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Re: The 2023 World Tour Race
« Reply #30 on: May 17, 2022, 18:57 »
the topic came up on cn, and as it was new to me: the UCI WT "model contract" (page 226ff of the UCI road racing rules) includes the phrase

"The engagement shall be subject to the registration of the team as a UCI WorldTeam with the UCI. Should such registration not be obtained, the Rider may terminate the present contract without notice or compensation."

So it doesn't need any special clause. If a team loses WT status, all riders are free to leave.

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    Re: The 2023 World Tour Race
    « Reply #32 on: June 06, 2022, 19:08 »
    Israel's 'investment' in Froome and Total's in Sagan looking ever more like hopeless folly then
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    Re: The 2023 World Tour Race
    « Reply #33 on: June 06, 2022, 19:19 »
    True, Sagan isn't bringing many points to the table, but Total are in decent shape.

    Not as regards this competition, which was always was going to be a extremely tall order, but in the auto-wildcard one (switch to the second picture in Raul's tweet) where they are currently second with a 1000 buffer over the third place team.

    Plus they get to ride Specialized and it's they who are paying the bulk of Sagan's wages, not the team (as far as I'm aware).
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    Re: The 2023 World Tour Race
    « Reply #34 on: June 20, 2022, 22:23 »
    .....and look how tight it is now, just two weeks later.

    https://twitter.com/raulbanqueri/status/1538560146028257281



    BikeExchange still in the WT, but only by 0.33 points. Lotto are breathing right down their necks.

    Israel and EF have had a good fortnight too.
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    Re: The 2023 World Tour Race
    « Reply #35 on: July 21, 2022, 11:22 »
    We'll have an update after the Tour, not that too many points have been snapped up by the teams in real danger.

    In the mean time though....

    https://twitter.com/WielerFlits/status/1550029234172739584

    Ewan says he definitely plans to stay in the event of relegation. I'm sure De Lie said the same a month or two back when he extended.
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    Re: The 2023 World Tour Race
    « Reply #36 on: July 26, 2022, 08:11 »
    https://twitter.com/raulbanqueri/status/1551503055069257728



    You can see since the last update that Lotto have scored virtually nothing. Not a great month for them. Movistar also are floating nearer to danger.

    Note this doesn't include the points from yesterday in Spain where BikeExchange had an important result.
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    Re: The 2023 World Tour Race
    « Reply #37 on: August 10, 2022, 19:01 »
    Lotto are back on track after a poor July.

    https://twitter.com/raulbanqueri/status/1556657256669843457

    This doesn't include today's points (~200 for Lotto).

    Never mind AG2R, Movistar will be wearing brown shorts of a different kind if this continues. They really need a good Vuelta.
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    Re: The 2023 World Tour Race
    « Reply #38 on: August 17, 2022, 21:23 »
     The worst thing about Quintana's Tour DQF today is that his loss of points will send Arkea deep into the relegation zone....
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    Re: The 2023 World Tour Race
    « Reply #39 on: August 17, 2022, 22:14 »
    Not quite into the relegation zone as they still have a ~900 point buffer over Lotto. However it does mean they are back in the mix and while they were firing on all cylinders earlier in the year, the results have dried up a bit more recently. Can the team afford to pull Quintana from the Vuelta now?

    https://twitter.com/raulbanqueri/status/1559906741328003072
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    Re: The 2023 World Tour Race
    « Reply #40 on: September 02, 2022, 10:14 »
    https://twitter.com/WielerFlits/status/1565609488148795392

    Coquard to quit the Vuelta and chase points elsewhere.

    He'll need permission from the organizers of course if he wants to race whilst the GT is still in progress, but since Cofidis sponsors the race....

    There has been an increase in the level of moaning about the whole promotion/relegation thing recently from both inside and outside the sport, but they just got to get on with it imo.
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    Re: The 2023 World Tour Race
    « Reply #41 on: September 02, 2022, 10:47 »
    I read the interview as well, but not 100% sure Cimo got it right. There's only Tour du Doobs coming up anyway, which is likely to be too hard for Coquard. Maybe it's more about preparing (or being still fresh) for some late season races - and this happens every year, relegation battle or not.
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    Re: The 2023 World Tour Race
    « Reply #42 on: September 05, 2022, 09:57 »
    https://twitter.com/cyclecollective/status/1566515723576709120

    Powless not sure of riding the Worlds as, you guessed it, he might need to chase points elsewhere. At least though he says it is his decision to make, but that's not a nice position to be put in.

    He's not the only one that will be missing. Walscheid and presumably other Cofidis riders won't be there, Movistar are following suit (no Aranburu or Valverde). Surely others will suffer the same fate.
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    Re: The 2023 World Tour Race
    « Reply #43 on: September 05, 2022, 10:12 »
    not that it's likely to make much of a difference for the result, but #ef Uran also said that he is not allowed to go
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    Re: The 2023 World Tour Race
    « Reply #44 on: September 09, 2022, 12:44 »
    https://twitter.com/raulbanqueri/status/1568154013970927616

    Not all of Serrano's points will count as he wasn't in Movistar's top-ten scoring riders beforehand, but what he does score combined with the haul that Mas (barring any disasters) will gain at the Vuelta will surely be enough to guarantee safety.

    Next in line will therefore be BikeExchange. They're ~450 points ahead of Lotto currently. They really need Matthews to perform in Canada.
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    Re: The 2023 World Tour Race
    « Reply #45 on: September 09, 2022, 18:58 »
    https://twitter.com/Cyclingnewsfeed/status/1568239226742874114

    No surprise you think, but a little bit later...

    https://twitter.com/UCI_media/status/1568293861683855360

    ....the UCI says nothing has changed and promotion/relegation goes ahead as planned.
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    Re: The 2023 World Tour Race
    « Reply #46 on: September 12, 2022, 19:07 »
    :dizzy

    https://twitter.com/inrng/status/1569379715307167745

    To avoid the fight for points and the risk of relegation now and in the years ahead, Adams wants 20 WorldTour teams for 2023-2025 and a perpetual system that avoids relegation forever. [...]

    “What are they going to do to us if we don’t agree with them [ASO]? Tell us we can't participate in their race. Really? Just do it once and I'll go and start a competing Tour de France.

    “We’ve all seen what’s happening with LIV golf, right? I'll make a competing Tour de France. I'll get all the World Tour teams in my Tour de France, I'll make the €100 million a year profit.”
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    Re: The 2023 World Tour Race
    « Reply #47 on: September 12, 2022, 19:59 »
    Yeah, well. :D

    Let's state facts. They're not one of the best 18 teams in the world by various standards. Compare and contrast with Intermarche say, who have a much smaller budget, but seem to get a lot more out of their riders. Not only that, they have performed so badly this year that they have fallen outside the safety net that the UCI provided with the auto-wildcards.

    Having said that though, normally ASO would still have them as one of the regular wildcards, but if Adams keeps rattling his sabres at them.....

    I thought this was interesting too.

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    ...and even suspects one of his own riders is underperforming because they will move to a rival team in 2023

    That's a wide field. :P
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