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Tour de Romandie
« on: April 23, 2018, 08:22 »
Tour de Romandie

Tuesday, April 24th to Sunday, April 29th

On from in Switzerland it's time for the last dress rehearsal before the Giro. With a very challenging prologue and a mountain time-trial followed by a short mountain stage the organizers moved away from the usual approach - let's see how it goes :cool

Prologue


Stage 1


Stage 2
 

Stage 3 (MTT)


Stage 4


Stage 5


Additionally to the 18 World Tour teams, #wanty Wanty - Groupe Gobert will be at the start line in Fribourg tomorrow. The provisional start list features guys like #sky Bernal & Thomas, #bmc Porte & Tejay, #bahrain Ion & Gorka, #ag2r Frank, #movistar Roson, #uae Costa & Martin,  #astana Fuglsang #wanty Guillaume Martin, #jumbo Roglic, #bora Buchmann or #katusha Spilak as potential GC contenders, while #sunweb Matthews, #greenedge Albasini and #quickstep Gaviria will fight it out in the sprints.

The race is live on Eurosport. Information about other broadcasting channels can be found here.
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    Re: Tour de Romandie
    « Reply #1 on: April 23, 2018, 08:25 »
    and as the profile of the prologue up there doesn't quite give you the right impressions, here's an interactive one (by @raffilpt):



    So over those 4k we have something like a dozen of corners and two steep climbs :D
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    Re: Tour de Romandie
    « Reply #2 on: April 23, 2018, 09:12 »
    and as the profile of the prologue up there doesn't quite give you the right impressions, here's an interactive one (by @raffilpt):



    So over those 4k we have something like a dozen of corners and two steep climbs :D
    Woah. :o
    That's almost more extreme than the Sibiu Tour prologue!
    Almost. ;)
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    Re: Tour de Romandie
    « Reply #3 on: April 23, 2018, 12:57 »
    yeah, it definitely looks fun. The first part is flat though, that drop in the Ridewithgps profile is because a bridge over a river is crossed at that point. But it still leaves us with a ~1k at 7% average climb in the end
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    Re: Tour de Romandie
    « Reply #4 on: April 23, 2018, 16:02 »
    But it still leaves us with a ~1k at 7% average climb in the end

    ...with the first half of it on cobbles :win :win

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    Re: Tour de Romandie
    « Reply #5 on: April 23, 2018, 19:47 »
    Is this race really used as a preferred warm-up for the Giro or is it "too close on the calendar" like the TdS to the Tdf?
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    Re: Tour de Romandie
    « Reply #6 on: April 23, 2018, 19:55 »
    At least I think this guy is going to the TdF later this summer? https://primozroglic.com/2018/04/23/tour-de-romandie-18/
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    Re: Tour de Romandie
    « Reply #7 on: April 24, 2018, 08:47 »
    Is this race really used as a preferred warm-up for the Giro or is it "too close on the calendar" like the TdS to the Tdf?
    It used to be the final test for Giro contenders. But in the last couple of years, that shifted to the Giro del Trentino/Tour of the Alps (for the climbers) and Tour of Turkey (for the sprinters, until it was moved to the WorldTour, out of relevance, and into October).
    Romandie, in turn, became a race for Tour contenders to see where their form was two months out and start that last stretch of training towards July.

    This year, it's kind of neither. Or both.
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    Re: Tour de Romandie
    « Reply #8 on: April 24, 2018, 12:27 »
    Not one MTF. Huh?
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    Re: Tour de Romandie
    « Reply #9 on: April 24, 2018, 12:33 »
    I like it. The MTT is tough enough to create gaps - but not too huge not to be able to turn it around again with an early attack on the hard, short stage the day after
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    Re: Tour de Romandie
    « Reply #10 on: April 24, 2018, 21:55 »
    I think it was a very nice prologue, they even had decent TV coverage. With one exception: they only covered 1 second of Michael Matthews winning ride. #bmc Richie Porte was way down on the intermediate time, but there wasn't any notices about bad corners or minor mishaps to explain it. His finish was quite good.
    Quite a few of the regular suspects made good times: #jumbo Rogla and #sky Thomas included. Positive surprises from many of the the other #sky and #bmc riders - especially the young ones, #bmc Tom Bohli and #sky Egan Bernal.


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    Re: Tour de Romandie
    « Reply #11 on: April 24, 2018, 22:09 »
    very good indeed. Matthews made the difference on the flat part and (unlike others, to be found at the very bottom of the table) was able to keep the pace up over the climb

    INT INT -> FIN FIN
    1      #sunweb   MATTHEWS Michael      02:41 (1.)      <- 02:52 (7.) ->      05:33
    2      #bmc   BOHLI Tom      02:43 (5.)      <- 02:51 (6.) ->      05:34
    3      #jumbo   ROGLIČ Primož      02:47 (21.)      <- 02:47 (1.) ->      05:34
    4      #bmc   DENNIS Rohan      02:47 (27.)      <- 02:47 (1.) ->      05:34
    5      #lotto   CAMPENAERTS Victor      02:45 (12.)      <- 02:53 (10.) ->      05:38
    6      #sky   THOMAS Geraint      02:43 (4.)      <- 02:55 (13.) ->      05:38
    7      #ef   CLARKE William      02:45 (13.)      <- 02:54 (12.) ->      05:39
    8      #sky   ROSA Diego      02:49 (44.)      <- 02:50 (5.) ->      05:39
    9      #ag2r   LATOUR Pierre      02:52 (61.)      <- 02:47 (1.) ->      05:39
    10      #bahrain   IZAGUIRRE Gorka      02:46 (15.)      <- 02:56 (14.) ->      05:42
    11      #sky   BERNAL Egan      02:47 (25.)      <- 02:57 (16.) ->      05:44
    12      #sky   CASTROVIEJO Jonathan      02:46 (18.)      <- 02:58 (23.) ->      05:44
    13      #astana   GRIVKO Andrey      02:47 (23.)      <- 02:57 (16.) ->      05:44
    14      #ef   ROLLAND Pierre      02:47 (22.)      <- 02:57 (16.) ->      05:44
    15      #lotto   de GENDT Thomas      02:45 (14.)      <- 03:01 (33.) ->      05:46
    16      #ag2r   GOUGEARD Alexis      02:49 (37.)      <- 02:57 (16.) ->      05:46
    17      #ag2r   DILLIER Silvan      02:49 (41.)      <- 02:58 (23.) ->      05:47
    18      #bmc   PORTE Richie      02:58 (111.)      <- 02:49 (4.) ->      05:47
    19      #quickstep   MARTINELLI Davide      02:46 (17.)      <- 03:01 (33.) ->      05:47
    20      #katusha   GONCALVES Jose      02:54 (75.)      <- 02:53 (10.) ->      05:47
    21      #bahrain   IZAGUIRRE Jon      02:49 (42.)      <- 02:59 (26.) ->      05:48
    22      #sunweb   VERVAEKE Louis      02:51 (55.)      <- 02:57 (16.) ->      05:48
    23      #ef   MARTINEZ Daniel      02:49 (40.)      <- 03:00 (30.) ->      05:49
    24      #trek   CONCI Nicola      02:57 (106.)      <- 02:52 (7.) ->      05:49
    25      #ef   CARTHY Hugh John      02:51 (56.)      <- 02:59 (26.) ->      05:50
    26      #katusha   DOWSETT Alex      02:51 (52.)      <- 02:59 (26.) ->      05:50
    27      #bora   BUCHMANN Emanuel      02:48 (28.)      <- 03:02 (39.) ->      05:50
    28      #fdj   LUDVIGSSON Tobias      02:47 (19.)      <- 03:04 (48.) ->      05:51
    29      #orica   POWER Rob      02:54 (90.)      <- 02:57 (16.) ->      05:51
    30      #jumbo   KRUIJSWIJK Steven      02:53 (69.)      <- 02:59 (26.) ->      05:52
    31      #movistar   AMADOR Andrey      02:44 (7.)      <- 03:08 (71.) ->      05:52
                               
    33      #uae   MARTIN Daniel      03:00 (122.)      <- 02:52 (7.) ->      05:52
                               
    36      #uae   COSTA Rui      02:53 (70.)      <- 03:00 (30.) ->      05:53
    37      #katusha   ŠPILAK Simon      02:48 (34.)      <- 03:06 (65.) ->      05:54
                               
    39      #bmc   van GARDEREN Tejay      02:53 (74.)      <- 03:02 (39.) ->      05:55
                               
    51      #ag2r   FRANK Mathias      02:51 (54.)      <- 03:06 (62.) ->      05:57
                               
    60      #astana   FUGLSANG Jakob      02:49 (39.)      <- 03:09 (81.) ->      05:58
    61      #movistar   BETANCUR Carlos      02:50 (48.)      <- 03:09 (77.) ->      05:59
                               
                               
    64      #movistar   ROSON Jaime      02:51 (51.)      <- 03:08 (74.) ->      05:59
                               
    66      #fdj   GAUDU David      02:55 (93.)      <- 03:05 (54.) ->      06:00
                               
    78      #wanty   MARTIN Guillaume      02:54 (80.)      <- 03:08 (72.) ->      06:02
                               
    88      #jumbo   BOOM Lars      02:43 (5.)      <- 03:22 (117.) ->      06:05
                               
    98      #quickstep   VIVIANI Elia      02:41 (2.)      <- 03:26 (125.) ->      06:07
                               
    104      #bora   ACKERMANN Pascal      02:44 (9.)      <- 03:25 (119.) ->      06:09
                               
    108      #bahrain   COLBRELLI Sonny      02:46 (16.)      <- 03:25 (120.) ->      06:11
    109      #bora   SELIG Rudiger      02:43 (3.)      <- 03:29 (128.) ->      06:12
                               
    125      #trek   van POPPEL Boy      02:44 (8.)      <- 03:36 (132.) ->      06:20
    126      #quickstep   GAVIRIA Fernando      02:45 (11.)      <- 03:36 (131.) ->      06:21

    so Porte's 2nd part was good, but not stellar. I think he is still lacking quite a bit of form

    edit: I don't have split seconds for all riders, but fastest in the 2nd part was actually Dennis (2:46.79), ahead of Roglic (2:46.99) and Latour (2:47.33)
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    Re: Tour de Romandie
    « Reply #12 on: April 24, 2018, 23:14 »
    Porte's first half is so off, he must have made a mistake, not seen on television. He's way down there with lots of guys "not really riding" the prologue cause they want to go in the breakaway or just stay fresh to help the captain later.
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    Re: Tour de Romandie
    « Reply #13 on: April 25, 2018, 06:42 »
    "down there with a lot of guys not really riding" is a pretty fitting description for Porte's performances over the past months though. But I didn't read a statement from him, yeah, maybe he did a little mistake
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    Re: Tour de Romandie
    « Reply #14 on: April 25, 2018, 08:49 »
    today's final circuit, to be completed twice



    It's pretty tough, but somehow hilly stages in Romandie always end up in a sprint, no matter how hard it is. Today it may be a different matter though - Albasini seems to be completely off track and I can't see many other teams but Sunweb interested in keeping things together
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    Re: Tour de Romandie
    « Reply #15 on: April 25, 2018, 10:03 »
    Fribourg seemed like a very beautiful town. I did not know that about it and I might visit someday when the exchange rate with the CHF returns to something like normality.

    Nice race and a good way to start the late Spring period. Looking forward to the next few days' racing.
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    Re: Tour de Romandie
    « Reply #16 on: April 26, 2018, 12:15 »
    Stage 1 saw a reduced bunch sprint, surprisingly won by #astana Omar Fraile, partly due to the fact that #bahrain Sonny Colbrelli had to open his sprint pretty early as his team mate Gorka Izagirre for whatever reason preferred to sprint to 5th himself instead of helping to close the gap to #fdj David Gaudu up the road



    On today's stage a strong breakaway is likely to go clear on the tough climb at the beginning of the stage, but Quickstep and Bora may bring it back together for a sprint on the hilly circuit around Yverdon-les-Bains



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    Re: Tour de Romandie
    « Reply #17 on: April 26, 2018, 18:56 »
    that de Gendt dude seems to be a decent breakaway rider



    he could have made some friends at Garmin by towing #ef Nathan Brown into yellow though. Not sure it really was necessary to attack him with 25k to go already

    MTT on the Col de la Croix tomorrow - so it's pretty tough, more or less comparable to the one in the 2016 Giro (won by Foliforov)

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    Re: Tour de Romandie
    « Reply #18 on: April 26, 2018, 21:15 »
    he could have made some friends at Garmin by towing #ef Nathan Brown into yellow though. Not sure it really was necessary to attack him with 25k to go already
    And what would he use/need those friends for?
    For his style of racing, completely uninterested in GC, he doesn't need friends.
    Attack! :yuush
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    Re: Tour de Romandie
    « Reply #19 on: April 27, 2018, 01:28 »
    but perhaps Wellens or Jelle or others going for stages/jerseys at the Tour might have been happy with a favour being owed.

    what goes around, comes around
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    Re: Tour de Romandie
    « Reply #20 on: April 27, 2018, 11:16 »
     Even with hindsight, I don't buy it.
    Towing another rider towards a finish, on the vague notion that the team might receive payback at a later date?
    That is a risky business, as it brings into play two potential outcomes.
    a) That by having to ride more slowly, they both get caught by the peloton.
    b) That the fatigued rider gets a half an hour to recuperate, then cannot then be dropped and takes the win.

     Hence it is a rarely seen option in modern racing.
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    Re: Tour de Romandie
    « Reply #21 on: April 27, 2018, 15:57 »
    Even with hindsight, I don't buy it.
    Towing another rider towards a finish, on the vague notion that the team might receive payback at a later date?
    That is a risky business, as it brings into play two potential outcomes.
    a) That by having to ride more slowly, they both get caught by the peloton.
    b) That the fatigued rider gets a half an hour to recuperate, then cannot then be dropped and takes the win.

     Hence it is a rarely seen option in modern racing.
    What's wrong with the age-old "let's work together, you get the jersey, I get the stage" deal?
    Sure, if the virtual GC leader is just too slow, he may have to be left behind. But otherwise, isn't this pretty much the ideal constellation for a two-rider breakaway?
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    « Reply #22 on: April 27, 2018, 17:01 »
    nice one Egan :cool

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    2      #jumbo   ROGLIČ Primož      12:05 (3.)      <- 13:09 (1.) ->      25:14
    3      #bmc   PORTE Richie      11:43 (1.)      <- 13:45 (3.) ->      25:28
    4      #jumbo   KRUIJSWIJK Steven      12:09 (4.)      <- 13:49 (4.) ->      25:58
    5      #uae   COSTA Rui      12:21 (8.)      <- 13:55 (5.) ->      26:16
    6      #ag2r   LATOUR Pierre      12:25 (9.)      <- 14:06 (8.) ->      26:31
    7      #bmc   DENNIS Rohan      12:21 (7.)      <- 14:15 (10.) ->      26:36
    8      #uae   MARTIN Daniel      12:38 (15.)      <- 14:00 (6.) ->      26:38
    9      #bora   BUCHMANN Emanuel      12:10 (5.)      <- 14:30 (20.) ->      26:40
    10      #katusha   ŠPILAK Simon      12:18 (6.)      <- 14:35 (22.) ->      26:53
    11      #bahrain   IZAGUIRRE Jon      12:32 (10.)      <- 14:23 (16.) ->      26:55
    12      #katusha   GONCALVES Jose      12:36 (12.)      <- 14:21 (14.) ->      26:57
    13      #astana   FUGLSANG Jakob      12:36 (11.)      <- 14:22 (15.) ->      26:58
    14      #ef   MARTINEZ Daniel      12:48 (19.)      <- 14:15 (9.) ->      27:03
    15      #uae   ĐURASEK Kristijan      13:00 (30.)      <- 14:05 (7.) ->      27:05
    16      #sky   CASTROVIEJO Jonathan      12:56 (23.)      <- 14:15 (11.) ->      27:11
    17      #mitchelton   NIEVE Mikel      12:58 (25.)      <- 14:17 (13.) ->      27:15
    18      #bmc   van GARDEREN Tejay      12:37 (13.)      <- 14:40 (26.) ->      27:17
    19      #katusha   FABBRO Matteo      12:42 (16.)      <- 14:36 (23.) ->      27:18
    20      #bahrain   PERNSTEINER Hermann      12:54 (22.)      <- 14:26 (17.) ->      27:20
    21      #sky   ROSA Diego      12:59 (27.)      <- 14:29 (19.) ->      27:28
    22      #mitchelton   POWER Rob      12:37 (14.)      <- 14:52 (32.) ->      27:29
    23      #astana   HANSEN Jesper      13:04 (34.)      <- 14:28 (18.) ->      27:32
    24      #ef   DOMBROWSKI Joe      12:51 (20.)      <- 14:42 (28.) ->      27:33
    25      #movistar   SEPULVEDA Eduardo      13:18 (44.)      <- 14:16 (12.) ->      27:34
    26      #movistar   ROSON Jaime      12:57 (24.)      <- 14:40 (27.) ->      27:37
    27      #sky   THOMAS Geraint      12:45 (18.)      <- 14:58 (42.) ->      27:43
    28      #lotto   de GENDT Thomas      12:58 (26.)      <- 14:45 (29.) ->      27:43
    29      #ef   CARTHY Hugh      13:05 (35.)      <- 14:38 (24.) ->      27:43
                               
    32      #fdj   GAUDU David      13:03 (32.)      <- 14:51 (31.) ->      27:54
                               
    37      #ag2r   FRANK Mathias      12:43 (17.)      <- 15:28 (56.) ->      28:11
                               
    43      #bahrain   IZAGUIRRE Gorka      13:27 (52.)      <- 14:56 (39.) ->      28:23
                               
    54      #ef   ROLLAND Pierre      13:14 (40.)      <- 15:40 (64.) ->      28:54
                               
    61      #wanty   MARTIN Guillaume      13:17 (43.)      <- 15:52 (69.) ->      29:09

    as far as I can see, everyone on from Rowe in 98th missed the time cut (~30 riders in total). No idea if it'll be enforced though

    seems like it was amended to 30%, or the rulebook was wrong to begin with. Everyone on from Viviani in 118th is out (10 riders in total)
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    Re: Tour de Romandie
    « Reply #23 on: April 27, 2018, 17:19 »
    Ah, that famed UCI consistency.
    After they we so quick to cull half the field in the Scheldeprijs, too. ;)
    At least, this time it's half of Quick Step who are out.
    I expect Pat will be on the media, looking for someone to blame.
    Where mountains are concerned, I'd blame Colombians and ski jumpers. :D
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    Re: Tour de Romandie
    « Reply #24 on: April 27, 2018, 22:07 »
    Ah, that famed UCI consistency.

    didn't you see the tarmac melting up there on the climb?! :D

    https://twitter.com/inrng/status/989894651049054209

    they needed to find a way not to eliminate the Swiss champion I guess
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    Re: Tour de Romandie
    « Reply #25 on: April 27, 2018, 22:32 »
    here are the exact gaps for the top 5 in gc by the way:

    1.      #jumbo Roglic      
    2.      #sky Bernal      +0:06.22
    3.       #bmc Porte      +0:27.00
    4.      #jumbo Kruijswijk      +1:01.94
    5.      #uae Costa      +1:12.12

    so Bernal needs to beat Roglic by 7 seconds to take the lead
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    Re: Tour de Romandie
    « Reply #26 on: April 28, 2018, 03:49 »
    Just watching stage 2 now. DeGendt - Brown - I'm thinking DeGendt didn't want to get caught, and thought the gap was about right. If the gap was smaller, he was thinking "we'll get caught". He didn't want that.

    Magnificently strong performance from DeGendt. Lovin' it!
    [Edit] I'm going to walk this back just a little. According to Brian Smith (commenting with Carlton K), DeGendt is quite the individualist. Plugs in his earbuds at team meetings kind of individualism. Oh. Well, ok, then - he could have worked with Brown to his long-term advantage, but wouldn't. Shame, that.
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    Re: Tour de Romandie
    « Reply #27 on: April 28, 2018, 08:51 »
    here are the exact gaps for the top 5 in gc by the way:

    1.      #jumbo Roglic      
    2.      #sky Bernal      +0:06.22
    3.       #bmc Porte      +0:27.00
    4.      #jumbo Kruijswijk      +1:01.94
    5.      #uae Costa      +1:12.12

    so Bernal needs to beat Roglic by 7 seconds to take the lead
    very important if it comes down to bonifications
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    Re: Tour de Romandie
    « Reply #28 on: April 28, 2018, 10:57 »
    The TV production of this race is quite good. They could do more with split-times on the MTT but the photography is ace, and the landscape and time of year is just right.  Perhaps it always was, every year, but it is not so often we get to see it because....

    https://twitter.com/OliverNaesen/status/989872836457230336

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    Re: Tour de Romandie
    « Reply #29 on: April 28, 2018, 18:29 »
    Bernal tried everything he could to shake off Roglic today - but was unable to. A bit of help from Thomas could have been of use maybe, but he apparently was busy thinking about his missed leadership opportunities. There are not many of them to follow.

    Fuglsang sneaked away then on the descent and took the stage victory



    Tomorrow looks like a stage for the sprinters. There aren't too many left apart from #bahrain Colbrelli and #bora Ackermann, but those two teams should be strong enough to keep it together. #wanty Dupont, #ag2r Dumoulin, #mitchelton Albasini, #uae Ferrari and #katusha Planckaert could also have a chance to feature
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