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Re: Operation Aderlass
« Reply #30 on: March 05, 2019, 12:17 »
yeah, I guess analyzing those will take a little while. For a start it confirm that there is a list already though, probably with names handed over by the doctor
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    Re: Operation Aderlass
    « Reply #31 on: March 05, 2019, 12:20 »
    Aye, it does.
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    Re: Operation Aderlass
    « Reply #32 on: March 06, 2019, 00:53 »
    I wonder if these bags are going to be able to be used ....

    cant imagine Germany covering it up like Spain though - so hopefully
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    Re: Operation Aderlass
    « Reply #33 on: March 06, 2019, 06:46 »
    This has an Oil for drugs feel about it, as in it will lead to something really big
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    I can think of a couple of others who may well be nervous right now. I just wonder how long Schmidt has been at it and how many clients he had because time and scale are the big risks in this kind of operation.

    "Early 2000's" is what is says here. Schmidt is only 40 though and started his studies in 1996/97, so that probably doesn't quite add up.

    thinking about it, it could also go further back, seeing Schmidt's background, and how he was connected.

    Last week Stefan Matschiner confirmed that Schmidt's centrifuge was the one used by him in the Vienna Bloodbank affair a couple of years ago (until ~2009 or so). When Matschiner was caught, he sold it to Schmidt, together with a good amount of customers.

    Erfurt was named as one the branches of the Vienna headquarter back then (until ~2005), and much of the knowhow used in Vienna went back to GDR days.

    https://germanroadraces.de/?p=119868

    Back in those GDR days, Mark Schmidt's mother Heidrun was doctor of the "Turbine Erfurt" sports club, where systematic doping was normality.

    Until the end of 2018, his father Ansgar (now arrested as well as apparent "head" of this doping ring), in the leading positions for sports in Thuringia for 20 years , was working as a lawyer for "Spilker & Collegen" in Erfurt. That's Heinz-Jochen Spilker, former German national coach in athletics, heavily involved in doping with anabolic steroids. He even has an own model going back to him, the so called "Hammer Modell". That didn't stop anyone from making him the Vice-President of the Thuringian Sports Association of course.

    https://www.fnp.de/sport/sport-mix/thueringen-aerzten-juristen-funktionaeren-erfolg-wichtiger-ist-fairness-recht-11814175.html

    Seven years ago he was the lawyer of Andreas Franke in the UV treatment case (involving Marcel Kittel and so on), who's doctor's office is around the corner.
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    Re: Operation Aderlass
    « Reply #35 on: March 06, 2019, 10:22 »
    thinking about it, it could also go further back, seeing Schmidt's background, and how he was connected.

    Last week Stefan Matschiner confirmed that Schmidt's centrifuge was the one used by him in the Vienna Bloodbank affair a couple of years ago (until ~2009 or so). When Matschiner was caught, he sold it to Schmidt, together with a good amount of customers.

    Erfurt was named as one the branches of the Vienna headquarter back then (until ~2005), and much of the knowhow used in Vienna went back to GDR days.

    https://germanroadraces.de/?p=119868

    Back in those GDR days, Mark Schmidt's mother Heidrun was doctor of the "Turbine Erfurt" sports club, where systematic doping was normality.

    Until the end of 2018, his father Ansgar (now arrested as well as apparent "head" of this doping ring), in the leading positions for sports in Thuringia for 20 years , was working as a lawyer for "Spilker & Collegen" in Erfurt. That's Heinz-Jochen Spilker, former German national coach in athletics, heavily involved in doping with anabolic steroids. He even has an own model going back to him, the so called "Hammer Modell". That didn't stop anyone from making him the Vice-President of the Thuringian Sports Association of course.

    https://www.fnp.de/sport/sport-mix/thueringen-aerzten-juristen-funktionaeren-erfolg-wichtiger-ist-fairness-recht-11814175.html

    Seven years ago he was the lawyer of Andreas Franke in the UV treatment case (involving Marcel Kittel and so on), who's doctor's office is around the corner.

    Excellent stuff, search. Wow, this runs deep.

    What a business. Buying and selling equipment and client lists, hunting for new clients. If there is demand, it's never just going to end with Fuentes or Ferrari or Schmidt. Someone will take over the business and assume the risks.

    Schmidt had done pretty well to minimise his risks but there are so many people involved that he could never be sure. That's why the authorities busting his father and the suggestion of sports body complicity are probably the worst outcomes for him because now he has lost his protection.
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    Re: Operation Aderlass
    « Reply #36 on: March 06, 2019, 10:37 »
    We still don't know what he eats for his dinner on Tuesdays though.
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    Re: Operation Aderlass
    « Reply #37 on: March 06, 2019, 10:40 »
    it's such a rotton system over there though, with former big style dopers having major positions in the sports authorities now, keeping people like Schmidt and Franke in touch.

    Two other lawyers working for Spilker used to be politicians, responsible for the field of justice and home affairs in the state parliament - which includes all doping affairs.

    And wonder why the investigtors are sitting in Munich? Because the Thurigians saw no reason for investigations:

    https://erfurt.thueringer-allgemeine.de/web/erfurt/startseite/detail/-/specific/Skandal-um-Sportmediziner-Trotz-Hinweisen-verzichtet-Thueringen-auf-Dopingermit-1983953589

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    Re: Operation Aderlass
    « Reply #39 on: March 06, 2019, 19:40 »
    Lucky Luke! What a sacrelige. It should have been Rantanplan.
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    Re: Operation Aderlass
    « Reply #40 on: March 08, 2019, 10:16 »
    Kronen Zeitung reports today that five of the forty bags belong to Denifl alone. Maybe Rasmussen's 15-20 athlete estimate for that many bags is a bit generous.

    https://www.krone.at/1878755 (DE)

    I also read in an earlier article that Denifl's girlfriend Melanie, who works in fashion, had been questioned and had given a statement. Hard to keep this stuff private from loved ones.
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    Re: Operation Aderlass
    « Reply #41 on: March 09, 2019, 19:24 »
    some news from German media:

    - there's a Kazakh person called "The General" acting as an intermediary between the (Kazakh?) athletes and the doping network. Whether this is his real military rank or not is unknown
    - the Italian mafia is apparently involved in the background, preventing people from talking too much
    - Schmidt's assistant has made her testimony already. Schmidt himself will do so next week - and fully cooperate
    - the blood is stored frozen (instead of in a normal fridge, like Fuentes did back then). Dürr had samples re-injected three years after

    https://www.sueddeutsche.de/sport/doping-erfurt-langlauf-1.4360318
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    Re: Operation Aderlass
    « Reply #42 on: March 10, 2019, 00:09 »
    - there's a Kazakh person called "The General" acting as an intermediary between the (Kazakh?) athletes and the doping network. Whether this is his real military rank or not is unknown.

    Well, Vinokourov was awarded the rank of honorary colonel in the Kazakh army in 2000. Does that count?
    :slow

    Maybe he's since been granted a promotion.  :D
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    Re: Operation Aderlass
    « Reply #43 on: March 14, 2019, 13:01 »
    Worried for Gogl :(

    he now announced his return to racing for the Ronde van Drenthe on Sunday, so everything should be fine
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    « Reply #44 on: March 20, 2019, 08:12 »
    https://twitter.com/hajoseppelt/status/1108279667721670656

    a couple of days ago it was also reported that more names could be revealed today
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    « Reply #45 on: March 20, 2019, 12:32 »
    21 athletes have been identified so far, from 5 different sports, three of those Wintersports.

    as Hawaii is mentioned is one of the countries where transfusions took place, it's likely that Triathlon is one of them.

    http://www.spiegel.de/sport/sonst/doping-ermittlungen-im-fall-des-erfurter-arztes-mark-s-bluttransfusionen-auf-hawaii-und-in-suedkorea-a-1258799.html

    So probably we are talking about athletes from Cycling, Triathlon, Cross Country Skiing and (as I would think makes most sense) Biathlon & Nordic Combined.
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    Re: Operation Aderlass
    « Reply #46 on: May 12, 2019, 18:58 »
    https://twitter.com/hajoseppelt/status/1127581103773110272

    well, can't say I'm too surprised. And he even got an 8 on the UCI index of suspicion back then btw...
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    « Reply #47 on: May 14, 2019, 07:52 »
    Hondo has also been summarily sacked by Swiss Cycling where he was the national coach, directing the national team as recently as the Tour de Romandie.
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    « Reply #48 on: May 14, 2019, 12:26 »
    Hondo has also been summarily sacked by Swiss Cycling where he was the national coach, directing the national team as recently as the Tour de Romandie.

    Swiss rolled.

    His defence was full of holes I suspect.

    I’ll get my coat...
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    Re: Operation Aderlass
    « Reply #51 on: May 15, 2019, 15:48 »
    Kristijan Koren DNS today at the Giro....

    UCI issue a statement. Riders provisionally suspended:

    https://www.uci.org/inside-uci/press-releases/uci-statement-on-operation-aderlass
    Petacchi as well. He's fired by RAI where he was commentating on the Giro.

    And he's replaced by ... drumroll ... Stefano Garzelli. You couldn't make it up. :S
    https://dopeology.org/people/Stefano_Garzelli/
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