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the first three stages of the 2020 Vuelta were presented today, taking place in the Netherlands:

Stage 1 (ITT):


Stage 2:


Stage 3:


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    this one is looking better:

    GRAND DÉPART OF THE TOUR DE FRANCE 2020: SOUTHBOUND

    After Fleurance (1977, 1979), Nice (1981), San Sebastian (1992), Monaco (2009) and Porto-Vecchio (2013), the Tour de France will start from the south for the 7th time as it returns to Nice.

    The first two stages of the 107th edition will consist in two opposite challenges with a course designed for the sprinters as an opener and a climbing festival the next day which should suit the best climbers of the peloton.
     
    The starts from the South of France are among the options offering unusual prospects and scenarios. By hosting the Grand Depart of the 2020 Tour de France, Nice is writing a new chapter of its long history with cycling, which started in 1906 with a first visit by the Tour. For the 100th edition, the town was also asked to provide a superb gateway onto the continent when the peloton reached the mainland from Corsica. Almost 40 years ago, the 1981 edition also started from Nice, where Bernard Hinault made another show of strength and class. The prefecture of the Alpes Maritimes department is also an annual fixture of the cycling calendar with the Race to the Sun, often providing nail-biting finales.
     
    The first stages of the 107th edition should prove just as exciting. While the riders will be forced to raise on their pedals straightaway for the ascent of cote d'Aspremont, the three laps of the circuit designed for the opening stage should normally lead to a bunch sprint on Promenade des Anglais. But the man sporting the Yellow Jersey the next morning will certainly struggle to retain it given the profile of another Nice-Nice stage this time highlighting the hilly profile of the city's hinterland. On the 190 km of the course, the riders will have to tackle col de la Colmiane, col de Turini and Col d'Eze! A fierce battle of climbers on only the second day of the race...
     
    Opening stages of the 2020 Tour de France:

    27/06/2020, stage 1: Nice moyen pays > Nice, 170 km



    28/06/2020, stage 2: Nice haut pays > Nice, 190 km
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    quite an early start there by the way, at the end of June - especially with the one of the Giro rumored to be moved to mid-May
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    quite an early start there by the way, at the end of June - especially with the one of the Giro rumored to be moved to mid-May

    I'm assuming it's olympic games related the race being a week earlier than normal. Will the whole cycling calendar be moved a week earlier to accomodate or will it just be pre tour races like the Dauphine and Suisse held a week earlier than normal.
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    I'm assuming it's olympic games related the race being a week earlier than normal. Will the whole cycling calendar be moved a week earlier to accomodate or will it just be pre tour races like the Dauphine and Suisse held a week earlier than normal.
    If I remember correctly from previous Olympic years, it's 'just' the Tour that moves - causing a ripple effect that results in the national champs and the June races also moving.

    I don't remember the Giro etc. moving, though - so that sets a 'hard limit' to how far the calendar can be pushed.
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    quite an early start there by the way, at the end of June - especially with the one of the Giro rumored to be moved to mid-May

    If I remember correctly from previous Olympic years, it's 'just' the Tour that moves - causing a ripple effect that results in the national champs and the June races also moving.

    I don't remember the Giro etc. moving, though - so that sets a 'hard limit' to how far the calendar can be pushed.

    I've just looked it up and the only time the tour actually moved for the olympics since that was opened up to Pro riders was back in 1996. That was also when the Giro was a week later than it currently is so I'm guessing that the situation will be the same as it was then with of course the other changes to the calendar that have happened in the intervening years.
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    the alleged movement of the Giro was discussed to avoid an overlap with California. Maybe the UCI has realized meanwhile that no one really cares for ATOC anyway though, whatever date it's on.
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    Budapest ist now also officially confirmed to host the start of the 2020 Giro.



    GIRO D’ITALIA 2020 WILL START FROM HUNGARY

    the exact dates and routes are still to be determined though.
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    The pre-TDU "People's Choice Classic" could be replaced by a new Australian WT race on gravel roads on from next year

    https://twitter.com/ridemediaHQ/status/1123172187727249408
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    https://www.uci.org/inside-uci/press-releases/uci-reveals-the-calendars-for-the-2020-uci-worldtour-and-uci-women%E2%80%99s-worldtour

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    The Presidential Cycling Tour of Turkey will not be registered on the 2020 UCI WorldTour calendar. This decision was taken due to the number of UCI WorldTeams taking part in the last two years being less than the minimum of 10 required by the UCI Regulations (2.15.192). Given the quality of the organisation and the importance of the Presidential Cycling Tour of Turkey for the development of cycling, the UCI is nevertheless open to the registration of the event in another class, such as the UCI ProSeries which will be launched in 2020.
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    Good riddance, really. Turkey was never on the level of even the other 'new' WT races.

    Also, the RideLondon Classic will be held on the same day as the Hamburg Cyclassics due to the Olympic Games occupying its usual spot - and the women's RideLondon Classique drops out of the WWT (for 2020, at least) as it would clash with the Ladies Tour of Norway. Instead, the CEGORRW gets the WWT label and becomes the new WWT season opener for the women.
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    I understand the need to move the Tour de France a week earlier but why have they shifted the Vuelta a week earlier?
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    I understand the need to move the Tour de France a week earlier but why have they shifted the Vuelta a week earlier?
    The Giro wouldn't move a week earlier, so they made the Vuelta do it instead? :dizzy
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    Good riddance, really. Turkey was never on the level of even the other 'new' WT races.

    I don't agree, there are few other races that can finish in the smack dab centre of one of the worlds largest cities, and in a country with a population that's growing fast compared with most others around it.  Some of that could also apply to the UAE tour but I think it is more probable that sponsors can make a fortune by selling bikes to Turks than to the Arabs, as the climate in general is more hospitable to cycling. There's also nothing wrong with the terrain on offer, just bring the racers and maintain public safety and it should be a sure sell. An opportunity to push the sport into the spotlight that was sadly missed, partly due to terrorism and war in the neighboring countries.



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    An opportunity to push the sport into the spotlight
    Yes, a cycling tour in Turkey has a lot of potential. But the race hasn't fulfilled that potential.

    It was on a good way, until and including 2015: A route that was sprinter-friendly but also with a mountaintop finish, placed in a similar place before the Giro as the Dauphiné or Tour de Suisse is before the Tour, and with an organisation that was praised all around and attracted a number of WT teams. Then some mugwump decided to commission a new race organisation from the 2016 edition onwards, and things went downhill from there.

    For many years, there had been between 6 and 9 WT teams on the startlist of 20+ teams, with the rest being ProConti teams plus the one Turkish Conti team. In 2016 (still at the late April calendar slot), there were 13 teams, of which only two were WT. 8 were ProConti, the remaining 6 were Conti.

    For 2017 and its first edition on the WorldTour, the race was moved to an unattractive October slot at short notice in the aftermath of the Turkey coup attempt. WT participation increased again to 4 of 13 teams (plus ProContis and a Turkish national team). Someone must have realised that this just wouldn't be enough to keep WT status, so in 2018, there were 9 WT teams out of 20 (the rest ProContis + Turkish national team). The 2019 edition was back in the optimal late April slot, but this also meant overlap with many more races than in October - resulting in 6 WT teams out of a total of 17 (the rest being ProContis + Turkish national team).

    I've collated the startlists all the way back to 2011:
    Year WT PCT CT *tr
    2011 (HC) 6 14 2
    2012 (HC) 9 14 2
    2013 (HC) 9 15 1
    2014 (HC) 9 10 1
    2015 (HC) 6 14 1
    2016 (HC) 2 8 5 1
    2017 (WT) 4 8 1
    2018 (WT) 9 10 1
    2019 (WT) 6 10 1

    The startlist is objectively not as high-profile as it was five years ago - and that's even after a couple of years of recovery from 2016. And yet, the race is now one category higher than it was pre-2017. That simply does not make sense.

    I don't know the exact reasons why this is so - the race not offering the same good (financial and infrastructural) conditions to teams anymore? Teams/riders not wanting to come to Turkey? Calendar clashes? Most likely it's a combination of all those.

    Demoting it to HC status[1] is the logical conclusion, even notwithstanding that a 'new' WT race has to have at least 10 participating WT teams to keep its status.
     1. which we probably should call PS status, in the same way we should say Omloop Het Nieuwsblad
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    An early version of the 2020 calendar is out on the UCI website. There are a few thing of interest.

    https://www.uci.org/road/calendar

    ProSeries

    Luxembourg has moved later in the year. A new one day race in the States (probably very flat). Turkey will continue, but at this lower level. Rumours of China hitting the jackpot and having 4 or 5 races in this category were short of the mark (at the moment).

    African Tour

    The Tour de l'Espoir (pretty much the regional qualifier for l'Avenir) shifts from Cameroon to Tunisia.

    American Tour

    No Tachira for the time being. The Vuelta a Colombia returns to the UCI level.

    Asian Tour

    A couple of new races in Saudi.

    European Tour

    A new race in Tel Aviv - will it happen? A catchicly named new race in Croatia - WINTER CYCLING CAMP - 2nd race. No races in Turkey for the time being. An "Authentic Tour of Macedonia", we certainly wouldn't want a fake one. The Ras returns! No Norwegian Hammer race.

    Oceania Tour

     :zzz2

    No wait, there is a new race here - Race Torquay.
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    An early version of the 2020 calendar is out on the UCI website. There are a few thing of interest.

    A new one day race in the States (probably very flat).

    There is?

    In the United States? :slow

    Which one? (Race, that is. Not state.)  :P

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    Oh, now I see (that UCI site is a bit strange to search on).

    MARYLAND CYCLING CLASSIC
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    I'll be extremely generous and give this one to two years—tops:-x

    Baltimore's inner-city is one of the most corrupt and crime-ridden in the entire nation. No way is this going to last. And no way is it going to bring in the absurd “$20 million benefit” that's being projected.  Nice wordplay there, btw. Please define "benefit" as opposed to "dollars."
     :S

    Don't book your hotels just yet.
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    The event will secure needed permits after working with the city and any counties the race enters on determining the best route, said Hasseltine, also vice president of communications for the Maryland Stadium Authority.

    He added that while the Baltimore region is the focus of the event and organizers have preliminary support from city officials, if talks were to break down, the event would remain in the state and could be run outside the city.

    Yeah, like waaaay outside the city.

    Richmond is only 2.5 hours away.  :cool

    To be completely fair to the city of Baltimore though, I've heard that the boardwalk and area surrounding Camden Yards, where the Baltimore Oriels baseball team plays, is supposed to be beautifully done.




    Not to be confused with the other side of town. *usa
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    My reactions:
    A couple of new races in Saudi.
    Organised by ASO, at that. I guess they replaced the *qa :betting with *sa :betting ... :-x

    European Tour

    A new race in Tel Aviv - will it happen?
    This one's organised by RCS, so it probably will happen. Giro legacy event, and with a local WT team at the start. Sylvan Adams' :betting is working.

    A catchicly named new race in Croatia - WINTER CYCLING CAMP - 2nd race.
    But where is "WINTER CYCLING CAMP - 1st race"? :slow
    What they mean is probably that it's the second edition ... but then there was no first edition, at least not as a UCI race.
    Organised by Vladimir Miholjević who's also behind the CRO Race (and used to be (co-)organising the Tour of Croatia until his split with Ivan Črnjarić in April - since the latter's race was then cancelled five days before the start, we now know who held the purse strings in that relationship).

    No races in Turkey for the time being.
    The Presidential Tour of Turkey is listed now.
    We'll see if and how it gets held, and who will turn up.

    An "Authentic Tour of Macedonia", we certainly wouldn't want a fake one.
    Held in *gr, not *mk: The Greeks want to make very clear which is the "authentic" Macedonia.
    Mind you, the race website given on the UCI site doesn't work, so maybe don't hold your breath ...

    The Ras returns!
    The Rás website does work, but is still in 2018.
    Fingers crossed, I like the Rás.

    No Norwegian Hammer race.
    Also listed now, in late May while Limburg has 'moved' to August. Hong Kong (cancelled this year when it should have been a one-day event) now listed as two days.
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    Oh, now I see (that UCI site is a bit strange to search on).

    MARYLAND CYCLING CLASSIC
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    I'll be extremely generous and give this one to two years—tops:-x
    Their Social Media game is of such a quality that I found myself commenting on it while on holiday:
    https://twitter.com/lukascph/status/1182441556797775873
    https://twitter.com/lukascph/status/1182451088026456064
    https://twitter.com/lukascph/status/1182445028435791876

    I'll be happily surprised if the race does go ahead, isn't a sprintfest, and survives for more than one edition.

    At least the race logo is gorgeous:

    What Alaphilippe and Colombian fans have to do with the race (and if anybody in the wider US populace could even identify either) is anyone's guess, though.
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    What Alaphilippe and Colombian fans have to do with the race (and if anybody in the wider US populace could even identify either) is anyone's guess, though.

    I think you've perfectly encapsulated my deepest suspicions. And although that pic of Ala and the Colombians could be dismissed by some as something trivial, I think it clearly points to the carelessness and thoughtlessness that likely permeates the entire organization behind this event. I won't be the least bit surprised if it never happens.

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    https://cyclingpro.net/spaziociclismo/vuelta-2020/vuelta-a-espana-2020-la-terza-tappa-passera-dentro-la-chiesa-di-breda/

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    the alleged movement of the Giro was discussed to avoid an overlap with California. Maybe the UCI has realized meanwhile that no one really cares for ATOC anyway though, whatever date it's on.

    You know, back when ATOC moved from early season to compete with the Giro I thought they were making a mistake. Officially, it would seem that ATOC has done well in the later time slot. Although, I personally tend to agree with you on this. They've (ATOC) done a half decent job of spicing things up by including mt-top finishes and the like. But, I've only got so much time in the day to pay attention to races - and the Giro wins that competition.
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     :o  :D :party

    https://twitter.com/AmgenTOC/status/1189288363884503041

    Amen, Tour of California.  :-x  :angel


    https://twitter.com/inrng/status/1189293081524346881


    I suppose this means we're back to only three "Grand Tours" now.  :lol
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    Well.
    I can't honestly say that I'll miss the race. Massively wide roads, far too many sprints, average-at-best mountain finishes, and held around midnight for us here in Europe.

    But I, and cycling in general, will likely end up missing the 'shop window' in the North American market that California provided.
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    Well.
    I can't honestly say that I'll miss the race.

    And I don't mean to be unnecessarily harsh (no, really!  :P) about the demise of ToC, but when it's looked back upon, what will anyone really remember?

    :tumbleweed

    That says more to me than anything.
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    but when it's looked back upon, what will anyone really remember?

    :tumbleweed

    no no no. The baldies storming up Mount Baldy was one of my favorite cycling moments ever

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    when it's looked back upon, what will anyone really remember?
    I learned from the ToC that there was a village/town in California, Solvang, that makes a living from being Scandinavian (or whatever the average American thinks is Scandinavian). :)
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    I couldn't agree with this more.

    https://twitter.com/Vaughters/status/1189505363906891776

    Excluding the smaller domestic races and crit scene, the U.S. has always had an identity crisis when trying to position itself on the international cycling calendar. At its best, it's cute; at its worst, it's downright embarrassing.

    Watching some of the bigger events often feels like you're being presented the Disney version of European cycling. They use similar terminology, and play off of cycling's legitimate history, but the end result usually seems sterilized and underwhelming when compared to the real thing. Fancy packaging only goes so far when the product inside is a cheap knock-off.

    Making it even weirder still: The fans often play along, as if characters in a Disney production as well. They want to be seen imitating European fan behavior, promoting European food and drink, and generally searching for acceptance as "true" cycling fans. I understand that much of it is just people having fun with the imagery, but it's odd.
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