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Re: Smaller Race Results and Discussion 2018
« Reply #30 on: January 28, 2018, 20:41 »






I wasn't totally crackers having Alex in my CQ team last year. Very weak field for a 2.1 and the parcour wasn't as tough as I had it in my head, but he deserved the win for sure. He was part of the break for three days in a row with the middle of those being the only unsuccessful day as he and Vogt got caught with 500m to go.
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    Re: Smaller Race Results and Discussion 2018
    « Reply #32 on: January 29, 2018, 18:57 »
    I saw the ITT and the final stage on #baku duty.
    It played out exactly as you'd expect - break goes, gets 2:30 minutes, escapees attack each other on penultimate lap, everyone is caught on final lap, sprint.
    The ITT ... was an ITT. I agree that it was too long for a stage race with this lack of difficulties, becoming too decisive for what was otherwise two mass sprints and a small group arriving together.

    Now to my criticism of the race:
    Other than the crossings of the finish line, there was no indication whatever of how far along in the stage they were at any given point (except for a running clock that showed the time raced, which is nice, I guess, but doesn't say anything about distance covered or left). I'm dedicated, but not even I am prepared to memorise the route map of a 2.5-hour crit stage including local landmarks etc. just to be able to tell if they're at 5 or at 3 km to go.
    Contrary to the road stages, there was no live timing in the ITT - where it would have been very useful indeed! All we had there was one quick look at the intermediate standings halfway through (which later rose to infamous prominence as the 'provisional stage result').
    Maybe the Arabic commentator(s) said something about riders' ITT times or the distance to go ... but I don't understand Arabic.

    If you want your race to be taken seriously and develop it into something more than a gadget that you can brag about to your sheikh peers, this is simply not good enough.

    I dunno. I think you're being a bit harsh.

    If it was just a plaything or some sort of status symbol, wouldn't they have splashed the cash and invited some bigger teams and names? The fact that it has evolved up from a 2.2 to a 2.1 and they haven't gone overboard on upgrading the field gives it a more organic feel and suggests to me that the budget isn't unlimited.

    I would be congratulating them on offering free coverage of the entire race from start to finish (a certain WT race offered zero live coverage). The lack of times and splits is always annoying, but as you said, maybe the comms were giving some info and we couldn't understand the lingo.
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    Re: Smaller Race Results and Discussion 2018
    « Reply #33 on: January 29, 2018, 19:01 »


    Didn't the Algerians used to not invite the Moroccans to races and vice versa? Zibans mustn't have got the memo.
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    Re: Smaller Race Results and Discussion 2018
    « Reply #34 on: January 29, 2018, 20:01 »
    Ah yes, the annual crashfest. Always gets the big Italian names out of bed early in the year though.

    Nibali didn't get out of bed but it was a crashfest. Ouch. :o
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    Re: Smaller Race Results and Discussion 2018
    « Reply #35 on: January 30, 2018, 09:49 »
    If it was just a plaything or some sort of status symbol, wouldn't they have splashed the cash and invited some bigger teams and names? The fact that it has evolved up from a 2.2 to a 2.1 and they haven't gone overboard on upgrading the field gives it a more organic feel and suggests to me that the budget isn't unlimited.
    I'd counter this by saying that they care so little about the race apart from it being a status symbol that they simply didn't want to invite bigger teams. Also because the budget isn't limitless, but mostly because that inter-emirate rivalry is so intense.

    UAE Team Emirates & Bahrain Merida would be obvious choices for top teams, you'd think ... but then, those are teams from Abu Dhabi and Bahrain[1]. And more than having a stellar field, a billionaire sheikh cares about not being upstaged by his rival sheikh's team in his own race. #uae & #bahrain would have wiped the floor with the #sharjah Sharjah Team - that is unacceptable. Rather lose out to "Giro and Tour stage winners" (or however you'd spin #delko #wilier #vital) that nobody in Sharjah recognises than to be upstaged by 'the other emirate'.

    I would be congratulating them on offering free coverage of the entire race from start to finish (a certain WT race offered zero live coverage). The lack of times and splits is always annoying, but as you said, maybe the comms were giving some info and we couldn't understand the lingo.
    Other than stage 3 (which I didn't see), the race was an utter bore. Free coverage of watching paint dry still only lets you watch paint dry.
    I'm not opposed to watching dull sprint stages per se, but even I draw the line somewhere.
     1. they're actually Italian and Italo-Slovenian, but the sheikhs don't know that
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    Re: Smaller Race Results and Discussion 2018
    « Reply #36 on: February 03, 2018, 09:33 »
    Colombia Oro y Paz 6th - 11th February



    Stage 1 Circuito Palmira (99.9km)



    9 laps

    Stage 2 Palmira › Palmira (183.4km)



    Stage 3 Palmira › Buga (163.2km)



    Stage 4 Buga › Alto Boquerón (El Tambo) (149.5km)





    Stage 5 Pereira › Salento (163.7km)





    Stage 6 Armenia › Manizales (Torre de Chipre) (187.7km)






    List of competing teams:

    Movistar - Quintana
    Quick-Step Floors - Gaviria and Alaphilippe
    EF Drapac - Uran
    Sky - Bernal and Henao

    Manazana Postobon - Molano and Reyes
    Burgos BH
    Holowesko Citadel - Eisenhart and Murphy
    Israel Cycling Academy - Avila and Raim
    Androni Sidermec - Sosa and Malucelli
    Euskadi Murias
    CCC Sprandi
    UnitedHealthcare - Tvetcov and Acevedo
    Bardiani CSF - Ciccone and Guardini
     
    Coldeportes Zenu - Cano and Rubiano
    Medellin Inder - Sevilla and Mendoza
    Bicicletas Strongman - Cala
    GW Shimano - Serpa and Parra
    EPM
    Illuminate - Laas
    Trevigiani Phonix - Penalver and Montoya
    Orgullo Paisa - Montiel
    Agrupacion Virgen De Fatima - Richeze and Escuela

    Colombia - Pantano and Atapuma
    Russia
    Italy - Vigano
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    Re: Smaller Race Results and Discussion 2018
    « Reply #38 on: February 03, 2018, 09:42 »
    I was surprised to see Vigano on that list... but it seems like it's the Italian National Track team competing there

    http://www.cicloweb.it/2018/02/01/colombia-oro-y-paz-al-via-nazionale-azzurra-pistard/
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    Re: Smaller Race Results and Discussion 2018
    « Reply #39 on: February 03, 2018, 13:17 »
    I was surprised to see that it is softer than the average Tour of Norway on the stage profiles. I thought these columbians only practiced on 90 degree slopes!

    #quickstep Gaviria (if recovered) wins everything!
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    Re: Smaller Race Results and Discussion 2018
    « Reply #40 on: February 06, 2018, 18:22 »
    https://twitter.com/CiclismoInter/status/960933244676997120

    Big gap left by the Agrupacion Virgen De Fatima(?) rider. Molano did well to stay in Gaviria's wheel, but you feel the Quick-Step rider didn't even have to get out of third gear.

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    Re: Smaller Race Results and Discussion 2018
    « Reply #41 on: February 06, 2018, 19:14 »
    https://twitter.com/CiclismoInter/status/960933244676997120

    Big gap left by the Agrupacion Virgen De Fatima(?) rider. Molano did well to stay in Gaviria's wheel, but you feel the Quick-Step rider didn't even have to get out of third gear.

    Yeah, not much competition there. I saw a bit of it earlier on, seems not to be geo-restricted.
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    Re: Smaller Race Results and Discussion 2018
    « Reply #43 on: February 08, 2018, 19:16 »
    https://twitter.com/CiclismoInter/status/961669916427505664



    The only interesting thing from today's finish was that I found out the correct way of saying Hodeg. Not Hod-egg or Hoe-deg, but what sounded like Hotch or even Hodge, which got me thinking, is he a descendant of a Brit (a miner?) who went over to Colombia in the 19th century? Fast forward a few generations and Hodge has been misspelt at some point over the years, but retains the original pronunciation.
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    Re: Smaller Race Results and Discussion 2018
    « Reply #44 on: February 08, 2018, 20:18 »
    The only interesting thing from today's finish was that I found out the correct way of saying Hodeg. Not Hod-egg or Hoe-deg, but what sounded like Hotch or even Hodge
    :o
    When you look at the way(s) Colombians (and other Latin Americans) spell Brian, Stephen, Jonathan etc., nothing would surprise me.

    Also: We need (more) teams to make recordings of their riders pronouncing their own names!
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    Re: Smaller Race Results and Discussion 2018
    « Reply #45 on: February 08, 2018, 22:02 »
    #quickstep Gaviria (if recovered) wins everything!
    So far true  :D

    tomorrow as well?



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    Re: Smaller Race Results and Discussion 2018
    « Reply #46 on: February 08, 2018, 22:43 »
    :o
    When you look at the way(s) Colombians (and other Latin Americans) spell Brian, Stephen, Jonathan etc., nothing would surprise me.

    Also: We need (more) teams to make recordings of their riders pronouncing their own names!

    We have Rob Hatch for that.

    And Ben Airman.

    But I don’t know why he doesn’t say Moykle Maaathews gobber.
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    Re: Smaller Race Results and Discussion 2018
    « Reply #47 on: February 09, 2018, 01:53 »
    GA-VIR-IA, GA-VIR-IA!

    Yup. Should be an interesting season this year. Is Gaviria penciled in for the Giro, or TdF?

    I was surprised to see that it is softer than the average Tour of Norway on the stage profiles. I thought these columbians only practiced on 90 degree slopes!

    #quickstep Gaviria (if recovered) wins everything!

    Yeah! I was a bit surprised at the myself. It's a Columbian stage race! so WTF is up with the profile! Well, maybe that final climb on the last day is more than it looks like on the profile.
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    Re: Smaller Race Results and Discussion 2018
    « Reply #48 on: February 09, 2018, 08:27 »
    GA-VIR-IA, GA-VIR-IA!

    Yup. Should be an interesting season this year. Is Gaviria penciled in for the Giro, or TdF?

    Yeah! I was a bit surprised at the myself. It's a Columbian stage race! so WTF is up with the profile! Well, maybe that final climb on the last day is more than it looks like on the profile.

    Gaviria is riding the Tour as well as all the Classics including PR and RVV.
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    Re: Smaller Race Results and Discussion 2018
    « Reply #50 on: February 10, 2018, 20:13 »
    https://twitter.com/CiclismoaTope12/status/962409610853437441

    The organizers couldn't have scripted it better if they tried.

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    Re: Smaller Race Results and Discussion 2018
    « Reply #51 on: February 12, 2018, 18:53 »
    https://twitter.com/BrainOnWheels/status/962763798644953090



    A rather chaotic finale, but entertaining nonetheless. The sudden appearance of the, till then invisible, remainder of the break had me scratching my head for a bit. The teams weren't too sure what was happening either as some riders reported radios not working.



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