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« Reply #30 on: March 10, 2020, 17:05 »
Stage 3 and it turned out to be the classical snooze button headwind stage. The breakaway, empty road ahead and perhaps lonely and defriended #wanty Tom deVriendt trying to knock a dent into the biting wind.

The finale was mostly a stack of riders falling and when they got up again, another few tumbled. Does anybody have the counts for the damage done? I saw #quickstep #champie Sam Bennett apparently with a broken wrist after the final 100m fall (and that was possibly bad karma getting back at him after he shouldered Quintana quite brutally inwards, into the peloton earlier - putting not ony Quintana but the riders on his side in danger as well. Bennett could possibly face a DSQ for that anyway. If you need to push someone off the road, at least shove them off the road.

I am quite impressed by a couple of younger riders that keeps defying the specialized role descriptions in the pro peloton. Yesterday the monster got honorable mention, today it's beyond doubt #bahrain Ivan Garcia Cortina's day. One day he is towing the peloton 150 km like he's the next #quickstep TDQ, today he beats #bora Peter Sagan in the sprint. Cycling helmet, cycling cap and wool liner off, that's quite versatile!



The race is surprisingly good given the number of missing teams. This year's planned Paris-Nice line-up would have made it a 'best of' edition, I think. I think #ineos vs #ef would have made a very good GC battle here.


 
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    « Reply #31 on: March 10, 2020, 17:55 »
    The race is surprisingly good given the number of missing teams. This year's planned Paris-Nice line-up would have made it a 'best of' edition, I think. I think #ineos vs #ef would have made a very good GC battle here.

    the initially planned line-up wouldn't have included guys like Schachmann or Pinot though, nor some of the classics riders putting the hammer down in the wind. So it's really hard to say.

    Tomorrow's time trial isn't an easy one again, by the way, although probably not as hard (or technical) as in the past two years:



    Fortunately for the riders, there's almost no rain forecast for tomorrow - but changing wind conditions could be a factor maybe.

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    Re: Paris-Nice 2020
    « Reply #33 on: March 10, 2020, 20:02 »
      Bennett karma today?

    yep, that was the incident I was referring to. Notice how the rider behind Viviani is the one who gets the most trouble for this. Very close to creating a big pile-up of frames, disc brakes, wheels and cyclists. :angry
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    Re: Paris-Nice 2020
    « Reply #35 on: March 11, 2020, 11:24 »
    if the rumours some riders heard are true, Paris-Nice will finish on Friday, either before or after the stage. Apparently the mayor of Nice (where Saturday's and Sunday's stages would head off/finish) doesn't want to have them around at all

    https://sport.tv2.dk/cykling/2020-03-11-ryttere-forventer-tidligere-afslutning-paa-paris-nice
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    Re: Paris-Nice 2020
    « Reply #36 on: March 11, 2020, 19:11 »
    ITT result including split times:

    RANK NAME INT INT -> FIN FIN
    1      KRAGH Soren      10:11 (04.)      <- 08:41 (01.) ->      18:52
    2      SCHACHMANN Max      10:03 (01.)      <- 08:54 (07.) ->      18:57
    3      ASGREEN Kasper      10:13 (07.)      <- 08:50 (03.) ->      19:04
    4      DE GENDT Thomas      10:11 (05.)      <- 08:53 (05.) ->      19:05
    5      BILBAO Peio      10:08 (02.)      <- 08:58 (09.) ->      19:06
    6      CAMPENAERTS Victor      10:21 (16.)      <- 08:48 (02.) ->      19:09
    7      MATTHEWS Michael      10:17 (12.)      <- 08:53 (04.) ->      19:10
    8      KUNG Stefan      10:24 (21.)      <- 08:54 (06.) ->      19:18
    9      LUDVIGSSON Tobias      10:23 (19.)      <- 08:56 (08.) ->      19:19
    10      CRADDOCK Lawson      10:21 (15.)      <- 09:00 (11.) ->      19:20
    11      KANGERT Tanel      10:17 (11.)      <- 09:07 (18.) ->      19:24
    12      JUNGELS Bob      10:22 (17.)      <- 09:03 (13.) ->      19:25
    13      TRATNIK Jan      10:17 (10.)      <- 09:08 (20.) ->      19:25
    14      PORTE Richie      10:15 (09.)      <- 09:10 (25.) ->      19:25
    15      BENOOT Thiesj      10:19 (13.)      <- 09:08 (19.) ->      19:27
    16      TEUNS Dylan      10:10 (03.)      <- 09:17 (45.) ->      19:27
    17      ALAPHILIPPE Julian      10:14 (08.)      <- 09:14 (33.) ->      19:28
    17      GROSSSCHARTNER Felix      10:13 (06.)      <- 09:15 (34.) ->      19:28
    19      CARUSO Damiano      10:23 (20.)      <- 09:09 (22.) ->      19:32
    20      LATOUR Pierre      10:20 (14.)      <- 09:11 (30.) ->      19:32
    21      VAN GARDEREN Tejay      10:35 (37.)      <- 08:58 (10.) ->      19:33
    22      POLITT Nils      10:24 (22.)      <- 09:11 (28.) ->      19:35
    23      GOUGEARD Alexis      10:26 (25.)      <- 09:10 (26.) ->      19:37
    24      HIGUITA Sergio      10:28 (27.)      <- 09:09 (23.) ->      19:37
    25      EEKHOFF Nils      10:35 (39.)      <- 09:04 (15.) ->      19:39
    26      PINOT Thibault      10:26 (24.)      <- 09:16 (36.) ->      19:41
    27      MOLARD Rudy      10:25 (23.)      <- 09:16 (38.) ->      19:42
    28      QUINTANA Nairo      10:22 (18.)      <- 09:20 (52.) ->      19:42
    29      WÜRTZ Mads      10:34 (34.)      <- 09:10 (24.) ->      19:43
    30      NIBALI Vincenzo      10:31 (29.)      <- 09:14 (32.) ->      19:45
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    Re: Paris-Nice 2020
    « Reply #37 on: March 11, 2020, 19:19 »
    if the rumours some riders heard are true, Paris-Nice will finish on Friday, either before or after the stage. Apparently the mayor of Nice (where Saturday's and Sunday's stages would head off/finish) doesn't want to have them around at all

    https://sport.tv2.dk/cykling/2020-03-11-ryttere-forventer-tidligere-afslutning-paa-paris-nice

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    Re: Paris-Nice 2020
    « Reply #38 on: March 11, 2020, 19:44 »
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    I can simply say that at this instant, on Wednesday afternoon, we have received assurances that Paris-Nice will 100 percent arrive in Nice.

    .....and they arrive in Nice after the end of stage 6. :shh
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    Re: Paris-Nice 2020
    « Reply #39 on: March 11, 2020, 19:47 »
    https://www.dhnet.be/sports/cyclisme/paris-nice-la-derniere-course-de-l-annee-pour-thomas-de-gendt-5e68d13b9978e201d8b554c0

    Thomas De Gendt said that at the start of the race, they were joking about the possibility that this could be this year's last race. Now, he seriously believes it might be. After today's ITT they are heading towards Southern France where the weather is much better and people are less hesitating to come and visit the race. So it's possible that the organisers are deciding to stop the race, says De Gendt.


    My question would be. Would there be a winner in that case? In 1939, Brik Schotte won the Tour de l'Ouest which had been halted mid-race because of the events you can easily guess. That's the only case I know of a stage race that had been stopped earlier than planned with a rider being declared winner.
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    Re: Paris-Nice 2020
    « Reply #40 on: March 11, 2020, 20:33 »
    My question would be. Would there be a winner in that case? In 1939, Brik Schotte won the Tour de l'Ouest which had been halted mid-race because of the events you can easily guess. That's the only case I know of a stage race that had been stopped earlier than planned with a rider being declared winner.
    Adam Yates was declared winner of the UAE Tour when that stopped mid-race two weeks ago. ;)

    If Paris-Nice is abandoned before the end, whoever is in #yellow at that point will almost certainly be declared the winner.
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    Re: Paris-Nice 2020
    « Reply #41 on: March 11, 2020, 20:55 »
    If Paris-Nice is abandoned before the end, whoever is in #yellow at that point will almost certainly be declared the winner.

    Most likely, yeah. "In case of an exceptional [...] incident [...] the president of the commissaires’ panel, after consulting the organiser, may [...] cancel or let the results stand in case the race is [...] stopped", though, so according to UCI rules, they could also end the race without a winner.

    Looking at the current development of the numbers in France (and compare it with Italy), the country will probably be locked down by ~Sunday anyway, I guess. So neither the mayor of Nice nor Prudhomme looks too likely to have a say in the decision to continue the race or not.
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    Re: Paris-Nice 2020
    « Reply #42 on: March 12, 2020, 07:00 »
    yeah.  Schachman in a pretty good position to add Paris Nice to his palmares.

    In a season that ends in March  :o
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    Re: Paris-Nice 2020
    « Reply #43 on: March 12, 2020, 19:58 »
    Wow tells you how deep I've been in touch with cycling in the past few weeks. I also had that info that that petroleum tour had been cut short, shortly after posting the above comments while reading an article about those teams confined in their hotel over there. Sorry for ignorance.  :D
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    Re: Paris-Nice 2020
    « Reply #44 on: March 13, 2020, 07:15 »
    heartbreaking stuff yesterday, with #bahrain Jan Tratnik getting caught at 100m to go, after 220k in the breakaway. Super strong performace from him, first dropping all his companions, and then keeping a small gap for so long - but it was also a great sprint from #total Bonifazio in the end.



    Today's stage looks like a fun one, and so far it looks like, it'll really take place.



    Here is a closer look at the finish (profile via @raffilpt):



    So first we habe 5k at >5% and then a nice little 1.4k kicker at >8% with 2k to go. The winning move looks likely to come on that part, I guess - but it could also be a day for the breakaway. Hard to see anyone controlling this all day
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    Re: Paris-Nice 2020
    « Reply #45 on: March 13, 2020, 09:26 »
    Apparently Sunday's stage will definitely be cancelled, but ASO wants to push through till Saturday evening.

    There was a voting among the teams, 11 wanted to continue and 5 to cancel the race - among them #bahrain Bahrain, who will not start today, no matter what, if the reports are true.
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    Re: Paris-Nice 2020
    « Reply #46 on: March 13, 2020, 10:22 »
    heartbreaking stuff yesterday, with #bahrain Jan Tratnik getting caught at 100m to go, after 220k in the breakaway. Super strong performace from him, first dropping all his companions, and then keeping a small gap for so long.....

    Tratnik has always been a bit underrated rider! He deserved a big win now  :angry

    A Norwegian cyclist as a guest commentary with Europsport on a dead boring Giro sprint stage turned the whole thing into a «being in the breakaway with Jan Tratnik» show a few years back, and since then I have been in the fan club!
    Apparently, at the time, he was one of the heavier riders around but the Norwegian really struggled to hang on, even on the climbs and after a while Tratnik just did all the work and eventually dropped everyone from the breakaway.  I can´t remember exactly which Norwegian it was but most likely Vegard Breen or Carl Fredrik Hagen.

    In the Bergen worlds I was sitting in the switchback turns section a few hundred meters up towards Fløyen from the «bike change station» next to a few girls from the Slovenian team and a group of other ...very very pro-Tratnik Slovenians. They were so pro-Tratnik they all went home, just before Roglic was on his way up (I wondered if there was some sort of rift between those two after that, as it was a bit demonstrative «we will leave now before Roglic comes» over it).
     
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    Re: Paris-Nice 2020
    « Reply #47 on: March 13, 2020, 10:40 »
    Turns out that that Michael Woods #ef crash was serious.

    He sustained a broken femur and was operated on at a hospital in Lyon.  :(
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    Re: Paris-Nice 2020
    « Reply #48 on: March 13, 2020, 10:59 »
    Apparently Sunday's stage will definitely be cancelled, but ASO wants to push through till Saturday evening.

    There was a voting among the teams, 11 wanted to continue and 5 to cancel the race - among them #bahrain Bahrain, who will not start today, no matter what, if the reports are true.

     Not sure if this isn't partly in response to the Belgian races being cancelled, as finishing with Saturday's stage appears logical.
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    Re: Paris-Nice 2020
    « Reply #49 on: March 13, 2020, 11:42 »
    Turns out that that Michael Woods #ef crash was serious.

    He sustained a broken femur and was operated on at a hospital in Lyon.  :(

    Not the best moment to be taken to hospital :(
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    Re: Paris-Nice 2020
    « Reply #50 on: March 13, 2020, 22:28 »
    Stage 6 of the Paris-Nice this year could easily end up as the stage of the year. Despite team withdrawals, corona virus and all that:
    #sunweb Sunweb today deserved a triple thumbs off  :cool :cool :cool for excellent plans, perfect execution and finally, running off with another stage win, a very well deserved one too!


    #sunweb Nikias Arndt launched up to the breakaway
    #sunweb Søren Kragh Andersen fiercely attacked at approx 30 km and linked up with Arndt
    #sunweb Søren Kragh Andersen eventually made the front group with #ag2r Bardet and #cofidis Edet
    #sunweb Søren Kragh Andersen dropped Edet and then later, on the climb  :S dropped #ag2r Bardet (!)
    At this point it was evidens that SKA would at some point get caught but then
    #sunweb Fantas-Tiesj attacked from the main group, got some more help and caught up with Søren Kragh Andersen and rested on his wheel for about one minutes then just went on straight ahead to take the victory
    Despite #bora chasing, despite #quickstep chasing: today was the day for the little brothers to challenge and win
     - and take second place as well
    #sunweb Sunweb should consieder just not starting tomorrow; the equivalent of dropping the microphone. Their team performance in the Paris Nice is already a victory, they don´t need to crown it with a top 10 GC. Just say 2 stages, that was objectives, accomplished, thank you!

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    Re: Paris-Nice 2020
    « Reply #51 on: March 14, 2020, 08:05 »
    seems like we will get another stage. Quintana looks like the hot favorite, but this could also explode right from the start, especially if teams send their 2nd man (#ef Kangert, #sunweb Matthews, #groupama Molard, for example) up the road - I guess we shouldn't expect normal WT racing from a peloton of 90.
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    « Reply #52 on: March 14, 2020, 09:47 »
    I guess with the big lead that Schachmann has, the only thing that can break him is, if he completely chokes on this climb. The only way that can be accomplished is sustained high tempo on the climb. Not just quick accelration and bursts of speed, but dragging him into his red zone for minutes and keeping him there. Was that Yates, last year? or Alaphilippe, the year before that?
    Things happen on these penultimate stages. It is early in the season and the number of racing days affect riders performance as some have better restitution than others. Despite all the non-starters and withdrawals the field is actually packed with the kind of cyclists that fit the description: high-endurance climbers with excellent restitution:
    #ag2r Romain Bardet
    #groupama Thibaut Pinot
    #trek Vincenzo Nibali
    #arkea Nairo Quintana
    ...and honorable mention (still better than Schachmann on this terrain, on most days):
    #ef Sergio Higuita
    ...and #bora Grossschartner

    Almost all of these will be looking for the opportunity to bring something home, and for the majority of them, it´s the stage win that is realistic, and GC win possible bonus only if Schachmann collapses. Bora could play a good defensive game here by putting Grossschartner on the wheel of the attackers in the front group while using
    Konrad to pace Schachmann up the climb at a suitable speed for the latter. He is in a very good shape at the moment and may be able to limit losses and keep the #yellow.
    Quintana is the best of the climbers right now, but he is very far down in GC so decision could be, if Quintana gets away for the stage win, can Nibali or Higuita or Grossschartner follow him for the GC win?

    My best bet would be Higuita, but I still think Schachmann won´t be too far behind.
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    Re: Paris-Nice 2020
    « Reply #53 on: March 14, 2020, 21:53 »
    What? No round-up yet?
    I was to busy skiing this afternoon to watch the stage live and now, after watching it recorded, I guess the greatest stage race of the season deserves a proper discussion. First and forekomst, despite everything because they actually made a great race out of it, once again. Paris-Nice is now to Tour de France what the original version of the Lord of the rings film is to the extended bod set: contains all the same important elements and better because it is more compact. I don´t know if 3 week racing will ever fade from popularity, but it is ironic that ASO also has the better nails for the coffin (along with the Tour de Suisse organizers). 
    From cold rainshowers and crosswinds (and in this edition, cobbled climbs too!) of Paris basin to the plains of the Centre through the Rhone region to the Alpes-Maritimes: the GC winner of the Paris-Nice needs to be comfortable across a range of conditions that is otherwise only seen - in the Tour de France proper.
    Unlike the bigger brother, the Paris-Nice is sometimes contested by riders that are more classics riders than typical grand tour riders. This is actually a bit puzzling, given the similarities between the races. Maybe Alaphilippe is the archetypical rider that demonstranter this similarity, as he can flop equally after initially great performance in both of them. At least twice now in the Paris-Nice, although his TdF failure attracted loads more of the attention he obviously loves.  :P
    Today we got the expected in terms of stage win by Quintana, and to be fair, if he hadn´t crashed on stage 2 he´d probably won it all. I am flabbergasted as he seems to be the one and only rider I have seen so far that actually Improved with #arkea. If this actually happened (pinches arm) I think it is fair to ask questions concerning the quality of the management at #movistar. This year he´s riding like it is 2013 again (I noticed several people commented that). I will be more presise: since July 6th, 2013, when he attacked up the Col de Pailheres. The stage is more famous for Chris Froome monster attack up the final climb to Ax-3 Domaines - possibly the best he ever did - but Quintana can´t ever be Froome - he is most spectacular  when he attacks miles from home on a loooooooooooooooooong climb and just keeps going. That happened ever more seldom in his time with Movistar although a few that have fond memories of the Graubünden region cannot forget his attack out of Chur on the Arosa stage of the Tour de Suisse in 2017, that made us hope «old Quintana» was back. This year, he is closer than ever and «partiets like 2013» - but it is the wrong year :(
    The other spesialist climbers didn´t really impress that much, instead we get these quite young classics riders raining on their parade. The sun was shining, it was spring in the Alpes-Maritimes, the weather couldn´t be better for climbin Le Colmiane (come July, if it comes, the riders will be baking on this climb and adapting to hot weather  will be a major issue.) Who would have thought that #sunweb Tiesj Benoît should leave #trek Nibali, #ef Sergio Higuita, #groupama Thibaut Pinot and not to mention #ag2r Bardet behind on this climb? It wasn´t by luck either, he timed his final attack and distanced the rest except Nairito.
    Not to mention #bora #champde #yellow Schachmann, who seems to have a very similar skill set to Benoot. Yellow from day 1 to the finish on top of Colmiane. Stage win with a sprint from a small group on a stage best described as cobbled as it actually faeatured cobbles and short climbs.. Hanging on from there, and riding very well on selected stages? 

    Phenomenal ride! Chapeu! Put him on the list of possible GC candidates for the TdF 2021.

       
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