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2020 Classics CQ Game Redux
« on: July 23, 2020, 01:28 »
Back when this year appeared to be like any other, 33 of us entered the Spring Classics CQ Game.


We chose teams of 12 riders, (maximum total 2019 CQ score of 3000) to score points in 24 European 1.Pro and 1.WT races in the Spring.


But after 4 races, the world went mad, and there were no more races.  I declared Vladimir the winner, and have no intention of depriving him of that title.  But all the effort that we put into picking our teams yielded precious little sport, so let's have another go.


The goals of some riders, and the balance of skills that will garner points, have changed, so I will allow you to change up to 6 of your team, but the total budget (still based on year to 31/12/19 CQ scores) remains the same.  We will all have had the benefit (if it is a benefit) of seeing other people's selections, but deciding whether it is good to be guided by that remains your judgement.


Scores already gained (from Omloop, Kuurne-Brussels-Kuurne, Faun-Ardeche and Drome) are retained: ditching, or taking on, riders who scored in those races will not affect your score.  But of the remaining 17 races listed for that game, several have abandoned any thought of re-scheduling for this year (GP Industria & Artigianato, Nokere Koerse, GP Denain, Koksijde Classic, GP Indurain, Tro-Bro Léon, Eschborn Frankfurt and Dwars door Vlaanderen), and that leaves us with gaps in the spreadsheet, and the freedom to choose outside the Spring period.


So I will be replacing those 8 races with Il Lombardia, Bretagne- Ouest France, GP Quebec, GP Montreal, World Championships Road Race,   Milan-Torino, Paris-Tours and Dwars door het Hageland (ie, the WT one day races that were not at the right time of year, the WCRR, two of my favourite 1.Pro races and the one that seems to be the most spring classic-like).


If you don't submit any changes, I'll enter your team as it is anyway, so if you entered in February, you can't escape.  And if you didn't enter in February, I will allow a new entry, but you obviously don't get the points some people have already banked from early in the season, and also have a reduced budget (10% lower, 2700 2019 points) to make up for your selection not being at least half those you fancied the chances of 5 months ago (and as a punishment for your disloyalty to the game back then).


Teams to me by the start of Strade Bianche on 1 August by PM please,  either here or at Velorooms: as ever, just the name (no prices, no team names) and in CQ format (Surname Forename and watch out for how CQ treats Spanish Portuguese and Danish names, among others) if at all possible.


I'll need to do a bit of alteration to the spreadsheet, so I'll do that tomorrow and then get back here with a clearer formatted list of the races and anything else that I may have missed.  Until then, have a think about how that changed list of races, and objectives of the riders, might make you want to alter your team.  Here is the original spreadsheet: that will show you your original picks (and everyone else's) and gives (on the Price tab) a list of 2019 prices  and the CQ versions of names.
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    Re: 2020 Classics CQ Game Redux
    « Reply #1 on: July 23, 2020, 23:33 »
    So since I announced the redux game, two of the new list ( the Canadian races) have been cancelled.  So I will replace them with 2 more 1.Pro events (Eurometropole and Wallonie), but from here on, anything cancelled just means one event fewer here.


    So the races for the Redux Classics game are:

    Omloop

    Kuurne-Brussels-Kuurne

    Faun-Ardeche

     Drome 

    Those  have already been run, and your team points for those are locked in, regardless of what team changes you might make.


    1 Aug  Strade Bianche  (180 pts for winner, 108 2nd, 92 3rd, 5 for finishing)

    5 Aug  Milan Torino  (130, 78, 66: top 30 score)

    8 Aug Milan San Remo (280, 170, 145, 5 to finish)

    15 Aug Dwars door het Hageland  (as Milan-Torino)

    15 Aug   Lombardia (as Milan- San Remo)

    25 Aug  Bretagne Ouest France  (220, 132, 112, 5 to finish)

    12 Sept Eurometropole  (as Milan Torino)

    16 Sept GP de Wallonie  (as Milan Torino)

    27 Sept  World Championship RR (400, 240, 210, 10 to finish)

    30 Sept  Fleche Wallonne (as Ouest France)

    4 Oct Liege-Bastogne-Liege (as Milan San Remo)

    7 Oct Brabantse Pijl (as Milan Torino)

    10 Oct Amstel Gold  (as Ouest France)

    11 Oct Gent- Wevelgem  (as Ouest France)

    11 Oct Paris Tours   (as Milan Torino)

    14 Oct  Scheldeprijs   (as Milan Torino)

    18 Oct  Ronde van Vlaanderen  (as Milan San Remo)

    21 Oct  Dreidaagse De Panne (as Strade Bianche)

    25 Oct Paris-Roubaix  (as Milan San Remo)


     The high points yield of the WCRR considering the different profile of riders who might shine there compared to most of the list might make for some interesting selection decisions.


    I guess I need to start reading some of these statements on who intends doing what races.  Let me know if there are any questions, otherwise I will simply sit back and await your transfers in and out (or indeed, new entries).
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    Re: 2020 Classics CQ Game Redux
    « Reply #2 on: July 24, 2020, 17:51 »
    Cool Team JSG classics rides again
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    Re: 2020 Classics CQ Game Redux
    « Reply #3 on: July 26, 2020, 17:09 »

    I'll keep my starting squad
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    Re: 2020 Classics CQ Game Redux
    « Reply #4 on: July 31, 2020, 18:13 »
    A few more hours this evening, and a few tomorrow morning, if you want to make any alterations to the team you sent in in February, or if you want to come in as a new entry.


    Only three managers have made any alterations so far, including me.  Time is running short for the rest of you.
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    Re: 2020 Classics CQ Game Redux
    « Reply #5 on: August 01, 2020, 17:17 »
    No-one came in as a new, penalised, entry, and only 4 teams made any changes:

    Amis Velo
    Out: SAGAN Peter
    VAN DER HOORN Taco


    In:VAN POPPEL Danny
    VAN DER POEL Mathieu

    Bminchow
    Out: ANDERSEN Søren Kragh
    JUNGELS Bob
    THEUNS Edward
    MCLAY Daniel
    EDMONDSON Alexander


    In:VAN DER POEL Mathieu
    DILLIER Silvan
    BATTAGLIN Enrico
    COVI Alessandro
    KANTER Max


    Search
    Out:DE BACKER Bert
    DEVENYNS Dries
    FELLINE Fabio
    MOSCON Gianni
    VAN AERT Wout

    In: DE BIE Sean
    KWIATKOWSKI Michal
    MODOLO Sacha
    SCHACHMANN Maximilian
    SIMMONS Quinn


    And my own switches
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    Out:DILLIER Silvan
    MOSCON Gianni
    KÄMNA Lennard


    In: KREUZIGER Roman
    KELDERMAN Wilco
    FROOME Chris



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    Re: 2020 Classics CQ Game Redux
    « Reply #6 on: August 01, 2020, 23:15 »
    Race 5  Strade Bianche

    A popular pick as a winner, and the game already has very nearly as many points earned in August as in the spring.
    VAN AERT Wout   1st, 180pts   14 teams
    SCHACHMANN Maximilian   3rd, 92pts for Search
    BETTIOL Alberto   4th, 78   4 teams
    STYBAR Zdenek   6th, 62   8
    ROSA Diego   10th, 36   1
    KWIATKOWSKI Michal    12th, 27   6
    VAN DER POEL Mathieu   15th,  20   9
    and four more finishers for 5 points each.


    1=   Comodoro, Josedin   258 (Van Aert and Bettiol) (65 Green points each)
    3=   Otoxiep87, RoteLaterne   247 (Van Aert, Stybar and a 5)  (30)
    5   Zaka_Fan   242  (Van Aert, Stybar)  (15)
    6   Armchair   207 (Van Aert, Kwiatkowski)  (10)
    7   SemirS   205 (Van Aert, Van der Poel and a 5)  (5)
    8   Bminchow   200 (Van Aert, Van der Poel) (3)
    9   Tobydawq   185 (Van Aert and a 5) (2)
    10=   DJSprtsch, Madrazo, Salvarani, Scrool07, Shalgo   180 (0.2)
    15   BlackBandit222   140
    16   Search   119
    17   Leadbelly   87
    18   Northerner   78
    19=   Googolplex, Laarsland, LosBrolin   62
    22   Joelsim   56
    23=   Del1962, Hakkie2   32
    25=   Glomser, NorthAmericanScum   27
    27=   AmisVelo, Blues_in_the_Bottle, JustSomeGuy, MellowVelo, Triley36   20
    32   Vladimir   5
    33   Kazistuta   0
       CollectiveWisdom   242

    Green Point standings
    Joint 3rd today lifts Otoxiep from 4th to top of this ranking
    1   Otoxiep87   110
    2   Googolplex   97.97
    3   JustSomeGuy   92.56
    4   Vladimir   85
    5   Josedin   80
    6   Comodoro   65
    7   Hakkie2   62.56
    8   Salvarani   54.79
    8   Shalgo   54.79
    10   Laarsland   54.59

    Standings

    Today's race scored almost as many as the 4 earlier ones, therefore there is only a passing similarity between this and the pre-lockdown standings.  The only real consistency (apart from BitB in last) is the virtual lead of the Collective Wisdom team.  The top three were 8th, 9th and 17th before this race, but Otoxiep's jump is beaten by Rote Laterne and Comodoro, each moving up 18 spots.

    1   Josedin   415 
    2   Zaka_Fan   395
    3   Otoxiep87   388
    4   Bminchow   374
    5=   Madrazo   359
    5=   RoteLaterne   359
    7   Armchair   355
    8   Salvarani   327
    9   Tobydawq   325
    10   DJSprtsch   310
    11   Shalgo   305
    12   Search   304
    13   Comodoro   288
    14   SemirS   243
    15   Googolplex   240
    16   Leadbelly   235
    17   Northerner   224
    18   Vladimir   221
    19   Scrool07   218
    20   LosBrolin   215
    21   Glomser   198
    22   AmisVelo   185
    23   BlackBandit222   176
    24   Del1962   174
    25   Laarsland   162
    26   MellowVelo   161
    27   Kazistuta   147
    28   JustSomeGuy   141
    29   Hakkie2   129
    30   Joelsim   103
    31   Triley36   65
    32   NorthAmericanScum   53
    33   Blues_in_the_Bottle   35
       CollectiveWisdom   469


    1   Josedin   415
    2   Zaka_Fan   395
    3   Otoxiep87   388
    4   Bminchow   374
    5   Madrazo   359
    5   RoteLaterne   359
    7   Armchair   355
    8   Salvarani   327
    9   Tobydawq   325
    10   DJSprtsch   310
    11   Shalgo   305
    12   Search   304
    13   Comodoro   288
    14   SemirS   243
    15   Googolplex   240
    16   Leadbelly   235
    17   Northerner   224
    18   Vladimir   221
    19   Scrool07   218
    20   LosBrolin   215
    21   Glomser   198
    22   AmisVelo   185
    23   BlackBandit222   176
    24   Del1962   174
    25   Laarsland   162
    26   MellowVelo   161
    27   Kazistuta   147
    28   JustSomeGuy   141
    29   Hakkie2   129
    30   Joelsim   103
    31   Triley36   65
    32   NorthAmericanScum   53
    33   Blues_in_the_Bottle   35
       CollectiveWisdom   469

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    Re: 2020 Classics CQ Game Redux
    « Reply #7 on: August 05, 2020, 19:26 »
    Maybe there is something calming in doing this, takes my mind of what we all just saw in Poland.  Hope it doesn't feel disrespectful or trite.

    Race 6  Milan-Torino but not the Milano-Torino we normally see.

    VAN AERT Wout   3rd, 66pts   14 teams
    Van Poppel Danny   5th, 52pts   5 teams
    BOUHANNI Nacer   6th, 46pts    8 teams
    plus 3 others in the top 15, scoring in the teens, and 2 five point, top 30, finishers.

    1   DJSprtsch   141 (Van Aert, Van Poppel, Naesen (18) Zabel (5))  (80 green points)
    2   AmisVelo   114 (Van Poppel, Bouhanni, Van der Poel (16))  (50)
    3=   Armchair, Comodoro   112 (Van Aert, Bouhanni) (30 each)
    5   Northerner   98 (Van Poppel, Bouhanni) (15)
    6   SemirS   87 (10)
    7   Bminchow   82 (5)
    8   Salvarani   78 (3)
    9=   Josedin, Madrazo, Otoxiep87, RoteLaterne, Scrool07, Shalgo, Tobydawq, Zaka_Fan   66  (0.38 each)
    17   Triley36   62
    18=   Glomser, NorthAmericanScum   52
    20   Laarsland   51
    21=   Del1962, LosBrolin   46
    23=   Blues_in_the_Bottle,    Joelsim, JustSomeGuy, Leadbelly, MellowVelo   16
    28=   BlackBandit222, Googolplex, Hakkie2, Kazistuta, Search, Vladimir   0
       CollectiveWisdom   112

    Green points
    Comodoro up from 6th to 3rd, DJS into the top ten.

    1   Otoxiep87   110.38
    2   Googolplex   97.97
    3   Comodoro   95
    4   JustSomeGuy   92.56
    5   Vladimir   85
    6   Josedin   80.38
    7   DJSprtsch   80.2
    8   Hakkie2   62.56
    9   Salvarani   57.79
    10   Shalgo   55.17


    Standings

    Josedin holds onto the lead, while Armchair jumps 5 places to 2nd.  DJSprtsch moves up from 10th to 6th as the top scorer today, and Comodoro just nudges into the top ten, while Amis Velo has a 6 place move to be jumper of the day.

    1   Josedin   481
    2   Armchair   467
    3   Zaka_Fan   461
    4   Bminchow   456
    5   Otoxiep87   454
    6   DJSprtsch   451
    7   Madrazo   425
    7   RoteLaterne   425
    9   Salvarani   405
    10   Comodoro   400
    11   Tobydawq   391
    12   Shalgo   371
    13   SemirS   330
    14   Northerner   322
    15   Search   304
    16   AmisVelo   299
    17   Scrool07   284
    18   LosBrolin   261
    19   Leadbelly   251
    20   Glomser   250
    21   Googolplex   240
    22   Vladimir   221
    23   Del1962   220
    24   Laarsland   213
    25   MellowVelo   177
    26   BlackBandit222   176
    27   JustSomeGuy   157
    28   Kazistuta   147
    29   Hakkie2   129
    30   Triley36   127
    31   Joelsim   119
    32   NorthAmericanScum   105
    33   Blues_in_the_Bottle   51
       CollectiveWisdom   581


    Spreadsheet at Google Drive 

    Reconvene here after Milan-San Remo
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