew arrived with bucket. Reported Skidmarks being coned off.

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    [edit] ... should all be ok now.

    Thanks for the help Francois! I could only get back to this now so your help is much appreciated.
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    Re: 2018 CQ Game Thread
    « Reply #11 on: December 19, 2017, 16:29 »
    Yeah enough tinkering from me.

    Might as well get the team in early in case VR blows up over Xmas again! :P

    Fingers crossed for no injuries/failed tests/reallocated points before the Aussie Nats.
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    Re: 2018 CQ Game Thread
    « Reply #12 on: December 24, 2017, 15:54 »
    Team Leadbelly

    WT - 7
    PCT - 15
    CT - 10
    Club - 1

    Pretty similar to last year. A couple more PCT-ers in place of WT riders.

    Spain and Colombia lead the way with four riders each, but the number of escarabajos is an outlier to a fairly Euro-centric team - no Laotians this time!

    How about everyone else?
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    Re: 2018 CQ Game Thread
    « Reply #13 on: December 24, 2017, 18:52 »
    sorry, does the team go to Skidmark of Armchair Cyclist?
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    Re: 2018 CQ Game Thread
    « Reply #14 on: December 24, 2017, 20:02 »
    Skidmark of Armchair Cyclist?

    Eh?! :D

    It's skids you send it to.
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    Re: 2018 CQ Game Thread
    « Reply #15 on: December 24, 2017, 20:06 »
    hahahaha he ability to type makes such a difference
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    Re: 2018 CQ Game Thread
    « Reply #16 on: December 24, 2017, 20:48 »
    Okay my team is in - already had to change original..  the breakdown surprises my a bit.  :o


    7 - CT
    14 PCT
    11 WT


    Nationalities  :o :o :o :o

    *co  6
    *es - 12
    *fr - 7
    *ie - 1
    *ru - 1
    *sk - 1
    *it - 4  :( :(

    I think i've picked 12 Spanish in an attempt to find the next Alberto

    Ok teams

    1 #adria  #ag2r #amore  #androni  #astana  #bahrain  #bardiani  #cajarural  #cofidis  #coldeportes  #direct  #jlt #katusha #manzana #nippo #roubaix  #sky #trek #wanty #porto

    #movistar  #quickstep #wilier

    4 #murias

    and a Polartec - cant find a kit for it.

     :lol :lol




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    Re: 2018 CQ Game Thread
    « Reply #17 on: December 25, 2017, 20:13 »
    Just a note - Flo found a few riders with different scores while putting together the youth game. Please remember to double check the current 2017 scores as displayed on the CQ site, rather than just going off the last (November 26th) spreadsheet.

    However, I am manually entering the correct scores of relevant riders into the 'create your team' spreadsheet as well as the game spreadsheet I am using to enter the teams, so if you notice someone with a score discrepancy who might be relevant to the game, please let me know and I'll try to update it so people won't be confused. Thanks!
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    Re: 2018 CQ Game Thread
    « Reply #18 on: December 28, 2017, 00:02 »
    My team :cool

    Points
    500+:      3
    400-500:  4
    300-400:  3
    200-300:  6
    100-200:  6
    >100:      11

    Teams
    5 #trek  :o
    4 #astana #quickstep
    3 #bora
    2 #bardiani #sky :o :o
    1 #ag2r #burgos #bahrain #bmc #cofidis #didata #efd #fdj #israel #orica #sunweb #vlaanderen #vitalconcept

    Nationalities
    11 *it :o
    5 *fr
    4 *co
    3 *nl
    2 *uk *no
    1 *be *cz *es *ee *lt *ru

    Age
    >30:     2
    28-30:  9
    25-27:  5
    22-24:  11
    20-21:  6
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    Re: 2018 CQ Game Thread
    « Reply #19 on: December 28, 2017, 14:15 »
    My team :cool

    Points
    500+:      3
    400-500:  4
    300-400:  3
    200-300:  6
    100-200:  6
    >100:      11

    Teams
    5 #trek  :o
    4 #astana #quickstep
    3 #bora
    2 #bardiani #sky :o :o
    1 #ag2r #burgos #bahrain #bmc #cofidis #didata #efd #fdj #israel #orica #sunweb #vlaanderen #vitalconcept

    Nationalities
    11 *it :o
    5 *fr
    4 *co
    3 *nl
    2 *uk *no
    1 *be *cz *es *ee *lt *ru

    Age
    >30:     2
    28-30:  9
    25-27:  5
    22-24:  11
    20-21:  6

    I have passed my Italians to Floof - 1 Spanish Flo whats that all about

    I will do my teams  :o
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    Re: 2018 CQ Game Thread
    « Reply #20 on: December 31, 2017, 00:36 »
    Okay, I was off grid for a couple of days but have caught up on the submissions. As of the end of the day (in Canada) on December 30th, there are 39 teams - the exact number of submissions that we had last year at the end of this day. Keep em coming, tell your friends!

    Thanks to all who have participated so far. Just a note - when submitting names, please make sure to include the proper spelling, which includes accents and umlauts and the like over letters in the name. The best resource is the CQ spreadsheet - you can copy/paste a name from there if you're not sure about how to make the accents etc.
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    Re: 2018 CQ Game Thread
    « Reply #21 on: December 31, 2017, 15:34 »
    ¿A qué dirección o e-mail debo enviar mi equipo?
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    Re: 2018 CQ Game Thread
    « Reply #22 on: December 31, 2017, 17:41 »
    ¿A qué dirección o e-mail debo enviar mi equipo?

    I have sent your list to Skidmark.
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    Re: 2018 CQ Game Thread
    « Reply #23 on: December 31, 2017, 18:31 »
    Thank you very much.
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    Re: 2018 CQ Game Thread
    « Reply #24 on: December 31, 2017, 22:17 »
    Alright, new years update! There are 53 teams received so far, exactly how many there were at the end of December 31st last year (and the deadline was the same day as this year). If we have an influx of teams in the last two days like last year we will end up with similar numbers.

    The CQ December 31st update came out as well, so I've programmed that into the Create Your Team spreadsheet - that means if you click on the link in the original post, you can check your team officially to make sure the score matches up.

    I'm on a trip this week so I'll try to keep on top of the entries, but there may be a bit of a delay in getting the spreadsheet out after the deadline. I will do my best to respond to the entries as they come in, though.

    Happy New Year all!
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    Re: 2018 CQ Game Thread
    « Reply #25 on: January 02, 2018, 01:26 »
    Hey everyone, just a note that the submission deadline is a little less than 24 hours away! But after that, there is a buffer period for revisions of teams that need changes (I receive so many in the last day of entry that I can't confirm them all right away). So I'd ask folks to refrain from posting their teams until 23:59pm CET on the 3rd (basically, midnight on the 4th) when all of the entries and revisions have come in. Thanks, keep the entries coming!
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    Re: 2018 CQ Game Thread
    « Reply #26 on: January 02, 2018, 01:32 »
    Making my CQ team has become my New Year's Day tradition!

    It seems hard this year. None of the expensive riders are looking like great deals to me. When in doubt, I pick riders I like :D

    Pretty sure it will be my youngest team ever. I think a lot of my picks will be riders who got more points in 2017 than in 2016. I'd be interested to hear the 2016 totals for players' 2018 teams.
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    Re: 2018 CQ Game Thread
    « Reply #27 on: January 02, 2018, 09:04 »
    I have spent 90% of today searching for zero pointers...... :=B :=B :=B

    And then checking for 2018 :flustered

    just in case anyone missed it... (as I did): there's a Zero Pointers CQ Game on CN:

    http://forum.cyclingnews.com/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=33799

    if you want to participate, just pick 10 zero pointers and send them to "rote_laterne" over there
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    Re: 2018 CQ Game Thread
    « Reply #28 on: January 02, 2018, 09:29 »
    I only worked out this time around that it seems the zero point list is sorted by something relevant (can't work it out exactly as it's not points, maybe days raced or time since first race) so you don't need to go too deep.
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    Re: 2018 CQ Game Thread
    « Reply #29 on: January 02, 2018, 10:10 »
    just in case anyone missed it... (as I did): there's a Zero Pointers CQ Game on CN

    I have a feeling we're going to see some very similar teams. Nevertheless I have thrown a quick team together.
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