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2019-2021 Emerging Riders CQ Game
« on: December 31, 2018, 21:16 »
Fernando Gaviria, Gianni Moscon, Lilian Calmejeane, Marc Soler, and Egan Bernal are riders to be taken seriously in any race they enter and Richard Carapaz and Enric Mas have come 4th and 2nd in GTs this year.  But three years ago each of them were only beginning to make their names known.  They were among the top scorers in the recently finished 2016-2018 edition of the game, so the challenge to us all is to find those riders we will be speaking of in the same way as 2022 dawns.


Your Team is to consist of 18 male riders, each of whom has a maximum of 199 CQ points through their career, (so long as that total is not kept low because of results removed under doping sanctions)

Here is a very long list of people who have appeared in CQ listings but without reaching 200 points: you may of course want to select riders who have never appeared.  It also includes a list of those who crossed the 200 threshhold during 2018 which might help you to remove some riders from your thinking.  I'll try to make lists of those eligible that appear in the Main and Youth CQ games that might be more manageable when the selection lists for those games are released.

Submit your team by PM to me, before the beginning of the Tour Down Under on January 15 (NB:This is earlier than previously, so be careful not to miss it).   As usual, names in CQ format please, with nothing else on the line. If the rider has no CQ page, then hope that SURNAME Forename is what CQ will go with (and if not I'll hopefully be able to track him down eventually).

My team has been sent to Jon Ezeitza, who submitted his team before I actually launched the game. I reserve the right to adjust it in the case of a rider emerging Gaviria-like before the deadline (although with the earlier deadline that should be less likely).

The score is CQ points gained over the next three years (the less-than-200 points before the game don't count) , the end of 2021 update being the end. I might need to be alerted to points from one year that are deleted the next. I aim to give updates monthly, but I usually fail in that when the GT games are on.

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Enjoy, and see whether potential and hype are turned into results.
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  • « Last Edit: January 14, 2019, 00:25 by Armchair Cyclist »

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    Re: 2019-2021 Emerging Riders CQ Game
    « Reply #1 on: January 05, 2019, 02:15 »
    Skidmark's great work on the 2019 CQ game brings to light 148 names eligible for this game who have been considered worth selecting in that game. That shortlist might be useful to you, and is on the dropbox spreadsheet mentioned on the first post.

    And if you missed the deadline for that game, you still have plenty of time for this one..
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    Re: 2019-2021 Emerging Riders CQ Game
    « Reply #2 on: January 05, 2019, 23:16 »
    I'm second guessing two spots on the team. Hope to get it in tomorrow.
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    Re: 2019-2021 Emerging Riders CQ Game
    « Reply #3 on: January 06, 2019, 18:05 »
    As well as 148 riders from the Main Game selectees, the Youth game has added 67 more to give you a fairly long shortlist in the Dropbox spreadsheet alongside the very longlist.

    Post Merge: January 06, 2019, 22:29

    Of course, they don't have to be from that shortlist, that is just trying to help.  On the 15 teams submitted so far, we have 107 different riders named, 19 of whom are in neither of the other games (presumably their managers see them really coming to the fore in year 2 or 3).

    51 of the 107 are unique picks, and at the top of the popularity, the riders are currently neatly paired off: two on 13* teams, then also two each on 9, 8 and 7 teams.
    Two teams share the top of the popularity rankings with 90% of the highest possible, while the lowest has 32% (and 12 unique picks at the moment).

    * Yep: "He" is not on every team, and someone else is as popular as him.  Surprised me.
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    Re: 2019-2021 Emerging Riders CQ Game
    « Reply #4 on: January 13, 2019, 13:29 »
    My team is in! :)

    Some stats:
    #worldtour 6.5 (see below)
    #proconti 5
    #conti 6
    #domestic 0.5 (WT contract from mid-year)

    *dk 6 :yuush
    *fr 2
    *no 2
    *uk 2
    *be 1
    *ca 1
    *cr 1
    *ee 1
    *fi 1
    *us 1

    1993 1
    1994 2
    1995 1
    1996 5
    1997 5
    1998 1
    1999 2
    2000 1

    Cumulative CQ points so far:
    175-200: 6
    150-174: 2
    125-149: 1
    100-124: 6
    50-99: 2
    0-49: 1
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    Re: 2019-2021 Emerging Riders CQ Game
    « Reply #5 on: January 13, 2019, 21:57 »
    Nice stats. I'll do the same with my team:

    #worldtour 5
    #proconti 5
    #conti 5
    #domestic 3

     *es 2
     *co 2
     *nl 2
     *be 2
     *gb 2
     *it 1
     *fi 1
     *fr 1
     *kz 1
     *mx 1
     *pt 1
     *dk 1
     *cz 1

    1995 1
    1996 4
    1997 2
    1998 6
    1999 3
    2000 2

    Cumulative CQ points so far:
    150-199: 1
    100-149: 7
    50-99: 4
    0-49: 6
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    Re: 2019-2021 Emerging Riders CQ Game
    « Reply #6 on: January 13, 2019, 22:10 »
    BTW

    I would prefer that this game were for under-100-points riders only. I think in that case, there will be more diversity of choices and more bold picks.
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    Re: 2019-2021 Emerging Riders CQ Game
    « Reply #7 on: January 14, 2019, 19:38 »
    I would prefer that this game were for under-100-points riders only. I think in that case, there will be more diversity of choices and more bold picks.

    Difficult to say if that would be true or not.

    The WT and PCT picks would probably get a bit more homogeneous if anything. The amount of CT picks would probably increase though and people might feel a bit more adventurous selecting them, but even then they may just stick to certain teams or riders that have been stagiaires or names they've seen doing well at Nat Cup races, l'Avenir etc

    Anyway I can't be bothered checking the ages or point brackets of mine. :D

    Here's the nationalities though:

    *de *de
    *pl
    *se
    *fr *fr *fr
    *nl *nl
    *it *it *it *it
    *au *au
    *ua
    *fi
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    Re: 2019-2021 Emerging Riders CQ Game
    « Reply #8 on: January 14, 2019, 20:20 »
    #worldtour 10
    #proconti 5
    #conti 2
    #domestic 1

    *it x8
    *be x2
    *fr x2
    *uk x2
    *pt x2
    *dk x1
    *us x1

    Why do I always end up with so many Italians in these games :?

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    Re: 2019-2021 Emerging Riders CQ Game
    « Reply #9 on: January 15, 2019, 00:33 »
    31 teams, 130 different riders, and here they are:

    Alykaptan
       AFFINI Edoardo   
       ARENSMAN Thymen   
       BADILATTI Matteo   
       BARCELO ARAGON Fernando   
       BATTISTELLA Samuele   
       BOUCHARD Geoffrey   
       DAINESE Alberto   
       DE BOD Stefan   
       DE DECKER Alfdan   
       EVENEPOEL Remco   
       GIBSON Matthew   
       LARSEN Niklas   
       LEKNESSUND Andreas   
       MOSCHETTI Matteo   
       MÜLLER Patrick   
       RODRIGUEZ GARAICOECHEA Oscar   
       TANFIELD Harry   
       VAN DEN BERG Julius   


    Amis Velo
       Affini edoardo   
       ALMEIDA Joao Pedro Gonçalves   
       BARCELO ARAGON Fernando   
       Dewulf Stan   
       Evenepoel Remco   
       Fabbro Matteo   
       HÄNNINEN Jaakko   
       HONORE Mikkel Frølich   
       Johansen Julius   
       Kooistra Marten   
       Maciejuk filip   
       Moschetti Matteo   
       OSORIO CARVAJAL Alejandro   
       RODRIGUEZ GARAICOECHEA Oscar   
       Seigle Romain   
       Tanfield Harry   
       Vacek Karel   
       Van Den Berg Julius   


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       AFFINI Edoardo   
       ARENSMAN Thymen   
       BARTA William   *
       BENNETT Sean   
       BOUCHARD Geoffrey   
       CONCI Nicola   
       DEWULF Stan   
       EVENEPOEL Remco   
       JOHANSEN Julius   
       MOSCHETTI Matteo   
       OLIVEIRA Rui Filipe Alves   
       PIDCOCK Thomas   
       RIVERA SERRANO Kevin   
       VAN DEN BERG Julius   
       VANHOUCKE Harm   
       VINGEGAARD RASMUSSEN Jonas   
       WARLOP Jordi   
       WILLIAMS Stephen   


    Blues in the Bottle

       AFFINI Edoardo   
       ALMEIDA Joao Pedro Gonçalves   
       BENNETT Sean   
       CARRETERO MILLAN Hector   *
       CASTRILLO ZAPATER Jaime   
       CONCI Nicola   
       DEWULF Stan   
       EVENEPOEL Remco   
       FLOREZ LOPEZ Miguel Eduardo   
       GREGAARD WILSLY Jonas   
       HONORE Mikkel Frølich   
       MOSCHETTI Matteo   
       MUÑOZ LANCHEROS Cristian Camilo   
       OLIVEIRA Rui Filipe Alves   
       SCOTSON Callum   
       VANHOUCKE Harm   
       VINGEGAARD RASMUSSEN Jonas   
       WILLIAMS Stephen   


    Comodoro
       AFFINI Edoardo   
       ARENSMAN Thymen   
       CONTRERAS PINZON Rodrigo   
       DE BOD Stefan   
       DEWULF Stan   
       DONOVAN Mark   
       EVENEPOEL Remco   
       GREGAARD WILSLY Jonas   
       HÄNNINEN Jaakko   
       HAYTER Ethan   
       MÄRKL Niklas   
       MÜLLER Patrick   
       OSORIO CARVAJAL Alejandro   
       PRONSKIY Vadim   
       RIVERA SERRANO Kevin   
       VANHOUCKE Harm   
       WHELAN James   
       WILLIAMS Stephen   


    Cordi
       ALMEIDA Joao Pedro Gonçalves   
       ARENSMAN Thymen   
       BARCELO ARAGON Fernando   
       CHAMPOUSSIN Clément   
       DEWULF Stan   
       DONOVAN Mark   
       EVENEPOEL Remco   
       HÄNNINEN Jaakko   
       HAYTER Ethan   
       JOHANSEN Julius   
       MOSCHETTI Matteo   
       MUÑOZ LANCHEROS Cristian Camilo   
       OSORIO CARVAJAL Alejandro   
       PRONSKIY Vadim   
       RODRIGUEZ GARAICOECHEA Oscar   
       Vacek Karel   
       VAN DEN BERG Julius   
       VILLALOBOS HERNANDEZ Luis Ricardo   


    Del 1962
       ALMEIDA Joao Pedro Gonçalves   
       ARENSMAN Thymen   
       BENNETT Sean   
       DE BOD Stefan   
       DEWULF Stan   
       DONOVAN Mark   
       EVENEPOEL Remco   
       GROVES Kaden   
       HÄNNINEN Jaakko   
       HAYTER Ethan   
       MOSCHETTI Matteo   
       PARET-PEINTRE Aurélien   
       PIDCOCK Thomas   
       RODRIGUEZ GARAICOECHEA Oscar   
       Vacek Karel
       VAN DEN BERG Julius   
       WHELAN James   
       WILLIAMS Stephen   


    DJW
       AFFINI Edoardo   
       BADILATTI Matteo   
       BENNETT Sean   
       BONIFAZIO Leonardo   *
       DE BOD Stefan   
       DEWULF Stan   
       FOSS Tobias Svendsen   
       HIGUITA GARCIA Sergio Andres   
       HONORE Mikkel Frølich   
       MERTZ Rémy   
       MOSCHETTI Matteo   
       OLIVEIRA Rui Filipe Alves   
       RICE Michael   *
       SCOTSON Callum   
       TANFIELD Harry   
       VAN DEN BERG Julius   
       VAN ROOY Kenneth   *
       WILLIAMS Stephen   


    Fauniera
       BADILATTI Matteo   
       BAGIOLI Andrea   
       CIMA Imerio   
       DAINESE Alberto   
       DEWULF Stan   
       EVENEPOEL Remco   
       FEDERSPIEL DANIEL   *
       GALL Felix   
       GARCIA SOSA Jhojan Orlando   
       GROVES Kaden   
       HÄNNINEN Jaakko   
       JOHANSEN Julius   
       LYU Xianjing   
       MÄRKL Niklas   
       MOSCHETTI Matteo   
       OSORIO CARVAJAL Alejandro   
       RIVERA SERRANO Kevin   
       RUBIO REYES Einer Augusto   

    Flo
       AFFINI Edoardo   
       ALMEIDA Joao Pedro Gonçalves   
       BAGIOLI Andrea   
       BARBIER Pierre   
       BENNETT Sean   
       CIMA Imerio   
       CONCI Nicola   
       DAINESE Alberto   
       DEWULF Stan   
       EVENEPOEL Remco   
       FABBRO Matteo   
       HAYTER Ethan   
       HONORE Mikkel Frølich   
       LONARDI Giovanni   
       MOSCHETTI Matteo   
       OLIVEIRA Rui Filipe Alves   
       ROCHAS Rémy   *
       TANFIELD Harry   


    Hakkie
       AFFINI Edoardo   
       ALMEIDA Joao Pedro Gonçalves   
       ARENSMAN Thymen   
       Bennett Sean   
       CONCI Nicola   
       CONTRERAS PINZON Rodrigo   
       DAINESE Alberto   
       DE DECKER Alfdan   
       DEWULF Stan   
       EVENEPOEL Remco   
       HÄNNINEN Jaakko   
       HONORE Mikkel Frølich   
       Moschetti Matteo   
       OSORIO CARVAJAL Alejandro   
       Rivera Serrano Kevin   
       RODRIGUEZ GARAICOECHEA Oscar   
       TANFIELD Harry   
       WILLIAMS Stephen   


    Hugo Koblet
       ALMEIDA Joao Pedro Gonçalves   
       ARENSMAN Thymen   
       BOUCHARD Geoffrey   
       CIMA Imerio   
       CONCI Nicola   
       DAINESE Alberto   
       DEWULF Stan   
       EVENEPOEL Remco   
       FABBRO Matteo   
       GREGAARD WILSLY Jonas   
       HONORE Mikkel Frølich   
       JOHANSEN Julius   
       MOSCHETTI Matteo   
       MÜLLER Patrick   
       RIVERA SERRANO Kevin   
       VANHOUCKE Harm   
       VINGEGAARD RASMUSSEN Jonas   
       WILLIAMS Stephen   


    Joelsim
       AFFINI Edoardo   
       ARENSMAN Thymen   
       CONCI Nicola   
       DEWULF Stan   
       EVENEPOEL Remco   
       FABBRO Matteo   
       GREGAARD WILSLY Jonas   
       HONORE Mikkel Frølich   
       LEYDER Pit   *
       MOSCHETTI Matteo   
       MUÑOZ LANCHEROS Cristian Camilo   
       OSORIO CARVAJAL Alejandro   
       PARET-PEINTRE Aurélien   
       PEAK Barnabas   
       PIDCOCK Thomas   
       RIVERA SERRANO Kevin   
       THIJSSEN Gerben   
       VILLALOBOS HERNANDEZ Luis Ricardo   


    Jon Ezeitza

       AASHEIM Ludvig Fischer   *
       ALMEIDA Joao Pedro Gonçalves   
       BAGIOLI Andrea   
       BALMER Alexandre   *
       DEWULF Stan   
       EVENEPOEL Remco   
       GROVES Kaden   
       JOHANSEN Julius   
       LYU Xianjing   
       MACIEJUK Filip   
       MAYRHOFER Marius   
       NORSGAARD JØRGENSEN Mathias   
       OLIVEIRA Rui Filipe Alves   
       STEIMLE Jannik   
       VACEK Karel   
       VAN DEN BERG Julius   
       VAN WILDER Ilan   *
       WAERENSKJOLD Soren   

    Josedin   AARNES Daniel   *
       BERRADE FERNANDEZ Urko   *
       BYRIEL IVERSEN Rasmus   
       DEWULF Stan   
       EVENEPOEL Remco   
       HOLOWESKO Liam   *
       HONORE Mikkel Frølich   
       LYU Xianjing   
       MÄRKL Niklas   
       MAYRHOFER Marius   
       MOSCHETTI Matteo   
       NIEUWENHUIS Joris   *
       QUINN Sean   
       ROUILLER Loris   *
       VACEK Karel   
       VERMAERKE Kevin   *
       VILLALOBOS HERNANDEZ Luis Ricardo   
       WAERENSKJOLD Soren   


    Karaev
       ALMEIDA Joao Pedro Gonçalves   
       BAGIOLI Andrea   
       BOUCHARD Geoffrey   
       CHAMPOUSSIN Clément   
       CIMA Imerio   
       CONCI Nicola   
       DAINESE Alberto   
       DEWULF Stan   
       ERRAZKIN PEREZ Xuban   
       EVENEPOEL Remco   
       FABBRO Matteo   
       HÄNNINEN Jaakko   
       MOSCHETTI Matteo   
       RODRIGUEZ GARAICOECHEA Oscar   
       TANFIELD Harry   
       VACEK Karel   
       VAN DEN BERG Julius   
       VANHOUCKE Harm   


    Kazistuta
       AFFINI Edoardo   
       BARBIER Pierre   
       BOUCHARD Geoffrey   
       CIMA Imerio   
       DEWULF Stan   
       EVANS Alexander   *
       EVENEPOEL Remco   
       FABBRO Matteo   
       JOHANSEN Julius   
       LONARDI Giovanni   
       MOSCHETTI Matteo   
       MÜLLER Patrick   
       OSORIO CARVAJAL Alejandro   
       PARET-PEINTRE Aurélien   
       RIVERA SERRANO Kevin   
       THIJSSEN Gerben   
       VAN DEN BERG Julius   
       VANHOUCKE Harm   

    Koronin
       BENNETT Sean   
       CAÑELLAS SANCHEZ Xavier   *
       CASTRILLO ZAPATER Jaime   
       COVI Alessandro   *
       EVENEPOEL Remco   
       GIBSON Matthew   
       HUPPERTZ Joshua   *
       MARCHETTI Moreno   *
       MATHIS Marco   *
       MORA VEDRI Sebastian   *
       MUÑOZ LANCHEROS Cristian Camilo   
       OWEN Logan   *
       QUINN Sean   
       SAMITIER SAMITIER Sergio   *
       SÁNCHEZ PALAZÓN Javier   *
       STEWART Jake   *
       VAN POUCKE Aaron   *
       VINCENT Léo   


    Kryvo
       AFFINI Edoardo   
       ALMEIDA Joao Pedro Gonçalves   
       BAGIOLI Andrea   
       BENNETT Sean   
       DAINESE Alberto   
       DE DECKER Alfdan   
       DEWULF Stan   
       EVENEPOEL Remco   
       HÄNNINEN Jaakko   
       HONORE Mikkel Frølich   
       JOHANSEN Julius   
       MACIEJUK Filip   
       MOSCHETTI Matteo   
       RODRIGUEZ GARAICOECHEA Oscar   
       VACEK Karel   
       VAN DEN BERG Julius   
       VAN MOER Brent   
       VILLALOBOS HERNANDEZ Luis Ricardo   


    Laarsland
       AFFINI Edoardo   
       BAGIOLI Andrea   
       BENNETT Sean   
       CONCI Nicola   
       DAINESE Alberto   
       DEWULF Stan   
       EVENEPOEL Remco   
       FABBRO Matteo   
       HAYTER Ethan   
       HONORE Mikkel Frølich   
       MOSCHETTI Matteo   
       OLIVEIRA Rui Filipe Alves   
       THIJSSEN Gerben   
       VACEK Karel   
       VAN DEN BERG Julius   
       VAN MOER Brent   
       VILLALOBOS HERNANDEZ Luis Ricardo   
       WILLIAMS Stephen   


    Leadbelly
       ARENSMAN Thymen   
       BAGIOLI Andrea   
       BARBIER Pierre   
       BATTISTELLA Samuele   
       BERGSTRÖM FRISK Erik   *
       BUDYAK Anatoliy   *
       CHAMPOUSSIN Clément   
       COLNAGHI Luca   *
       CULEY Marcus   *
       DAINESE Alberto   
       GROSSER Aaron   *
       GROVES Kaden   
       HÄNNINEN Jaakko   
       KOOISTRA Marten   
       MACIEJUK Filip   
       RENARD Alexis   *
       STEIMLE Jannik   
       TESFATSION Natnael Ocbit   *


    Ludwigzgz
       ALMEIDA Joao Pedro Gonçalves   
       BAGIOLI Andrea   
       BARCELO ARAGON Fernando   
       BENNETT Sean   
       CASTRILLO ZAPATER Jaime   
       DE DECKER Alfdan   
       DEWULF Stan   
       EVENEPOEL Remco   
       HÄNNINEN Jaakko   
       HIGUITA GARCIA Sergio Andres   
       LYU XianJing   
       MOSCHETTI Matteo   
       MUÑOZ LANCHEROS Cristian Camilo   
       OSORIO CARVAJAL Alejandro   
       RIVERA SERRANO Kevin   
       RODRIGUEZ GARAICOECHEA Oscar   
       VAN DEN BERG Julius   
       WEEMAES Sasha   *


    Lukas CPH
       BENNETT Sean   
       BURKE Jack   *
       EVENEPOEL Remco   
       FOSS Tobias Svendsen   
       GREGAARD WILSLY Jonas   
       HÄNNINEN Jaakko   
       JOHANSEN Julius   
       LARSEN Niklas   
       LAUK Karl Patrick   *
       LEKNESSUND Andreas   
       MAISON Jérémy   *
       NORSGAARD JØRGENSEN Mathias   
       OURSELIN Paul   *
       RIVERA SERRANO Kevin   
       TANFIELD Harry   
       VINGEGAARD RASMUSSEN Jonas   
       WALLIN Rasmus Bøgh   *
       WILLIAMS Stephen   


    Madrazo
       ALMEIDA Joao Pedro Gonçalves   
       ARENSMAN Thymen   
       BARBIER Pierre   
       BARCELO ARAGON Fernando   
       BOUCHARD Geoffrey   
       CHAMPOUSSIN Clément   
       DAINESE Alberto   
       EVENEPOEL Remco   
       FABBRO Matteo   
       FLOREZ LOPEZ Miguel Eduardo   
       HÄNNINEN Jaakko   
       JOHANSEN Julius   
       MOSCHETTI Matteo   
       MUÑOZ LANCHEROS Cristian Camilo   
       RIVERA SERRANO Kevin   
       RODRIGUEZ GARAICOECHEA Oscar   
       RUBIO REYES Einer Augusto   
       VANHOUCKE Harm   


    Rote Laterne
       ALMEIDA Joao Pedro Gonçalves   
       ARENSMAN Thymen   
       BARBIER Pierre   
       CHAMPOUSSIN Clément   
       CIMA Imerio   
       DAINESE Alberto   
       DE DECKER Alfdan   
       DEWULF Stan   
       GROVES Kaden   
       HÄNNINEN Jaakko   
       HONORE Mikkel Frølich   
       JERMAN Ziga   *
       JOHANSEN Julius   
       MOSCHETTI Matteo   
       PEAK Barnabas   
       THIJSSEN Gerben   
       VAN DEN BERG Julius   
       VILLALOBOS HERNANDEZ Luis Ricardo   


    SafeBet
       ALMEIDA Joao Pedro Gonçalves   
       ARENSMAN Thymen   
       BAGIOLI Andrea   
       BARCELO ARAGON Fernando   
       CONCI Nicola   
       DAINESE Alberto   
       DEWULF Stan   
       DONOVAN Mark   
       EVENEPOEL Remco   
       GARCIA SOSA Jhojan Orlando   
       GROVES Kaden   
       MOSCHETTI Matteo   
       OSORIO CARVAJAL Alejandro   
       RIVERA SERRANO Kevin   
       VACEK Karel   
       VAN DEN BERG Julius   
       VILLALOBOS HERNANDEZ Luis Ricardo   
       WARLOP Jordi   

    Scrool07
       BYRIEL IVERSEN Rasmus   
       CASTRILLO ZAPATER Jaime   
       CONCI Nicola   
       DEWULF Stan   
       ERIKSSON Lucas   *
       EVENEPOEL Remco   
       FABBRO Matteo   
       HONORE Mikkel Frølich   
       MERTZ Rémy   
       MOSCHETTI Matteo   
       PARET-PEINTRE Aurélien   
       SEIGLE Romain   
       VAN DEN BERG Julius   
       VANHOUCKE Harm   
       VINCENT Léo   
       WARLOP Jordi   
       WHELAN James   
       WILLIAMS Stephen   


    Skidmark
       AFFINI Edoardo   
       ARENSMAN Thymen   
       BARBIER Pierre   
       DAINESE Alberto   
       DE DECKER Alfdan   
       DEWULF Stan   
       EVENEPOEL Remco   
       FABBRO Matteo   
       FEDELI Alessandro   *
       HIGUITA GARCIA Sergio Andres   
       JOHANSEN Julius   
       LONARDI Giovanni   
       MOSCHETTI Matteo   
       RIVERA SERRANO Kevin   
       SOTO MARTINEZ Nelson Andres   *
       STEIMLE Jannik   
       VINGEGAARD RASMUSSEN Jonas   
       WILLIAMS Stephen   


    Squire
       AFFINI Edoardo   
       ALMEIDA Joao Pedro Gonçalves   
       BARCELO ARAGON Fernando   
       BOUCHARD Geoffrey   
       CONCI Nicola   
       DAINESE Alberto   
       DE DECKER Alfdan   
       DEWULF Stan   
       ERRAZKIN PEREZ Xuban   
       EVENEPOEL Remco   
       FABBRO Matteo   
       HÄNNINEN Jaakko   
       HAYTER Ethan   
       LEKNESSUND Andreas   
       MOSCHETTI Matteo   
       MÜLLER Patrick   
       OSORIO CARVAJAL Alejandro   
       PRONSKIY Vadim   


    Vladimir
       AFFINI Edoardo   
       ARENSMAN Thymen   
       BARCELO ARAGON Fernando   
       CASTRILLO ZAPATER Jaime   
       CONCI Nicola   
       EVENEPOEL Remco   
       FOSS Tobias Svendsen   
       GALL Felix   
       KONYCHEV Alexander   *
       KULIKOVSKIY Alexandr   *
       LE TURNIER Mathias   *
       MOSCHETTI Matteo   
       OSORIO CARVAJAL Alejandro   
       PARET-PEINTRE Aurélien   
       PEAK Barnabas   
       PIDCOCK Thomas   
       RIVERA SERRANO Kevin   
       WOUTERS Enzo   *


    Will10
       ALMEIDA Joao Pedro Gonçalves   
       ASKEY Lewis   *
       BENNETT Sean   
       CULLAIGH Gabriel   *
       DE DECKER Alfdan   
       DEWULF Stan   
       EVENEPOEL Remco   
       GIBSON Matthew   
       HÄNNINEN Jaakko   
       HECHT Gage   *
       OLIVEIRA Ivo Emanuel Alves   *
       PIDCOCK Thomas   
       RIES Michel   *
       TANFIELD Harry   
       VAN DEN BERG Julius   
       VILLALOBOS HERNANDEZ Luis Ricardo   
       WHELAN James   
       WILLIAMS Stephen   

    Rest of the numbers tomorrow evening
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    Re: 2019-2021 Emerging Riders CQ Game
    « Reply #10 on: January 15, 2019, 21:25 »
    I'm glad I have a unique pick, didn't really expect that. Can't wait for the other statistics. The revealing of the teams is always of more interest than who won the first stage of TDU.
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    Re: 2019-2021 Emerging Riders CQ Game
    « Reply #11 on: January 15, 2019, 22:49 »
    The rider stats

    Here are those 130 riders, except for the 55 unique picks indicated with an asterisk in the lists above.
    There are 31 teams, and the three who do not buy into the hype for Evenepoel are DJW, Leadbelly and Rote Laterne.

    28:  EVENEPOEL Remco
    25:  DEWULF Stan, MOSCHETTI Matteo
    16:  ALMEIDA Joao Pedro Gonçalves, VAN DEN BERG Julius
    15:  AFFINI Edoardo, HÄNNINEN Jaakko
    14:  ARENSMAN Thymen, DAINESE Alberto
    13:  RIVERA SERRANO Kevin
    12:  BENNETT Sean, CONCI Nicola, HONORE Mikkel Frølich, JOHANSEN Julius, WILLIAMS Stephen
    11:  FABBRO Matteo, OSORIO CARVAJAL Alejandro
    That is 17 names so far, so to complete the Collective Wisdom team, I will be taking an average of the scores of the three riders with nine picks each:
    9:  BAGIOLI Andrea, RODRIGUEZ GARAICOECHEA Oscar, VACEK Karel
    8:  BARCELO ARAGON Fernando, DE DECKER Alfdan, TANFIELD Harry, VANHOUCKE Harm, VILLALOBOS HERNANDEZ Luis Ricardo
    7:  BOUCHARD Geoffrey
    6:  BARBIER Pierre, CIMA Imerio, GROVES Kaden, HAYTER Ethan, MUÑOZ LANCHEROS Cristian Camilo, OLIVEIRA Rui Filipe Alves
    5:  CASTRILLO ZAPATER Jaime, CHAMPOUSSIN Clément, GREGAARD WILSLY Jonas, MÜLLER Patrick, PARET-PEINTRE Aurélien, PIDCOCK Thomas, VINGEGAARD RASMUSSEN Jonas
    4:  DE BOD Stefan, DONOVAN Mark, LYU Xianjing, MACIEJUK Filip, THIJSSEN Gerben, WHELAN James
    3:  BADILATTI Matteo, FOSS Tobias Svendsen, GIBSON Matthew, HIGUITA GARCIA Sergio Andres, LEKNESSUND Andreas, LONARDI Giovanni, MÄRKL Niklas, PEAK Barnabas, PRONSKIY Vadim, STEIMLE Jannik, WARLOP Jordi
    2:  BATTISTELLA Samuele, BYRIEL IVERSEN Rasmus, CONTRERAS PINZON Rodrigo, ERRAZKIN PEREZ Xuban, FLOREZ LOPEZ Miguel Eduardo, GALL Felix, GARCIA SOSA Jhojan Orlando, KOOISTRA Marten, LARSEN Niklas, MAYRHOFER Marius, MERTZ Rémy, NORSGAARD JØRGENSEN Mathias, QUINN Sean, RUBIO REYES Einer Augusto, SCOTSON Callum, SEIGLE Romain, VAN MOER Brent, VINCENT Léo, WAERENSKJOLD Soren


    De Wulf was neck and neck with Evenepoel in the popularity for a long time (and actually overtook him briefly), Moschetti caught up with him only with the later teams.
    Dainese ended up making the Collective Wisdom team, but it is as though there was some lobbying going on: with about half the teams in, he was still a unique pick.
    There were two late swap-outs of Higuita, with his non-appearance in the EF team listing, but one manager swapped him into the team on that revelation.

    Of course, popularity is even less of a guarantee in this game than in the other CQ games: In the three editions that have finished so far, the following have been among the best 18 picks that could have been made, but were not picked at all, or by 3 or fewer teams: THEUNS Edward, BENOOT Tiesj, VUILLERMOZ Alexis, LAMPAERT Yves, NAESEN Oliver, ROGLIC Primoz(twice), LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel, MOSCON Gianni, CALMEJANE Lilian, OOMEN Sam, ANDERSEN Søren Kragh, CAMPENAERTS Victor, BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley (twice), ACKERMANN Pascal, VAN AERT Wout, MAS NICOLAU Enric, CARAPAZ MONTENEGRO Richard Antonio and several others, while the Collective Wisdom team has featured such disappointments (at least to the end of their respective games) as Alex Peters, Andrea Zordan, Frederick Ludwigsson, Campbell Flakemore, and Vincenzo Albanese (twice)

    Nestling in there among the 5 pick riders is Aurelian Paret Peintre, who is the Carlos Betancur of this game as someone who managers keep coming back to, having been on at least one team each year since the 2015-17 edition.
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    Re: 2019-2021 Emerging Riders CQ Game
    « Reply #12 on: January 15, 2019, 23:03 »
    The rider stats

    Here are those 130 riders, except for the 55 unique picks indicated with an asterisk in the lists above.
    There are 31 teams, and the three who do not buy into the hype for Evenepoel are DJW, Leadbelly and Rote Laterne.

    28:  EVENEPOEL Remco
    25:  DEWULF Stan, MOSCHETTI Matteo
    16:  ALMEIDA Joao Pedro Gonçalves, VAN DEN BERG Julius
    15:  AFFINI Edoardo, HÄNNINEN Jaakko
    14:  ARENSMAN Thymen, DAINESE Alberto
    13:  RIVERA SERRANO Kevin
    12:  BENNETT Sean, CONCI Nicola, HONORE Mikkel Frølich, JOHANSEN Julius, WILLIAMS Stephen
    11:  FABBRO Matteo, OSORIO CARVAJAL Alejandro
    That is 17 names so far, so to complete the Collective Wisdom team, I will be taking an average of the scores of the three riders with nine picks each:
    9:  BAGIOLI Andrea, RODRIGUEZ GARAICOECHEA Oscar, VACEK Karel
    8:  BARCELO ARAGON Fernando, DE DECKER Alfdan, TANFIELD Harry, VANHOUCKE Harm, VILLALOBOS HERNANDEZ Luis Ricardo
    7:  BOUCHARD Geoffrey
    6:  BARBIER Pierre, CIMA Imerio, GROVES Kaden, HAYTER Ethan, MUÑOZ LANCHEROS Cristian Camilo, OLIVEIRA Rui Filipe Alves
    5:  CASTRILLO ZAPATER Jaime, CHAMPOUSSIN Clément, GREGAARD WILSLY Jonas, MÜLLER Patrick, PARET-PEINTRE Aurélien, PIDCOCK Thomas, VINGEGAARD RASMUSSEN Jonas
    4:  DE BOD Stefan, DONOVAN Mark, LYU Xianjing, MACIEJUK Filip, THIJSSEN Gerben, WHELAN James
    3:  BADILATTI Matteo, FOSS Tobias Svendsen, GIBSON Matthew, HIGUITA GARCIA Sergio Andres, LEKNESSUND Andreas, LONARDI Giovanni, MÄRKL Niklas, PEAK Barnabas, PRONSKIY Vadim, STEIMLE Jannik, WARLOP Jordi
    2:  BATTISTELLA Samuele, BYRIEL IVERSEN Rasmus, CONTRERAS PINZON Rodrigo, ERRAZKIN PEREZ Xuban, FLOREZ LOPEZ Miguel Eduardo, GALL Felix, GARCIA SOSA Jhojan Orlando, KOOISTRA Marten, LARSEN Niklas, MAYRHOFER Marius, MERTZ Rémy, NORSGAARD JØRGENSEN Mathias, QUINN Sean, RUBIO REYES Einer Augusto, SCOTSON Callum, SEIGLE Romain, VAN MOER Brent, VINCENT Léo, WAERENSKJOLD Soren


    De Wulf was neck and neck with Evenepoel in the popularity for a long time (and actually overtook him briefly), Moschetti caught up with him only with the later teams.
    Dainese ended up making the Collective Wisdom team, but it is as though there was some lobbying going on: with about half the teams in, he was still a unique pick.
    There were two late swap-outs of Higuita, with his non-appearance in the EF team listing, but one manager swapped him into the team on that revelation.

    Of course, popularity is even less of a guarantee in this game than in the other CQ games: In the three editions that have finished so far, the following have been among the best 18 picks that could have been made, but were not picked at all, or by 3 or fewer teams: THEUNS Edward, BENOOT Tiesj, VUILLERMOZ Alexis, LAMPAERT Yves, NAESEN Oliver, ROGLIC Primoz(twice), LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel, MOSCON Gianni, CALMEJANE Lilian, OOMEN Sam, ANDERSEN Søren Kragh, CAMPENAERTS Victor, BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley (twice), ACKERMANN Pascal, VAN AERT Wout, MAS NICOLAU Enric, CARAPAZ MONTENEGRO Richard Antonio and several others, while the Collective Wisdom team has featured such disappointments (at least to the end of their respective games) as Alex Peters, Andrea Zordan, Frederick Ludwigsson, Campbell Flakemore, and Vincenzo Albanese (twice)

    Nestling in there among the 5 pick riders is Aurelian Paret Peintre, who is the Carlos Betancur of this game as someone who managers keep coming back to, having been on at least one team each year since the 2015-17 edition.

    Honestly, look at those riders that could've been picked, that weren't.

    We're supposed to be cycling fans and yet Lopez, Bernal (twice)....what the flipity flip are we all on?

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    Re: 2019-2021 Emerging Riders CQ Game
    « Reply #13 on: January 16, 2019, 00:19 »
    Team stats

    Popularity rankings
    I suppose with 31 teams, the highest possible popularity ranking would be 558, but that would mean all 31 teams having the same 18 men, and that would render the game rather pointless.

    1   Hakkie   251
    2   Kryvo   239
    3   HugoKoblet   230
    4   AmisVelo   228
    5   Laarsland   226
    6   Karaev   225
    7   SafeBet   223
    8   Cordi   220
    9   Armchair_Cyclist   219 (1)
    10   Del_1962   215
    10   Flo   215  (1)
    12   Ludwigzgz   214  (1)
    12   Squire   214
    14   Joelsim   203 (1)
    15   Kazistuta   201 (1)
    15   Madrazo   201
    17   Skidmark   199 (2)
    18   Blues_in_the_Bottle   197 (1)
    19   RoteLaterne   196 (1)
    20   Fauniera   181 (1)
    21   Comodoro   177
    22   Scrooll07   175 (1)
    23   AlyKaptan   174
    24   Will10   165 (5)
    25   Vladimir   153 (4)
    26   DJW   151 (3)
    27   JonEzeitza   147 (3)
    28   Josedin   128 (6)
    29   LukasCPH   125 (5)
    30   Leadbelly   87 (7)
    31   Koronin   69 (11)
       CollectiveWisdom   272
    Number of unique picks in brackets


    Pre-game career points
    These have no significance for the game, they are something of an indicator of whether people have chosen riders who have already shown their promise among the professional ranks, although Evenepoel, for example, shows that plenty of publicity can be generated without even starting a .2 race. 
    There would be a theoretical maximum of 3582, but to find 18 riders all on 199 points would include some very unlikely picks.

    1   DJW   2371
    2   LukasCPH   2357
    3   HugoKoblet   2216
    4   Skidmark   2142
    5   Scrooll07   2089
    6   Armchair_Cyclist   1950
    7   Flo   1914
    8   RoteLaterne   1902
    9   Karaev   1895
    10   Kazistuta   1882
    11   AmisVelo   1875
    12   Blues_in_the_Bottle   1841
    13   Hakkie   1830
    14   AlyKaptan   1799
    15   Joelsim   1783
    16   Ludwigzgz   1767
    17   Squire   1751
    18   Comodoro   1732
    19   Laarsland   1727
    20   SafeBet   1692
    21   Del_1962   1683
    22   Kryvo   1661
    23   Fauniera   1616
    24   Madrazo   1595
    25   Vladimir   1582
    26   Leadbelly   1570.1
    27   JonEzeitza   1551.2
    28   Will10   1527.1
    29   Cordi   1410
    30   Koronin   1042.1
    31   Josedin   790
       CollectiveWisdom   1827
    Don't worry about the decimals: that is just a marker I have left for myself to keep an eye out for the riders who do not yet have a CQ page.

    Team similarity
    The greatest amount of overlap between any 2 teams (apart from Hakkie having 14 of the Collective Wisdom team) is 12, which is the size of Venn diagram intersections between Kryvo and Amis Velo, Laarsland and Flo, and Laarsland and Kryvo. 
    As to those who have no common interest at all, Leadbelly eschews every pick of Blues in the Bottle, DJW, Josedin, and Scrool07, while Koronin shuns the whole of Rote Laterne's team.  Leadbelly and Koronin also disagree with every one of each others picks.  Only Blues in the Bottle and Ludwigzgz manage as many as 4 of Koronin's picks.

    Other than Hakkie having 14 of the Collective Wisdom team, Amis Velo, Hugo Koblet, Kryvo, Laarsland have 12 of the CW, while Josedin, Leadbelly and Koronin have 4, 3 and 2 of them respectively.

    Sorry this is late: I have been rather distracted with all the Brexit debate while trying to do this.

    Anything else worth knowing is in the spreadsheet at Dropbox.



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    Re: 2019-2021 Emerging Riders CQ Game
    « Reply #14 on: January 16, 2019, 15:06 »
    8th in popularity but almost the last in career points  :S
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    Re: 2019-2021 Emerging Riders CQ Game
    « Reply #15 on: January 16, 2019, 19:34 »
    Guessing my very high pre-game points and low popularity is in no small part down to my (probably insane) decision to eschew Remco. Very happy with 3 unique picks though in

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    Re: 2019-2021 Emerging Riders CQ Game
    « Reply #16 on: January 16, 2019, 21:12 »
    There were two late swap-outs of Higuita, with his non-appearance in the EF team listing, but one manager swapped him into the team on that revelation.

    I was one ot those who swapped out Higuita. And I'm starting to think it was a big mistake.

    I didn't know where he was going to ride this year, and this was the motivation. But just today Landa's Fundación Euskadi team has been presented and Higuita is there. He will ride in the basque team the first half of the season and then jump to the WT with Vaughters EF team (as it was suposed in first place).

    But the moment between EF roster presentation and Euskadi roster presentation, I had no idea about where Higuita was going to be. And that was just the last days to change our teams... Well, it's the game. Hope Vacek (his replacement) will adapt quickly from junior to pro races.
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    Re: 2019-2021 Emerging Riders CQ Game
    « Reply #17 on: January 17, 2019, 08:01 »
    I was one ot those who swapped out Higuita. And I'm starting to think it was a big mistake.
    Same here.
    What can you do.
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    Re: 2019-2021 Emerging Riders CQ Game
    « Reply #18 on: January 17, 2019, 19:53 »
    There were two late swap-outs of Higuita, with his non-appearance in the EF team listing, but one manager swapped him into the team on that revelation.

     :lol

    Not knowing were Higuita will ride this year was the reason to drop him off my shortlist. Those young columbians often disappear after a promising season.
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