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The Remco Evenepoel Evolution Thread
« on: September 28, 2018, 09:52 »
So now that Remco became the very first Junior World Champion both in ITT and in the in-line race since the 1994 creation of the ITT Worlds, time to dedicate a thread to him.

Remco Evenepoel is the son of Patrick Evenepoel who won the 1993 GP Wallonia, his greatest victory.

Last year I discovered a YT clip of Evenepoel sr 's victory:
With commentaries by a young Rodrigo Beenkens of RTBF and the late Claude Criquielion.

Patrick Evenepoel seemed to have made a great Tour of Spain before (when still raced in April/May, the GP Wallonia back then was held on Ascension Day) attacked on the first ascent of the Citadelle and his teammate Benjamin Van Itterbeeck blocked the chase (while he was meant to be his leader). At that time they had to climb it twice in the finale and finish was on the "Esplanade" a bit lower on the climb than it is today. Brings back memories of former riders too: Mario De Clercq was still a full time road racer and Mexican Miguel Arroyo who like Patrick could not match expectations due to the EPO era.

Patrick was born in Etterbeek, so a pure-blood Brusseler, with Dutch as first language but extremely fluent in French, just like Remco. There aren't too many riders coming from Brussels. Jean-Marie Wampers who was his DS at Collstrop at that race is another case. You can also think of Philippe Thys, Eddy Merckx could be considered Brusseler while Émile Daems was born in Wallonia but raised in Brussels if I'm not mistaken. According to this Het Laatste Nieuws article about Remco, Patrick was able drop the likes of Gianni Bugno and Michele Bartoli uphill as an amateur rider. However I question the reliability of this article. It says that Patrick turned pro in 1989 while he did in 1992 and Bugno was already a pro rider when Patrick joined the amateur ranks (so perhaps that happened in an open race).

Anyway Patrick Evenepoel had to retire from professional cycling after three seasons (1992, 1993 & 1994) under advise from cardiologist Pr. Brugada (who later adised Johan Vansummeren to retire) as he had to start training harder and harder to keep up with EPO dopers.

During yesterday's live coverage, José De Cauwer claimed that Patrick did not leave cycling disappointed. "If it's the way it is", he said. He could start his own plaster work business right away after.

Remco Evenepoel started playing football at age 5. He was born in Schepdael, which is just outside Brussels, close to the Anderlecht district of Brussels. So naturally he played for Anderlecht, then 4 years in the Netherlands at the PSV Eindhoven (at age 11) was selected for the national team and then back to Anderlecht, but too often sitting on the bench due to an injury, moved Mechelen in early 2017 but lost the pleasure and retired from football before the end of the season. So he cycled for the first time on 2 April 2017. Five days later he came second in the Provincial ITT championship (Flemish Brabant), lost a lot of time at the start as he missed two turns. In August he wins the queen stage at the Tour of the Basque Country and another stage at Aubel-Thimister-La Gleize (2.1), a nice Ardennes stage. The rest is history 34 victories in 44 race days.  :o

Lire la suite : https://www.directvelo.com/actualite/60619/le-coup-d-envoi-de-remco-evenepoel

According to testing, Remco is more a classic rider but he considers himself a GT rider, good climber and as we could see a terrific ITT (so far). He'll have a contract with Quick Step next year, straight from junior ranks to elite, so let us see.
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    Re: The Remco Evenepoel Evolution Thread
    « Reply #1 on: October 06, 2018, 15:28 »


    https://www.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/dmf20181005_03813205

    Remco Evenepoel: “Ik heb nog nooit alcohol gedronken. Ook geen champagne bij mijn wereldtitel”

    Remco Evenepoel: "I still have never drunk any alcohol. Not even champagne after my world title"  :cool

    Along with yours truly, Remco is among the very few alcohol haters in Brussels.  :lol Though I did drink but occasionally and not with great pleasure.  ;)

    “Ja, ik ga geld verdienen volgend jaar. Maar het is de bedoeling om een zo stabiel mogelijk leven te leiden. Ik zou bij manier van spreken ook gratis profrenner willen zijn.”

    "Yeah I'm going to earn money, next year. But the aim is to lead a life that is as stable as possible. So to speak I could also have been a pro rider for free."  :o
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    Re: The Remco Evenepoel Evolution Thread
    « Reply #2 on: October 07, 2018, 12:07 »
    "Yeah I'm going to earn money, next year. But the aim is to lead a life that is as stable as possible. So to speak I could also have been a pro rider for free."  :o
    Remco, Remco ...
    It's great to see that he knows that money isn't everything, and therefore is unlikely to chase the biggest contract without regard for whether it's actually a good offer on the sporting side.

    But without any money, nothing is anything - he should definitely take the money they offer him.
     :)
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    Re: The Remco Evenepoel Evolution Thread
    « Reply #3 on: March 28, 2019, 21:25 »
    uhm and now... this can't be the way for developing a young rider, can it?

    https://twitter.com/cyclingweekly/status/1111365098503835649
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    Re: The Remco Evenepoel Evolution Thread
    « Reply #4 on: March 28, 2019, 23:02 »
    Pat’s not particularly up with modern parenting I shouldn’t think.
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    Re: The Remco Evenepoel Evolution Thread
    « Reply #5 on: March 29, 2019, 08:04 »
    there was a bit of it in Belgian press this week. Interesting that Cycling Weekly picks up a story one or two days after it has been negated already ;).

    What they say is correct though, Evenepoel is 3kg or 4kg heavier than last year, but apparently it was not meant to be said in a negative way, more like stating facts, and putting results into perspective

    https://www.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/dmf20190327_04284797
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    Re: The Remco Evenepoel Evolution Thread
    « Reply #6 on: March 31, 2019, 09:48 »
    Quoted for context:
    Didn't this issue just come up with a young rider? I can't seem to remember who it was, or where that post is.


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    Re: The Remco Evenepoel Evolution Thread
    « Reply #7 on: August 04, 2019, 01:05 »


    So he cycled for the first time on 2 April 2017.
    Five days later he came second in the Provincial ITT championship (Flemish Brabant), lost a lot of time at the start as he missed two turns. In August he wins the queen stage at the Tour of the Basque Country and another stage at Aubel-Thimister-La Gleize (2.1), a nice Ardennes stage.

    The rest is history 34 victories in 44 race days.  :o

    That is really quite astounding!  :cool

    https://twitter.com/ammattipyoraily/status/1157675156212465665

    https://twitter.com/inrng/status/1157675361645355008
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    Re: The Remco Evenepoel Evolution Thread
    « Reply #8 on: August 04, 2019, 11:53 »
    As I said in the Clasica San Sebastian thread, Rik Van Steenbergen is the other example I have in mind of a rider winning a high-regarded single-day pro race as a teen.

    Winning the 1944 Tour of Flanders at age 19 years 7 months and 24 days. But this was during WWII when the field was very weak. So Remco's performance is much crazier. This being said, Rik I had also won the Championship of Flanders (Koolskamp) and the Nationals (on the road and on the track) before.

    Henri Cornet won the 1904 Tour of France at age 19 years 11 months 20 days, following the disqualification of four riders.

    Eddy Merckx only won a kermess in Vilvoorde as a teen while a pro.

    In the Sporza live coverage, the commentator referred to Georges Ronsse winning Liège-Bastogne-Liège at age 19 in 1925 but that edition of Liège-Bastogne was strictly reserved to the so-called "indépendants" (at that time, amateur riders who could race with pros). So nothing to compare to Remco's achievement today.

    I can't think a comparable performance at that age before really.
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    Re: The Remco Evenepoel Evolution Thread
    « Reply #9 on: August 04, 2019, 13:02 »
     Classy move.
    No, not the race winning attack.
    Ditching his long term girlfriend just before moving to Monaco. :s
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    Re: The Remco Evenepoel Evolution Thread
    « Reply #10 on: August 05, 2019, 04:03 »
    High praise, indeed. I'm just not sure how anyone can live up to these kinds of expectations.

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    Evenepoel’s victory generated headlines across Europe and not just in his native Belgium, where, during the week, copious column inches had already been dedicated to his decision to move either to Andorra or Monaco in the coming months. “A Star Is Born,” trumpeted the headline in La Gazzetta dello Sport, while L’Équipe heralded “the emergence of an ace.”

    On social media, outgoing French national coach Cyrille Guimard was enthusiastic in describing the qualities of Evenepoel, a rider he first observed at the Trophée Centre Morbihan last year. “He’s not the new Merckx but Merckx plus Hinault with a taste of Bernal and [French footballer Kylian] Mbappé,” Guimard wrote on Twitter. “A pity for those who dream of winning the Tour after 2020 or of winning the Olympics in Tokyo.”

    Roger De Vlaeminck has never been shy of casting a critical eye over his successor in Belgian cycling, but he joined the chorus of praise for Evenepoel following his San Sebastian victory. De Vlaeminck himself won a Classic in his first season as a neo-professional – Omloop Het Volk in 1969 – though at the age of 21.

    “I said for years that we had two super athletes with Van der Poel and Van Aert. This year it has finally been proven, and a third has now been added with Remco. He and Van Aert are the two future champions we have in Belgium.”

    It's endlessly fascinating how there's always new talent emerging. But only in the rarest of incidents does the promise of greatness actually materialize. Only time will tell with Remco, although he's certainly off to a good start.
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    Re: The Remco Evenepoel Evolution Thread
    « Reply #11 on: August 05, 2019, 16:02 »
    If it doesn’t work out for him individually, he can always get a role on the Ineos mountain train.
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    Re: The Remco Evenepoel Evolution Thread
    « Reply #12 on: August 11, 2019, 21:36 »
    Ditching his long term girlfriend just before moving to Monaco. :s

    So apparently nothing has been decided about the move to Monaco yet. Perhaps he might even stay in Belgium but at the moment he and his team consider moving to Andorra along with Julian Alaphilippe, which would be a perfect place as you can sleep at 1,800m high.
    https://www.wielerkrant.be/nieuws/2019-08-09/lefevere-heeft-optie-in-contract-al-gelicht-met-handshake-remco-en-zijn-ouders-zullen-hun-woord-nooit-breken

    Remco has also agreed to extend his contract with Quick Step until 2022. Remco and his family wouldn't break their word, says Lefevere.
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    Re: The Remco Evenepoel Evolution Thread
    « Reply #13 on: August 12, 2019, 03:57 »
    High praise, indeed. I'm just not sure how anyone can live up to these kinds of expectations.

    It's endlessly fascinating how there's always new talent emerging. But only in the rarest of incidents does the promise of greatness actually materialize. Only time will tell with Remco, although he's certainly off to a good start.
    You are absolutely right. But this time, I think we do have a mother lode of talent coming of age. I've got nothing but intuition to back it, but what I'm feeling is that we've got talent like we haven't seen in 30 years or more. Meh, who knows, I'm probably wrong! But, hey, they make it fun to speculate.
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    Re: The Remco Evenepoel Evolution Thread
    « Reply #15 on: February 25, 2020, 02:40 »
    Some interesting comparisons between Evenepoel and Merckx.
    They touch on Remco at a couple different points in the video.

    Evenepoel: The Reality Exceeds The Hype | GCN Racing News Show
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    Re: The Remco Evenepoel Evolution Thread
    « Reply #16 on: August 16, 2020, 11:55 »
    Classy move.
    No, not the race winning attack.
    Ditching his long term girlfriend just before moving to Monaco. :s

    Not that it matters too much but reading through the news about his yesterday horrible crash, I realised that he still was with her.
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    Re: The Remco Evenepoel Evolution Thread
    « Reply #17 on: August 21, 2020, 14:15 »
    Remco is busy revalidating. It seems to evolve well and he can already make a few hesitant steps (at 0.24). Confirmation if need be that his season is over, though.

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    Re: The Remco Evenepoel Evolution Thread
    « Reply #18 on: November 18, 2020, 19:30 »
    Remco is back training, and having great fun, in the Costa Blanca, (Calpe, Altea), Spain. It seems like he will spend all winter in Spain. He can climb mountain pass again. It seems like he has fully recovered from the crash.

    https://www.wielerkrant.be/nieuws/2020-11-18/training-in-calpe-doet-evenepoel-deugd-het-plezier-straalt-er-van-af

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    Re: The Remco Evenepoel Evolution Thread
    « Reply #19 on: August 26, 2021, 17:09 »
    60 km solo breakaway to win the Grape Race / Druivenkoers / Course du Raisin, in Overijse, in his own Brabant. That's about as long as Philippe Gilbert's solo at the 2017 Tour of Flanders.

    And race interrupted by a car on fire alongside.


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    Re: The Remco Evenepoel Evolution Thread
    « Reply #20 on: August 28, 2021, 20:02 »
    Remco on fire is now winning Paris-Brussels (yes, let's call it that way, looks better on his resume). Who'd have thought this race was within his reach.
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    Re: The Remco Evenepoel Evolution Thread
    « Reply #21 on: October 06, 2021, 12:21 »
    https://www.msn.com/fr-be/sport/other/wout-van-aert-enfonce-le-clou-apr%C3%A8s-les-d%C3%A9clarations-d-evenepoel-remco-n-a-pas-fait-ce-qu-on-lui-a-demand%C3%A9-aux-mondiaux/ar-AAPac3H?ocid=msedgntp

    Wout Van Aert was not happy about Remco's attitude during the Worlds. He claimed that it wasn't Remco's role to attack with 180 km  to go. It was Victor Campenaerts' role to do so, who was also ready to do it. Remco did not do what he was asked to do. Remco should improve communication. However Van Aert regret having to talk about it on TV, he would rather have talked to Remco in private about it. He still believes that they can race together in the future but that they should talk better.

    However Remco surely was not the cause of his defeat. Stuyven did better than him while also racing for Belgium. But I don't think Wout would claim that.

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    And of course an amazing victory at the Coppa Bernocchi, 40 km solo ride and 135 km breakaway initially with Fausto Masnada, Thibaut Pinot, Covi, Battistella and Puppio

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    Re: The Remco Evenepoel Evolution Thread
    « Reply #22 on: October 06, 2021, 12:55 »
    I'm really not sure yet what to think about Remco. He is strong for sure, but the main "tactics" he seems to use - no matter if as a leader or dom - is "head down and full gas". It works fine on races with lesser competition, not so much on first class ones. Maybe a year in between (at lower level than WT) would have helped to develop him into a better, more versatile cyclist in the end?!
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    Re: The Remco Evenepoel Evolution Thread
    « Reply #23 on: October 07, 2021, 09:27 »
    Maybe a year in between (at lower level than WT) would have helped to develop him into a better, more versatile cyclist in the end?!
    I don't think it would have. He would simply have used the same 'tactic', won lots of races that way, and been even more sought-after by WT teams.

    His problem is that, until now, he never had to learn tactics. "Head down and full gas" was more than enough to dominate the junior scene, and still is enough to win WT races occasionally - but it is an extremely limited arsenal. He only has that one card to play.

    It reminds me a bit of Van der Poel when he came to the road. Mathieu quickly learned to race differently, though he is still prone to doing too much work for his own good.
    However, Remco and Mathieu have been doing road races at the highest level for the same amount of time, since 2019. Before that, Van der Poel's road calendar was preparation for the 'cross season.
    So Mathieu's learning curve is steeper than that of Remco in this regard - to be fair, he is also five years older.

    Time will tell if Evenepoel can develop into a bike racer or if he will always stay 'someone who's in a bike race and very good at pedalling fast'.
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    Re: The Remco Evenepoel Evolution Thread
    « Reply #24 on: October 07, 2021, 22:30 »
    Perhaps also that might be the best tactics for him at this point. Let's not forget that Remco doesn't have a sprint. As Rodrigo Beenkens would say, in a tree-man breakaway that would sprint for the win, he finishes fourth. Does he have enough explosiveness for a late attack in the final climbs of a race ? Not so sure. Or perhaps ? How did he win San Sebastian ? I think he did wait, didn't he? Also surely being a late-comer to the sport of cycling, he might miss some basics in terms of tactics and bike-handling skills. Van der Poel does have a sprint or can late-attack but in his case I guess it's a matter of temperament and impatience. Evenepoel doesn't have the same skills.

    But let us see next Saturday. The Tour of Lombardy is the major classics that is best suited for a long range attacks (along with Paris-Roubaix but Paris-Roubaix is not suited to Remco's morphology).
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    Re: The Remco Evenepoel Evolution Thread
    « Reply #25 on: October 14, 2021, 00:45 »
    Three years ago, article from Het Nieuwsblad (2nd post on this thread), Remco says something like "I don't care too much for money, money can't buy me love". Now, I've got this ad pretty much every time I open Youtube.  :lol


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    Edit : put it in a spoiler because I don't know if advertisement are allowed on VR, sorry about that.
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    Re: The Remco Evenepoel Evolution Thread
    « Reply #26 on: September 11, 2022, 12:42 »
    The Brussels Grand-Place/Grote Markt is now turned red to celebrate Remco's imminent victory at the Tour of Spain.

    https://twitter.com/PhilippeClose/status/1568678356425621505

    There's also a high screen on the Place de la Bourse/Beursplein to watch the final race (it should be said, Brussels is really not a cycling city). Even RTBF are changing their schedule to cover the final two stages. :D

    The first Belgian GT victory in 44 years, they say. Since Johan De Muynck won the Tour of Italy in 1978 ! Let us just remember that in those days there were only 2 GT's : the Tours of France and of Italy. Nobody in those days would even consider the Tour of Spain as a GT. Only since 1990 is the Tour of Spain well established as a GT. So it could be argued whether Remco's probable victory this afternoon would be as prestigious as De Muynck's victory as now you have three possibilities to win one while back then, you only had two of them. It's open to debate whether the current Tour of Spain equal is to the Tour of Italy or not but 44 years ago, it definitely wasn't.

    Remco Evenepoel is however the first Belgian to win the Tour of Spain since Freddy Maertens in 1977. But then you might say that his achievement is a lot more valuable as Maertens won it against such a depleted field with fewer steep mountain climbs (he did climb up to the Sierra Nevada if I'm not mistaken). The fact he won with an unbreakable record 13 stages is testament of a depleted field.

    By the way, I gathered all Belgian top10 results at the Tour of Spain since the Maertens victory. It seems frightening how poor Belgian stage race cycling has been since the early eighties. Even today, behind Remco, there's nothing.

    1977 : Freddy Maertens 1
    1977 : Michel Pollentier 6
    1978 : Ferdi Vandenhaute 6
    1979 : Michel Pollentier 2
    1979 : Lucien Van Impe 5
    1979 : Fons De Wolf 9
    1980 : Claude Criquielion 3
    1980 : Guido Van Calster 6
    1980 : Johan De Muynck 7
    1982 : Michel Pollentier 2
    1988 : Eddy Schepers 9
    1993 : Johan Bruyneel 9
    1995 : Johan Bruyneel 3
    2011 : Maxime Monfort 6
    2011 : Jurgen Van den Broeck 8
    2022 : Remco Evenepoel 1
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    Re: The Remco Evenepoel Evolution Thread
    « Reply #27 on: September 29, 2022, 18:03 »
    Remco is racing Binche-Chimay-Binche next Tuesday 4 October as first race with the rainbow jersey on (By the way, I'm just wondering if it is really his first race ever with rainbow jersey as he was junior World champion in 2018 but turned pro right afterwards).

    For that matter, safety is strengthened around the race : https://www.lesoir.be/467995/article/2022-09-27/remco-evenepoel-participera-binche-chimay-binche-la-securite-de-la-course-sera

    According to former rider and D.S. Jean-Luc Vandenbroucke who is also the organiser of the race, it is the very first time that Binche-Chimay-Binche (formerly known as Binche-Tournai-Binche) welcomes a World champion in its peloton.
    https://www.lesoir.be/468007/article/2022-09-27/binche-chimay-binche-remco-evenepoel-sera-notre-premier-champion-du-monde


    Vandenbroucke sold his race as the last  Belgian race of Philippe Gilbert's career and granted him the #1 dossard as honorary award but all of a sudden, he's got an impressive field with Philippe Gilbert, Remco Evenepoel, Greg Van Avermaet, Chistophe Laporte, Mads Pedersen, Yves Lampaert, Jasper Stuyven, Arnaud De Lie, Oliver Naesen, Fernando Gaviria, Arnaud Démare and Tim Merlier ...
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    Re: The Remco Evenepoel Evolution Thread
    « Reply #28 on: October 02, 2022, 14:08 »
    Remco Evenepoel has been made citizen of honour of the town of Dilbeek (Schepdael where he is from is officially part of the town of Dilbeek, used to be a town of its own but in the late seventies towns have merged in Belgium).



    And at 3.15pm CET (so 6 minutes from now), he'll be celebrated on the Grand Place/Grote Markt of Brussels (I don't know if you can call it Main Square in English ??). That will be streamed live on RTBF Auvio (possibly also on some Dutch-speaking media). You can have the show on this link :

    https://www.rtbf.be/article/remco-evenepoel-fete-a-dilbeek-avant-les-celebrations-sur-la-grand-place-de-bruxelles-direct-video-15h15-11076435


    Edit : Really impressive. The square is over crowded, a bit like after Eddy Merckx won his first Tour of France, 53 years before. Sure, there will be pictures and footages of it after the celebrations are over.
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    « Reply #29 on: October 02, 2022, 19:46 »
    The Grand Place/Grote Markt of Brussels in 1969 and in 2022. The buildings have been nicely restored  :cool :



    You wouldn't make a selfie in 1969  :lol



    10,000 people estimated on the square !

    Again then and now :




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