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Primož Roglič: The Next Big Thing?
« on: July 31, 2018, 13:58 »
In Primož Roglič, are we witnessing a once-in-a-generation cyclist? How high will this extraordinary athlete soar? For someone who apparently didn't even own a bike until the age of twenty-two, in just six years he very nearly landed himself on the podium in Paris. Much like Peter Sagan, he seems to be in possession of tremendous natural ability that is equal to his youthful enthusiasm. With his combination of good looks, a dynamic and fearless riding style, a very likable personality, and an effective grasp of English, there seems to be no limit to both his potential achievements on the bike as well as his popularity off the bike.

I hadn't followed his meteoric rise as closely as I'm sure some others have, and will openly admit to only recently becoming aware of the details of his story, but it would appear, given all that we've seen thus far, that Primož Roglič may very well be one of the greatest talents to come along in quite some time.

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    Re: Prime Roglič: The Next Big Thing?
    « Reply #1 on: August 01, 2018, 11:27 »
    In Primož Roglič, are we witnessing a once-in-a-generation cyclist? How high will this extraordinary athlete soar? For someone who apparently didn't even own a bike until the age of twenty-two, in just six years he very nearly landed himself on the podium in Paris. Much like Peter Sagan, he seems to be in possession of tremendous natural ability that is equal to his youthful enthusiasm. With his combination of good looks, a dynamic and fearless riding style, a very likable personality, and an effective grasp of English, there seems to be no limit to both his potential achievements on the bike as well as his popularity off the bike.

    I hadn't followed his meteoric rise as closely as I'm sure some others have, and will openly admit to only recently becoming aware of the details of his story, but it would appear, given all that we've seen thus far, that Primož Roglič may very well be one of the greatest talents to come along in quite some time.

    No, I don't think he's a once-in-a-generation cyclist but he's clearly very strong and, after this Tour, I think we have yet to see his limits. Until last month, I was convinced that he couldn't hold on for more than a top-10 in a GT but now I'm not so sure.

    Roglic seems really awkward in front of the media at races with his diffident, often circular statements but in the video he comes across as a much more articulate, thoughtful person and we also get a strong hint of the motivations that drive him.
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    Re: Primož Roglič: The Next Big Thing?
    « Reply #2 on: August 01, 2018, 20:07 »
    No, I don't think he's a once-in-a-generation cyclist...

    But can you think of any other cyclist that entered the game so late in life and then rose so rapidly through the ranks?

    Physiology is one thing, but bike handling and race savvy quite another. It's the latter that I think impresses me more than the former. It would seem that at this point he only requires some very minor improvements (relatively speaking) to be the one to beat. At his age, and given the short amount of time he's been involved with the sport, those improvements would seem to be well within his reach. It will be most interesting to see what he accomplishes in the next few years.
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    Re: Primož Roglič: The Next Big Thing?
    « Reply #3 on: August 02, 2018, 04:04 »
    No, I don't think he's a once-in-a-generation cyclist but he's clearly very strong and, after this Tour, I think we have yet to see his limits.  . . .

    But can you think of any other cyclist that entered the game so late in life and then rose so rapidly through the ranks?

    Physiology is one thing, but bike handling and race savvy quite another. . . .

    Bike handling and race savvy are mostly learned skills. I don't put so much value on his switch. There's a lot of crossover skills between the two. And six years is a LONG time.

    I don't think he's another Sagan. Sagan IS a once-in-a-generation cyclist - if not even better. Roglic could, IMO, end up being a multi-GT winner - we just don't know yet - unless you have a better crystal ball than I do!. But he does have some of the talent that being a GT winner takes. We'll see.
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    Re: Primož Roglič: The Next Big Thing?
    « Reply #4 on: August 03, 2018, 05:39 »
    Prime's accent when speaking English is definitely easier on the ear than Sagan's. :-x

    Here's a question though (for t-72 probably), but what sort of training do ski jumpers generally do apart from the obvious throwing themselves through the air off a hill? Some normal skiing presumably and then any old cardio to keep the weight down?
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    Re: Primož Roglič: The Next Big Thing?
    « Reply #5 on: August 03, 2018, 07:29 »
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    Re: Primož Roglič: The Next Big Thing?
    « Reply #6 on: August 03, 2018, 17:56 »
    vid of "skispringer" training.

    I think I remember seeing that one somewhere before. ;)
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    Re: Primož Roglič: The Next Big Thing?
    « Reply #7 on: August 08, 2018, 22:08 »
    Prime's accent when speaking English is definitely easier on the ear than Sagan's. :-x

    Here's a question though (for t-72 probably), but what sort of training do ski jumpers generally do apart from the obvious throwing themselves through the air off a hill? Some normal skiing presumably and then any old cardio to keep the weight down?

    Sorry for late reply, blaming vacation.
    First and foremost: Ski jumping is a MENTAL sport. If anyone can control their nerves and take calculated risks under immense pressure, it is ski jumpers. You have seen those american-inspired extreme skiing movies where skiers drop off a cliff on a steep mountainside? I don't want to talk down what they are doing, but compared to elite ski jumping, that's easy. They check their speed as they approach the jump, generally don't go very far and then rely on a combination of steep and soft landing to save their butt/back/knees from a hard landing.
    In elite ski jumping, the so-called ski flying competitions, you lock the skis in a deep grooved "tramtrack", you can't check your speed (except by standing up, which is not at all recommendable...): at the start, you can only go more or less ALL IN or some sort of disaster will follow.
     
    ALL IN in this case means SUPER-AERODYNAMIC tuck to go as fast as possible in a straight line down to the jump. They spend an awful lot of time perfecting this position because speed at the jump is the energy to go far. I think this is one of Rogla's advantages in the time trials: he must have spent more time on aerodynamics than any of his contemporaries (but not on a bike). He probably has a very good feeling for what the fast position is.

    Third possible advantage from ski-jumping is weight management, that's a lot of the same as for climbers, a low weight to surface ratio is favored in ski jumping. Ski jumpers are generally lighter than cyclists.

    What is uncommon for ski jumpers is to have good endurance and high oxygen uptake as required for elite cycling. In general ski jumpers have approximately the aerobic capacity of your neighborhood's chainsmoker (this  quoting one of the Norwegian national team ski jumpers when asked about Roglic last year, some self-irony included :) ).

    To sum it up: the right weight, a very good feeling for aerodynamics and a head to take chances and handle high risk that may break others. We already saw him winning the final stage time trial in Romandie last year beating Porte simply by going much faster downhill. This was before Porte tumbled down the Chartreuse in the tour de France, just to illustrate the difference in risk tolerance between the two.

    As a GC racer, he has more similarities to Nibali than any of the Sky racers, but there is a big difference to Nibali when it comes to kilometers accumulated of experience since early youth days, and the diversity of technical and tactical skills that Nibali posesses. Nevertheless, a course for Nibali will probably be a good one for Roglic too - would love to see them head to head in the Giro next year.  :shh
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    Re: Primož Roglič: The Next Big Thing?
    « Reply #8 on: August 09, 2018, 00:05 »
    First and foremost: Ski jumping is a MENTAL sport. . . .

    If I could have liked that twice, I would have. Long - but worth reading, every word.
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    Re: Primož Roglič: The Next Big Thing?
    « Reply #9 on: August 16, 2018, 12:21 »
    I can see Primoz being very big in the next few years. If the time trial was closer to the start I feel he could've won it. Certainly a contender for a Grand Tour next year.
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    Re: Primož Roglič: The Next Big Thing?
    « Reply #10 on: May 10, 2019, 16:57 »
    Certainly a contender for a Grand Tour next year.

    Nevertheless, a course for Nibali will probably be a good one for Roglic too - would love to see them head to head in the Giro next year.

    And so here we are!  :)  :cool


    I've been terribly negligent in keeping this thread relevant, and, truth be told, I missed many of his early season accomplishments as they were unfolding.
     :flustered

    But there's no time like the present, and with only a matter of hours remaining before the 2019 Giro kicks off, I thought I had better update this thread...and quickly!
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    Re: Primož Roglič: The Next Big Thing?
    « Reply #11 on: May 10, 2019, 17:12 »
    Starting off the 2019 season with a bang, Primož Roglič, the Slovenian slayer,  dominated the first ever edition of the UAE Tour (24 February–2 March 2019) holding off another young upstart,  :P Alejandro Valverde, to take the overall GC. From winning the opening TTT, to securing a mountain-top victory on the penultimate stage, the Jumbo-Visma rider announced his form for the start of the 2019 season, and would only reinforce that in the weeks and months to come.



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    Next up was Tirreno-Adriatico, that took place between 13 and 19 March 2019.

    Although not winning any individual stages, it was the potent time trialling skills of Primož that allowed him to secure yet another multi-stage race victory, holding off the best efforts of Adam Yates on the final day, and claiming his own Trident to add to his collection of trophies.




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    The following months would see continued Slovenian success at the 2019 Tour de Romandie that took place between 30 April and 5 May.

    Winning three stages, including the final Individual Time Trial, (beating new Hour Record holder Victor Campenaerts by 13 seconds along the way!) Primož Roglič would once again stamp his authority on the race for the second consecutive year, holding off Rui Costa and Geraint Thomas for the overall, and making him a favorite for the upcoming Giro d'Italia.



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    Re: Primož Roglič: The Next Big Thing?
    « Reply #12 on: May 10, 2019, 18:22 »
    The only other pressing question is, who does 29-year-old Primož most closely resemble?  :P





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    Re: Primož Roglič: The Next Big Thing?
    « Reply #13 on: May 12, 2019, 05:20 »
    I know we're only one day into this latest adventure, but it appears that this thread may be answering itself.  :P


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    Primož Roglič (Jumbo-Visma) won the opening stage of the Giro d’Italia, blitzing the eight-kilometre course in Bologna to take the first pink jersey of the race. The Slovenian was the only man to break the 13-minute barrier on the stage, which included a two-kilometre, 9.7 per cent climb to the finish.




    A devastating performance — Primož Roglič (Team Jumbo-Visma) in the opening time trial of the 2019 Giro d’Italia confirms he is the rider to beat in this year’s Giro d’Italia after just eight kilometres of racing.
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    Re: Primož Roglič: The Next Big Thing?
    « Reply #14 on: May 12, 2019, 10:35 »
    Starting off the 2019 season with a bang, Primož Roglič, the Slovenian slayer,  dominated the first ever edition of the UAE Tour (24 February–2 March 2019) holding off another young upstart,  :P Alejandro Valverde, to take the overall GC.

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    Next up was Tirreno-Adriatico, that took place between 13 and 19 March 2019.


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    The following months would see continued Slovenian success at the 2019 Tour de Romandie that took place between 30 April and 5 May.
    It just so happens that I was doing the Radsport-News live-ticker for the UAE Tour, Tirreno-Adriatico, and Tour de Romandie.
    Roglic won all three.

    I'm not live-tickering the Giro.
    The logical conclusion is ... despite an impressive starting ITT, he won't win the Giro. :P
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    Re: Primož Roglič: The Next Big Thing?
    « Reply #15 on: May 12, 2019, 12:05 »
    Roglic to win every stage.
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    Re: Primož Roglič: The Next Big Thing?
    « Reply #16 on: May 12, 2019, 20:38 »
    It just so happens that I was doing the Radsport-News live-ticker for the UAE Tour, Tirreno-Adriatico, and Tour de Romandie.
    Roglic won all three.

    I'm not live-tickering the Giro.
    The logical conclusion is ... despite an impressive starting ITT, he won't win the Giro. :P

    Okay, so Nibali won the Giro in 2013. Nibali won the Giro in 2016. It's 2019.
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    Re: Primož Roglič: The Next Big Thing?
    « Reply #17 on: August 21, 2019, 18:53 »
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    With the 2019 Vuelta in sight, I thought this a good time for a bump.

    Is Primož healthy? Well rested? Fired up for this Spanish Grand Tour?

    His team looks stronger than what he had supporting him for the Giro, and Movistar seems destined to get in their own way with the trio of Carapaz, Quintana and Valverde, especially since this race falls closer to the departure time for some of them.

    Although, as the race gets more "Vuelta-y," I have to think that the more extreme climbs will favor Carapaz over Rogič. But if they're both on good form, theirs could be the battle that makes this interesting.

    I'm also very curious to see how Sep Kuss and Robert Gesink perform. The entire team is no doubt hungry to start things off with a bang at the opening TTT, so that extra motivation should provide some nice momentum coming into this last GT of the season.

    With the inopportune mechanical, and some reported sickness, we didn't see Primož at his best in the Giro. But if he brings his best to Spain, and the team remains healthy and as strong as it looks on paper, then this race could be his to lose.
     :cool

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    Re: Primož Roglič: The Next Big Thing?
    « Reply #18 on: August 22, 2019, 01:05 »
    New inspiration, it looks like.  :)

     I guess we know what he's been doing since racing his bike.

    https://twitter.com/rogla/status/1141434145945595904
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    Re: Primož Roglič: The Next Big Thing?
    « Reply #19 on: September 16, 2019, 02:26 »
    Well, well, well... :D


    Interesting bookend to this season.
    Back in February, at the UAE Tour, the two generations were just getting acquainted.  :P






    Fast-forward to Sepptember, and La Vuelta España... :win


    https://twitter.com/lavuelta/status/1173348263308619776




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