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Who will win PR ?

Greg van Avermaet
1 (3.6%)
Peter Sagan
2 (7.1%)
Phillipe Gilbert
5 (17.9%)
Nikki Terpstra
1 (3.6%)
Zdenek Stybar
11 (39.3%)
Sep van Marcke
0 (0%)
Jasper Stuyven
0 (0%)
John Degenkolb
1 (3.6%)
Alexander Kristoff
1 (3.6%)
Luke Rowe
0 (0%)
Wout van Aert
1 (3.6%)
Oliver Naeson
1 (3.6%)
Arnead Demare
1 (3.6%)
Other
3 (10.7%)

Total Members Voted: 28

Voting closed: April 08, 2018, 11:54


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Re: 2018 Paris Roubaix
« Reply #30 on: April 08, 2018, 09:08 »
What about Wiggans?  He was top 10 in his first participation .... or had he ridden it quite a few years ago?


anyway -

(Take away stars from van Aert, Gilbert, give to Stybar  :D ).


wash your mouth out !!!!! 
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    Re: 2018 Paris Roubaix
    « Reply #31 on: April 08, 2018, 09:27 »
    What about Wiggans?  He was top 10 in his first participation .... or had he ridden it quite a few years ago?

    he did it three times (49-25-90) before coming 9th in 2014
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    Re: 2018 Paris Roubaix
    « Reply #32 on: April 08, 2018, 13:43 »
    I tried to improve the map of the cobbled sectors , just because  :)

    The secteurs are color coded according to difficulty (star rating) + added a few key names for reference.



    Pay attention to the Saint-Python and Querenaing areas, before the Arenberg. These are two areas of many intermediate difficulty cobbled sections with little space in between them. To the riders they will feel more like two long cobbled sections with short rest points. If you rate the cobbles on difficulty*length instead if difficulty alone, these areas score higher than the Arenberg(!)

    If you see #mitchelton Matt Hayman sneaking away on one of these sections :-x ...it's his last lap! He's the most experienced rider here now, and he won one of the most exciting vintages of the last few years, on the velodrome! Be warned!

    Map getting famous velorooms tweeted it earlier this week now getting tweeted
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    Re: 2018 Paris Roubaix
    « Reply #33 on: April 08, 2018, 15:44 »
    Boring race this year.
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    Re: 2018 Paris Roubaix
    « Reply #34 on: April 08, 2018, 16:40 »
    Boring race this year.

    If you think that was boring, I wouldn't waste time watching the next fortnight's races.
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    Re: 2018 Paris Roubaix
    « Reply #37 on: April 08, 2018, 21:20 »
    Time for a wrap-up post:
    First the official results:


    Just updated my statistics with the results of those we thought were the favorites + this year's top 10 performers not mentioned. The general conclusion is still valid. To win the P-R you need to qualify in the P-R.
    • at least a handful of P-R starts before winning (This was Sagan's 6th attempt).
    • at least one  previous top 10.

    Applying these rules, riders that made top 10 for the first time this year are added to the list of potential winners for 2019 and on. This includes:
    • #ag2r Silvan Dillier
    • #katusha Nils Politt
    • #ef Taylor Phinney

    Others notably on the way up, but not ready for first place yet (get that top-10 first):
    • #sunweb Mike Theunissen
    • #quickstep Philippe Gilbert
    • #verandas  Wout van Aert
    • #ag2r Oliver Naesen
    • #lotto Jelle Wallays
    • #jumbo Amund Grøndal Jansen

    I think most of the big disappointments disappointed due to falling, except maybe Arnaud Demare who seemed to be out of shape. Aleksander Kristoff also looked like Demare in the early cobbled sectors and explained in post-race interviews that the mud on the first sector was sticking to his frame, rubbing on his tires and eventually caused his back tire to explode. Maybe Demare had similar issues.

    And then #sky Gianni Moscon... lost his mojo or what?
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    Re: 2018 Paris Roubaix
    « Reply #38 on: April 08, 2018, 21:37 »
    And then #sky Gianni Moscon... lost his mojo or what?

    and a bit of skin



    not sure if that happened in the crash early on or if there was another one
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    Re: 2018 Paris Roubaix
    « Reply #39 on: April 08, 2018, 21:42 »
    Great edition, really pleased for Dillier he deserved to get something out of that and knew by committing to Sagan fully was his best bet.
    Talking of bets Thomas crashed. I should have bet my mortgage on that.
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    Re: 2018 Paris Roubaix
    « Reply #40 on: April 08, 2018, 21:42 »
    ok, I didn't notice Moscon crashing, so we can add him to list of favorites falling behind due to crashes. He still has his top-10 in the bag and will be back for another chance next year. From my list (now last 16 years) there are no-one winning before 4th attempt, so still too early for him.
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    Re: 2018 Paris Roubaix
    « Reply #41 on: April 08, 2018, 22:21 »
    Great edition, really pleased for Dillier he deserved to get something out of that and knew by committing to Sagan fully was his best bet.
    Talking of bets Thomas crashed. I should have bet my mortgage on that.

    Plus Luke Rowe got taken out.
    Only goes to show that Hell is no place for a Welshman. :D
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    Re: 2018 Paris Roubaix
    « Reply #42 on: April 08, 2018, 22:36 »
    About Rowe + Kristoff + Martin falling, Kristoff is more or less echoing what the #fdj riders said about Martin after the crash of Duchesne in RvV. Now Kristoff is in a way very polite because he always answers requests for interviews but he isn't the born diplomat to start with, and if he have just pedaled 250 km + to a great disappointment, he is even less of a diplomat: Still blaiming Martin for the crash...
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    Re: 2018 Paris Roubaix
    « Reply #43 on: April 08, 2018, 22:45 »
    I may need to have another look at it, but wasn't it Terpstra (or another Quickstep riding guy a "wave" from left to right) who caused the crash?

    edit: yep

    https://video.eurosport.com/cycling/paris-roubaix/2018/kristoff-martin-rowe.-all-on-the-ground-peloton-rocked-by-big-crash_vid1079940/video.shtml
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    Re: 2018 Paris Roubaix
    « Reply #44 on: April 08, 2018, 23:07 »
    Sadly, tragically, the news is the worst.  :(

    https://twitter.com/Snipercycling/status/983095274720649216

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    Re: 2018 Paris Roubaix
    « Reply #45 on: April 09, 2018, 00:39 »
     :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(
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    Re: 2018 Paris Roubaix
    « Reply #46 on: April 09, 2018, 01:19 »
    If you think that was boring, I wouldn't waste time watching the next fortnight's races.
    Ah, MV, I caught you sneakin' that yawn in about the last 10k! 

    Time for a wrap-up post:
     . . .
    Just updated my statistics with the results of those we thought were the favorites + this year's top 10 performers not mentioned. The general conclusion is still valid. To win the P-R you need to qualify in the P-R.
    • at least a handful of P-R starts before winning (This was Sagan's 6th attempt).
    • at least one  previous top 10.

    Applying these rules, riders that made top 10 for the first time this year are added to the list of potential winners for 2019 and on. This includes:
    • #ag2r Silvan Dillier
    • #katusha Nils Politt
    • #ef Taylor Phinney
    . . .


    Great edition, really pleased for Dillier he deserved to get something out of that and knew by committing to Sagan fully was his best bet.
    Talking of bets Thomas crashed. I should have bet my mortgage on that.

    Yep, G Thomas crashed. That's safe enough you wouldn't get good odds.

    Dillier, another Pederson newb surprise. Wasn't even slated to ride a couple weeks ago. Called in as replacement. Their DS must be thanking his lucky stars. Great ride, AND he was only two bike lengths away from spoiling your stats! And Phinney showing some real strength for the first time in a long while. Good on him.

    I think Sagan showed us something of his full potential today. That was one hell of a ride. I know AG isn't happy with his win, and neither will be Echoes. But it was great. He slammed away on the front for a good part of 20 km before Dillier came through. Worked out well though. Grand ride by Sagan.

    He learned from pinch-gate, maybe he'll learn from complaint-gate. I am optimistic.

    Entirely tragic for Goolaerts, his team and family. Only 22. They will be gutted.
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    Re: 2018 Paris Roubaix
    « Reply #47 on: April 09, 2018, 04:21 »
    RIP Michael Goolaerts
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    Re: 2018 Paris Roubaix
    « Reply #48 on: April 09, 2018, 07:17 »
    About the Martin, Rowe, Kristoff fall and who to blame - that is now, in perspective, a rather trivial and pointless discussion. The news of Goolaerts` death, while not completely unexpected the way things yesterday played out, are tragic. My condolences to his family, friends and his team.  :(
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    « Reply #49 on: April 09, 2018, 07:46 »
    yes, another tragic loss. May he rest in peace.

    The way I understood it yesterday he had a heart attack on the bike - is that correct? Most mass media seems to have picked it up in the way that he died due to the consequences of the crash.
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    Re: 2018 Paris Roubaix
    « Reply #50 on: April 09, 2018, 07:58 »
    I have no idea what happened except cardiac arrest. Details will probably be given at a later stage, and that will be a better time to discuss what can be learned from this. For now,  :(
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    Re: 2018 Paris Roubaix
    « Reply #51 on: April 09, 2018, 10:28 »
    RIP Michael :(
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    Re: 2018 Paris Roubaix
    « Reply #52 on: April 09, 2018, 14:41 »
    yes, another tragic loss. May he rest in peace.

    The way I understood it yesterday he had a heart attack on the bike - is that correct? Most mass media seems to have picked it up in the way that he died due to the consequences of the crash.
    Definitely, RIP Michael Goolaerts.
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    Re: 2018 Paris Roubaix
    « Reply #53 on: April 09, 2018, 17:12 »
    One of those cycling days when it really doesn't matter what else happend. flipping awful.
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    Re: 2018 Paris Roubaix
    « Reply #54 on: April 09, 2018, 20:22 »
    Sad, another loss. RIP Michael Goolaerts.
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    Re: 2018 Paris Roubaix
    « Reply #55 on: April 09, 2018, 22:18 »
    On a lighter note...

    Terpstra checking Sagan's tyre pressure

    https://www.instagram.com/p/BhUseS_F6sP/?explore=true


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    Re: 2018 Paris Roubaix
    « Reply #56 on: April 09, 2018, 23:01 »
    On a lighter note...

    Terpstra checking Sagan's tyre pressure

    https://www.instagram.com/p/BhUseS_F6sP/?explore=true



    :lol
    And a quick wheel check, making sure they didn't have those self-spinning bearings, I'm sure!
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    Re: 2018 Paris Roubaix
    « Reply #57 on: April 10, 2018, 01:09 »
    One of those cycling days when it really doesn't matter what else happend. flipping awful.

    yep that.

    I havent even commented on the race to be honest ...
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    Re: 2018 Paris Roubaix
    « Reply #58 on: April 10, 2018, 08:09 »
    I don't really know why, but somehow I feel it's more difficult to cope with a fatal race incident. It's sad of course to see such a young person die, but the way it looks like (although the autopsy is still to come) this probably could have happened any day, also in training, so for me personally I somehow see it pretty unrelated to the race itself.

    Now that it did happen in the biggest classic there is though, let's hope it will lead to some changes in regards of steady medical observation, heart disease screenings and so on at least.

    edit: Cyclingtips had a piece about heart problems in pro cycling a while ago

    https://cyclingtips.com/2017/01/are-elite-cyclists-at-greater-risk-of-heart-problems/

    edit 2: ok, an annual heart test is mandatory already for WT and PCT riders. I didn't know

    http://www.uci.ch/mm/Document/News/CleanSport/16/76/80/ProgrammeofobligatoryMM2013ROADE_English.pdf
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    Re: 2018 Paris Roubaix
    « Reply #59 on: April 10, 2018, 10:48 »
    I didnt know that.

    I do know what you mean though.  The accident of Weyland in the Giro, and the moto accident 2 yrs ago I found very confronting. 


    Anyway - the race.

    Well done to Peter Sagan.  He found a way to beat Quickstep, and did it exceptionally well.  If you cant defend - attack.

    It was a good race, everyone gave as much as they had.   Sep VanMarcke's account was very honest - he just didnt have the legs.

    Phil too admitted that he simply cracked ...

    he should have done the race last year when he was flying - just for the experience.
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