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Re: [2.1] Tour Colombia 2.1
« Reply #30 on: February 10, 2020, 22:30 »
https://colombia.as.com/colombia/2020/02/10/masdeporte/1581357217_886509.html?id_externo_rsoc=CM_CO_TW

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ESPN will broadcast for free all of the stages through its web platform, ESPN Play..... which promises to leave behind the inconveniences of last year

Didn't we get a loop on the coverage of the final climb last year? I'm sure we did otherwise "The World's Best Fans™" knocked over Quintana multiple times instead of once.

The year before, the final stage was a bit shambolic as well. Nobody knew who was where on the road. Was the footage we were watching the break or the attackers out of the peloton? Was there anybody left inbetween the groups? We certainly didn't know until they went past the finishing line camera.
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    Re: [2.1] Tour Colombia 2.1
    « Reply #31 on: February 11, 2020, 00:19 »
    https://tourcolombiauci.com/equipos-tourcolombia-uci-2020/

    Competing teams:

    Twenty-seven teams?!

    Twenty-seven teams?!

    27 teams?!



    Is that the limit, or are there any races with more than that?  :S

    Seems like a lot to keep track of. Although, shockingly, there seems to be a fairly decent variety of team-graphics and colors.
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    Re: [2.1] Tour Colombia 2.1
    « Reply #32 on: February 11, 2020, 08:03 »
     Yes the coverage was extremely loopy last year, but it looks as if we will be OK this year. I had those links working fine on tv last night, so the app can be backup.
     Here's an alternative profile for stage 1. The "climb" looks to be around two km at about 3-4%.


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    Re: [2.1] Tour Colombia 2.1
    « Reply #33 on: February 11, 2020, 08:54 »
    Twenty-seven teams?!

    Twenty-seven teams?!

    27 teams?!

    Is that the limit, or are there any races with more than that?  :S

    Seems like a lot to keep track of. Although, shockingly, there seems to be a fairly decent variety of team-graphics and colors.
    A team list for Antalya was put up yesterday with 29 teams on it (29x6=174, below the 175 limit for riders in a non-GT race.)

    If they had 5 man teams, would they be allowed 35 teams?
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    Re: [2.1] Tour Colombia 2.1
    « Reply #34 on: February 11, 2020, 10:17 »
    It's on Tiz too.
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    Re: [2.1] Tour Colombia 2.1
    « Reply #35 on: February 11, 2020, 19:00 »
    https://twitter.com/cycling_360/status/1227304097524703232

    Well we got the 1-2 we thought we'd get, but not without some drama. The altitude, strong wind and strong team mates put the hurt on several teams and individual riders.

    EF have a nice gap over the rest of the field, but if the winds continue like those today, then that could all disappear in one echelon.

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    Re: [2.1] Tour Colombia 2.1
    « Reply #36 on: February 12, 2020, 06:30 »
    Twenty-seven teams?!

    Is that the limit, or are there any races with more than that?  :S
    A team list for Antalya was put up yesterday with 29 teams on it (29x6=174, below the 175 limit for riders in a non-GT race.)

    If they had 5 man teams, would they be allowed 35 teams?
    Indeed.
    There is a limit on the number of riders in a race, but no limit on the number of teams for races below the WT or ProSeries categories: WT races have to have 7 riders per team (Grand Tours 8 per team), limiting the number of teams at 25 teams for WT races resp. 22 for Grand Tours. ProSeries races even have a minimum number of teams that'll gradually increase over the next years; they have 6 or 7 riders per team, setting the limit at 29 and 25 teams, respectively.

    However, a .1 or .2 can set the number of riders per team at 5 (= up to 35 teams) or even 4, meaning up to 44 participating teams! :S

    With that in mind, 27 is almost average. :angel
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    Re: [2.1] Tour Colombia 2.1
    « Reply #37 on: February 12, 2020, 09:52 »
    Indeed.
    There is a limit on the number of riders in a race, but no limit on the number of teams for races below the WT or ProSeries categories: WT races have to have 7 riders per team (Grand Tours 8 per team), limiting the number of teams at 25 teams for WT races resp. 22 for Grand Tours. ProSeries races even have a minimum number of teams that'll gradually increase over the next years; they have 6 or 7 riders per team, setting the limit at 29 and 25 teams, respectively.

    However, a .1 or .2 can set the number of riders per team at 5 (= up to 35 teams) or even 4, meaning up to 44 participating teams! :S

    With that in mind, 27 is almost average. :angel

    You appear to have missed out junior races and the Sunday Club Run in this synopsis Lukas, was that intentional or just an oversight?
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    Re: [2.1] Tour Colombia 2.1
    « Reply #38 on: February 12, 2020, 10:32 »
    You appear to have missed out junior races and the Sunday Club Run in this synopsis Lukas, was that intentional or just an oversight?
    Even I can't think of everything, so I limited myself to UCI races on the elite (and U23) level.
    In other words: It was an intentional oversight. :P
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    Re: [2.1] Tour Colombia 2.1
    « Reply #39 on: February 12, 2020, 11:16 »
    meaning up to 44 participating teams! :S

    That would make for quite an "interesting" feed zone.  :o
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    Re: [2.1] Tour Colombia 2.1
    « Reply #40 on: February 12, 2020, 11:18 »
    That would make for quite an "interesting" feed zone.  :o
    Especially if Fuglsang was involved, the amount he eats!
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    Re: [2.1] Tour Colombia 2.1
    « Reply #41 on: February 12, 2020, 11:37 »
    That would make for quite an "interesting" feed zone.  :o

    FYI the time the race is live is the same as EST. So, midday is midday.
    There is also a perfect host feed that doesn't require a VPN or anything. ;)

    Be on time in future or you may get a row off Joel. :lol
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    Re: [2.1] Tour Colombia 2.1
    « Reply #42 on: February 12, 2020, 15:58 »
    43, I believe, as the rider max is 175 for anything other than GTs.

    But still a recipe for mayhem.
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    Re: [2.1] Tour Colombia 2.1
    « Reply #43 on: February 12, 2020, 16:49 »
    FYI the time the race is live is the same as EST. So, midday is midday.
    There is also a perfect host feed that doesn't require a VPN or anything. ;)

    Be on time in future or you may get a row off Joel. :lol

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    Re: [2.1] Tour Colombia 2.1
    « Reply #44 on: February 12, 2020, 18:19 »
    43, I believe, as the rider max is 175 for anything other than GTs.
    The max. number is 175 in practice as most races will have 7 riders per team, and 25x7=175.

    But in the rules, it is (mostly)176. Quoting UCI rule 2.2.002:
    The number of riders starting a road race shall be limited according to the following table:
    Category Maximum
    Olympic Games 200
    UCI World Championships 200
    Continental Championships 200
    Continental Games 200
    Regional Games 200
    National Championships 200
    UCI WorldTour 176
    UCI Europe Tour, UCI America Tour, UCI Asia Tour, UCI Oceania Tour and UCI Africa Tour 176
    UCI Nations’ Cups 176
    Men Junior 176
    One-day races of the UCI Women’s WorldTour and UCI ProSeries 144
    Stage races of the UCI Women’s WorldTour and UCI ProSeries 168
    Women Class 1 176
    Women Class 2 176
    UCI Nations’ Cup 176
    Women Junior 176
    National Calendars 176

    2.2.003 says that there can be between 4 and 7 riders per team, the exception being GTs having 8.
    WT races have 7, men's ProSeries races can choose 6 or 7, WWT & women's ProSeries one-day races have 6, WWT & women's ProSeries stage races can choose 6 or 7.

    Expanding the table above (without the various championship events as they are special cases, we have the following number of maximum teams per race:
    Category Maximum riders 8 riders per team 7 riders per team 6 riders per team 5 riders per team 4 riders per team
    Grand Tour 176 22
    UCI WorldTour 176 25
    Men's ProSeries 176 25 29
    UCI Europe Tour, UCI America Tour, UCI Asia Tour, UCI Oceania Tour and UCI Africa Tour 176 25 29 35 44
    UCI Nations’ Cups 176 25 29 35 44
    Men Junior 176 25 29 35 44
    One-day races of the UCI Women’s WorldTour and UCI ProSeries 144 24
    Stage races of the UCI Women’s WorldTour and UCI ProSeries 168 24
    Women Class 1 176 25 29 35 44
    Women Class 2 176 25 29 35 44
    UCI Nations’ Cup 176 25 29 35 44
    Women Junior 176 25 29 35 44
    National Calendars 176 25 29 35 44

    Remember that this is in theory only. In practice, even the races with the largest number of teams I can think of, the Giro della Regione Friuli and the Baby Giro, limit themselves to 29-33 teams à 5 riders.
    Races with only four riders allowed per team are very rare, if not virtually unheard of.
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    Re: [2.1] Tour Colombia 2.1
    « Reply #45 on: February 12, 2020, 19:19 »
    https://twitter.com/wcsbike/status/1227658342702682112

    Hodeg still looking for that first win of the season. Not enough speed at the moment, plain and simple. Molano had him for breakfast. Deceuninck to try plan B tomorrow?

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    Re: [2.1] Tour Colombia 2.1
    « Reply #46 on: February 12, 2020, 20:49 »


    They also lost a DS and car for the rest of the race.
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    Re: [2.1] Tour Colombia 2.1
    « Reply #47 on: February 13, 2020, 20:43 »
    https://twitter.com/TeamUAEAbuDhabi/status/1228037274790703106



    A familiar looking profile for tomorrow. ;)

    Can anybody beat Alaphilippe?
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    Re: [2.1] Tour Colombia 2.1
    « Reply #48 on: February 13, 2020, 22:43 »
    https://twitter.com/TeamUAEAbuDhabi/status/1228037274790703106



    A familiar looking profile for tomorrow. ;)

    Can anybody beat Alaphilippe?

    He lost 1’14” today, so I suspect they can. Although he may win the stage.
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    Re: [2.1] Tour Colombia 2.1
    « Reply #49 on: February 14, 2020, 07:52 »
    The stage was what I was talking about. :P

    Deceuninck talked beforehand about their target for the race being a stage win. It looks very unlikely that Hodeg will provide that. Plan B might be an option for stage 5, but today is now their main opportunity. It's not a gimme of course for him. Molano or Avila might be able to hang on over the not so steep climb or if the group does get thinned out a late attack on the flat section could steal it.
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    Re: [2.1] Tour Colombia 2.1
    « Reply #50 on: February 14, 2020, 11:39 »
    well, with his focus on Marion, no wonder Alaphilippe is not in shape at all.

    I'd never have picked Tim Merlier for CQ if I had known that he was engaged with Cameron Vdb now, by the way... :fp
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    Re: [2.1] Tour Colombia 2.1
    « Reply #51 on: February 14, 2020, 20:50 »
    https://twitter.com/wcsbike/status/1228396279774031872

    Alaphilippe and Traeen the only Europeans to break the South American hegemony in that first group.

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    Re: [2.1] Tour Colombia 2.1
    « Reply #52 on: February 15, 2020, 19:28 »
    https://twitter.com/1anoticiass/status/1228760559786635265

    Well Deceuninck did try something to shake up the finale. In the last couple of km they went into a slow corner as the leading train. Exiting the corner the front two went off while the others spread out to semi-block the rest of the peloton. It looked to have worked, but maybe Jungels waited too long to make his move or more likely the altitude made it much tougher for him to make the required effort. Richeze (?) brought the peloton back to dash his former team mate's hopes.

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    Re: [2.1] Tour Colombia 2.1
    « Reply #53 on: February 16, 2020, 09:39 »
    Well Deceuninck did try something to shake up the finale.

    Wow, that's some serious race IQ from Molano. I'd love to see some on-bike camera footage of that sprint. Some great positioning in a frantic finish, with a perfectly timed kick.

    Plus, two Americans in the Top 5?  :o

    It's good to see Travis in the thick of things.  :)
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    Re: [2.1] Tour Colombia 2.1
    « Reply #54 on: February 16, 2020, 12:48 »
    He's showing impressive speed, but positioning wise I don't think he's having to do much.

    Apart from the first stage when two I-SUN riders nearly tangled with each, it's all been very polite. No real argy-bargy to get on someone's wheel or two trains fighting to lead things out. UAE seem happy to have let Deceuninck be on the front, Richeze/Molano slot in behind and then I-SUN are nibbling at their heels. The locals and other smaller, foreign teams aren't really part of the positioning equation.
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    Re: [2.1] Tour Colombia 2.1
    « Reply #55 on: February 16, 2020, 20:08 »
    Not much, but breakaway attempts, as I see it! This is not the best #unox team. Then again, the team develops riders and Idar Andersen is perhaps the most interesting subject to speak of in that context. However, as he needs to take the rest of the team with him on stage 1, I think the race doesn't suit him. If it had been an individual time trial he might be in top 10,  if acclimatizing well.

    It is largely unknown how these riders will respond to a season starter at altitude, though.

    :fp  :S :angry

    I was sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo wrong this time!  :angry

    Nothing to say but this:

    https://twitter.com/thomas_sperre/status/1229129794916409344
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    Re: [2.1] Tour Colombia 2.1
    « Reply #56 on: February 16, 2020, 20:16 »
    Results from the final stage:



    GC Results (not yet updated at firstcycling at time of posting, it should fix itself when their elves get some data):


    I think the final results should show #unox Torstein Træen in 9th overall. That is best foreigner, and quite a good result from a team of 100% neo-pros! There are a few notable celebrities further down the list.
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    Re: [2.1] Tour Colombia 2.1
    « Reply #57 on: February 16, 2020, 20:26 »


    What this all about then? A second nationality? A nickname? His favourite type of food?
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    Re: [2.1] Tour Colombia 2.1
    « Reply #58 on: February 16, 2020, 20:40 »


    What this all about then? A second nationality? A nickname? His favourite type of food?

    Let me guess - fun? (I don't know much about this guy, he hasn't been very visible in the peloton before now.)
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    Re: [2.1] Tour Colombia 2.1
    « Reply #59 on: February 16, 2020, 21:05 »


    What this all about then? A second nationality? A nickname? His favourite type of food?

    Maybe he’s been listening to Lukas, and moved to one of the Norways in South America.
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