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Re: Team Sponsorship 18/19
« Reply #30 on: July 14, 2018, 13:17 »
not only pedals... he was even riding other bikes during competition

https://legruppetto.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=133&t=2658&start=440

I don't usually pay much attention to this stuff. But I was thinking there must be some back story to that sudden change. If the main team rider is acting like a drama queen about the brand choice - I am not surprised. Not that individual riders haven't done the like before - but at least they typically put the proper brand decals on. Kinda hard to do with Shimano pedals, tho.
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    Re: Team Sponsorship 18/19
    « Reply #31 on: July 14, 2018, 13:22 »
    Blast from the past although he never really went away, this particular shark. Cycling could do without him but then there are plenty of other unsavoury types already.

    You are referring to Marc Biver, yes? Isn't he the "former" BMC top something-or-other who's gone off and disavowed anything further with BMC? So he's an unsavory sort, eh? I know nothing of all this, except I haven't exactly been impressed with Ochowicz as an honest man over the years.
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    Re: Team Sponsorship 18/19
    « Reply #32 on: July 14, 2018, 22:18 »
    You are referring to Marc Biver, yes? Isn't he the "former" BMC top something-or-other who's gone off and disavowed anything further with BMC? So he's an unsavory sort, eh? I know nothing of all this, except I haven't exactly been impressed with Ochowicz as an honest man over the years.
    Yes.
    Bit of a mess, that whole will-they-won't-they-BMC saga.
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    Re: Team Sponsorship 18/19
    « Reply #33 on: July 24, 2018, 20:39 »
    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/clock-ticking-for-unitedhealthcare-pro-cycling-to-find-new-title-sponsor/

    It did seem rather overindulgent to be sponsoring two/four teams and UnitedHealthcare have decided that Rally is the horse they want to back going forwards. The decision is based on the belief that "Rally Cycling's active-lifestyle message fit better with that brand", but let's be honest the men's version of UHC has under performed for years with the US CT teams often making it look like the roles should be reversed (and now could be).

    They (the team) have known about this decision for a while, but haven't had much luck in drumming up a new sponsor yet. They've set a soft deadline of 31st July, but will continue to search after that date.
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    Re: Team Sponsorship 18/19
    « Reply #34 on: July 24, 2018, 21:06 »
    It's one big musical-chairs merry-go-round for bike sponsors this year:

    BMC #bmc --> #didata
    Cervélo #didata --> #sunweb
    Giant #sunweb --> ??? (my suspicion is 'new CCC')
    Bianchi #jumbo --> ??? (could end up at #uae - or re-sign with the Dutch team)

    Wilier apparently leave #wilier to focus exclusively on #direct
    Factor may or may not continue with #ag2r
    And if Bianchi goes to #uae, Colnago is suddenly out of a WT team
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    Re: Team Sponsorship 18/19
    « Reply #36 on: August 01, 2018, 15:08 »
    and #aquablue Aqua Blue found a way to get invited to more big races: just buying the #verandas Verandas Willems team, including Wout van Aert

    https://www.aquabluesport.com/blog/Aqua-Blue-Sport-acquires-Sniper-Cycling.html
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    Re: Team Sponsorship 18/19
    « Reply #37 on: August 01, 2018, 19:52 »
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    Re: Team Sponsorship 18/19
    « Reply #38 on: August 01, 2018, 22:13 »
    and #aquablue Aqua Blue found a way to get invited to more big races: just buying the #verandas Verandas Willems team, including Wout van Aert

    https://www.aquabluesport.com/blog/Aqua-Blue-Sport-acquires-Sniper-Cycling.html

    Well, well, well ... :fp
    One of the two sides isn't telling the truth.
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    Re: Team Sponsorship 18/19
    « Reply #40 on: August 06, 2018, 09:21 »
    https://cyclingpro.net/spaziociclismo/ciclomercato/corendon-circus-mathieu-van-der-poel-rinnova-e-la-squadra-punta-la-licenza-professional/

    Corendon-Circus (+ MVDP) to go PCT in 2019?

    Interesting prospect. CXers have always ridden on the road, of course, but not often with the sort of profile or intent that some of these kids are showing. You have to think now that road crossover is the new CX-only, with the VDP/WVA generation proving so versatile, at least until it reaches the inevitable crossroads of specialisation.

    It's not just the absolute toppers. Who knows how far Quinten Hermans can go after winning at the Tour de Wallonie? And I knew Merlier was fast but winning two stages in Denmark is really impressive.

    Finally, the sponsors are on to a winner here: year-round coverage, performing stars and, for the moment at least, a very modest budget.
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    Re: Team Sponsorship 18/19
    « Reply #41 on: August 08, 2018, 19:01 »
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    Re: Team Sponsorship 18/19
    « Reply #43 on: August 16, 2018, 21:37 »
    ..... and in the US.

    According to Sherwen during stage 1 of Colorado, #axeon are looking for new sponsorship too. Of course that doesn't mean they are in trouble per se, but could just be looking for a budget increase or summat.
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    Re: Team Sponsorship 18/19
    « Reply #44 on: August 21, 2018, 17:42 »
    More positive news for once.

    https://www.directvelo.com/actualite/68708/iam-cycling-de-retour-en-uci

    IAM's phoenix rises another level to CT in 2019.
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    Re: Team Sponsorship 18/19
    « Reply #45 on: August 22, 2018, 11:42 »
    AGU new clothing supplier for Lotto-Jumbo. they get more and more back to the old Rabo style. AGU was Rabo's supplier for many many years
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    Re: Team Sponsorship 18/19
    « Reply #46 on: August 22, 2018, 21:55 »
    AGU new clothing supplier for Lotto-Jumbo. they get more and more back to the old Rabo style. AGU was Rabo's supplier for many many years
    Next, Jumbo Supermarkets will announce a nationwide re-branding with orange instead of yellow ... :lol
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    Re: Team Sponsorship 18/19
    « Reply #49 on: August 30, 2018, 15:51 »
    https://twitter.com/Rally_Cycling/status/1034890130069368833

    Interesting that Tvetcov likes and comments on the tweet. :shh

    I wonder if their transfer dealings will expand to include people not from the States or Canada? Do Rally have a presence outside that market? I don't think so, but just sticking to those two nationalities could mean a limited palette from year to year.
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    Re: Team Sponsorship 18/19
    « Reply #50 on: August 30, 2018, 22:38 »
    Interesting that Tvetcov likes and comments on the tweet. :shh
    I'm convinced they will offer the best #uhc riders a contract.
    They already announced Mannion, and I'm pretty sure our Moldovan-Romanian who likes to race in the States is on their list too.

    I wonder if their transfer dealings will expand to include people not from the States or Canada? Do Rally have a presence outside that market? I don't think so, but just sticking to those two nationalities could mean a limited palette from year to year.
    Probably not (really).
    The last rider on the team who wasn't from North America was *au Clay Murfet, in 2009 (the team name was Kelly Benefit Strategies-Medifast back then). And Murfet had been racing on the US scene the year before already.
    Before that, there's *be Mark Hinnen, straight out of the junior ranks, in 2007. Who didn't do a single UCI race with the team, and hardly any after (started 2.2 Tour of Pennsylvania in 2008, and that's it).

    That said, Jonas Carney & co. have a talent for picking up good US & Canadian talent.
    Looking back:
    Ty Magner, Brandon McNulty, Colin Joyce, Adam de Vos, Matteo Dal Cin, Sepp Kuss, Evan Huffman, Rob Britton, Michael Woods, Phil Gaimon, Guillaume Boivin, Carter Jones, Eric Young, Bjorn Selander, Chad Haga, Mike Friedman, Guy East, Jesse Anthony, Jake Keough, Matthew Busche, Zach Bell, Ryan Anderson, David Veilleux, Ben King, Martin Gilbert, Keven Lacombe, Ryan Roth ...
    Those aren't bad riders. They're some of the best that the North American scene has to offer, including several national champions, winners of WT- or HC-level races etc.

    If #rally find their niche in giving pro deals to the finest talent available in the US and Canada and offer those a good mix of the (North) American UCI races and well-planned, well-chosen excursions to Europe, that isn't the worst modus operandi for a *us ProConti team. In fact, it's far better than that of most other North American PCTs.
    And it would surprise me if they stuck rigorously to any (real or coincidental) limitations to just take *us *ca riders. When riders like *md *ro Țvetcov, *mx Flavio de Luna, *lv Toms Skujins, or *by Andrei Krasilnikau perform well on the North American scene, they'd be stupid to pass on these guys just because they have the 'wrong' passport.
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    Re: Team Sponsorship 18/19
    « Reply #51 on: September 01, 2018, 13:54 »
    look like EF-Drapac will use Rapha kits in 2019 (no more POC) from a post on the weightweenies-forum
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    Re: Team Sponsorship 18/19
    « Reply #52 on: September 01, 2018, 20:14 »
    https://twitter.com/ONEProCycling/status/1035845232674451457

    ONE call it a day with their men's team and will instead set up a women's team. Are they joining up with Drops or something completely new?
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    Re: Team Sponsorship 18/19
    « Reply #53 on: September 01, 2018, 22:50 »
    ONE call it a day with their men's team and will instead set up a women's team. Are they joining up with Drops or something completely new?
    Your guess is as good as mine.
    Drops is one possibility - Brian Cookson's project of a women's team is another.
    I have an inkling that Cookson is more likely than Drops.

    But it could also be a whole third project that doesn't have to do with either.
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    Re: Team Sponsorship 18/19
    « Reply #54 on: September 05, 2018, 08:59 »
    Giant bikes confirmed for CCC(bmc)

    Ag2r withour bike sponsor for 2019 (Factor leaves) I want to send a hug to all the Ag2r fans who got a Factor bike this summer  :angry

    there were rumors of Bianchi+UAE

    so Colnago for Ag2r?

    LOOK!!! for Ag2r?


    https://www.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/dmf20180905_03703207
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    Re: Team Sponsorship 18/19
    « Reply #55 on: September 05, 2018, 09:16 »
    Your guess is as good as mine.
    Drops is one possibility - Brian Cookson's project of a women's team is another.
    I have an inkling that Cookson is more likely than Drops.

    But it could also be a whole third project that doesn't have to do with either.

    Ok so I am sad for the riders - but the management continue to exhibit gut wrenching levels of hubris.  From their TdF aspirations - the climb down to 3rd tier - and now packing up all together because 'no one can compete with Sky'!  Now their latest hobby-folly is to 'big up' in Pryor parlance a womens team... so how long will this idea stay fun and shiny, a year , 2 years...

     :(
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    Re: Team Sponsorship 18/19
    « Reply #56 on: September 05, 2018, 09:21 »
    Giant bikes confirmed for CCC(bmc)

    Ag2r withour bike sponsor for 2019 (Factor leaves) I want to send a hug to all the Ag2r fans who got a Factor bike this summer  :angry

    there were rumors of Bianchi+UAE

    so Colnago for Ag2r?

    LOOK!!! for Ag2r?

    https://www.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/dmf20180905_03703207

    I would have thought a few manufacturers might be interested in a WT association. I think that was Factor's original motivation: WT on the cheap.

    The article above states, somewhat obliquely, that Factor positions itself as a high-end brand (as we already know) but that #ag2r perhaps didn't reflect that sort of image. It's difficult to imagine how a team could transmit "high-end" better, although prestige tends to correlate quite blandly with riders, results and budget: just ask Pinarello.

    Colnago had many years with Bernaudeau, so there is certainly a French connection there, and AG2R also has Italian interests to think about, so that might be a further synergy.

    Another factor, if you'll excuse the pun, is that bike manufacturers often insist on certain favoured riders or nationalities so it can also depend how far teams are willing to accommodate that.

    Look is an obvious possibility if it is already over the mauling it took over the #fortuneo mess. After all, AG2R has not shown itself to be too discerning in the past, going with Kuota and Focus in bygone days. Who else wants a bigger piece of the French bike market?
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    Re: Team Sponsorship 18/19
    « Reply #57 on: September 08, 2018, 18:50 »
    If you didn't watch Quebec you will have missed Gord Fraser sounding quite optimistic about the future of Silber. He didn't want to jinx it by going into details, but it sounded like he has a few irons in the fire. Watch this space.

    He mentioned as well that Holowesko are also suffering from sponsorship issues going forward into 2019. That doesn't come as too much of a surprise. They very much PCT-lite with not much success this year to show for their efforts. It's all California's fault.
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    Re: Team Sponsorship 18/19
    « Reply #58 on: September 10, 2018, 20:16 »
    He mentioned as well that Holowesko are also suffering from sponsorship issues going forward into 2019. That doesn't come as too much of a surprise. They very much PCT-lite with not much success this year to show for their efforts. It's all California's fault.

    Confirmation of those troubles.

    https://twitter.com/Cyclingnewsfeed/status/1039216587121877000

    That's two teams definitely gone (UHC and Jelly Belly) and another two on the skids (Silber and Holowesko). It will be tough for those left unemployed and who want to stay in NA. I read earlier in the year, when Jelly Belly announced their demise, that Elevate were happy working with the riders they already had and 303 Project basically couldn't afford the riders without some increased sponsorship of their own.

    There's always the possibility of course that a domestic team (Gateway Harley-Davidson, Elbowz, Marc Pro etc) could seize the opportunity of these cheap and available riders and make the step up to CT, but we'll have to wait and see on that.
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    Re: Team Sponsorship 18/19
    « Reply #59 on: September 12, 2018, 05:40 »
    http://www.radsport-news.com/sport/sportnews_111751.htm

    German outfit Radteam Herrmann moving up to CT. Also joining them will be P&S Team Thüringen (a direct descendant of Thüringer Energie Team?)
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