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The Spring Roundup
« on: April 22, 2018, 20:56 »
So, the riders have made it all the way back to Liege to bring an end to our spring season. Seems like the perfect time to discuss the spring classics as a whole.

There were a few major themes: QuickStep's dominance, Sagan's stubborness, the unwieldy Lotto trident, 7-man teams.
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    Re: The Spring Roundup
    « Reply #1 on: April 22, 2018, 21:12 »
    I assume we are talking about the spring classics and we can forget the stage races for a while still?
    In that case:

    I didn't see Quickstep so dominant:
    • not in the Omloop
    • not in Milano-SanRemo
    • not in Paris-Roubaix
    • not in Amstel Gold
    • not in the Strade Bianche
    • not in the Gent-Wevelgem
    They won a lot of minor and medium races, but only two REALLY BIG ONES:
    • the Ronde van Vlaanderen
    • the Liege-Bastogne-Liege
    (and... to my surprise.... that is the FIRST Liege-Bastogne-Liege victory for that team?)
    • and then the E3 HaRelbeke
    • and the Dwars Doors Vlaanderen too
    • oh, and the Fleche Wallone
    but the three last ones are not that big, are they?  :slow

    Sure, Quickstep wasa factor in all races , just like Sky always is a factor in the GTs, but they have not been unbeatable and especially not unbeatable in the most important races - they rack up wins like no other team, but that is what you get when you put a team with multi-monument men like Terpstra and Gilbert against ordinary good racers like #direct Damien Gaudin in a small lovely race like Le Samyn. In these races, the other WT teams don't have a strong presence and yet they somehow bolster the image that #quickstep is dominant.

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    Re: The Spring Roundup
    « Reply #2 on: April 22, 2018, 21:19 »
    For my own amusement, and to aid the discussion I made a small ranking for the spring, looking at top-10s in the European 1.WTs, 1.HCs and selected 1.1s. I categorised the races from 5 through to 1, and gave points accordingly.

    Team rankings

    RankTeamPoints
    1Quickstep8970
    2Bora-Hansgrohe3570
    3Lotto Soudal3135
    4Bahrain-Merida2890
    5Trek2290
    6Ag2r-La Mondiale2260
    7Michelton-Scott2210
    8Astana2080
    9EF-Drapac1740
    10BMC1700
    11Movistar1330
    12Cofidis1080
    13Groupama-FDJ960
    14Sunweb940
    15Verandas Willems860
    16Sky830
    17Katusha-Alpecin640
    18Wanty Group Gobert580
    19Sport Vlaanderen560
    20CCC Sprandi440
    21UAE-Abu Dhabi400
    22Direct Energie380
    23WB Veranclassic370
    24Aqua Blue Sport235
    25Nippo230
    26Androni-Sidermec220
    27Israel Cycling Academy210
    27Vital Concept210
    29Hagens Berman Axeon200
    30Fortuneo180
    31Dimension Data160
    32Cibel-Cebon155
    33Delko Marseille150
    33Euskadi150
    35Lotto-Jumbo120
    36Roompot110
    37Caja Rural100
    37Tarteletto - Isorex100
    37Wilier-Triestina100
    40Joker-Icopal70
    41Alecto Cyclingteam60
    41Virtu60
    43Monkey Town40
    43Vorarlberg40
    45Lokosphinx20
    45Trevigiani Phonix20
    45Vlasman20

    QuickStep predictably dominant, picking up more than twice the points of their nearest rivals Bora. Strong showings for Lotto and Bahrain, rewarding fairly active springs for each of them. Trek, Ag2r, Michelton-Scott and Astana then grouped fairly close together from 5 to 8.

    BMC, Groupama and Sunweb would each have wanted a bit more, while Katusha and Sky have got to be disappointed in their showings. Poor form and poor luck see UAE way off the pace, while Dimension Data have had a very thin spring. The last of the WT teams is LottoNL-Jumbo, who sit below Euskadi and just above domestic rivals Roompot; no way around it, an awful spring for them.

    Best placed Pro Conti team was Cofidis by some way, followed by Verandas Willems with a few more teams a little way back.

    Rider top 40

    RankRiderTeamPoints
    1PeterSaganBOH2560
    2NikiTerpstraQST2360
    3MichaelValgrenAST1400
    4TiesjBenootLTS1340
    5GregVan AvarmaetBMC1190
    6JasperStuyvenTFS1170
    7JulianAlaphilippeQST1150
    8AlejandroValverdeMOV1130
    9BobJungelsQST1050
    10VincenzoNibaliTBM1000
    11RomainBardetALM950
    12ArnaudDemareGFC860
    12PhilippeGilbertQST860
    14SepVanmarckeEFD850
    15CalebEwanMTS800
    15RomanKreuzigerMTS800
    17MadsPedersenTFS740
    18TimWellensLTS730
    18ZdenekStybarQST730
    20FabioJakobsenQST680
    21EliaVivianiQST660
    22SylvainDillierALM600
    22MichaelWoodsEFD600
    22EnricoGasparottoTBM600
    25JensDebusschereLTS575
    26PascalAckermannBOH520
    27WoutVan AertVWC510
    28OliverNaesenALM480
    29SonnyColbrelliTBM470
    30MichaelMatthewsSUN460
    31HugoHofstetterCOF440
    31CristopheLaporteCOF440
    33YvesLampaertQST400
    33AlexanderKristoffUAD400
    35JelleVanendertLTS360
    36JurgenRoelandtsBMC350
    36DomenicoPozzovivoTBM350
    38PieterSerryQST320
    39JakobFuglsangAST280
    40GiovanniViscontiTBM270


    On the rider front, Sagan pips Terpstra to the post. Valgren's two big results lift him into the picture, while a consistent spring capped by a fine Strade Bianche win lifts Benoot into 4th place. Consistency from Van Avarmaet and Stuyven lift them into decent places despite unspectacular springs, with Alaphillipe and Valverde leading the purer puncheurs a little way back after a very open Ardennes week. Monument wins for Jungels and Nibali mean they round out the top 10.

    PlaceCat 5Cat 4Cat 3Cat 2Cat 1
    12003004006001000
    2120180240360600
    3100150200300500
    480120160240400
    570105140210350
    66090120180300
    75075100150250
    8406080120200
    930456090150
    1020304060100

    The points scale used.

    RaceCategory
    Murcia5
    Laigueglia5
    Almeria5
    Omloop3
    KBK4
    Le Samyn5
    Strade Bianche2
    Industria5
    West Flanders5
    Drenthe5
    Nokere5
    Handzame5
    MSR1
    Denain5
    De Panne4
    E32
    GW2
    DDV3
    Indurain5
    Ronde1
    Scheldeprijs3
    Roubaix1
    Brabantse3
    Tro Bro5
    AGR2
    Fleche2
    LBL1

    Race classifications - totally arbitrary, just based on what I like and value.
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  • « Last Edit: April 23, 2018, 10:18 by Caruut »

    Caruut

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    Re: The Spring Roundup
    « Reply #3 on: April 22, 2018, 21:30 »
    I assume we are talking about the spring classics and we can forget the stage races for a while still?
    In that case:

    I didn't see Quickstep so dominant:
    • not in the Omloop
    • not in Milano-SanRemo
    • not in Paris-Roubaix
    • not in Amstel Gold
    • not in the Strade Bianche
    • not in the Gent-Wevelgem
    They won a lot of minor and medium races, but only two REALLY BIG ONES:
    • the Ronde van Vlaanderen
    • the Liege-Bastogne-Liege
    (and... to my surprise.... that is the FIRST Liege-Bastogne-Liege victory for that team?)
    • and then the E3 HaRelbeke
    • and the Dwars Doors Vlaanderen too
    • oh, and the Fleche Wallone
    but the three last ones are not that big, are they?  :slow

    Sure, Quickstep wasa factor in all races , just like Sky always is a factor in the GTs, but they have not been unbeatable and especially not unbeatable in the most important races - they rack up wins like no other team, but that is what you get when you put a team with multi-monument men like Terpstra and Gilbert against ordinary good racers like #direct Damien Gaudin in a small lovely race like Le Samyn. In these races, the other WT teams don't have a strong presence and yet they somehow bolster the image that #quickstep is dominant.

    I half agree with you here. Yes QS's winrate is bolstered by racking up the Belgian 1.1s, but then they also brought home the goods in the WT too. I feel like Fleche and E3 are big races, for sure, each roughly on a par with Gent and Strade B for me. Then they also won half the monuments on offer, which isn't exactly bad.

    As for first LBL win, depends if you count Bettini (2000, 2002) for Mapei-QS.
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    Re: The Spring Roundup
    « Reply #4 on: April 22, 2018, 22:36 »
    As for first LBL win, depends if you count Bettini (2000, 2002) for Mapei-QS.

    They don't seem to do that themselves, this why I didn't count it:

    https://twitter.com/quickstepteam/status/988071094564392961
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    Re: The Spring Roundup
    « Reply #5 on: April 22, 2018, 23:50 »
    They don't seem to do that themselves, this why I didn't count it:

    https://twitter.com/quickstepteam/status/988071094564392961

    Although when Bettini won LBL in 2000 and 2002 Quickstep were a co sponsor of Mapei I always view the lineage of the current Quickstep team to be separate from that one and having started in 2003 as more of an off shoot of the Domo - Farm Frites team rather than the Mapei team even though staff and riders also came across from Mapei.
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    Re: The Spring Roundup
    « Reply #6 on: April 23, 2018, 01:13 »
    Nice analysis Caruut !!!

    I think with Quickstep the dominance is because it isnt just one rider.  They have 4 riders in the top 12 there.  Whereas Bora (the next best team) .. has 2560 of its 3570 points from just one man.

    As a team, they won 2 of the 4 monuments, and around 1/2 of the major races on offer.   To me that is fairly dominant.

    Having said that - its about what they should be doing given their focus on the classics.  I would LOVE to see more teams focus on the classics and build teams just for these races rather than focussing on the grand tours ... so very happy to see them winning.    And not just building a roster to do it, but racing with the attacking mentality ...

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