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Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
« Reply #120 on: December 06, 2019, 18:29 »
# Rider Type Picker Rider Name Points Total Left
#1 GC Rider ArchieBoy FROOME Chris 77 7423
#2 Young GC Rider Lukascph OOMEN Sam 179 7244
#3 Cobbles Rider Joelsim MOSCON Gianni 424 6820
#4 Young Cobbles Rider search DEWULF Stan 112 6708
#5 Sprinter search CORT NIELSEN Magnus 227 6481
#6 Young Sprinter just some guy HODEG CHAGUI Alvaro Jose 488 5993
#7 ITT specialist search DUMOULIN Tom 341 5652
#8 Wrapped in the Flag just some guy GARRISON Ian 89 5563
#9 The Climber search LYU Xianjing 218 5345
#10 The Random Eastern European Joelsim JERMAN Ziga 42 5303
#11 Who? Leadbelly PAASSCHENS Mathijs 104 5199
#12 Mr Breakaway Flo DILLIER Silvan 101 5098
#13 The Continental Dominator Leadbelly VAN SCHIP Jan-Willem 143 4955
#15 The Latin American Climber Flo MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe 526 4429
#16 Straight out of Juniors ArchieBoy GARRISON Michael 0 4429
#17 The CX-er just some guy VAN AERT Wout 898 3531
#18 The Trackie Lukascph JOHANSEN Julius 38 3493
#19 The Bottle Carrier Joelsim ELISSONDE Kenny 113 3380
#20 Just Some Old Guy ArchieBoy NAVARRO GARCIA Daniel 59 3321
#21 The African Joelsim ARERUYA Joseph 79 3242
#14* Mr Loyalty Armchair Cyclist KANTER Max 8 3234
#22 Surname beginning with A Armchair Cyclist ARU Fabio 194 3040
#23 The Injured One Carlo Algatrensig DE BIE Sean 5 3035
#24 The Pretty Boy Lukascph HAUSSLER Heinrich 144 2891
#25 The Scandi Leadbelly CHARMIG Anthon 0 2891
#26 The Close But No Cigar Carlo Algatrensig DUNBAR Eddie 488 2403
#27 Sleeping with the Enemy Leadbelly MADOUAS Valentin 540 1863
#28 The Fall from Grace rider WT -> Conti Armchair CyclistANTUNES Amaro Manuel Reposo 130 1733
#29 Had One Good Season A Few Years Ago..Another One Soon? Carlo Algatrensig VAKOC Petr145 1588
#30 The Next Big Thing™ Flo
#31 The Non-Traditional Cycling Nation One Lukascph
#32 The Zero Point Rider ArchieBoy
#33 The Rest of the Budget Rider Armchair Cyclist
Total Left 1588 (~529 per rider*)
*calculated for 3 riders as one will use zero points; 1460 pts at 487 per rider if Joelsim confirms Gebreigzabhier over Areruya.

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    Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
    « Reply #121 on: December 06, 2019, 18:33 »
    Rest of the Budget rider going to be alright me thinks
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    Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
    « Reply #122 on: December 06, 2019, 18:35 »
    I think we need to hold an investigation into this. First stop yours, JSG’s and search’s bank accounts to see whether young Heinrich has deposited a substantial sum of money there. The Velorooms Mafia (TM).  :lol
    If only Krebby were still with us... He'd get to the bottom of it I'm sure. Bingo mafia strikes again
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    Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
    « Reply #123 on: December 06, 2019, 18:38 »
    I can't believe Madouas is our sleeping with the enemy pick :o
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    Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
    « Reply #124 on: December 06, 2019, 18:42 »
    Well, I was going to go for Dainese, but we still have so many points left
    JSG had a good suggestion in Cosnefroy
    Madouas would have been a good choice as well!!
    But let's go for Ivan Garcia Cortina
    # Rider Type Picker Rider Name Points Total Left
    #1 GC Rider ArchieBoy FROOME Chris 77 7423
    #2 Young GC Rider Lukascph OOMEN Sam 179 7244
    #3 Cobbles Rider Joelsim MOSCON Gianni 424 6820
    #4 Young Cobbles Rider search DEWULF Stan 112 6708
    #5 Sprinter search CORT NIELSEN Magnus 227 6481
    #6 Young Sprinter just some guy HODEG CHAGUI Alvaro Jose 488 5993
    #7 ITT specialist search DUMOULIN Tom 341 5652
    #8 Wrapped in the Flag just some guy GARRISON Ian 89 5563
    #9 The Climber search LYU Xianjing 218 5345
    #10 The Random Eastern European Joelsim JERMAN Ziga 42 5303
    #11 Who? Leadbelly PAASSCHENS Mathijs 104 5199
    #12 Mr Breakaway Flo DILLIER Silvan 101 5098
    #13 The Continental Dominator Leadbelly VAN SCHIP Jan-Willem 143 4955
    #15 The Latin American Climber Flo MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe 526 4429
    #16 Straight out of Juniors ArchieBoy GARRISON Michael 0 4429
    #17 The CX-er just some guy VAN AERT Wout 898 3531
    #18 The Trackie Lukascph JOHANSEN Julius 38 3493
    #19 The Bottle Carrier Joelsim ELISSONDE Kenny 113 3380
    #20 Just Some Old Guy ArchieBoy NAVARRO GARCIA Daniel 59 3321
    #21 The African Joelsim ARERUYA Joseph 79 3242
    #14* Mr Loyalty Armchair Cyclist KANTER Max 8 3234
    #22 Surname beginning with A Armchair Cyclist ARU Fabio 194 3040
    #23 The Injured One Carlo Algatrensig DE BIE Sean 5 3035
    #24 The Pretty Boy Lukascph HAUSSLER Heinrich 144 2891
    #25 The Scandi Leadbelly CHARMIG Anthon 0 2891
    #26 The Close But No Cigar Carlo Algatrensig DUNBAR Eddie 488 2403
    #27 Sleeping with the Enemy Leadbelly MADOUAS Valentin 540 1863
    #28 The Fall from Grace rider WT -> Conti Armchair CyclistANTUNES Amaro Manuel Reposo 130 1733
    #29 Had One Good Season A Few Years Ago..Another One Soon? Carlo Algatrensig VAKOC Petr145 1588
    #30 The Next Big Thing™ FloGARCIA CORTINA Ivan 453 1135
    #31 The Non-Traditional Cycling Nation One Lukascph
    #32 The Zero Point Rider ArchieBoy
    #33 The Rest of the Budget Rider Armchair Cyclist
    Total Left 1153 (~576 per rider*)
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    Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
    « Reply #125 on: December 06, 2019, 19:04 »
    I’ll go for Gebreigzabhier please. Doesn’t make any sense at all to have Areruya.
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    Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
    « Reply #126 on: December 06, 2019, 19:58 »
    Already it's my turn again!
    And I just realised that because this is the penultimate pick with points, I can also decide how many points the rest-of-budget rider may have.  :D
    Within narrow constraints, though: I need to pick someone from a 'non-traditional cycling nation', a term that isn't very well-defined.
    Does it include Colombia? Definitely not. Eritrea? Nope. Probably not Norway, either - Dag Otto in the 1980s paved the way, and since then the country has hosted two road Worlds.
    Slovenia? Though the independent country is very young, it was the centre of cycling in Yugoslavia, and has produced many top pros in its 28 years of independence. So Matej Mohorič was out too.

    Interestingly, the four riders left on my shortlist are all from the Baltic countries ... and after some consideration, I went for NOMMELA Aksel who had a decent first pro season in 2019 and sees several of his sprinter teammates moving on, making it likely he will get an even bigger role at the team next year.

    # Rider Type Picker Rider Name Points Total Left
    #1 GC Rider ArchieBoy FROOME Chris 77 7423
    #2 Young GC Rider Lukascph OOMEN Sam 179 7244
    #3 Cobbles Rider Joelsim MOSCON Gianni 424 6820
    #4 Young Cobbles Rider search DEWULF Stan 112 6708
    #5 Sprinter search CORT NIELSEN Magnus 227 6481
    #6 Young Sprinter just some guy HODEG CHAGUI Alvaro Jose 488 5993
    #7 ITT specialist search DUMOULIN Tom 341 5652
    #8 Wrapped in the Flag just some guy GARRISON Ian 89 5563
    #9 The Climber search LYU Xianjing 218 5345
    #10 The Random Eastern European Joelsim JERMAN Ziga 42 5303
    #11 Who? Leadbelly PAASSCHENS Mathijs 104 5199
    #12 Mr Breakaway Flo DILLIER Silvan 101 5098
    #13 The Continental Dominator Leadbelly VAN SCHIP Jan-Willem 143 4955
    #15 The Latin American Climber Flo MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe 526 4429
    #16 Straight out of Juniors ArchieBoy GARRISON Michael 0 4429
    #17 The CX-er just some guy VAN AERT Wout 898 3531
    #18 The Trackie Lukascph JOHANSEN Julius 38 3493
    #19 The Bottle Carrier Joelsim ELISSONDE Kenny 113 3380
    #20 Just Some Old Guy ArchieBoy NAVARRO GARCIA Daniel 59 3321
    #21 The African Joelsim GEBREIGZABHIER Amanuel Werkilul 207 3114
    #14* Mr Loyalty Armchair Cyclist KANTER Max 8 3106
    #22 Surname beginning with A Armchair Cyclist ARU Fabio 194 2912
    #23 The Injured One Carlo Algatrensig DE BIE Sean 5 2907
    #24 The Pretty Boy Lukascph HAUSSLER Heinrich 144 2763
    #25 The Scandi Leadbelly CHARMIG Anthon 0 2763
    #26 The Close But No Cigar Carlo Algatrensig DUNBAR Eddie 488 2275
    #27 Sleeping with the Enemy Leadbelly MADOUAS Valentin 540 1735
    #28 The Fall from Grace rider WT -> Conti Armchair Cyclist ANTUNES Amaro Manuel Reposo 130 1605
    #29 Had One Good Season A Few Years Ago..Another One Soon? Carlo Algatrensig VAKOC Petr 145 1460
    #30 The Next Big Thing™ Flo GARCIA CORTINA Ivan 453 1007
    #31 The Non-Traditional Cycling Nation One Lukascph NOMMELA Aksel 208 799
    #32 The Zero Point Rider ArchieBoy
    #33 The Rest of the Budget Rider Armchair Cyclist
    Total Left 799 (799 per rider)

    This leaves a whopping 799 points for Armchair Cyclist to pick a shortlist for - but first, ArchieBoy will give us our third rider with zero points.
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    Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
    « Reply #127 on: December 06, 2019, 20:49 »
    Here we go, the new star at Trek - Segafredo,

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    Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
    « Reply #128 on: December 06, 2019, 21:14 »
    There are 15 riders who cost 90-100% of what we have left.  Of those, the only one who I even vaguely considered for my team was Roman Bardet.  Two others meet what I would normally use as an indicator that they might be a good pick in that they scored considerably better last year or the year before than in the season that is coming to an end: Geraint Thomas and Fernando Gaviria.  There are youngsters on their way up in that bracket, although I fear they may have reached the level at which they will plateau (or may have overachieved this year, hitting a peak rather early in their careers): I'll put Pavel Sivakov and Fabio Jakobsen forward.

    So the poll is between:
    THOMAS Geraint (4)
    SIVAKOV Pavel (8)
    JAKOBSEN Fabio (18)
    BARDET Romain (65)
    GAVIRIA RENDON Fernando (68)

    The bracket shows how many points we have left to play with if the panel of selectors want to change any of those already named.


    And the first vote is cast for: Bardet.
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    Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
    « Reply #129 on: December 06, 2019, 21:27 »
    Gaviria for me.
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    Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
    « Reply #130 on: December 06, 2019, 21:39 »
    Damn, we could almost afford Tibo. I guess I'll vote for Bardet, even though I don't expect much from him.
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    « Reply #131 on: December 07, 2019, 07:20 »
    I'd vote for Bardet as well
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    « Reply #132 on: December 07, 2019, 08:05 »
    Bardet
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    « Reply #133 on: December 07, 2019, 08:24 »
    Bardet for me too.
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    « Reply #134 on: December 07, 2019, 08:45 »
    Bardet!
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    Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
    « Reply #135 on: December 07, 2019, 08:53 »
    Looks like Joel looses again..

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    « Reply #136 on: December 07, 2019, 10:00 »
    Looks like Joel looses again..

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    « Reply #137 on: December 07, 2019, 10:18 »
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    Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
    « Reply #138 on: December 07, 2019, 10:26 »
    So that seems a fairly conclusive end to that stage.

    # Rider Type Picker Rider Name Points Total Left
    #1 GC Rider ArchieBoy FROOME Chris 77 7423
    #2 Young GC Rider Lukascph OOMEN Sam 179 7244
    #3 Cobbles Rider Joelsim MOSCON Gianni 424 6820
    #4 Young Cobbles Rider search DEWULF Stan 112 6708
    #5 Sprinter search CORT NIELSEN Magnus 227 6481
    #6 Young Sprinter just some guy HODEG CHAGUI Alvaro Jose 488 5993
    #7 ITT specialist search DUMOULIN Tom 341 5652
    #8 Wrapped in the Flag just some guy GARRISON Ian 89 5563
    #9 The Climber search LYU Xianjing 218 5345
    #10 The Random Eastern European Joelsim JERMAN Ziga 42 5303
    #11 Who? Leadbelly PAASSCHENS Mathijs 104 5199
    #12 Mr Breakaway Flo DILLIER Silvan 101 5098
    #13 The Continental Dominator Leadbelly VAN SCHIP Jan-Willem 143 4955
    #15 The Latin American Climber Flo MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe 526 4429
    #16 Straight out of Juniors ArchieBoy GARRISON Michael 0 4429
    #17 The CX-er just some guy VAN AERT Wout 898 3531
    #18 The Trackie Lukascph JOHANSEN Julius 38 3493
    #19 The Bottle Carrier Joelsim ELISSONDE Kenny 113 3380
    #20 Just Some Old Guy ArchieBoy NAVARRO GARCIA Daniel 59 3321
    #21 The African Joelsim GEBREIGZABHIER Amanuel Werkilul 207 3114
    #14* Mr Loyalty Armchair Cyclist KANTER Max 8 3106
    #22 Surname beginning with A Armchair Cyclist ARU Fabio 194 2912
    #23 The Injured One Carlo Algatrensig DE BIE Sean 5 2907
    #24 The Pretty Boy Lukascph HAUSSLER Heinrich 144 2763
    #25 The Scandi Leadbelly CHARMIG Anthon 0 2763
    #26 The Close But No Cigar Carlo Algatrensig DUNBAR Eddie 488 2275
    #27 Sleeping with the Enemy Leadbelly MADOUAS Valentin 540 1735
    #28 The Fall from Grace rider WT -> Conti Armchair Cyclist ANTUNES Amaro Manuel Reposo 130 1605
    #29 Had One Good Season A Few Years Ago..Another One Soon? Carlo Algatrensig VAKOC Petr 145 1460
    #30 The Next Big Thing™ Flo GARCIA CORTINA Ivan 453 1007
    #31 The Non-Traditional Cycling Nation One Lukascph NOMMELA Aksel 208 799
    #32 The Zero Point Rider ArchieBoySIMMONS Quinn 0 799
    #33 The Rest of the Budget Rider Armchair CyclistBARDET Romain 734 65
    Total Left 65

    So what's next? Second thoughts within our own sections? Trying to persuade a section picker to change their mind?  Vetoes? Or are we ready to submit the team, and merely dream about what we should have done with 65 extra points?
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    Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
    « Reply #139 on: December 07, 2019, 18:03 »
    I think all picks are pretty much within the boundaries of their categories (apart from Haussler), so I can't see too much grounds for a successful veto.

    Nothing wrong though if someone wants to use the leftovers to amend one of their own selections, or even juggle a couple of riders if they've changed their minds or a recent transfer takes their fancy.
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    Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
    « Reply #140 on: December 07, 2019, 22:17 »
    I think all picks are pretty much within the boundaries of their categories (apart from Haussler)
    Surely if someone's nickname is "Barbie", they are the very definition of a Pretty Boy? :S

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    Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
    « Reply #141 on: December 19, 2019, 15:12 »
    The 2020 game has been announced over at CN forum (I hope Skidmark hasn't forgotten us here): Is this team ready to be submitted?
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    Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
    « Reply #142 on: December 19, 2019, 16:58 »
    The 2020 game has been announced over at CN forum (I hope Skidmark hasn't forgotten us here): Is this team ready to be submitted?

    I would imagine so. Anyone who has any complaints, shout now.
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    « Reply #143 on: December 19, 2019, 20:34 »
    I might have a change actually. Someone got shuffled out of my own team, so I may just shuffle him in here. Will confirm it either tomorrow morning or evening.
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    Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
    « Reply #144 on: December 20, 2019, 05:39 »
    Scandi

    Charmig (0 points) ------------> Hulgaard (49 points)

    We lose our cursed rider, but probably gain a better chance of increasing our score. The Uno-X calendar should suit him and a good TT is always beneficial.

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    #2 Young GC Rider Lukascph OOMEN Sam 179 7244
    #3 Cobbles Rider Joelsim MOSCON Gianni 424 6820
    #4 Young Cobbles Rider search DEWULF Stan 112 6708
    #5 Sprinter search CORT NIELSEN Magnus 227 6481
    #6 Young Sprinter just some guy HODEG CHAGUI Alvaro Jose 488 5993
    #7 ITT specialist search DUMOULIN Tom 341 5652
    #8 Wrapped in the Flag just some guy GARRISON Ian 89 5563
    #9 The Climber search LYU Xianjing 218 5345
    #10 The Random Eastern European Joelsim JERMAN Ziga 42 5303
    #11 Who? Leadbelly PAASSCHENS Mathijs 104 5199
    #12 Mr Breakaway Flo DILLIER Silvan 101 5098
    #13 The Continental Dominator Leadbelly VAN SCHIP Jan-Willem 143 4955
    #15 The Latin American Climber Flo MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe 526 4429
    #16 Straight out of Juniors ArchieBoy GARRISON Michael 0 4429
    #17 The CX-er just some guy VAN AERT Wout 898 3531
    #18 The Trackie Lukascph JOHANSEN Julius 38 3493
    #19 The Bottle Carrier Joelsim ELISSONDE Kenny 113 3380
    #20 Just Some Old Guy ArchieBoy NAVARRO GARCIA Daniel 59 3321
    #21 The African Joelsim GEBREIGZABHIER Amanuel Werkilul 207 3114
    #14* Mr Loyalty Armchair Cyclist KANTER Max 8 3106
    #22 Surname beginning with A Armchair Cyclist ARU Fabio 194 2912
    #23 The Injured One Carlo Algatrensig DE BIE Sean 5 2907
    #24 The Pretty Boy Lukascph HAUSSLER Heinrich 144 2763
    #25 The Close But No Cigar Carlo Algatrensig DUNBAR Eddie 488 2275
    #26 Sleeping with the Enemy Leadbelly MADOUAS Valentin 540 1735
    #27 The Fall from Grace rider WT -> Conti Armchair Cyclist ANTUNES Amaro Manuel Reposo 130 1605
    #28 Had One Good Season A Few Years Ago..Another One Soon? Carlo Algatrensig VAKOC Petr 145 1460
    #29 The Next Big Thing™ Flo GARCIA CORTINA Ivan 453 1007
    #30 The Non-Traditional Cycling Nation One Lukascph NOMMELA Aksel 208 799
    #31 The Zero Point Rider ArchieBoySIMMONS Quinn 0 799
    #32 The Rest of the Budget Rider Armchair CyclistBARDET Romain 734 65
    #33 The Scandi Leadbelly HULGAARD Morten 49 16
    Total Left 16

    Still 16 points left if anyone else wants to change one of their own picks.
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    Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
    « Reply #145 on: December 21, 2019, 15:17 »
    The 2020 game has been announced over at CN forum (I hope Skidmark hasn't forgotten us here): Is this team ready to be submitted?

    I didn't forget you guys! I just forgot that sometimes this forum doesn't accept long posts, so I posted it at the same time as CN and when I hit 'submit' it booted me back to the main forum page and I forgot that meant it hadn't posted, but then when I checked back the next day I realized it hadn't so I posted it in a few pieces and then merged it. Anyway, should be all good to go - pardon if I haven't replied to those who've submitted so far, I'm catching up on Sunday, just a little hectic time of year.
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    Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
    « Reply #146 on: December 27, 2019, 19:33 »
    Last call at the VR Collective bar for any changes to the team. Otherwise I'll send in the team tomorrow evening to skids.
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    Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
    « Reply #147 on: December 28, 2019, 19:20 »
    ......and we are entered! For better or for worse. :P

    Thankfully the total did come to 7484.

    Should be fairly low in the popularity stakes. We have under 10 riders who I think will have a very high rate of selection and there are some obvious gimmes we are missing.

    Personally I was 2/33 in comparison with my own team.
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    Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
    « Reply #148 on: January 22, 2020, 08:26 »
    "Young cobbles rider" Stan Dewulf will miss all cobbled classics due to a knee surgery :(

    https://www.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/dmf20200121_04815233
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    Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
    « Reply #149 on: January 22, 2020, 13:44 »
    "Young cobbles rider" Stan Dewulf will miss all cobbled classics due to a knee surgery :(

    https://www.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/dmf20200121_04815233

    VR kiss of death
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