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Back in 2014 CJ2002 and I discussed an alternative classification. An animation classification, that rewards the riders that help make the race what it is with a special jersey. Essentially the classification is a quantification of the combativity award. The original thread can be found here: http://velorooms.com/index.php?topic=5982.0 Back then the eventual winner was Martin Elminger with 923 points barely edging out Allesandro de Marchi by 13 point.

Now I figured since it is five years since the invention - and since I was watching the tour with its predictable attacks at the end of the doomed break of the day for the chance to wear a red number. I figured this could do with a revival.

I will try to keep up to date on the rankings. I will post the rankings from the first few stages shorty.

Now the rules for how points are scored:
2pts are awarded for every mountain point a rider gets
1 pt is awarded for every point in the sprinter classification a rider gets
1 pt is awarded for every km a rider has been ahead of the peloton in the race[1]
 1. Since this can be debated, I will use the official stage summary to calculate the km ahead of peloton bonus
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    Stage 1 classification
    RankRider namePointsKMSCMC
    1Xandro Meurisse12912504
    2Kasper Asgren12512500
    2Natnael Berhane12512500
    4Greg Van Avermaet7550214
    5Peter Sagan500500
    5Mike Teunissen500500
    7Stéphane Rosetto494900
    8Sonny Colbrelly330330
    9Michael Matthews270270
    10Matteo Trentin230230
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    Stage 3 update

    Early in the race the classification continues to be dominated by riders who have been in the breakaways on stages 1 and 3 wit

    RankRider namePointsKMSCMC
    1Stéphane Rossetto237222150
    2Tim Wellens2191871814
    3Paul Ourselin193173200
    4Yoann Offredo190173170
    5Anthony Deleplace186173130
    6Xandro Meurisse142125116
    7Kasper Asgren12612510
    8Natnael Berhane12512500
    9Greg Van Avermaet9450404
    10Peter Sagan760760
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    Stage 4 Update

    The classification continues being dominated by the riders that have been in the breakaway on multiple days. Also for the third day in a row there is a change of the rider in 1st (discounting the TTT on stage 2).

    RankRider namepointsKMSCMC
    1Yoann Offredo379347320
    2Stéphane Rossetto237222150
    3Michael Schär224197252
    4Tim Wellens2191871814
    5Frederik Backaert217197200
    6Paul Ourselin193173200
    7Anthony Delaplace186173130
    8Xandro Meurisse142125116
    9Kasper Asgren 12612510
    10Natnael Berhane12512500
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    Stage 5 update

    Without taking a point in stage 5 Offredo manages to defend the jersey none the less, however Wellens is closing the gap.

    RankRider namePointsKMSCMC
    1Yoann Offredo379347320
    2Tim Wellens3713063134
    3Stéphane Rossetto237222150
    4Michael Schär224197252
    5Frederik Backaert217197200
    6Paul Ourselin193173200
    7Anthony Delaplace186173130
    8Tom Skujins1681341519
    9Xandro Meurisse1541251712
    10Simon Clarke147119208
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    Stage 6 update

    First day in the mountains, and a real shakeup in the classification. 4 new riders in the top 10 and Tim Wellens racking up a 199 point lead to the prior leader Offredo in second.

    RankRider namePointsKMSCMC
    1Tim Wellens5784583486
    2Yoann Offredo379347320
    3Xandro Meurisse3742823854
    4Natnael Berhane295262726
    5Giulio Ciccone2381572556
    6Stéphane Rossetto237222150
    7Michael Schär224197252
    8Frederik Backaert217197200
    9Dylan Teuns2131573026
    10Paul Ourselin193173200
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    Stage 7 update

    A long stage, and a great chance to collect points for the jersey. Interesting to see how many times the same riders have been in the breaks in this race. Could see a winner with a great deal of points in the end.

    Rank Rider namePointsKMSCMC
    1Yoann Offredo620565496
    2Tim Wellens5784583486
    3Stéphane Rossetto479440354
    4Xandro Meurisse3742823854
    5Natnael Berhane295262726
    6Giolio Ciccone2381572556
    7Michael Schär224197252
    8Frederik Backaert217197200
    9Dylan Teuns2131573026
    10Paul Ourselin199173260
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    Stage 8 update

    De Gendt signs into the competition with 305pts for the day, and looks like a likely contender for glory in Paris. Of note on the stage is also Wellens grabbing 5pts in the bonus sprint, you would think he was racing for this classification :lol Also Sagan is closing in on the top 10 with 204 points, and might well crack it on Stage 9.

    RankRider namePointsKMSCMC
    1Yoann Offredo620565496
    2Tim Wellens5834583986
    3Stéphane Rossetto479440354
    4Thomas De Gendt4683425274
    5Xandro Meurisse3872825154
    6Natnael Berhane295262726
    7Giolio Ciccone2381572556
    8Michael Schär224197252
    9Frederik Backaert217197200
    10Dylan Teuns2131573026
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    Stage 9 update

    A big break soaks up all the points, and Sagan stays out of the top ten for at least another day.

    RankRider namePointsKMSCMC
    1Yoann Offredo620565496
    2Tim Wellens5834583986
    3Stéphane Rossetto479440354
    4Thomas De Gendt4683425274
    5Xandro Meurisse3872825154
    6Anthony Delaplace3813303516
    7Simon Clarke321276378
    8Natnael Berhane295262726
    9Jasper Stuyven2601571030
    10Giolio Ciccone2381572556
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    Stage 10 update

    On a wild day in the race, the animation clasification remains fairly calm (Given that Yellow jersey group is considered the peloton today, another sorting of this, and it could have changed a lot).

    RankRider namePointsKMSCMC
    1Yoann Offredo620565496
    2Tim Wellens5834583986
    3Natnael Berhane5124551740
    4Stéphane Rossetto479440354
    5Thomas De Gendt4683425274
    6Michael Schär416378362
    7Xandro Meurisse3872825154
    8Anthony Delaplace3813303516
    9Mads Würtz355312412
    10Simon Clarke321276378
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    Stage 11 update

    For the first time in a while, there is a new leader in the standings.

    RankRider namePointsKMSCMC
    1Stéphane Rossetto652600484
    2Yoann Offredo620565496
    3Tim Wellens5834583986
    4Natnael Berhane5124551740
    5Thomas De Gendt4733425774
    6Michael Schär416378362
    7Xandro Meurisse3872825154
    8Anthony Delaplace3813303516
    9Mads Würtz355312412
    10Simon Clarke321276378
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    Stage 12 update

    Wow what a stage, took a while to rack up the results. KM points for riders not named Sagan that did not finish ahead of the pack from the break are all fairly rough estimates as to when they was caught.

    Also huge changes in the standings!

    RankRider namePointsKMSCMC
    1Tim Wellens73558839108
    2Stéphane Rossetto652600484
    3Yoann Offredo620565496
    4Natnael Berhane5124551740
    5Simon Clarke5094465112
    6Thomas De Gendt4733425774
    7Jasper Stuyven4593271320
    8Tiesj Benoot4203276132
    9Michael Schär416378362
    10Peter Sagan4071302770
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    Stage 13 update

    Not a whole lot has changed on the ITT in the standings. Top 10 is the same apart from the 15 points gained by De Gendt

    RankRider namePointsKMSCMC
    1Tim Wellens73558839108
    2Stéphane Rossetto652600484
    3Yoann Offredo620565496
    4Natnael Berhane5124551740
    5Simon Clarke5094465112
    6Thomas De Gendt4883427274
    7Jasper Stuyven4593271320
    8Tiesj Benoot4203276132
    9Michael Schär416378362
    10Peter Sagan4071302770
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    Did I hear that the overall Combativité award is now a summation of the breakaway km rather than the votes of journalists?
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    Did I hear that the overall Combativité award is now a summation of the breakaway km rather than the votes of journalists?


    I would love for that to happen, but so far it is just my very own wet fantasy I am afraid :D

    It is more than simply breakaway KM though: mountain points doubled and sprint points are added in here as well.

    I would argue one adjustment that might be a good idea is changing the KM points to ½ point per Km until Km 100, 1 point from Km 100-50 and then 2 points per Km for the last 50.

    The reason I like this idea is:
    - Break is rewarded for staying together, rather than attacking aimlessly for a red number
    - Sprints for points and mountain point sprints will be more hectic as random riders will join in for combative points

    Also it is a nice mix of different rewards:
    - Points for being in the break
    - Points for sprinting at point sprint
    - Points for mountain classification
    - Points for winning stages
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    I would love for that to happen, but so far it is just my very own wet fantasy I am afraid :D

    It is more than simply breakaway KM though: mountain points doubled and sprint points are added in here as well.

    I would argue one adjustment that might be a good idea is changing the KM points to ½ point per Km until Km 100, 1 point from Km 100-50 and then 2 points per Km for the last 50.

    The reason I like this idea is:
    - Break is rewarded for staying together, rather than attacking aimlessly for a red number
    - Sprints for points and mountain point sprints will be more hectic as random riders will join in for combative points

    Also it is a nice mix of different rewards:
    - Points for being in the break
    - Points for sprinting at point sprint
    - Points for mountain classification
    - Points for winning stages


    Yeah, I'm aware that what you are collating here, but I was, I thought, citing what one of the TV commentators had said.

    I'm fairly sure that is what I heard, but checking the rule book (Article 25f) shows that either I misheard or the commentator was getting confused with the Giro's Premio della Fuga.
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    I'm fairly sure that is what I heard, but checking the rule book (Article 25f) shows that either I misheard or the commentator was getting confused with the Giro's Premio della Fuga.

    As far as that goes it is a somewhat decent rule of thumb. I don't have numbers for any other year than 2014, when CJ2000 did the calculations. As seen below Elminger had the most breakaway KM and won our version, but De Marchi (2nd in our version) won the jury vote in Paris.

    Overall Standings

    RiderTeamBreakaway (km)Sprint PointsMountain PointsTOTALDifference
    1Elmiger #iam81210159230
    2de Marchi #cannondale6817378910-13
    3Gautier #europcar765.57912868.5-54.5



    From memory, I would say that the jury likes rewarding being in the breakaway on non-sprint stages more than on sprint stages. Also being involved (but not winning) the mountain classification seems to be viewed as a positive. Wearing red numbers on multiple stages is obviously a positive. 

    I think more times than not the jury will select someone in the top 3 of this classification. Right now my money would be on Wellens to take it overall. Especially if he tries to defend his climbers jersey by being in the break. But in the end he ultimately fails.
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    Stage 14 update

    Wellens has opened up a sizeable gap, I think he might hold the jersey in Paris, given that he will likely be in the breaks again for the mountain classification. However Sagan is also shooting up the table.

    RankRider namePointsKMSCMC
    1Tim Wellens85366659128
    2Stéphane Rossetto652600484
    3Yoann Offredo620565496
    4Natnael Berhane5124551740
    5Simon Clarke5094465112
    6Peter Sagan4942102840
    7Thomas De Gendt4883427274
    8Jasper Stuyven4593271320
    9Tiesj Benoot4203276132
    10Michael Schär416378362
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    I think I might call quits on this one :(

    In the end it is just a bit too time consuming a task to keep the spreadsheet up to date  :S

    And honestly, I would rather spend my time on here talking about stages, etc. at the moment.

    I hope ya'll can live with this.

    Also, an extra shout out to CJ2002, man these mountain stages are a pain... even more impressed about 2014 than I was before.
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