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Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
« Reply #30 on: June 03, 2019, 09:48 »
https://twitter.com/deceuninck_qst/status/1134834252531589121

Alaphilippe -----------> nowhere

As long he has got renumeration somewhere close to what he's worth, he'd have been crazy to go anywhere else.

https://twitter.com/WielerFlits/status/1134821305876979714

Zakarin -------------> #ccc ?

No Majka then?

Majka will stay in the #bora, I think.
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    Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
    « Reply #31 on: June 03, 2019, 09:49 »
    Since search was asking about him the other day,

    https://www.directvelo.com/actualite/74595/quinten-hermans-attend-une-offre-du-worldtour

    Hermans -------------> WT?

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    Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
    « Reply #33 on: June 03, 2019, 23:11 »
    #katusha Marcel Kittel --> #jumbo Jumbo Visma ?

    https://www.telegraaf.nl/sport/3681458/jumbo-visma-aast-op-kittel

    I can´t make any sense of this unless it is to stop some other team from getting him.  if Kittel can find his race legs somewhere, He´s one of very few that can beat Groenewegen at what he does best.
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    Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
    « Reply #34 on: June 04, 2019, 01:34 »
    Since this is also a "rumors" thread, can we try to get ahead of the Carapaz-to-Ineos rumblings that have been going on?

    Obviously Ineos has the deep pockets, but they also have Froome and Thomas (and Bernal). So where would that leave Carapaz?

    And how would adding the Giro champion to their lineup do anything other than create more tension amongst the team's current stars?

    Movistar, on the other hand, has proven the ability to support Carapaz as a team leader, and the longevity of the team speaks for itself—in Spanish, no less. Speaking of: In addition to Spain, Movistar has a huge presence in both Central and South America, so having the likes of Carapaz to represent their brand seems like something worth fighting for. They already have a presence in these countries:

    Argentina
    Chile
    Colombia
    Costa Rica
    Ecuador
    El Salvador
    Guatemala
    Mexico
    Nicaragua
    Panama
    Peru
    Uruguay
    Venezuela

    ...and the home page for Movistar Ecuador is already seizing on his Giro victory.


    So I would think that the opportunity for further personal endorsements would be greater for Carapaz under the Movistar banner than that of Ineos.

    Besides, does anyone really want to see Carapaz at Ineos, besides maybe Ratcliffe and Brailsford?
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    Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
    « Reply #35 on: June 04, 2019, 08:05 »
    I can´t make any sense of this unless it is to stop some other team from getting him.  if Kittel can find his race legs somewhere, He´s one of very few that can beat Groenewegen at what he does best.
    In today's Het Nieuwsblad there's an article about. Him and (sports director) Zeeman are old friends from their years at Skil Shimano, and they even consider to bring the old gang together, Kittel, Martin and Degenkolb, who all raced at Thüringer Energie Team before stepping up to the pros.

    Regarding Groenewegen, they say that there's enough room for having two top sprinters, and that Kittel usually excels when he doesn't have all the pressure on his shoulders alone.
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    Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
    « Reply #36 on: June 04, 2019, 10:31 »
    (tbc) #movistar Nairo Quintana --> #arkea Arkéa-Samsic
    (tbc) #cofidis Nacer Bouhanni --> #arkea Arkéa-Samsic
    (tbc) #ag2r Alexis Gougeard --> #arkea Arkéa-Samsic

    according to Colombian media it's a done deal, Quintana will sign for 2.5 million Euro per year + a bonus if he wins the Tour

    https://elpais.com/deportes/2019/06/03/actualidad/1559581016_029494.html
    https://www.letelegramme.fr/cyclisme/arkea-samsic-la-piste-bouhanni-02-06-2019-12300791.php
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    Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
    « Reply #37 on: June 04, 2019, 11:25 »
    (tbc) #movistar Nairo Quintana --> #arkea Arkéa-Samsic
    (tbc) #cofidis Nacer Bouhanni --> #arkea Arkéa-Samsic
    (tbc) #ag2r Alexis Gougeard --> #arkea Arkéa-Samsic

    according to Colombian media it's a done deal, Quintana will sign for 2.5 million Euro per year + a bonus if he wins the Tour

    https://elpais.com/deportes/2019/06/03/actualidad/1559581016_029494.html
    https://www.letelegramme.fr/cyclisme/arkea-samsic-la-piste-bouhanni-02-06-2019-12300791.php
    Quintana to #arkea ?!! :S
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    Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
    « Reply #38 on: June 04, 2019, 12:00 »
    (tbc) #movistar Nairo Quintana --> #arkea Arkéa-Samsic
    (tbc) #cofidis Nacer Bouhanni --> #arkea Arkéa-Samsic
    (tbc) #ag2r Alexis Gougeard --> #arkea Arkéa-Samsic
    :S

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    Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
    « Reply #39 on: June 04, 2019, 16:02 »
    Quintana will sign for 2.5 million Euro per year + a bonus if he wins the Tour

    So 2.5 milion it is, then?  :P
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    Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
    « Reply #40 on: June 04, 2019, 17:38 »
    Since this is also a "rumors" thread, can we try to get ahead of the Carapaz-to-Ineos rumblings that have been going on?

    From the outside it seems like really bad contract management by Movistar.

    The current wage according to recent reports (no doubt his agent has been bandying this about) is 150k a year. Peanuts. Now logic would suggest to me that post his performance at the 2018 Giro someone at Movistar should have thought "Hey this guy is seriously underpaid for the talent he has. Maybe we should sit down with his agent and sort something out now in advance of his contract year". This is what happens in some other sports. Breakthrough performance by a youngster and it earns them a better and longer contract.

    It might not even have to have been a massive increase. Pulling figures out of thin air, but basic wage of 400-500k, some performance related bonuses and extra year or two on the length. Now with the Giro victory, the cost just got much higher for them and he's obviously on the radar of everyone with some cash.
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    Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
    « Reply #41 on: June 04, 2019, 18:46 »
    well, him, Landa and Quintana leaving the ship will certainly solve some potential leadership conflicts at least. Looks like Valverde will have a lot of freedom next year?! :P
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    Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
    « Reply #42 on: June 04, 2019, 19:20 »
    ...and the home page for Movistar Ecuador is already seizing on his Giro victory.


    So I would think that the opportunity for further personal endorsements would be greater for Carapaz under the Movistar banner than that of Ineos.


    When you say Movistar Ecuador do you mean the business or the UCI Continental team?

    Given as you say the business being heavily involved in South America it does seem obvious that you would think they would want to keep him but it all depends on the situation between sponsor and team. Will Movistar bring enough pressure onto the team for the team to offer him enough to keep him.
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    « Reply #43 on: June 05, 2019, 04:04 »
    well, him, Landa and Quintana leaving the ship will certainly solve some potential leadership conflicts at least. Looks like Valverde will have a lot of freedom next year?!
    :P
    Yes, I failed to mention the extraordinary talent drain that Movistar are currently in the midst of. All the more reason you'd think they'd desperately want to hold onto Carapaz!

    Not to mention, wouldn't the departure of their marque riders mean that extra funds would be availibale to throw at Carapaz as a nice enticement to stay? And if Valverde remains, what better mentor could a rising, Spanish-speaking star hope to encounter? Alejandro—besides any opinions one may have about him—has to be considered one of the most seasoned, accomplished and enduring riders in the history of the sport. How could that possibly compare with riding in the shadow of Froome?
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    Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
    « Reply #44 on: June 05, 2019, 04:09 »
    When you say Movistar Ecuador do you mean the business or the UCI Continental team?

    The business.
    That banner ad is from Movistar's Ecuadorean homepage for their mobile devices.
    https://www.movistar.com.ec


    A better question though: How did the pink bar magically appear at the bottom of my post? :slow
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    Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
    « Reply #45 on: June 05, 2019, 11:40 »
    Bjorg Lambrecht 2 more year with Lotto Soudal
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    Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
    « Reply #46 on: June 05, 2019, 11:48 »
    The business.
    That banner ad is from Movistar's Ecuadorean homepage for their mobile devices.
    https://www.movistar.com.ec


    A better question though: How did the pink bar magically appear at the bottom of my post? :slow
    Scroll bar because the image is too wide for our forum 'look'. And since we're still using the Giro theme, it's pink. :)

    Yes, I failed to mention the extraordinary talent drain that Movistar are currently in the midst of. All the more reason you'd think they'd desperately want to hold onto Carapaz!

    Not to mention, wouldn't the departure of their marque riders mean that extra funds would be availibale to throw at Carapaz as a nice enticement to stay? And if Valverde remains, what better mentor could a rising, Spanish-speaking star hope to encounter? Alejandro—besides any opinions one may have about him—has to be considered one of the most seasoned, accomplished and enduring riders in the history of the sport. How could that possibly compare with riding in the shadow of Froome?
    Carapaz, an Ecuadorian cyclist who 'grew up' (in cycling terms) in Colombia and just won the first Grand Tour for his home country - he's pretty much the best advertisement Movistar could hope for in Latin America.
    If I were Movistar (the company), I'd sign him to a very-long-term contract with a blank field for salary, to be filled out by him with whatever figure he wants, and just pay him that.

    The return on that (substantial) investment is virtually guaranteed. With his Giro win, he's now well on his way to a stardom in Ecuador and beyond that can be compared to that of Boonen in Belgium, or Nibali in Italy (and look what it just brought Nibali).
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    Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
    « Reply #47 on: June 05, 2019, 15:13 »
    Yes, I failed to mention the extraordinary talent drain that Movistar are currently in the midst of. All the more reason you'd think they'd desperately want to hold onto Carapaz!

    Not to mention, wouldn't the departure of their marque riders mean that extra funds would be availibale to throw at Carapaz as a nice enticement to stay? And if Valverde remains, what better mentor could a rising, Spanish-speaking star hope to encounter? Alejandro—besides any opinions one may have about him—has to be considered one of the most seasoned, accomplished and enduring riders in the history of the sport. How could that possibly compare with riding in the shadow of Froome?

    Ineos seem to be so systematically recruiting and developing new riders now, that I think part of the equation is not known to the public and may be something we can only speculate about: you write “riding in the shadow of Froome” - but Team Ineos will know better than we do how long their current rank of star riders will last. Froome is one, but Thomas perhaps the better example. He has been more outspoken on the sacrifices he needs to make to get in shape for racing GC, principally on the nutrition and lifestyle side. I don’t believe he’ll carry on with that for another 5 years, to put it that way. Froome seems less bothered by the diets, but we don’t know how his body copes with so many years racing on top level. There cannot be many riders like Valverde, and now even the #rainbow man appears to be slightly fading. Froome has arguably been racing at an even higher level, and from what I gather the cumulative stress to the system from racing at top level over many years is seen as more important than age for the prediction of athlete decline. There are large indivual differences (Hi Alejandro!  ;) ), but even Froome has a treshold for how many years he can be a top level GC rider.  Wiggins said that when he quit racing, he had the bone density of a 65-year old woman and osteoporosis symptoms. Racing at this level doesn’t seem particularly healthy and hopefully all the individuals involved have a large say in the decision concerning when enough is enough.

    Brailsford is clever, so when he was informed that the Sky sponsorship was coming to an end, he secured his most valuable assets by extending contracts with Thomas and Froome. Having banked that, his team could negotiate new sponsors, with an excellent track record in terms of results, and almost guaranteed future success, as it was secure that the key components of their past victories would still be present. Many teams face a crumble, if not a crunch,  at the time when they need a new main sponsor, but #sky not only evaded that, they made it an opportunity - and their new contract with Ineos is supposedly not just as good as the old one they had with Sky, it is much better, and the team has an even bigger budget now.

    Like it or not, that is sponsorship transition masterclass there, well played.

    So what if they did all this, while at the same time being seriously concerned that maybe Thomas can’t take another year, or at least not two more years of this? What if they have test results showing that despite looking more relaxed about the extreme diets, Froome’s bone density is plummeting and he might have to call it quits sooner than he would like to because in the next crash he will break every bone?
    In that case, top priority for continuation of the business would be recruiting and developing future stars, more than propping up the current top stars with more domestiques to make sure they win yet another year. In the first race with the #ineos jersey you could not see Froome carried on a gold chair across the Yorkshire countryside. He was put to work as a road captain and performed very well in that role (what could you expect, really...) setting up the attacks that left #riwal Kamp asphyxiated while #ineos Lawless came back to win the GC.

    There is a change in the way the team deals with the young riders they recruit now. They get a lot more chances to ride for their own results now than they did around 2010-2012. At that time, top talent riders like Edvald Boasson Hagen was brought in apparently for the sole purpose of being locomotives in the Sky train. Team leadership roles was really pre-defined, and not up for discussion. EBH´s number of wins per season declined through his time with Sky, reflecting not just that the team didn´t give him opportunities (in fact they did, at some occasions) but that his program was such that his ability to win was also dwindling. You have to train very hard to become Tim de Clerq, and to achieve that, the ability to finish like Peter Sagan is usually sacrificed. 

    The Yates twins didn´t sign for Sky, they wanted to be captains, not domestiques - but realized or feared that the Sky programme would train them only as domestiques. Later,  at some point (last year?) I think the team realized that they don´t get good future captains from signing young talent to work as domestiques. Now it is different. This year #ineos is often the youngest squad on the road. In fact not just youngest, but youngest by a wide margin too, and their captains are young as well. The giro team was extreme, with papa Chris Knees and the youngsters - and despite lacking Bernal, it highlighted Pavel Sivakov as an up-and-coming GC captain with a brilliant 3-week performance in his first GC. A clear sporting success in the development perspective, although it hardly qualifies as a commercial success for the sponsors.

    All the top talent that Sky/Ineos have been stocking up over the past few years, have one thing (or rather, don´t have one thing) in common. They´re not British, not even by colonial heritage British. Right now it looks like they are aiming to become a major player in Spanish speaking South America. This may or may not be a problem, depending on their sponsor/owner: Do they want to use their investment in the team to improve their standing in the UK or do they invest in the team for publicity to support global growth, or both?

    From what the team is doing, it appears to be principally global growth that is the objective: they hire riders from all over the world, if only they are good enough. However, I think they have money for that, and then some. «Then some» as in somewhere they´ve piled two big mountains of cash marked «For Simon»  and «For Adam», just because what really seems to be missing in their plans are the next generation British GC winners (make that Tour de France GC winners, nothing else really matters).

    I´ll take it as far as to speculating that in the contract negotiations with Ineos someone might have said: «if you throw in an extra 20 million or so we will see what we can do about getting the Yates twins to sign on for 2021.» Unless either 1) another British young rider appears as the next big thing 2) Mitchelton gets more sponsors with deeper pockets, I think the question is «when» not «if» the brothers will join Sky. If anything, they seem like more of a match now then they were when they shocked the British cycling establishment, by not joining Sky in the first place.
     
    (Concerning that possible even younger GC rider from the UK «next big thing» - could possibly be Hugh Carthy(?) the only one seen racing 3 weeks with consistency, isn´t he? The rest of the best of the younger British riders seem to have a more of a taste for the classics (and CX) rather than 3 week tours, climbing and the GC, isn´t that right? )

    Final comment on Carapaz - from what I read he was very underpaid at Movistar, and they refused to increase his salary before he won the Giro. This may come as a consequence of winning the giro while actually being 4th on the pecking order in a team with a quite hierarchical structure (I think that makes it a very unusual win actually.) 

    If this is true, then if there wasn´t an agent suggesting that he can get maybe 10 times more paid elsewhere, that agent wouldn´t be doing his job! Money is important in professional sports! A South American family man will not look primarily to his sporting chances, but to his income chances and his family, and how he can best secure their future. In South America, a professional athlete is a professional first and and athlete second. One of the things that really surprised me when I lived there, was just how quickly the public opinion on a young soccer player would turn, if they did not secure a contract (and: a contract that wasn´t just good for them, but for the family.) They were immediately put on a list of irresponsible playboys, talented maybe, but good for nothing, really.  (You could almost be sure all daughters were informed they shouldn´t bring a such man into the family.) They are cool with people entering professional sports - if and only if it is a good deal for them and can support the (extended) family. Then they are heroes, but the prospect of one year without much income makes them despiccable, unresponsible idiots. There´s a work ethic behind this, and also the lacking of safety nets that makes it possible and acceptable for first-world people to be less economically productive for longer phases in our lives, I think.

    This is why I am pretty convinced that if offered a large salary increase elsewhere, Richard would sign. It would be the only responsible thing to do.

    You can´t really blame Ineos for being opportunistic here - a good buy is a good buy and they are running a business. However, the noise level can also just be a result of an agent that is working hard to persuade Movistar to pony up more cash for keeping Carapaz. That would also be a responsible tactic, the company can definetly afford it, and the team is reportedly not having to pay for Quintana in the future. Maybe they have already been busy for a while, trying to make increased space for Richard on their salary lists, and that is why Quintana is leasing? At Arkea he will fade, like all others that enter that team, but his income will be better than at Movistar.

    I am so far actually less convinced that Carapaz is going to #ineos than that Simon and Adam Yates eventually  will go there. Let´s see how the negotiations  go.       :)
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    Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
    « Reply #48 on: June 05, 2019, 15:39 »
    That was a pretty tremendous response, T-72. Thanks for that!  :cool

    Lots of things worth considering, but I've got one foot out the door at the moment, so I'll try to respond more throughly later on.

    That was news to me about Wiggins physical state of being. I hadn't realized he had pushed his body to such extremes.

    Interesting also was the cultural perspective of South American athletes and those around them. It'll be very interesting to see how this all pans out.
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    Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
    « Reply #49 on: June 06, 2019, 11:52 »
    Latest rumours (Marca):
    Carapaz to stay with Movistar (1m/year)
    Landa, Rojas and Pello Bilbao to Bahrain-Merida
    Quintana to Arkea-Samsic
    Fuglsang and Mas to Movistar
    Zakarin to CCC
    Cattaneo to Astana
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    Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
    « Reply #50 on: June 07, 2019, 11:17 »
    Morkov stay 2 more years in DQS
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    « Reply #51 on: June 11, 2019, 11:21 »
    #iam Simon Pellaud --> #androni Androni Giocattoli - Sidermec



    a two-year deal it is. Good to see him taking the step up again :cool

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    « Reply #52 on: June 11, 2019, 11:30 »
    #iam Simon Pellaud --> #androni Androni Giocattoli - Sidermec
    The UCI rule about "no signings before 1 August" isn't worth the paper it's written on ...
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    « Reply #53 on: June 11, 2019, 12:06 »
    The UCI rule about "no signings before 1 August" isn't worth the paper it's written on ...
    :S

    as far as I understand the rules, they don't apply for PCT teams signing conti riders though (unless Androni applied for a WT license, which I don't think they did)
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    « Reply #54 on: June 11, 2019, 13:21 »
    as far as I understand the rules, they don't apply for PCT teams signing conti riders though (unless Androni applied for a WT license, which I don't think they did)
    So the rule applies to WT teams signing anyone for next year, ProConti teams signing riders who are already on a pro deal for next year, but not to Conti teams signing non-pros for next year?
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    Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
    « Reply #55 on: June 11, 2019, 16:08 »
    From what the team is doing, it appears to be principally global growth that is the objective: they hire riders from all over the world, if only they are good enough. However, I think they have money for that, and then some. «Then some» as in somewhere they´ve piled two big mountains of cash marked «For Simon»  and «For Adam», just because what really seems to be missing in their plans are the next generation British GC winners (make that Tour de France GC winners, nothing else really matters).

    I´ll take it as far as to speculating that in the contract negotiations with Ineos someone might have said: «if you throw in an extra 20 million or so we will see what we can do about getting the Yates twins to sign on for 2021.» Unless either 1) another British young rider appears as the next big thing 2) Mitchelton gets more sponsors with deeper pockets, I think the question is «when» not «if» the brothers will join Sky. If anything, they seem like more of a match now then they were when they shocked the British cycling establishment, by not joining Sky in the first place.

    On the point of signing both of the Yates twins has Sky/Ineos policy changed policy regarding a rider who has been sanctioned for a doping violation? If it hasn't already been relaxed is Simon Yates a rider worth changing it for.
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    Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
    « Reply #56 on: June 11, 2019, 18:27 »
    So the rule applies to WT teams signing anyone for next year, ProConti teams signing riders who are already on a pro deal for next year, but not to Conti teams signing non-pros for next year?
    :fp :S :dizzy :cheesy

    nah, it's not that easy :P

    A transfer period exists and applies to all changes of team, whether between two UCI WorldTeams or between a UCI WorldTeam and a UCI professional continental team. [...] A UCI WorldTeam or licence applicant may only recruit riders during the transfer period. For the purposes of this article «recruit» shall be deemed to mean concluding a contract with a rider to ride for the UCI WorldTeam or licence applicant’s team.
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    Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
    « Reply #57 on: June 12, 2019, 00:23 »
    nah, it's not that easy :P

    A transfer period exists and applies to all changes of team, whether between two UCI WorldTeams or between a UCI WorldTeam and a UCI professional continental team. [...] A UCI WorldTeam or licence applicant may only recruit riders during the transfer period. For the purposes of this article «recruit» shall be deemed to mean concluding a contract with a rider to ride for the UCI WorldTeam or licence applicant’s team.
    Note to the UCI: It's not a 'transfer period' (from August onwards) if the actual transfer only becomes effective several months later (in January). It's just a stupid, pointless rule that apparently doesn't even extend to all 'transfers'.
    Good bloody grief.

    In any case, this rule ought to preclude any 'recruiting' of a rider for the following year (like Pellaud for 2020 by Savio) outside this poorly-named 'transfer period' (which is 1 August-31 December).
    The rule may be written extremely convolutedly, but the fact of it remains: Pellaud's new pro contract (or indeed Nibali's #trek signing) wasn't allowed to be announced until the beginning of August, and the fact that they were announced could be grounds for fining the riders and teams involved:
    Riders and UCI WorldTeams [or UCI professional continental teams] may not reveal that they are involved in negotiations about transfers outside the transfer period. Upon complaint by a prejudiced team or any third party with a legitimate interest, the rider is liable to a fine of CHF 2,000 and the UCI WorldTeam [or UCI professional continental team] to a fine of CHF 5,000.

    ... but only if a 'prejudiced team or any third party with a legitimate interest' lodges a complaint. :fp

    Oh for flip's sake, UCI. You're lining up hoops for people to jump through just for the sake of watching them jump through, and then, once they've jumped through all the hoops, you dismiss them with something that feels like a "talk to the head" reaction.


    My problem here isn't the rule itself (though it could damn well be written in a less legalese and more understandable way).
    It's the fact that
    a) nobody gives a flip about the rule, and
    b) the UCI doesn't give a flip about nobody giving a flip about the rule.
    If you don't enforce stuff like this, how can you be expected to enforce more important rules? :S
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    Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
    « Reply #58 on: June 12, 2019, 07:39 »
    In any case, this rule ought to preclude any 'recruiting' of a rider for the following year (like Pellaud for 2020 by Savio) outside this poorly-named 'transfer period' (which is 1 August-31 December).
    The rule may be written extremely convolutedly, but the fact of it remains: Pellaud's new pro contract (or indeed Nibali's #trek signing) wasn't allowed to be announced until the beginning of August, and the fact that they were announced could be grounds for fining the riders and teams involved

    Nibali, for sure. But in Pellaud's case, I don't see a problem. Conti riders can be signed at any time anyway, Savio could hire him to get on the ship tomorrow if he likes to.
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    Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
    « Reply #59 on: June 12, 2019, 10:13 »
    Nibali, for sure. But in Pellaud's case, I don't see a problem. Conti riders can be signed at any time anyway, Savio could hire him to get on the ship tomorrow if he likes to.
    Yes, he could - but he didn't.
    It's a contract from 2020 onwards. That qualifies as 'recruiting', doesn't it? And that's only allowed in the transfer period for WT and ProConti teams. The rule doesn't say that this only applies to riders already on a pro deal.
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