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Napoleon Games Cup (Halle Ingooigem)
« on: February 25, 2018, 12:28 »
Napoleon Games Cycling Cup

The Napoleon Cup goes into its 3rd season, with not many changes, compared to 2017:

February 27th      1.1      GP Samyn
March 4th      1.1      Dwars door West-Vlaanderen
May 20th      1.1      GP Marcel Kint
June 2nd      1.1      Carrefour market Heistse Pijl
June 15th      1.1      Dwars door het Hageland
June 19th      1.1      Halle-Ingooigem
September 14th      1.1      Koolskamp – Kampioenschap van Vlaanderen
September 16th      1.HC      GP Jef Scherens
September 22nd      1.1      Eurométropole
October 2nd      1.1      Binche-Chimay-Binche

Dwars door het Hageland was moved from August to June, GP Jef Scherens from August to September, and Handzame Classic was thrown out. It is replaced by the recently 1.1 upgraded GP Marcel Kint, formerly called "Grote Prijs van Zwevegem". This seems to be a fun race, while Handzame usually isn't particularly exciting anyway tbh, so it's probably for the better.

All races will be love on VTM and most likely also on Eurosport.
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    Le Samyn
    « Reply #1 on: February 25, 2018, 22:11 »
    Next race up is Le Samyn. Also known as the cobbles race that doen't use the same old Kwaremonts and Hellingen that we see several times a year anyway (in Flanders) , but actually takes place in Vallonia.

    Last year, this was the best cobbles race in mhy opinion. It had everything...bad weather, a very good parcours with a mean cobbles stretch ironically? called the Belle Vue repeated several times, and the final duel between #wanty Guillaume van Keirsbulck and newcomer #wallonie Alex Kirsch to top if off after a filling of attacks, attacks, attacks and attacks.



    I have just checked the weather forecast and it looks a little sketchy right now, there may not be conditions to race,  with daytime temperatures forecasted below 0 all day with a low of minus 6 degrees for the morning hours. These cobbles can't be raced with normal equipment if they are icy, so I expect a cancellation in that case.
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    Re: Le Samyn
    « Reply #2 on: February 26, 2018, 07:59 »
     Yes, I would agree that it was the best cobbles race of last season: a real brute, due to the foul weather conditions.
    Unfortunately, I also agree that last year's good weather fortune may well get paid off with the cancellation of this edition due to weather.
    As long as it stays dry, the race still has a chance to go ahead.
     
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    Re: Le Samyn
    « Reply #3 on: February 26, 2018, 08:13 »
    yeah, I guess it should be fine, there were freezing temperatures the past two days as well. And it's super dry.

    the provisional start list looks good, with plenty of attacking type of riders, #wanty van Keirsbulck, #ag2r Bagdonas, #quickstep Gilbert, Terpstra, Stybar & Senechal (when did he end up there?!), #lotto Tosh & Keukeleire, #cofidis Claeys, #direct Gaudin & Petit, #roompot Ligthart, #verandas de Bie, #vital le Bon, #wallonie Kirsch and so on. Let's hope Quickstep doesn't destroy the race though, they look far superior.
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    Re: Le Samyn
    « Reply #4 on: February 26, 2018, 09:10 »
     If anybody missed last year, has a spare hour or so and is wondering why we think it was such a great race, here it is. I might have to watch this again, in anticipation of tomorrow.

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    Re: Le Samyn
    « Reply #5 on: February 26, 2018, 09:47 »
    All my posts this morning seem to be following on from each other ...  :P

    Now Le Samyn used to be pretty dull. Some of you will remember that crappy finishing circuit on a broad highway that seemed to have a lot in common with an airport runway.

    Nowadays though we have a tough, selective finale and winners who reflect that. It only adds to the legend of the race that it runs through one of this bit of the country, where in every town it still looks like 1950.
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    Re: Le Samyn
    « Reply #6 on: February 26, 2018, 22:25 »
    Gougeard and Big Stijn Vandenbergh added to the start list for #ag2r Ag2R! Very nice :win

    I absolute love it that the hardest part of the route is called "Rue de Belle Vue" by the way. I certainly like that "view" ;D

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    Re: Le Samyn
    « Reply #8 on: February 27, 2018, 11:31 »
    Should think so. Blazing sunshine here although I haven't dared step outside yet. :lol

    Wind is strong, same easterly Siberian as made the weekend races tough. This will continue until the weekend when there will be a "thaw" and the usual rains will return.
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    Re: Le Samyn
    « Reply #9 on: February 27, 2018, 11:33 »
    Gougeard and Big Stijn Vandenbergh added to the start list for #ag2r Ag2R! Very nice :win

    I absolute love it that the hardest part of the route is called "Rue de Belle Vue" by the way. I certainly like that "view" ;D
     . . .
    Yowzah! Gonna be some selecting going on there!
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    Re: Le Samyn
    « Reply #10 on: February 27, 2018, 16:50 »
    A #quickstep line-up as strong as today's has been no guarantee of success in seasons past, for tactical top-heaviness rather than a lack of strength. That was not the case today with Gilbert and 2016 winner Terpstra, who depended on the effectiveness of every other member of the self-styled wolfpack to put them in what was surely an unbeatable position.

    I'm not sure Gilbert was happy with the outcome. He blamed the cold and sore eyes for leaving the podium rather early and avoiding more than a perfunctory response to the TV interviewer but there wasn't much warmth there either for Terpstra, who perhaps had flipped the script in the final scene. Ah well, there's no "I" in "team" but there are two in "Niki"...  :P

    And credit where it's due to a resurgent Damien Gaudin, whose standout season last year earned him redeployment to #direct right before the balloon went up at #armee. The QS sandwich was indigestible but the team will be satisfied with 3rd, 4th and 10th.

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    Re: Le Samyn
    « Reply #11 on: February 27, 2018, 17:51 »
    And credit where it's due to a resurgent Damien Gaudin, whose standout season last year earned him redeployment to #direct right before the balloon went up at #armee.

    indeed, especially as he was still a leftover from the early breakaway. Neither of his six companions Devriendt, Jauregui, Pedersen, Six, le Bon or Daniel even managed to finish the race
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    Re: Le Samyn
    « Reply #12 on: February 27, 2018, 18:20 »
    Ah well, there's no "I" in "team" but there are two in "Niki"...  :P
    It has won him a Monument before. ;)
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    Re: Le Samyn
    « Reply #13 on: February 27, 2018, 20:03 »
    I'm not sure Gilbert was happy with the outcome. He blamed the cold and sore eyes for leaving the podium rather early and avoiding more than a perfunctory response to the TV interviewer but there wasn't much warmth there either for Terpstra, who perhaps had flipped the script in the final scene. Ah well, there's no "I" in "team" but there are two in "Niki"...  :P

    I have a different theory: didn't you see Philippe had forgotten his gloves today? It must have been bitterly cold. I think if his mother saw him on the TV she'd be mad and show up at the racecourse with an extra pair: "Philippe! put them on, or no more racing for your today! You'll catch a cold and miss out on de Ronde!"
    Niki was a good boy and remembered his gloves. :D

    Joking aside, Terpstra and Gilbert must cooperate - they are the #quickstep monument men (add Alaphilippe after L-B-L  :shh). Terpstra has a roubaix cobble on the mantelpiece and Gilbert wants one. Gilbert has the flemish cycling ironman trophy (does that have a name?)  and wants a Roubaix cobble. They need each other's help and the Samyn can't matter too much for any of them. It is a training run for those that want to win the Paris - Roubaix.

    The race itself was actually better without these top riders.  :-x



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    Re: Le Samyn
    « Reply #14 on: February 28, 2018, 02:00 »
    I have a different theory: didn't you see Philippe had forgotten his gloves today? It must have been bitterly cold.  . . .They need each other's help and the Samyn can't matter too much for any of them. . . .
    Terpstra passed the two and dropped Gaudin at about 16K out. I checked the temps early in the race - it was listed as 28 F  (-2 C). When Terpstra passed, PhilGil had a good shot at taking Terpstra's wheel, but he chose to drop back and draft Gaudin. Maybe Niki had a bad case of gas. At those temps my hands would have been completely frozen and useless.

    Otherwise, I would have thot it was intentional - give Niki Le Samyn, and leave PG for the monument.

    But PG was having a bad day, for sure. I never did figure out why he wanted a bike change. Did he say anything about it afterwards?
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    Re: Le Samyn
    « Reply #15 on: February 28, 2018, 10:35 »
    But PG was having a bad day, for sure. I never did figure out why he wanted a bike change. Did he say anything about it afterwards?

    He was riding a bike set up for Paris-Roubaix and perhaps something was loose, like the stem. Whatever it was couldn't be resolved easily by a neutral service car anyway.
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    Re: Le Samyn
    « Reply #16 on: March 01, 2018, 07:22 »
    its interesting.

    I was looking up his calender earlier - Phil is skipping RvV this year.   Focussing on the 2 monuments he doesnt have ... MSR and then Roubaix. 

    I am thinking him and Nikki T have come to an arrangement there ...
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    Re: Le Samyn
    « Reply #17 on: March 01, 2018, 10:52 »
    its interesting.

    I was looking up his calender earlier - Phil is skipping RvV this year.   Focussing on the 2 monuments he doesnt have ... MSR and then Roubaix. 

    I am thinking him and Nikki T have come to an arrangement there ...

    Probably. And if you are targeting PR almost exclusively it would be stupid to antagonise one of your best support riders who, on a good day, could probably win it (again) himself.

    Gilbert has been around long enough to look after himself. Which might be, I suppose, getting to the warmth of the bus as quickly as possible, and getting an eye wash.
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    « Reply #18 on: March 01, 2018, 10:56 »
    well, Gilbert has done Paris - Roubaix only once, 11 years ago, finishing 52nd. So I guess the best he can hope for is a "free role" anyway, no matter his success elsewhere
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    Re: Napoleon Games Cup
    « Reply #19 on: March 02, 2018, 08:17 »
    I have turned this into a Napoleon thread



    next race is "Dwars door West-Vlaanderen" on Wedesday
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    Re: Napoleon Games Cup
    « Reply #20 on: March 02, 2018, 09:40 »
    I was reading a feature story about Napoleon Games this morning, not related to our sport but rather alleged dirty deeds in its business activities, specifically in competition for a long-term contract of massive value against its biggest rival Golden Palace. Both of these companies sponsor Belgian cycling.

    https://www.hln.be/nieuws/binnenland/in-het-casino-van-middelkerke-lijkt-niet-alleen-gegokt-maar-ook-gesjoemeld-te-worden~a2a0b5ed/ (NL)
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    next race is "Dwars door West-Vlaanderen" on Wedesday

    it's actually tomorrow :fp

    Dwars door West-Vlaanderen - Johan Musseuw Classics

    Sunday, March 4th

    Formerly run as the Driedaagse van West-Vlaanderen this is only the second time the race is held as a one day race. In 2017 it was won by Jos van Emden, on more or less the same parcours as last year, featuring a challenging finishing circuit including the Keibert and Catteberg hellingen, as well as the cobbled Lookhuisstraat and Fonteinstraat. Last year only 30 riders made it to the finish.


    ~pdf roadbook

    The ~pdf provisional entry list doesn't exactly scream "wow", but with #quickstep Senechal, #lotto Hofland and Lawrence Naesen, #vital Coquard, #cofidis Claeys & Vanbilsen, #wanty Offredo & van Keirsbulck, #direct Petit, #wallonie Kirsch, #ccc Kump or #roompot Ligthart there are some decent names on there to animate the race. Last year's winning team #jumbo Lotto NL Jumbo is not around this time, but t-72 will enjoy to see his pals from #joker Joker Icopal and L'arri can be happy to finally witness the beginning of #gazprom Sergey Lagutin's classic domination.

    The race is live on VTM on from 15:25cet. That's it, as far as I can see
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    same as in le Samyn a couple of days ago, #quickstep - although lining up without their star riders this time - turned out to be by far the strongest team, taking another 1-2 victory today:



    there's a re-live available on VTM's website (after a quick registration)
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    I always regretted that Sénéchal didn't start his career at #quickstep. He was, after all, in the Etixx feeder team, a nordiste, possessing a fairly atypical profile for a French rider: heavy, taciturn, handy on the cobbles. He didn't do much in four seasons at #cofidis - who does? - and seemed totally irrelevant beyond April.

    I was rooting for him yesterday. Now Cavagna is a good prospect, in his own way, but he doesn't much like the cobbles and makes no big secret about that. Sénéchal however looks like he was born in a muddy field under heavy rain and seemed stronger than his teammate in the finale.

    The same moment from Le Samyn reproduced itself in Ichtegem: two 'Steppers deciding how to deny a third party rival in the crucial breakaway. Like Gilbert last week, Cavagna tried his luck first but unlike the former, he was not to be caught again by The Younger Frison.

    And The Younger Frison, I think, deserved some criticism for allowing the situation to play out that way. His was surely a mistake of inexperience but it cost him any chance of winning.

    Putting the hammer down on a cobbled section of the final circuit, the #lotto man actually succeeding in dropping Cavagna. With a 50-second advantage and about 10km left to race, Sénéchal decided not to collaborate temporarily just to see if his colleague could get back on. That was The Younger Frison's cue to ride on, press the advantage and considerably narrow the odds of victory. But instead The Younger Frison bizarrely joined Sénéchal in sitting up until Cavagna made contact again, which he did and promptly attacked for the win.
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    Re: Napoleon Games Cup (Nokere Koerse)
    « Reply #24 on: March 13, 2018, 15:51 »
    Danilith Nokere Koerse

    Wednesday, March 14th

    Not part of the Napoleon Cup, but I'll just put it in here anyway.


    The course was adjusted a bit, adding the 1800m cobbled section Huisepontweg to the finishing circuit with just ~6k to go. It was re-paved in 2008 unfortunately (well, after it became too rough to use it in the Ronde anymore, to be fair :P), and the weather looks fine, so it won't be super tough, but may spice things up a bit.


    2016 winner #wanty Timothy Dupont said 9 out of 10 times the race should still end up in a sprint up the Nokereberg though


    But the ~pdf start list looks good, and guys like #verandas van Aert & de Bie, #sky Rowe, #sunweb Theuns, #quickstep Senechal, #direct Gaudin & Petit, #wallonie Kirsch, #lotto Frison, #wanty Offredo & van Keirsbulck will have different ideas about the outcome of the race.

    The race is live on Eurosport at 15:00 cet tomorrow
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    Re: Napoleon Games Cup (Nokere Koerse)
    « Reply #25 on: March 14, 2018, 07:02 »
    Nokere used to be a hard man's race, rather like the erstwhile Het Volk (now OHN), where the bigs would turn up but dependable doms invariably got their opportunity to shine.

    In recent years, with the elevation of OHN to WT status, the collectivity of Napoleon Games Cup (both of which I approve) and the curse of novelty as a desperate necessity, that epithet seems to have passed to Dwars door Vlaanderen.

    That's not to say that the race has slid into irrelevance for instead it has become a veritable festival of talentspotting, a spotlight for future stars and perhaps a few riders unjustly stuck at CT level.

    As Uncle Search points out above, there have been a few changes ahead of this edition to prevent the inevitability of an uphill bunch sprint (as has become the tedious tradition) and that should make things interesting, so I'll certainly be recording it for viewing later.
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    Re: Napoleon Games Cup (GP Marcel Kint)
    « Reply #26 on: May 28, 2018, 08:54 »
    we missed one the other week. Bouhanni first crashed and then won the sprint. He seems to like to do that at this time of the year



    He took it by quite a margin. It wasn't exactly a first class sprint competition though

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    Re: Napoleon Games Cup (Heistse Pijl)
    « Reply #27 on: May 28, 2018, 09:21 »
    Heylen Vastgoed Heistse Pijl

    Saturday, June 2nd

    Next one up is Heistse Pijl on Saturday. The profile seems to be the same as usual, with a couple of laps on this circuit in the end



    The most likely outcome is some kind of sprint, although it turned out be a pretty selective race last year. In honor of Michael Goolaerts there also a special fighting price. Points for that are handed out to the top 3 on the climb on lap 2, 4 and 6.

    The startlist should be alright, with following teams taking part:
    • #lotto Lotto-Soudal (bel)
    • #roompot Roompot-Nederlandse Loterij (ned)
    • #topsport Sport Vlaanderen-Baloise (bel)
    • #verandas Veranda's Willems-Crelan (bel)
    • #wanty Wanty-GroupeGobert (bel)
    • #wallonie WB Aqua Protect Veranclassic (bel)
    • #cibel Cibel -Cebon (bel)
    • #pauwels Pauwels Sauzen-Vastgoedservice (bel)
    • #seg SEG Racing (ned)
    • #telenet Telenet Fidea Lions (bel)
    • #tarteletto Tarteletto-Isorex-SH (bel)
    • #onepro One Pro Cycling (GBR)
    • #beat Beat Cycling Team (ned)
    • #bennelong Bennelong SwissWellness (aus)
    • #ccb CCB Foundation - SicieriC (usa)
    • #coop Team Coop (nor)
    • #gusto Start Team Gusto (bol)
    • #vlasman Vlasman Cycling Team (ned)
    • #sovac Sovac-Natura4ever (alg)
    • #pcw T.Palm PCW (bel)
    • #differdange Team Differdange-Losch (lux)
    It's live on VTM, and maybe also on Eurosport (or on the ES Player at least)
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    Re: Napoleon Games Cup (Heistse Pijl)
    « Reply #28 on: June 16, 2018, 18:22 »


     :)
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    Re: Napoleon Games Cup (Halle Ingooigem)
    « Reply #29 on: June 18, 2018, 11:40 »
    next round tomorrow:

    Halle Ingooigem

    Tuesday, June 19th


    Last year this ended up in a big sprint won by Arnaud Demare, and as most prominent names on the provisional start list are quick guys, like #lotto Debusschere, #quickstep Jakobsen, #jumbo van Poppel, #cofidis Hofsteltter, #aquablue Blythe, #teambe Stuyven & van Asbroeck or #wanty Dupont, a similar outcome doesn't seem to be too unlikely.

    The race is live on VTM and also on (British) ES 2
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