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[WT] Tour of California
« on: April 29, 2019, 19:52 »
Amgen Tour of California 12th - 18th May



Stage 1  »  Sacramento  ›  Sacramento (143km)



Last year it was a South-North route and thus with it being the reverse this round, we'll naturally begin where last year's course finished with a sprint in Sacramento. Previous winners include Gaviria, Kittel and Cavendish.

Stage 2  »  Rancho Cordova  ›  South Lake Tahoe (194.5km)



Same finishing line as last year's stage 6, but crucially without the preceding Daggett Summit. The profile is much more like stage 5 in 2016 when Skujins won from the break.

Stage 3  »  Stockton  ›  Morgan Hill (207km)



One for the break?

Stage 4  »  Raceway Laguna Seca  ›  Morro Bay (212.5km)



The race pretty much follows the coast for all 200+km. Some nice scenery (Big Sur etc), but we'll need wind or something to make it worth watching.

Stage 5  »  Pismo Beach  ›  Ventura (218.5km)



Could be some GC action towards the end of the stage. Steep kicker with bonifications up for grabs at the summit. 5km from the top to the finish line.

Stage 6  »  Ontario  ›  Mount Baldy (127.5km)



Talansky, Alaphilippe, Gesink and Levi are the previous winners. Time gaps shouldn't be massive coming into the stage, so a lot of riders might still fancy their chances.

Stage 7  »  Santa Clarita  ›  Pasadena (141km)



Almost an exact replica of stage 7 in 2014 which ended in a ~50 man sprint, but three years later Rally (Huffman and Britton) plus some riff-raff mugged the peloton.

First time the race will not have a TT! Not the greatest looking parcour, but we'll see what happens.


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    Re: [WT] Tour of California
    « Reply #1 on: April 29, 2019, 20:59 »
    #teamusa

    https://www.usacycling.org/article/usa-cycling-announces-team-for-2019-amgen-tour-of-california

    Sam Boardman
    Miguel Bryon
    Michael Hernandez
    Alex Hoehn
    Travis McCabe
    Tyler Stites
    Keegan Swirbul

    While McCabe has done very well in the other big US races, he's never really been able to replicate that in California. That probably won't change here, but he is their best available sprint option. Swirbul might be able to do a top 10 or 15 if he has good day on Baldy.

    From the initial long list of ten, the three who missed out are Putt, Williams and Rhim.

    Anybody they missed?

    I'm assuming Warbasse and Bookwalter have prior engagements with their respective teams. Otherwise I would have gone with one of them as a road captain.

    Gage Hecht had a bad crash earlier in the season (fractured skull) and has only just got back on his bike the past few weeks. The race has come too early for him.

    Stephen Bassett is the guy in form this year. Won the Queen stage at Redlands and followed that up with the GC at Joe Martin. Unlucky to miss out you feel.
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    Re: [WT] Tour of California
    « Reply #2 on: April 29, 2019, 21:29 »
    Stephen Bassett is the guy in form this year. Won the Queen stage at Redlands and followed that up with the GC at Joe Martin. Unlucky to miss out you feel.

    ...for the same reason as some guys in TDU last year:

    https://twitter.com/StephenBassett_/status/1119421356158926849
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    Re: [WT] Tour of California
    « Reply #3 on: April 30, 2019, 01:12 »
    I can't believe it's time for this race again. More than any other, this event always seems to catch me off guard.
    (Maybe because it's usually so forgettable, year-to-year?  :shh)

    #teamusa

    https://www.usacycling.org/article/usa-cycling-announces-team-for-2019-amgen-tour-of-california

    Huh?  :S
    I had to look into this as I wasn't sure if I had just been living under a rock, or something. But no!
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    Colorado Springs, Colo. - USA Cycling announced today the seven riders to compete on the U.S. National Team at the 2019 Amgen Tour of California. This is the first time USA Cycling will be fielding a men’s team since the inaugural Tour of California.

    “This will be my first time wearing the Red White and Blue National Team kit and I couldn’t be more excited and proud,” said McCabe, “I came into the sport late in my career but have always worked relentlessly to achieve my goals and this is a big one that I can finally check off. What makes it even better is that the Amgen Tour of California begin on my 30th birthday this year and I can’t think of a better way to celebrate than to represent USA Cycling in the biggest race North America has to offer the world.”


    Here's hoping for some interventions from Mother Nature to make 2019 memorable in one way or another. We've seen snow cancellations in Tahoe, and brutal wind and rain for a bridge crossing, but if typical California weather prevails this year, well...

    I wonder if CVV is doing commentary with Phil?
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    Re: [WT] Tour of California
    « Reply #4 on: April 30, 2019, 01:59 »
    I was surprised to see no Hincapie team, or I'm a just missing something? I get confused with all the name changes that organization has gone through over the years.

    I guess they're officially Arapahoe|Hincapie p/b BMC  this year?

    It's still confusing to me.
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    Hincapie Racing is pleased to announce that Arapahoe Resources and BMC Switzerland have increased their commitments for the 2019 season, allowing the team to apply for Continental status and sign on nine riders for the upcoming year.

    But then there's this, which maybe explains their absence from California?
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    The Hincapie Racing team was unable to meet the recent UCI deadline for declaring as a Professional Continental team. However, the team still anxiously looks toward the 2019 season, remaining committed to a program that will eventually lead toward the goal of becoming a World Tour team.

    Honestly, this sport is confusing enough to me with as it is. Trying to stay abreast of the U.S. side of things requires more than I'm capable of.
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    Re: [WT] Tour of California
    « Reply #5 on: April 30, 2019, 08:28 »
    I was surprised to see no Hincapie team, or I'm a just missing something? I get confused with all the name changes that organization has gone through over the years.
    Basically, they missed the deadline to register for ProConti (probably because they hadn't secured enough sponsors at that point), so are only Conti this year. And unlike two years ago, Conti teams aren't allowed to do WT races anymore.

    As for their 'goal of becoming a WorldTour team' ... :-x

    Stephen Bassett is the guy in form this year. Won the Queen stage at Redlands and followed that up with the GC at Joe Martin. Unlucky to miss out you feel.
    ...for the same reason as some guys in TDU last year:
    I feel sorry for the guy. He can't help it that his team isn't automatically part of that testing pool. Redlands was in March, which would have left enough time to put him in there - while Joe Martin finishes only five weeks before California begins. But he also won Oak Glen (seven weeks to go) ...
    So, whose responsibility is it? Riders who desire selection to get into the testing pool on their own initiative (and cost?), or USA Cycling to put riders who perform well into the testing pool as quickly as possible?
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    Re: [WT] Tour of California
    « Reply #6 on: April 30, 2019, 09:30 »
    It could (partly) just be a cost thing. I don't think the US Federation are wildly flush with cash. Are some of the selected riders already on ADAMS or the bio-passport? I dunno, but it may explain a left field pick like Boardman.
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    Re: [WT] Tour of California
    « Reply #7 on: May 05, 2019, 15:52 »
    #academy

    https://twitter.com/yallaACADEMY/status/1125046535627182085

    Sagiv
    Cataford
    Badilatti
    Schreurs
    Enger
    Avila

    Only six riders? But they say ICA 7?
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    Re: [WT] Tour of California
    « Reply #8 on: May 05, 2019, 16:50 »
    Only six riders? But they say ICA 7?
    Some video mixup.

    https://twitter.com/yallaACADEMY/status/1125057412011036673

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    Re: [WT] Tour of California
    « Reply #9 on: May 06, 2019, 08:38 »
    #novonordisk

    https://www.teamnovonordisk.com/2019-amgen-tour-of-california-preview/

    Sam Brand (GBR)
    Fabio Calabria (AUS)
    Joonas Henttala (FIN)
    Peter Kusztor (HUN)
    David Lozano (ESP)
    Andrea Peron (ITA)
    Charles Planet (FRA)

    From those seven riders, Lozano has the most race days this season with eleven. Burnout won't be an issue.

    #trek

    https://twitter.com/TrekSegafredo/status/1125035918086115328

    Which Porte will turn up? I think it might be the TDU version.
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    Re: [WT] Tour of California
    « Reply #10 on: May 06, 2019, 08:50 »
    #deceuninck

    https://www.deceuninck-quickstep.com/en/news/3899/deceuninck-quick-step-to-tour-of-california

    Fabio Jakobsen
    Kasper Asgreen
    Rémi Cavagna
    Tim Declercq
    Michael Mørkøv
    Maximiliano Richeze
    Zdenek Stybar

    Both Morkov and Richeze here for Jakobsen. It shows how much they value this race, but could Viviani not use one of them over in Italy?
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    Re: [WT] Tour of California
    « Reply #11 on: May 07, 2019, 17:48 »
    #ineos



    #bora



    Just one win so far this year for Sagan and more tellingly the performances we've been used to just aren't there (I think anyway). He had that bit of illness and the breakdown of his marriage can't have helped, but when does a blip turn into something more serious? Speaking of which......

    Het Nieuwsblad is reporting that Kittel will miss this race. Things really are reaching crisis point with him. Next thing we know he'll be getting an ilaic operation.
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    Re: [WT] Tour of California
    « Reply #12 on: May 07, 2019, 20:40 »


    I'm not gonna watch it, but somebody else might want to.
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    Re: [WT] Tour of California
    « Reply #13 on: May 07, 2019, 21:35 »
    My man Higuita gets his first outing with his new WT team
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    Re: [WT] Tour of California
    « Reply #14 on: May 08, 2019, 20:16 »
    #bahrain



    http://teambahrainmerida.com/a-strong-six-pack-of-tbm-heading-california-and-leaded-by-rohan-dennis/

    I couldn't tell you a single race that Dennis has done since the TDU. Well after checking PCS, maybe if I'd thought about it a bit more I could have come up with TA, but the point still stands that he has been fairly anonymous with no climbing performances to talk about.

    #uae



    http://www.uaeteamemirates.com/pogacar-guida-luae-team-emirates-nel-tour-california/

    Potential GC winner here. Philipsen might fancy his chances too against a "weak" sprint field.

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    Re: [WT] Tour of California
    « Reply #15 on: May 08, 2019, 20:27 »
    #cofidis

    https://twitter.com/TeamCOFIDIS/status/1126139695803408386

    #sunweb

    https://www.wielerflits.nl/nieuws/team-sunweb-met-drietal-nederlanders-op-jacht-naar-ritsucces-in-californie/

    Cees Bol
    Roy Curvers
    Johannes Fröhlinger
    Joris Nieuwenhuis
    Casper Pedersen
    Michael Storer
    Max Walscheid

    Walscheid should do well on the two nailed on sprint days and maybe Bol can get in the mix on the reduced group sprint stages, but it's asking a lot for Storer to play any part in the GC action. Just getting in breaks might be a better target.
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    Re: [WT] Tour of California
    « Reply #16 on: May 09, 2019, 18:21 »
    #astana



    #ccc

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    Re: [WT] Tour of California
    « Reply #17 on: May 10, 2019, 10:03 »
    #ef



    TJ is a past winner, Craddock has a podium, Morton has a top-ten and Phinney has won a stage. However all the eyes are on Archie's man.

    #katusha

    https://twitter.com/katushacycling/status/1126537371850280961
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    Re: [WT] Tour of California
    « Reply #18 on: May 11, 2019, 14:15 »
    Estimated local finish time for the stages:

    Stage 1 - 5:40pm
    Stage 2 - 3:40pm
    Stage 3 - 3:40pm
    Stage 4 - 3:40pm
    Stage 5 - 3:40pm
    Stage 6 - 3:40pm
    Stage 7 - 1:40pm

    Add 3 for the East Coast, 8 for UK and Ireland and 9 for continental Europe. You're on your own for stage 1 Drumbo!
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    Re: [WT] Tour of California
    « Reply #19 on: May 11, 2019, 14:21 »


    The full list is here as you may be missing a few riders or a row of teams off the bottom.
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    Re: [WT] Tour of California
    « Reply #20 on: May 11, 2019, 14:55 »
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    Nobody!

     :onfire1 :onfire1 Pogacar and Bennett

    The Slovenian is having a great season, but it's all been pretty much on hilly terrain rather than big long climbs. Just a small question mark otherwise he would be a 3 star rider. Bennett is a previous winner and that particular edition included Baldy. Previous knowledge could be crucial on the GC defining day.

     :onfire1 Schachmann, Uran, Porte, Higuita, McNulty and Swirbul

    Uran is coming back from injury. Porte is just a big ? as to which one will turn up. Schachmann isn't the best on the big stuff (at the moment), but the standard here isn't that high and with bonuses or small gaps on other stages he still could feature in the GC.

    There are plenty of other guys who might have a chance of a top-ten or so, but currently haven't got much form to base that on.

    Sprints

     :onfire1 :onfire1 :onfire1 Sagan and Jakobsen

    I might have pointed out Sagan's woes earlier in the thread, but it's not as if he's suddenly become totally rubbish. Just a bit of a dip in form, but he loves California and unlike most of the other sprinters, he could feature in reduced group finishes.

     :onfire1 :onfire1 Degenkolb and Van Poppel

     :onfire1 Walscheid, Philipsen and Bauhaus

    Breaks

    Skujins, Ballerini, Brown, King, Hernandez and Planet
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    Re: [WT] Tour of California
    « Reply #21 on: May 11, 2019, 15:04 »
     I think I'd probably give Grosschartner a sun, as well.
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    Re: [WT] Tour of California
    « Reply #22 on: May 13, 2019, 02:55 »
    Estimated local finish time for the stages:

    Stage 1 - 5:40pm

    Add 3 for the East Coast, 8 for UK and Ireland and 9 for continental Europe. You're on your own for stage 1 Drumbo!

    Even with this forewarning, for some reason, I still confused the times. :fp

    I had set the DVR to record what, in my mind, was a condensed, 3-hour, re-broadcast. But I ended up being around for it, so I watched it. Even though the screen clearly said "Live", I had convinced myself that what I was watching had already taken place, so the entire time I was afraid to go online for fear of any spoilers I might encounter.

    As it turned out, I was watching the actual live broadcast as it happened. As a result of my ignorance, however,  you'll find that the Live Chat here was pretty sparse
    :D

    For the most part, however, the lingering sentiment for me was:
    God, this race is so unbelievably friggin' boring!!!!
    Having to listen to Phil talk about absolutely nothing,; watching a two-man breakaway that had zero chance of anything; occasional attempts by Bob Roll and CVV to pretend that something worhwhile was taking place; and then, insult to injury, having Jens Voigt chime in towards the end was just too much.

    Assuming that what was on TV had already happened, I mostly had it on the background, and had fully convinced myself that I was done with this race before it had barely even started. Perfect weather in California only added to the boredom. But a few things got my attention in the final minute.

    - I began to sense that my broadcast was, in fact, live, so that made me sit up a bit.

    - The sprint seemed a bit disorganized, and Sagan managed to tag onto a  #ineos leadout that somehow hadn't realized who they were inadvertently working for.

    -Travis McCabe made a bold run for the line, and kept Sagan honest right up until the final bike lunge. It was nice to the Stars & Stripes with a strong showing.

    What really surprised though, more than anything, was Sagan's unmistakable exuberance after his victory. He was genuinely thrilled with his achievement. He seemed really, really happy about it. I'll admit that the California cynic in me was a bit perplexed by this.
     :P

    I understand that he's been struggling, and not living up to expectations this season, but I didn't think another stage win in Cali would be so redeeming for him. But clearly he was moved by it.

    While I thought that McCabe would've been sorely disappointed with coming so close to a stage win of his own, on the contrary, he was nothing but laughter and smiles during his post-race interview. He was thrilled just to have been in the mix, and was more than happy with having crossed the line second behind the former World Champion Sagan.

    It was also McCabe's 30th Birthday today, so that put him in an extra-good mood as well. His ultimate ambition for this race is a podium position in the final GC, and he personally believes some of the upcoming stages are more suited to him, as he doesn't consider himself a pure sprinter. He seemed sincerely, and pleasantly, surprised by his achievement today.
     :)

    The only other notable event in the final few minutes was the the failure of the handbell as the peloton began their final lap of the finishing circuit—much to the dismay of the bell-ringer himself. You had one job! Ever the gracious participant, though, Peter Sagan could be seen lending his hand to the repair of the bell just prior to walking on stage to receive his leader's jersey.
     :cool
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    Re: [WT] Tour of California
    « Reply #23 on: May 13, 2019, 08:18 »
    Anyone understand the youth jersey comp rules?
    Apparently this is under 25 comp and Stites is leading but Halvorsen finished ahead of him at the line.
    What do I not understand ??
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    Re: [WT] Tour of California
    « Reply #24 on: May 13, 2019, 08:44 »
    he took some bonus seconds at the first intermediate sprints, that's why he is up in gc (and therefor also in the youth classification)
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    Re: [WT] Tour of California
    « Reply #25 on: May 13, 2019, 08:48 »
    he took some bonus seconds at the first intermediate sprints, that's why he is up in gc (and therefor also in the youth classification)
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    Re: [WT] Tour of California
    « Reply #26 on: May 13, 2019, 09:38 »
    https://twitter.com/AmgenTOC/status/1127739754491940864

    I only watched a replay of the last 15km or so. Some of the teams were very eager to get early trains going. Too eager. Deceuninck got the timing just about right and hit the front with just over 1km to go. Just one problem - Jakobsen was nowhere to be seen. According to the team's report he got boxed in going round the penultimate corner.

    Sagan was the main one to profit, but McCabe (a young sprinter according to Phil) also did a great job for the US team. Since the legs are obviously there, McCabe could be one of the few (or only?) quicks in with a chance today.



    There was a bonus sprint with ~10km to go. The beneficiaries from it were Mads Pedersen, Grossssschartner and Bennett (in that order). We can draw a few inferences from that.

    Pedersen was there to stop others from getting extra seconds --- Porte is feeling good?

    Grossssssssssschartner continuing on from Turkey and Romandie? I don't think so as he then finished 15 seconds back at the finish  --- Schachmann must be Bora's guy for GC?
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    Re: [WT] Tour of California
    « Reply #27 on: May 13, 2019, 14:57 »
    McCabe (a young sprinter according to Phil)
    When you're almost an octogenarian, a 30-year-old is young ... ;)

    For the most part, however, the lingering sentiment for me was:
    God, this race is so unbelievably friggin' boring!!!!
    Not going to argue against this! :-x
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    Re: [WT] Tour of California
    « Reply #28 on: May 13, 2019, 17:54 »
    Grossssssssssschartner continuing on from Turkey and Romandie? I don't think so as he then finished 15 seconds back at the finish.

    This has been amended and he was given +4s. Must have had a mech.
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    Re: [WT] Tour of California
    « Reply #29 on: May 13, 2019, 20:57 »
    Drummer boy, I liked your recap of you watching the Tour of California. In fact, I spent more time reading it than watching the race.

    Grossssssssssschartner continuing on from Turkey and Romandie? I don't think so as he then finished 15 seconds back at the finish  --- Schachmann must be Bora's guy for GC?

    It wouldn't make sense for Großschartner to go for the intermediate sprints when  #bora has better sprinters in the race when he's not going for the GC. But I guess they let the road decide.
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