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Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2018-19
« Reply #420 on: January 18, 2019, 14:43 »

I spoke to Thwaites a couple of days ago. He has just had his place on the 8 man GB Olympic Podium road squad confirmed for another year, and returned from a training camp with prospective  GB riders for the 2019 Road Worlds. Bizarrely, he has no offers from any of the 43 teams in the top 2 divisions. That’s around 950 contracts, half of which will have been concluded in the last 6 months.
He seemed to recognise and accept that the very high levels of nationalism in the pro peloton meant that British domestiques, even those with strong performances at the sharp end of the Classics were somewhere between back of the queue and not in the queue.
There have been very substantial investments in UK sport over the last 15 years, of which cycling has been a major beneficiary. This has allowed the development of programs from talent identification through to elite performance and in turn, significant improvements in performance across all professional levels are evident. However, in no way is this reflected in the number of British pros in the top 2 divisions, where  riders only hold 4% of World Tour and 0.4% of Pro Conti contracts. In the current environment, until such time as genuinely British sponsors are found to fund British WT or PC teams, who exhibit similar nationalistic tendencies to the vast majority of the 43 WT and PC teams, then British pros, particularly domestiques, will suffer from what it says on their passport and continue to miss out on the opportunity to ride at the higher levels, even though their performances may merit it.

he found a team in the end:

#dimension Scott Thwaites --> #vitus Vitus Pro Cycling

https://vitusprocycling.com/blogs/news/scott-thwaites-joins-vitus-pro-cycling-team-powered-by-brother-uk
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    Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2018-19
    « Reply #421 on: January 21, 2019, 16:52 »
    the UCI is a bit late this year, but the lineups for (most of the) 113 continental teams can now be found on their website ;)

    https://www.uci.org/road/teams

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    Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2018-19
    « Reply #422 on: January 21, 2019, 18:24 »
    the UCI is a bit late this year, but the lineups for (most of the) 113 continental teams can now be found on their website ;)

    https://www.uci.org/road/teams
    Finally! :D

    CQranking lists 143 Continental teams - wait and see if and when the 30 'extra' ones get on the UCI website. :shh
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    Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2018-19
    « Reply #423 on: January 21, 2019, 19:11 »
    I compared the two lists:
    - the UCI has 14 teams that aren't on CQranking's list yet
    - CQranking has 45 teams that don't show up (yet) with the UCI

    The teams listed by CQranking, but not the UCI, include a.o. Arapahoe Resources-BMC (ex-Holowesko ProConti), Floyd's Pro Cycling, Metec-TKH, P&S Thüringen, Salcano Sakarya BB, Sangemini Trevigiani-MG.K Vis, Sporting/Tavira, Team Lotto-Kern Haus, Team Sapura Cycling, Team Wiggins Le Col, and Tirol Cycling Team.

    I think that many are simply still in the 'get all paperwork from team via national federation to UCI and have the UCI staff put it into the correct forms' stage and expect most, if not all, of them to be added in the coming days.
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    Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2018-19
    « Reply #424 on: January 21, 2019, 19:56 »
    Sporting/Tavira

    I think that many are simply still in the 'get all paperwork from team via national federation to UCI and have the UCI staff put it into the correct forms' stage and expect most, if not all, of them to be added in the coming days.

    They need to be quick. San Juan starts in a few days......in fact don't they have previous on this? Something stirring in the back of my mind says Noce missed out on riding for the Italian Nat team at San Juan due to a lack of paperwork from Sporting/Portuguese federation or summat.
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    Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2018-19
    « Reply #425 on: January 23, 2019, 15:54 »
    They need to be quick. San Juan starts in a few days...
    They made it! :D
    On the list as of today.

    The UCI list has grown to 133 Conti teams by now, with Sporting/Tavira and Team Wiggins Le Col just two among the (so far) 20 latecomers.
    The CQranking list is at 150 now, so there are still several left to register.
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    Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2018-19
    « Reply #426 on: January 25, 2019, 15:14 »
    #adria Josip Rumac --> #androni Androni Giocattoli-Sidermec

    http://www.cicloweb.it/2019/01/24/innesto-a-sorpresa-per-la-androni-giocattoli-sidermec-arriva-il-croato-josip-rumac/

    a bit of an odd transfer, especially looking at some other announcements this week, seeing strong Italian riders stranded at continental level:

    #sangemini Nicola Gaffurini --> #monkeytown Monkey Town - à Bloc CT
    #nippo Marco Tizza --> #amore Amore e Vita - Prodir
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    Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2018-19
    « Reply #427 on: January 25, 2019, 17:49 »
    a bit of an odd transfer, especially looking at some other announcements this week, seeing strong Italian riders stranded at continental level:
    My guess is that they couldn't find the rich uncle personal sponsor that Rumac had. ;)
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    Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2018-19
    « Reply #428 on: January 28, 2019, 10:02 »
    interesting that they [#elkov Elkov] mention the importance of the points in there. I wasn't aware of those "automatic invitations" tbh

    http://www.hkcycling.cz/novinky/clanek/326

    Yep, .2 only in Europe. Still, this means they can pick and choose between all .2 races.

    A clever team manager would now try to get into .1 races ... and if that doesn't work, they can still pick up the auto-invite for a .2 race that's held in the same week. :shh

    For [.2] events taking place between 16th March and 31st December, the organiser must invite the 3 first UCI continental teams in the rolling classification by team for the relevant continental circuit, on the second Sunday of January (based on new team rosters)

    The new Europe Tour rankings were released yesterday, and by the look of it, Elkov made it:

    17. #evopro EvoPro Racing (EVO) 1288.25pt
    18. #elkov ELKOV - AUTHOR (ELA) 1219.71pt
    19. #tarteletto TARTELETTO - ISOREX (TIS) 1204.0pt

    20. #leopard LEOPARD PRO CYCLING (LPC) 1181.0pt

    https://dataride.uci.ch/Results/iframe/RankingDetails/20?disciplineId=10&groupId=10&momentId=37502&disciplineSeasonId=132&rankingTypeId=2&categoryId=22&raceTypeId=0

    Without those 39 points from Schlegel (who was a late signing) they would have ended up behind Leopard though.
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    Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2018-19
    « Reply #429 on: January 29, 2019, 08:31 »
    a bit of an odd transfer, especially looking at some other announcements this week, seeing strong Italian riders stranded at continental level:

    #sangemini Nicola Gaffurini --> #monkeytown Monkey Town - à Bloc CT
    #nippo Marco Tizza --> #amore Amore e Vita - Prodir

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    #wilier Jacopo Mosca --> #damico d'Amico UM Tools

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    Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2018-19
    « Reply #430 on: February 26, 2019, 07:33 »
    Not sure if this will be approved by the forum as the hyped Colombian talent transfer of the year:

    #euskadi Sergio Higuita --> #ef
    effective from early May (Tour of California first race with the glorified late 80's multicolor jersey). There was an original plan for a transfer effective from July, but due to Higuita's good results it has been pushed forward.

    I guess it is kind of problematic in the sense that he lacks the success in Sibiu that is usually required for the Colombian hyped talent of the year approval?   :P

    From what I can read he started with #manzana Manzana-Postobon as an 18 year old. Last year he raced a lot in China instead of going to Romania as he should have done. With Manzana, he he scored a stage win in the Vuelta Asturias, and one in the Tour of Colombia last year.
    This year, he has done really well in Andalucia, finishing 2nd on the stage with the most climbing (but by taking the sprint in a small group finnishing long after winner #mitchelton Simon Yates.
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    « Reply #431 on: March 23, 2019, 06:50 »
    #fdj Kévin Geniets --> #groupama Groupama FDJ

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    « Reply #432 on: March 23, 2019, 07:00 »
    #fdj Kévin Geniets --> #groupama Groupama FDJ

    takes the place of Preidler, with immediate effect

    http://www.equipecycliste-groupama-fdj.fr/fr/actualites/kevin-geniets-integre-la-world-tour/
    The little Groupamas' kit smiley is #cgf # cgf though.
    #fdj # fdj is now used by the women's team. ;)
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    Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2018-19
    « Reply #434 on: April 15, 2019, 22:26 »
    Rumour in Norwegian press today, #uae Kristoff —>  #total from next year. Not sure if this is believable but Laukka has obviously been put to work looking for newopportunities for Aleksander, who isn’t happy as leadout for Gaviria.
    And Terpstra and Kristoff? Let’s say there is a history that they work together. It involves two vintages of the RVV and one victory, not bad at all.
    It seems likely there are discussions with other teams as well, #uae appears to be out of contention. So, let’s speculate, which teams could need a classics star with a stage race sprint option?

    • #katusha Katusha?
    • #sky Sky (/Ineos)
    • #lotto Lotto-Soudal
    • #astana Astana
    • #bahrain Bahrain-Merida

    Anyone else?
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    Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2018-19
    « Reply #435 on: April 16, 2019, 18:59 »
    I think a lot will depend on how flexible he is with his wish to ride the Tour de France.

    Co-leader in the Spring Classics, stage race sprinter and a lesser GT each year? Quite a few teams would be interested at the right price.

    Same as above, but a guaranteed TdF ride? The number is much reduced. In fact it could just be the newly wealthy Total as the Norwegian press think.

    Difficult to see any of those five listed above going for him if he's adamant about the Tour. Bahrain maybe if they can't get Viviani?

    Dimension Data could be an option (assuming that they are still WT of course), but I think they should be going all out for Bennett.
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    « Reply #436 on: April 16, 2019, 20:55 »
    I'd think #bahrain Bahrain is fine with developing Mohoric and maybe Cortina into real classic contenders. They can become a force in the future, so not sure they'd be too interested.

    On paper, #astana Astana lacks a rider like Kristoff indeed. But they seem to be very confident in Ballerini's abilities (not sure yes if that is justified) and for the Tour would probably prefer to line up a sprinter type of rider who can also work in the mountains (like Cort) again.

    Sky is Sky, and Katusha has everything they need with Politt now.

    So yeah... #total Total would probably be the best choice, if they step up to World Tour. Will this be announced early enough though?!
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    Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2018-19
    « Reply #437 on: April 16, 2019, 22:26 »
    ...
    Sky is Sky
    .....

    ...and they have one of the best lightweight classics riders, but he would like to turn into yet another GC contender (:() (Kwiatek) they have decent roleur type riders Rowe, Doull, Stannard and Moscon - they can all win something one day - but Kristoff would add the sprint finish to the team’s repertoire, and Sky needs that kind of tactical weapon to improve as a classics team. This could work for a year or 3, until the younger generation can stand the distance better.
    Sky is seen as very British by many, but they are also the most consistently Norwegian WT team with Norwegian DS for (some of) the classics, and they seem to always have at least  1 Norwegian rider on the team. I can’t see Kristoff not fitting in their classics squad if the Brits can accept him, but he won’t ride the Tour de France with a hand-picked sprint train for Sky. Which is why I think that won’t work for Kristoff.

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    « Reply #438 on: April 16, 2019, 22:35 »
    but he won’t ride the Tour de France with a hand-picked sprint train for Sky.

    he wouldn't ride it at all. Also Viviani never did, and he is probably a better sprinter than Kristoff.

    (back then Viviani wasn't as good as he is now obviously, but also Kristoff isn't as quick he was for example in 2014 anymore)
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    Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2018-19
    « Reply #439 on: April 16, 2019, 22:53 »
    Dimension Data could be an option (assuming that they are still WT of course), but I think they should be going all out for Bennett.

    I think you forget that getting Kristoff and Boasson Hagen to work for each other automatically will be rewarded with a Nobel’s peace price and promotion to Secretary General of the United Nations with immediate effect  :angel
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    Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2018-19
    « Reply #440 on: April 17, 2019, 16:15 »
    Kristoff is way too heavy for Sky.
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    Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2018-19
    « Reply #441 on: April 17, 2019, 22:15 »
    It seems likely there are discussions with other teams as well, #uae appears to be out of contention. So, let’s speculate, which teams could need a classics star with a stage race sprint option?
    #unox Uno-X? :lol

    Dimension Data could be an option (assuming that they are still WT of course), but I think they should be going all out for Bennett
    Which one, Sam or George?
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    Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2018-19
    « Reply #442 on: April 18, 2019, 08:20 »
    #unox Uno-X? :lol

    It doesn´t quite fit with their development goals, to put it that way  :) However, it might be possible with another PCT team.
    A rider like Kristoff can bring his own money (a strong sponsor) to boost a PCT team, like Cavendish did when bringing Deloitte to Dimension data. I could also see Jakob Fuglsang as capable of doing that. I guess if both of them went to #riwal that way, a TDF start in 2020 for that team would be highly likely, but it wouldn’t be #riwal as we know it.

    Realism suggest time is a bit short to build the necessary support organization in time for next year TDF, but... that is not the same as impossible :) Realism also suggests that none of the two Norse chiefs have the business mindset and charisma that binds mainstream media attention in the way which made the “step down to step up” move possible for Cavendish. A rainbow jersey and/or an olympic gold medal, both within reach of these riders, could fix a lot of that, but it comes too late, I think.

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    Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2018-19
    « Reply #443 on: April 19, 2019, 17:18 »
     Not a rider transfer, but I don't think anyone saw this one coming.
     A huge loss for Team Sky/Ineos as it is difficult to quantify how much influence this guy has had on BC over the years.

     #sky R Ellingworth  -->  #bahrain

    https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/latest-news/founding-member-team-sky-rod-ellingworth-will-leave-join-bahrain-merida-420708
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    Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2018-19
    « Reply #444 on: April 27, 2019, 20:12 »
    According to CN:

     #movistar Landa -->  #bahrain

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/landa-set-to-replace-nibali-as-bahrain-merida-leader/

    which makes

     #bahrain Nibali (both) -->  #trek

    an almost sure thing IMO.
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    « Reply #445 on: April 27, 2019, 23:36 »
    #sovac Davide Rebellin --> #meridiana Meridiana Kamen

    His first race will be the Tour of Albania, and he'll retire after the Italian Championships in June :o

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    Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2018-19
    « Reply #446 on: April 28, 2019, 11:37 »
    .....
    Dimension Data could be an option (assuming that they are still WT of course), but I think they should be going all out for Bennett.

    Bennett´s supposedly not riding any of the Grand Tours of importance for #bora this year, neither Giro nor the Tour. Taking into account that he´s the man with most WT wins for Bora, yep - more than Sagan, actually: this looks like an unhappy divorce already filed for, but not announced. The mass failure that is #dimension 2019 should really do everything they can to get a reliable delivery-man on board QUICKLY.

    EDIT: corrected a typo there...
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    Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2018-19
    « Reply #447 on: May 13, 2019, 10:15 »
    Bennett´s supposedly not riding any of the Grand Tours of importance for #bora this year, neither Giro nor the Tour. Taking into account that he´s the man with most WT wins for Bora, yep - more than Sagan, actually: this looks like an unhappy divorce already filed for, but not announced...]


    So Bennett in mid-season deal to Katusha to replace Kittel... sounds more probable than just possible?

    You shall go to the ball after all Mr Bennett...
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    Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2018-19
    « Reply #448 on: May 13, 2019, 14:53 »
    British Champion Connor Swift (Madison Genesis) rumoured to be moving there next week, Solid all round rider and rode well to take the British title, albeit a very weak field.

    Confirmed.

    https://twitter.com/Arkea_Samsic/status/1127919028255764481

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    « Reply #449 on: May 13, 2019, 15:07 »
    #champgb Connor Swift #madison --> #arkea (effective immediately)
    http://www.team-arkea-samsic.fr/en/connor-swift-court-desormais-arkea-samsic/

    His first race with them will be 4 Jours de Dunkerque, starting tomorrow. :cool
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