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Re: Tour de Suisse
« Reply #30 on: June 15, 2018, 15:51 »
They let the BOTD go all the way although, just for a moment, Porte had us thinking he was going to be greedy. He shot away from the remainder of the peloton on the final Cat 3 just a couple of kms from the finish with the sort of acceleration that recalled his best days.
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Porte increased his gap and with a TT left to ride, only stupidity or crashes can stop him winning this.
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Didn't seem like all that explosive an acceleration. More like a VW Bug, with somebody sticking a crowbar in to peel off the wheelsuckers ---  s l o w l y   m o v i n g   a w a y. Still, he did it, and came good at the end.

Then we got today, and Quintana finally showing us some legs. Haven't seen him for a while now. Porte still in GC lead - so the bit about the TT, stupidity, and crashes looks like a good forecast.
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    Re: Tour de Suisse
    « Reply #31 on: June 15, 2018, 18:39 »
    Speaking of today's stage, it looked to me like Fuglsang was either returning a BIG favor, or he was paying it forward. "Just gimme a tow, would ya, mate?" "Sure thing." I think w/o Jakob, Richie stood a good chance of losing the lead. He'll likely smash Nairo in the TT tho.
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    Re: Tour de Suisse
    « Reply #32 on: June 15, 2018, 21:46 »
    Speaking of today's stage, it looked to me like Fuglsang was either returning a BIG favor, or he was paying it forward. "Just gimme a tow, would ya, mate?" "Sure thing." I think w/o Jakob, Richie stood a good chance of losing the lead. He'll likely smash Nairo in the TT tho.

    My interpretation #astana Fuglsang was riding for himself. He had a lot to catch up on the GC and he doesn't mind towing with someone that's eventually going to beat him as long as he means it will improve his own result. That's how you win a silver medal in the Olympics, remember? Another factor making that an easy decision for him: this isn't the most important race of the season and third, he expects to do a rather good time trial, like Porte. He might catch Quintana in the end? 34 km time trial for 1:11 time difference?

    Anyway, before the stage we looked at the profile and said: that's hardly a tough climbing stage, is it? Almost like it was made for Stefan Küng! (In my drafts folder there is an unfinished post about how much cooler it would be to finish in Lenzerheide, climbing Lenzerheide first from Chur and then descending on the south side to Albula, before going directly back up to Lenzerheide via Sporz. Tried that myself, 2 years ago and I think it would be a bit harder :)

    Once again, we saw that if a stage is hard enough to be decisve but not too hard we get a lot more interesting racing. Mentioning the Olympics earlier, but, I wonder, after today's 15 km of #bmc Van Avermaet vs #movistar Quintana - imagine a race 100 km longer - are we ready to write of Greg for the world championship just yet?

    The early attack by Quintana and long chase by BMC was full of tactical moves, to many to recount here but this was  not the one-blow monoclimb we have seen in some grand tours the last couple of years. Instead, the long flatter midsection opened up what would often be a  mano against mano long climb to team tactics, and that's where #bmc has more cards to play than most, and the trump card - no, not the american - is the olympic champion. Porte would be long gone out of the yellow jersey without van Avermaet!



    As far as preparation for Tour de France, and let's keep Froome out of the discussion for a while, but rather focus on the Tour de Suisse vs Criterium de Dauphine perspective: who's your pick now, between #sky Geraint Thomas and #bmc Richie Porte?
    Both have better reputation as a Froome domestique than as a GC captain, but there are similarities and differences in their upbringing, Thomas being clearly more diversified whereas Porte perhaps being the better climber? Who would be the best if both were captains of their teams?
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    Re: Tour de Suisse
    « Reply #33 on: June 16, 2018, 01:10 »
    Interesting question.

    I might ask it (and anwer it) in a new thread
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    Re: Tour de Suisse
    « Reply #34 on: June 16, 2018, 13:59 »
    . . .
    The early attack by Quintana and long chase by BMC was full of tactical moves, to many to recount here but this was  not the one-blow monoclimb we have seen in some grand tours the last couple of years. Instead, the long flatter midsection opened up what would often be a  mano against mano long climb to team tactics, and that's where #bmc has more cards to play than most, and the trump card - no, not the american ( :fp :fp -mg) - is the olympic champion. Porte would be long gone out of the yellow jersey without van Avermaet!
     . . .
     who's your pick now, between #sky Geraint Thomas and #bmc Richie Porte?
    Both have better reputation as a Froome domestique than as a GC captain, but there are similarities and differences in their upbringing, Thomas being clearly more diversified whereas Porte perhaps being the better climber? Who would be the best if both were captains of their teams?

    One-blow monoclimb. Now, THAT's descriptive and colorful writing! I'm going to have to use that one myself!

    Thomas vs Porte? Oy - I agree w AG - good thread fodder!
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    Re: Tour de Suisse
    « Reply #35 on: June 17, 2018, 07:46 »
    yesterday's stage saw the first really big sprint of the race. Although the pace was so high, that basically only a handful of guys were still in contention in the end - with Demare as the strongest of them



    Today there's a ITT to finish it off. A not too technical or lumpy one it is



    ~pdf Start Order

    TIME TEAM NAME GC GAP
    13:08      #mitchelton      HEPBURN Michael      
                      
    13:25      #bora      BODNAR Maciej      
                      
    14:09      #mitchelton      MEYER Cameron      
                      
    14:15      #sunweb      ARNDT Nikias      
                      
    14:22      #movistar      OLIVEIRA Nelson      
                      
    14:34      #quickstep      LAMPAERT Yves      
                      
    14:36      #sunweb      MATTHEWS Michael      
                      
    14:39      #ag2r      DILLIER Silvan      
                      
    14:49      #bmc      VAN GARDEREN Tejay      
                      
    14:51      #bmc      KÜNG Stefan      
                      
    15:12      #bahrain      IZAGUIRRE INSAUSTI Jon      +3:03
    15:13      #astana      KANGERT Tanel      +3:02
    15:14      #mitchelton      HAIG Jack      +2:56
    15:15      #uae      ULISSI Diego      +2:42
    15:16      #fdj      VICHOT Arthur      +2:32
    15:18      #trek      MOLLEMA Bauke      +2:26
    15:20      #katusha      SPILAK Simon      +1:48
    15:22      #jumbo      KRUIJSWIJK Steven      +1:37
    15:24      #movistar      LANDA MEANA Mikel      +1:31
    15:26      #astana      FUGLSANG Jakob      +1:28
    15:28      #sunweb      OOMEN Sam      +1:13
    15:30      #quickstep      MAS NICOLAU Enric      +0:53
    15:32      #sunweb      KELDERMAN Wilco      +0:52
    15:34      #movistar      QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo      +0:17
    15:36      #bmc      PORTE Richie   

    so it's still quite close in the fight for positions. I'd tend to say the podium is pretty safe though.
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    Re: Tour de Suisse
    « Reply #36 on: June 17, 2018, 08:19 »
    forgot to mention him. Maybe on purpose though

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    Re: Tour de Suisse
    « Reply #37 on: June 17, 2018, 10:36 »


    so it's still quite close in the fight for positions. I'd tend to say the podium is pretty safe though.

    Maybe Quintana's place is under threat?
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    Re: Tour de Suisse
    « Reply #38 on: June 17, 2018, 10:52 »
    Maybe Quintana's place is under threat?

    maybe, yeah, but Spilak is 1:30 behind already. And the others in between would really need a superb day I think
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    « Reply #39 on: June 17, 2018, 13:09 »
    maybe, yeah, but Spilak is 1:30 behind already. And the others in between would really need a superb day I think

    Really? Isn't it conceivable that #sunweb Wilco Kelderman can put ~1s / km into #movistar Quintana on this course? He's like 35 secs back from Quintana and it's a 34 km time trial....

    I would say that scond place is pretty much still up for grabs, yes?
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    « Reply #40 on: June 17, 2018, 13:18 »
    well, yes, that's a given anyway. I was talking about him staying on the podium
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    Re: Tour de Suisse
    « Reply #41 on: June 17, 2018, 16:35 »
    My interpretation #astana Fuglsang was riding for himself. He had a lot to catch up on the GC and he doesn't mind towing with someone that's eventually going to beat him as long as he means it will improve his own result. . . .


    Given the final results, with Birdsong taking over 2nd spot, I would have to say you had it right. Still, I hope he reminded Porte that he was doing him a big boon by pulling! So one day he can pull that card and redeem it.
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    Re: Tour de Suisse
    « Reply #42 on: June 17, 2018, 16:36 »
    Really? Isn't it conceivable that #sunweb Wilco Kelderman can put ~1s / km into #movistar Quintana on this course? He's like 35 secs back from Quintana and it's a 34 km time trial....

    I would say that scond place is pretty much still up for grabs, yes?

    I was expecting to see Kelderman take second today but he had a bad day for him. Maybe still not fully recovered from his Tirreno crash. Fantastic day for Fuglsang though.
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    Re: Tour de Suisse
    « Reply #43 on: June 17, 2018, 21:24 »
    Time for some book-keeping. The contador says ...these were the stage results:


    The stage was as close to a copy of the Giro d'Italia ITT in Roveredo as you can get, same length, same profile, different alpine valley. The difference, results-wise is that this top 10 list is dominated by ITT specialists and classics riders with good ITT skills, only #astana Jakob Fuglsang of the GC riders made it into top 10. It is also clear that #bmc and #sunweb are working hard on the time trial, from a team perspective,  and looking to get a good result in the TdF.
    #bmc Stefan Küng is increasingly looking like a challenger for the ITT rainbows , and his good results can be the key that unlocks some swiss bank accounts for BMC. He will be a very interesting rider to follow and it seems like he can do whatever in the years to come.
    Concerning his teammate I am a bit disappointed #bmc Richie Porte did not make it into the top 10 on this stage. A strong ITT (on a more lumpy course) will be necessary for the Tour de France winner, and what he delivered today was not at that level. Of course, it may be a bit early, cause the TdF time trial is the second-last day of the TdF, in the end of July.
    #movistar Quintana, #trek Mollema and #bahrain Izagirre needs to get their TT bike out and train a bit more often though as even Porte bagged about 1 minute to each of them!

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