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Re: Paris - Nice
« Reply #30 on: March 14, 2019, 20:13 »
probably. Whatever Sky rider ends up not in the lead on the Turini, could end up with a lot of work to do on Sunday though, any maybe tumble off the podium
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    Re: Paris - Nice
    « Reply #31 on: March 15, 2019, 09:17 »
     Giving the direction of today's near gale force wind, a quick look at the map shows that much of the stage will have a tail/crosswind and the potential for echelons to form, almost at any exposed point.
     So, likely the stage will be raced at a speed that far exceeds the fastest schedule.......................right up until the final 17 kms, when the race turns north, then finally North West into the teeth of the headwind.

     Can someone shift Brignoles, please? :D
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    Re: Paris - Nice
    « Reply #32 on: March 15, 2019, 09:56 »
    in French media it said the the terrain is far less exposed to wind than in the early stages. But well... let's hope for the best ;)
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    Re: Paris - Nice
    « Reply #33 on: March 15, 2019, 18:16 »
    well, ultimately, it was a fairly straight forward sprint stage. #bahrain Bahrain and #mitchelton Mitchelton had made some efforts to reduce the bunch even further, but in the end more sprinters were (more or less) taken out of contention by crashes (Kristoff, Ewan, Laporte, Greipel) than due to the tempo on the climbs (Groenewegen, Jakobsen).



    After his good showing in the time trial, #ef Tejay lost ~6 minutes today though.

    Tomorrow the race moves further into Bernalland.



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    Re: Paris - Nice
    « Reply #34 on: March 16, 2019, 07:24 »
     More accurate?
    Completely different more like. :D



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    Re: Paris - Nice
    « Reply #35 on: March 16, 2019, 11:00 »
    yeah, however... no idea why, but it seems like the one from ASO is not correct

    edit: Monfort said that the the little descent before the start of the Turini is quite a technical one. So if anyone keeps pushing over the top of the penultimate climb, we may see some splits in that part already.
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    Re: Paris - Nice
    « Reply #36 on: March 17, 2019, 07:28 »
    well, well, in the end a massive break of 38 riders went clear early on, never to be seen again. #ef Daniel Martinez won the stage and #quickstep Phil Gilbert used the opportunity to sneak into 2nd in GC:



    back in the bunch, as expected, the climb proved to be too tough for the not-pure climbers like #yellow Kwiatkowski and #astana Luis Leon Sanchez, formerly 1st and 2nd in GC. But as it's Bernal who took over the lead, #sky Sky can probably be still happy with how things went. #movistar Quintana looked strong as well and moved up into 3rd.

    Today there's another chance to turn things around though, and the short, mountainous stage to Nice, which produced some great entertainment over the last years:



    This time it's dry and sunny though, so I'm not quite sure if it'll work in the same fashion as it used to, tbh. Compared to last year, when there were still 8 riders within a minute going into the last stage, the GC looks also more or less settled:

    1      #yellow   EGAN ARLEY BERNAL GOMEZ       -
    2      #quickstep   PHILIPPE GILBERT       + 00h 00' 45''
    3      #movistar   NAIRO QUINTANA       + 00h 00' 46''
    4      #sky   MICHAL KWIATKOWSKI       + 00h 01' 03''
    5      #mitchelton   JACK HAIG       + 00h 01' 21''
    6      #ag2r   ROMAIN BARDET       + 00h 01' 45''
    7      #jumbo   GEORGE BENNETT       + 00h 02' 20''
    8      #katusha   ILNUR ZAKARIN       + 00h 02' 52''
    9      #fdj   RUDY MOLARD       + 00h 03' 02''
    10      #quickstep   BOB JUNGELS       + 00h 03' 06''

    but well, let's hope for the best :cool
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    Re: Paris - Nice
    « Reply #37 on: March 17, 2019, 09:13 »
    No good set-up for excitement, unfortunately. The route is the same as last year: Col des Quatre Chemins instead of Col d'Eze, with as a result a shorter descent than in earlier years (15 vs 9 km). We saw last year how it can work out and perhaps Contador would have 2 more Paris-Nice on his palmares if they'd chosen this route a couple years earlier :? But with only Gilbert #deceuninck and Quintana #movistar within a minute, and Jack Haig #mitchelton the only other threat within 1.5 minute, it doesn't look good.

    Haig #mitchelton will be happy to finish top-5, but if he can snatch a podium, he'll try of course.
    Quintana #movistar doesn't even attack on a mountain finish on which he was the best or 2nd best climber and with the knowledge that he had to take time to have a chance of winning, so of course, we shouldn't expect anything from him here either.
    Gilbert #deceuninck might even be the most dangerous threat to Bernal, of course he'll do everything to stay on the podium, and the course isn't great for him, so he might be defensive and could certainly tumble down the rankings. But if he decides to look ahead instead of behind him ... :?
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    Re: Paris - Nice
    « Reply #38 on: March 17, 2019, 10:03 »
    at least #ag2r Bardet said he'll do everything to get the win today :cool

    I guess he's talking about the stage though ;)
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    Re: Paris - Nice
    « Reply #39 on: March 17, 2019, 19:04 »
    This time it's dry and sunny though, so I'm not quite sure if it'll work in the same fashion as it used to, tbh. Compared to last year, when there were still 8 riders within a minute going into the last stage, the GC looks also more or less settled

    it still was a great stage, with a big group going clear early on and #movistar Quintana attacking from far out, even taking the virtual #yellow lead for a while. In the end, #sky Sky kept things under control relatively comfortably though, and only a small margin was left for the escapees at the finish. With #astana Ion Izagirre taking another win for Astana.





    Overall it was another great edition of the race though, and fun to follow almost every day :cool
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    Re: Paris - Nice
    « Reply #40 on: March 17, 2019, 20:02 »
    The parcours of stage wasn't changed very much from the previous vintages of this favorite springtime made for tv-thriller, but there are new actors in almost all the roles now.
    #movistar Quintana did a pretty good job acting as the new Contador, attacked from quite a long way out, on the Côte de Peille, and opened a gap just large enough to actually maybe win the whole damned thing. The race was not over yet. 

    For a while it looked like the script would be followed to minute detail as it looked like it could come down to the how-many-bonuseconds can he get would decide the GC, which in Paris-Nice is somehow traditionally lost by Contador with a small handful of seconds. True to form, Quintana had to do almost all the work in the rather large front group, all the others were there just for a chance at the stage win - which in the Paris-Nice final stage is won by piggybacking on the GC attacker and then stealing his bonus seconds at the line, handing the GC to the chasing group.

    However, Quintana deviated a little from the scripted Contador role, as on the final climb of Col de Quatre Chemins (the four-way-col)  he failed to maintain the gap and it almost all came back together at the finish line. The GC attack would fail again, so let's turn to those who played the defending role. In the Paris-Nice final stage, the defening role is usually played by #sky and involves good climbers from English-speaking countries with less than firm grip on the descents. One of the changes noticed this year was that the English actually kept their wheels facing the asphalt all of the time, but the main moments in the chase, the #sky roles were played by actors from *co and *pl. The chase has never looked so solid before, the new guy in the Richie Porte role didn't actually need to come to the front once (but he did, probably because it looks great on camera  :angel. The *pl guy deserves a price as a good supporting actor.

    I guess everyone agrees it was a great stage (as always) - and hey, as usual, a spanish guy (not the Contador role) won it -  #astana again, this one with Ion Izagirre. Are they the new wolfpack of the hills? Will there be great territorial battles in the Ardennes this year? Until now I have regarded Ion as almost-Zubeldia, racing stage races with lots of good results but very seldom a win. If he would win, it was usually on a time trial. Here he was, climbing away from, amongst other good climbers who should have some legs left -  #mitchelton Simon Yates - with a strong attack after a good leadout from #ef Teejay Van Garderen. Aooouuuuuuu goes the wolves in Khazakstan..."with my brother out of the way nothing can stop me here!"

    EDIT: Removed the results tables because they are posted by Search just above here.

    Some comments:
    It seems the Colombians have a head start on the Euros this time of year?
    Best team: #sky - by a mile in the GC, points, youth and teams competition
    Most valuable rider: as I saw it , an easy selection:  - #sky Luke Rowe basically handed Bernal the win, guiding him across the plains of the Centre in stages 1 and 2. Sky couldn't have won without him.
     
    It is somewhat disappointing to see so few other teams performing as a team for the GC. #movistar Movistar this year looks weak, with only Quintana riding strong. All in all, it seemed like many of the teams performed below expectations, they were not communicating and interacting well. At the crucial moments, esepcially when the wind picked up, their teamwork failed and the GC opportunity blew away in the wind.
    For example, one could expect the Arab princes in #uae to arrange for someone like Bystrøm to guard Henao like Rowe guarded Bernal. Bystrøm is the go-to-man for wind in that team and did excellent work with Fabio Aru in the Vuelta last year.


    The Sprinters:
    As ususal few completed the race, but best sprinters it's a tie between #jumbo Groenewegen and #bora Bennett - with Groenewegen one step ahead on the flat stages and Bennett picking it up on the hilly stages where Groenewegen was too tired for a good sprint.  Honorable mention to #lotto Caleb Ewan and maybe #quickstep Fabio Jakobsen, but that more or less concludes it - which means that yes, transition seems to have taken place already! The older generation sprinters - Greipel, Kristoff, Kittel, Cavendish does not really deserve to be mentioned (!)

    #jumbo and to some degree #quickstep also showed great teamwork, and were in the same bunch as Sky when it comes to acting as an organized group with common goals. Too many teams were riding as a gang of individuals out there on the road. #uae couldn't get anything done for their money, #sunweb Sunweb had no support for Kelderman and #katusha Katusha - what is their plan? Worst of all, #didata Dimension data the whole team seems to have gone back to racing too soon after illness acquired down there? They are currently not riding at WT level, unfortunately! :(
     
    My personal opinion, this was in terms of performance perhaps one of the  hardest Paris-Nice editions even as the meteorological extremes weren't as extreme as they have been some times in the past few years. The fights for the GC and the climbing stages wins were definetly harder than last year - but the GC battle wasn't as close as we have been more or less spoiled with in this race of late. Sky always seemed one step above the rest of the teams. The sprints were both top contested and very close races, better than the GC race in my eyes!
    First and foremost P-N remains on top of the list of the one-week races! There have been many years (not last year) were I have been thinking:  it is the best stage race in France....  :-x The other one just dilutes the drama with two more weeks.


    EDIT: I didn't know search also was writing a wrap-up post, he posted while I was writing and I didn't pay attention. In other words, two for the  price of one to the rest of you.
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